Why no AKs that use AR mags?


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MAKster
February 23, 2007, 02:15 PM
I've always been interested in getting an AK-style rifle in 5.56, but the lack of standardized magazines is a turnoff. Is there any reason why no one is selling a 5.56 AK that uses standard AR-15 mags. If it was U.S. parts compliant I can see no legal reason. Since 5.56 AKs are already available it seems that the modifications needed would be minimal. I think an AK using AR mag would be very popular.

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El Tejon
February 23, 2007, 02:24 PM
You mean like an FNC?

Oh, btw, just how interested are you?:D I have to have a couple that were only shot on Sundays by little old ladies.:evil:

doubleg
February 23, 2007, 02:40 PM
Because the designs and magazine catches are drastically different.

JesseL
February 23, 2007, 02:51 PM
I believe that there's an adapter for Galils that allows them to use AR magazines and that it has been made to work with some .223 Saiga's as well.

Ah, here it is (http://www.vulcanarmament.com/cgistore/store.cgi?page=/new/product.html&setup=1&ida=44&idp=40&his=0|40&cart_id=69580.556).

Frog48
February 23, 2007, 02:59 PM
Kinda off topic, but...

Whats the attraction to AK's in .223/5.56? Or on the same note, AR's in 7.62x39? I dont get it.

But then again, its your money, not mine... so buy whatever you want.

JesseL
February 23, 2007, 03:11 PM
Grant48:

There are lots of reasons. Ammo availability and compatibility, individual preferences regarding ballistics, recoil sensitivity, perception of reliability, ergonomics, hunting regulations, and other factors can all play a factor in why someone wouldn't be satisfied with an AK in 7.62x39 or an AR in .223/5.56.

Correia
February 23, 2007, 03:33 PM
Whats the attraction to AK's in .223/5.56?

Because I've got a .223 AK, that has virtually no recoil, shoots flat, takes Bulgarian waffle mags (about $30 each and readily available), has tons of loads to choose from, but is still reliable with the cheapest steel cased .223 known to man, and shoots 2 MOA or better.

Uhm... That about covers it. :)

taliv
February 23, 2007, 03:53 PM
i'm also asking strictly out of curiosity but this is a bizarre statement

Because I've got a .223 AK, that has virtually no recoil, shoots flat, takes Bulgarian waffle mags (about $30 each and readily available), has tons of loads to choose from, but is still reliable with the cheapest steel cased .223 known to man, and shoots 2 MOA or better.

ARs have virtually no recoil, shoot flat (same cartridge, duh), take AR mags which you can get with the magpul gadgets for $10 or so, and is still reliable, and often shoots 1 MOA or better.

is it just me or are you trying to turn your AK into an AR? i'm confused

JesseL
February 23, 2007, 04:01 PM
taliv:

Except that ARs often have trouble with cheap Wolf ammo and the like, don't run as reliably as AKs, have magazines that are much less durable than AKs, and cost at least 50% more than comparable AKs.

Don't get me wrong. I have a 7.62x39 AK and a 5.56 AR, but I can totally understand why someone would desire a combination of what they consider the best features of each.

Correia
February 23, 2007, 04:09 PM
taliv, I own ARs, I own AKs, heck I own a gunstore. I love all guns equally. :)

Why is having a low recoil, flat shooting weapon trying to turn my AK into an AR? Maybe I just like .223 better?

My current favorite AR is 10.5" and suppressed, so am I trying to turn it into a Krinkov?

I've got a .308 AK that shoots 2 MOA also? Am I trying to make it into an M14?

Why on the internet, is it always this bizzaro one way or the other? Why if you love 1911s do you have to hate Glocks? Why if you love an AR, do you have to hate AKs?

Prince Yamato
February 23, 2007, 05:43 PM
ARs have virtually no recoil, shoot flat (same cartridge, duh), take AR mags which you can get with the magpul gadgets for $10 or so, and is still reliable, and often shoots 1 MOA or better.

Yes, but can the AR be had for under $400?

Glock22
February 23, 2007, 06:14 PM
Corriea makes a lot of sense and more people should listen to it. Why do you have to hate one type of gun because you like another? It dosen't make any sense.

R.W.Dale
February 23, 2007, 06:23 PM
I have not heard of an AK that takes AR mags but there is an AR15 lower that takes AK47 mags

http://www.ar47.com/

2TransAms
February 23, 2007, 06:25 PM
Simply put, some folks prefer the AK platform but they also prefer the 5.56 round for whatever reason. Well I guess Correia said that already, only in more words.

Dang. $165 for that adaptor!:eek: :uhoh: :eek: It's about as big a a jungle clip, which I can get for 5 bucks. Someone's making money there.

Number 6
February 23, 2007, 09:24 PM
Dang. $165 for that adaptor! It's about as big a a jungle clip, which I can get for 5 bucks. Someone's making money there.

