Website explaining proper rifle and shotgun stance for women?


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the naked prophet
February 22, 2007, 04:22 PM
My wife is having a hard time with marks(wo?)manship, and apparently although I can teach ceramic engineering, I can't teach shooting. At least not to my wife. How much of that is me not being a good teacher, and how much is her being stubborn as a mule, I'll not speculate. Point is, she likes doing things on her own.

Her pistol shooting improved dramatically after she found pax's site www.corneredcat.com (she wasn't interested when I showed it to her, but it was really cool when she found it... did I mention that she's very independent?) which explains (from a woman's perspective) how a gun should fit your hand, shooting stance, trigger control, etc. There's much more on there, but how to shoot is what we're interested in at the moment.

Does anybody have links to a website that explains how to shoot a rifle and shotgun? I can do it, I just can't explain it. Her pistol shooting is to the point where she just needs practice (four inch groups at 7 yards with basically all pistols) but her rifle groups are significantly larger.

Specifically, there seems to be much contention as to the proper location of the stock on the shoulder, and where to put the cheek on the stock. I got a Daisy Red Ryder when I was a kid, and I spent countless thousands of BBs shooting at blackbirds in the back yard through the bathroom window. Shouldering a rifle or shotgun is as natural to me as walking, and I couldn't explain that any more than I could explain how to walk.

I should mention that she's 4'10" and has disproportionately short arms. Her rifles include a Marlin model 60 (which is just so long that she can't hardly hold it up with her short arms, so she generally uses her other rifle) and a Bushmaster M4gery (with the stock completely collapsed, it fits her perfectly). She likes the sights on the Bushmaster better (the marlin has the V-notch and post, the bushmaster has the standard M16 style aperture and post). Her shotgun is a Mossberg 500 youth 20 gauge with a ridiculously short wooden stock.

Anything would be appreciated.

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Mannlicher
February 22, 2007, 05:14 PM
what works for the Gander, also works for the Goose. There is no gender difference when it comes to shooting.

Detritus
February 22, 2007, 05:59 PM
There is no gender difference when it comes to shooting.


when it comes to the use of longarms by a woman who is "well endowed" my wife will disagree with you on that...

Along with all the physical traits that make a difference regardless of gender, breastsize changes how a rifle or shotgun fits. as a case in point my wife is 5'9" and large chested, to comfortably shoot an AR she has to have the stock all the way in or MAYBE out to the first notch.

As to the OP

MY advice, first make sure ALL of your wife's guns are comfortably fitted to her (chop the marlin so it's not so unwieldy ;) ) because unless she can hold the dern thing up where it belongs, the rest is moot. after that there are numerous resources out there and i'm sure many of them are on-line now, US military training manuals on marksmanship (army/navy/Marines have to use a system/technique that is adaptable enough to be used by any who walk off the street), the numerous "regular" books on the subject many if not most of which are illistrated.
after a good browse of the various techniques and her trying them to see what works for HER, REPETITION to build a muscle memory (and strength) is pretty much key, the fact that you went through YOUR period of building that muscle memory as a kid is the reason that, years later, you can no longer describe HOW to do it.

Final note
My wife is having a hard time with marks(wo?)manship, and apparently although I can teach ceramic engineering, I can't teach shooting. At least not to my wife.
pretty much no one can teach their spouse to shoot, there are exceptions but it's rare. it is always hard to teach someone a skill, especially one like shooting/marksmanship that can be physically tiring to practice and slow to produce visible(tangible) rewards, when that person Knows for a fact that you make mistakes.
So in truth it is best to leave instruction of a spouse to someone else. in fact i personally would suggest that you both take a class together. that way you both learn something, may not be the same thing but it'll likely be rewarding

maybe PAX will swing by and give a more direct answer (ie sites to visit)

cigolon
February 22, 2007, 07:11 PM
My fiance is well endowed in the 38DD sort of way. I can't take credit for teaching her to shoot or getting her into guns, but she shoulders them things the same way I do. The only habit i've got to break her of is she tucks her neck slightly instead of shrugging her shoulders all the way up to level the gun. perhaps the guns we've got just happen to fit her, but she's never had a problem.

griz
February 23, 2007, 08:51 AM
There may be no difference in theroretical technique, but there are huge differences in the way the gun fits the shooter. I have an 1897 shotgun that I use for SASS shooting, and have shortened the stock as much as I can without having the bolt tag my nose when I operate it. When my GF shoots it, she has a hard time reaching far enough forward to slide the fore end into battery after she pumps it. I'm no better than you when it comes to teaching shooting, but I know that fit is very important. Hopefully someone will come along and point us in the right direction.

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