[Mastrogiacomo]

Between Smith and Wesson's pride and job vs Sig 200ST -- which is the better gun for maintance, accuracy, gentle recoil and light trigger pull?

[ebenw]

P 220ST is heavy, so I'll suppose you meant the sig P 220 (standard).

If I were you, I'd go with the better, more proven pistol. I'm sure S&W stands behind their product 100% (if not their principals), but I'd get the sig p 220.

It's the /smart/ choice.

Lemme know what your field test shows.

[Shmackey]

You're sure not going to get a light trigger pull with that first DA shot from the Sig.

[jdmb03]

In my opinion, the 220ST is a more useful weapon. I would buy a Sig auto over a Smith auto anyday.

[MJRW]

ebenw,

He said "lighter trigger pull" not lighter gun.

Mastro,

They are wildly different guns. You are talking single action with grip and thumb safety vs a double action. And then there are all sorts of stylistic differences. I think Sig makes a better gun. I think Sig makes some of the finest handguns out there even when placed among fine handguns. I don't like Smith semi-autos. Basic comparison from my inept opinion:

Maintenance - Sig. Easier to take down, no tuning of components.

Accuracy - Chances are both of these will be more accurate than yourself since you asked this question.

Gentle recoil - Tough one. They are both pretty mild for .45. I would call this a tie.

Light trigger pull - I'm not certain this is the question you want to ask. I'll take a smooth double action trigger pull over a gritty single action trigger pull any day of the week. The double action trigger of the Sig will be significantly heavier than the SW1911. Single action may be very similar.

I would go with the Sig here based on the criteria you put forth.

[Mastrogiacomo]

I'm really not a fan of Smith and Wesson to be honest, but I was curious about this gun because of all the hype it's received in my state. The 1911 is a beautiful gun to look at but being a S&W gives me some reservations about it. Has anyone actually fired one? I know the 220ST is fantastic -- it might be my next gun but I'd like to know something about in the difficulty of the trigger pull. I've never handled a Sig.

[ebenw]

you're right. I own a sig 220 and I should know better than to mistake light trigger for light gun... silly me.:rolleyes:

Seriousely, I agree, they are vastly different guns. The standard P 220 is around 27 oz dry.. the ST is more than a couple oz heavier. I'll be honest and say that I don't know if this new Smith&Wesson 1911 is taking after the generation of 1911'ish DA/SA guns, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I will say this: Out of the box, my sig 220 had a very smooth DA pull, and an astonishingly crisp SA pull.

If the S&W falls into the traditional 1911 category, we're talking apples and oranges here.

Mastro,

The first pull on a sig 220 is rather strong (@ 10 lbs) the SA is down around 4 lbs. This is a surmountable transition, however, with practice. The sig 220 was made very snag-free and is as understated as they get. --that is, unless it's shiny stainless steel. If you get a 220, I guarantee, you will like it.

[Mastrogiacomo]

According to their webpage, the SW1911 is a single action gun -- something else I've never handled before....

[10-Ring]

Of the 2, the 1911 clone would be more tunable to what you want.
As for the most mild to shoot, it woul depend on the round your shooting & how sensitive you are to recoil. The 45 acp is a low pressure round to begin with and should be relatively mild to shoot to begin with ;)
Good luck on your quest ;)

[ebenw]

to my edited previous post.

[tgt40]

Is there a Sig 220st in 9mm?

[Muddflap]

All 220ST's are .45.

[rduckwor]

SIG. S&W 1911's had some issues with breech face machining. Maybe they have fixed them/maybe not. Anyway, it stamped the brass face with a vertical "step" on some pistols.

RMD

[Tank45]

I would go with the S&W. SIGs are nice combat guns, but nothing feels like a 4 pound trigger on a single action 1911. I own both, so I'm not going to knock either. I don't think you would have to worry much about tuning a S&W 1911 because one of the main picky parts is different than the original. I'm pretty sure they use an external extractor. Personally I would get a Colt series 70 or a Springfield Loaded or up model. To me the felt recoil of a 1911 is less than any other 45. HK USP, Glock 21, XD 45, Sig 220, the 1911 beats them all. And if the S&W has any problems I'm sure they would make it right. They're a great company to deal with.

[9mmepiphany]

finally a comparision where i currently own both guns. of the questions you have asked:

1. maintence - the 220ST is easier to field strip and clean. the SW is easier to detail strip and change out parts
2. accuracy - both of mine are equally accurate
3. gentle recoil - the 220ST's greater mass seems to soak up recoil better, but the SW isn't objectionable either
4. lighter trigger weight - the SW being a SA definately has the lighter initial trigger up. if compared to the 220ST's SA pull, about the same. you can tune the Sig's DA trigger and also learn to manage it better, but you'll never be able to match the shorter reset of the 1911 design.

some questions you didn't ask, but should consider:
1. being a SA. the SW has a thumb safety which needs to be swept off before you fire...not any harder to master than the Sig's DA trigger
2. the SW is thinner and will be more comfortable to carry...many feel it also points better
3. the 220ST is a more rugged design and is more tolerent of dirt and neglect

i think everyone should own at least one of each...i have a folded slide 220 and 2 STs, i also have the SW and 2 Colts with a Dan Wesson on the list for this year

[MT GUNNY]

rduckwor Quote;
Posts: 52 "SIG. S&W 1911's had some issues with breech face machining. Maybe they have fixed them/maybe not. Anyway, it stamped the brass face with a vertical "step" on some pistols".

Mearly Internal Cosmetics!

[MK11]

Any halfway decent range should have a 1911 and some kind of Sig P-series to rent, even if it's not specifically the S&W or the P220ST. Give them a try, these really are too different for anyone else to tell you what to get.

With that said, I've got a first gen Kimber target model and a P2220ST. I like shooting the Kimber more than anything else I own but the Sig stays loaded in the nightstand.

[magnumman44]

Just bought a SW1911 and it was as smooth as butter right outta the box. Never shot or handled a Sig, but my Dad has always wanted one.

[Kind of Blued]

I own a SW1911 and previously owned a P226 in .40, so that's... close.

They're both great guns, you just have to figure out if you like a cocked & locked SAO or a DA/SA gun. I eventually decided that I like having a consistent trigger pull as well as deciding to consolidate to 9mm & .45 for autos, so I sold the Sig.

The 1911 is a lot more concealable and comfortable (than the 226), even with a 5" barrel.

The 1911 will probably have the better trigger pull, but all of those other categories are pretty much ties.

Here's mine, with some Spalted Afzelia Xylay grips.

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=88726&d=1228459793

[chauncey]

how 'bout a sig220 SAO? that'll really screw up the discussion!

[Zak Smith]

I am locking this because the thread is 6 years old and there was no reason to resurrect it.