Here is one for about half the price, from a company that has a much better reputation.

http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-bin/store/agora.cgi/agora.cgi?cart_id=4623784.19784*Pz3bj6&p_id=02135&xm=on&ppinc=big

Correia
February 23, 2007, 09:25 PM
Well I guess Correia said that already, only in more words.

I do tend to babble. :)

DMK
February 23, 2007, 10:35 PM
Why on the internet, is it always this bizzaro one way or the other? Why if you love 1911s do you have to hate Glocks? Why if you love an AR, do you have to hate AKs?Amen!

I adopt all guns and love them all like they were my own children. ;)

A reasonably priced AK (that rules out the FNC and Galil!) that used AR mags would be way cool.

El Tejon
February 23, 2007, 10:49 PM
Correia makes absolutely no sense. The best kind of weapon are the kind that I have for sale.:D

In this case the poster is looking for an AK that takes M16 mags, thus describing the FNC (that I just happen to have a couple for sale) to a T. Therefore, the best weapon is the FNC.:cool:

Prince Yamato
February 24, 2007, 12:29 AM
Hmmm... just curious then... you know how .223 AKs can take AK-74 mags, but not loaded fully... could you get one of these adapters, and use .223 AR mags in your AK-74? I'm speaking of the 5.45x39 variety of course.

Kor
February 24, 2007, 01:10 AM
...I'm thinking NOT. 5.45X39 is a much more tapered case, with a larger case head, than .223/5.56X45mm. Seems to me the rounds wouldn't stack right in an AR magazine.

That said, Alexander Arms made a 5.45 AR upper(".204 Genghis" IIRC) - but I don't know what they did as far as magazines for the thing...

Prince Yamato
February 24, 2007, 01:51 AM
You know what, I think I'll head to my local gunshop and buy an AR mag tomorrow and see if they fit. I'm thinking that they probably will FIT, because they are the same diameter. The length may actually be a moot point, because the bullets are only 6mm different in size. I don't know how many bullets can be stacked in the mag. I'm guessing probably the same or less amount, given the fact that the bullets are diametrically matched. Perhaps using a 30 round "curved" AR mag?

Curiosity kills me though, are these adapters functional only in Galil receivers or can they be used in ANY AK 5.45 (x39 or x45) receiver?

Glockfan.45
February 24, 2007, 01:59 AM
I own ARs, AKs, Glocks, and 1911s I like them all. But I have to agree that I think .223 AKs are just plain silly. But hey its your money if thats what you want get it.

Because I've got a .223 AK, that has virtually no recoil, shoots flat, takes Bulgarian waffle mags (about $30 each and readily available), has tons of loads to choose from, but is still reliable with the cheapest steel cased .223 known to man, and shoots 2 MOA or better.


I have a .223 AR that has no recoil, shoots flat, takes USGI mags (about $15 dollars each and readily available) has the same loads to choose from, will digest Wolf if it has to, and shoots 1 MOA or better ;) .

Glockfan.45
February 24, 2007, 02:01 AM
You know what, I think I'll head to my local gunshop and buy an AR mag tomorrow and see if they fit. I'm thinking that they probably will FIT, because they are the same diameter. The length may actually be a moot point, because the bullets are only 6mm different in size. I don't know how many bullets can be stacked in the mag. I'm guessing probably the same or less amount, given the fact that the bullets are diametrically matched. Perhaps using a 30 round "curved" AR mag?

Curiosity kills me though, are these adapters functional only in Galil receivers or can they be used in ANY AK 5.45 (x39 or x45) receiver?

They dont :o ...................ask me how I know.

Prince Yamato
February 24, 2007, 02:03 AM
Glockfan,

thank you for saving this poor college student some money :D

I'm glad to find that I'm not the only one who wonders things like this though.

Glockfan.45
February 24, 2007, 02:05 AM
Yamato I should have let you buy it so you could send that worthless AR mag to me when it didnt work :D . I could always use a few more.

RevolvingCylinder
February 24, 2007, 02:30 AM
No. The question is "Why won't anyone make an AR lower that accepts AK magazines?" Because I want one.:(

R.W.Dale
February 24, 2007, 09:09 AM
No. The question is "Why won't anyone make an AR lower that accepts AK magazines?" Because I want one.



Posted by ME earlier in the thread


I have not heard of an AK that takes AR mags but there is an AR15 lower that takes AK47 mags

http://www.ar47.com/

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 24, 2007, 09:26 AM
The FNC doesn't look like an AK though. I don't know about the OP, but to me, the look of a weapon is part of the appeal. I'm just guessin here but, maybe he wants an AK, as in an AK that actually looks like an AK, but accepts AR mags.

El Tejon
February 24, 2007, 09:34 AM
taurus, I used to sell guns, I know that it's all about the looks: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=236885

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