The Mexican Wedding


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doubleg
February 24, 2007, 10:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvoABe8sBzk&NR

Now thats what I call a wedding.

Dunno where there all gunna land though... :uhoh:

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Dorryn
February 24, 2007, 10:35 AM
It kind of looked like people were getting flagged left and right when the shooters'arms got tired from holding their pistols in the air.... Might be a bummer of a wedding to shoot a bridesmaid. ;)

Sheldon J
February 24, 2007, 11:44 AM
Just what is the purpose of that? Firecrackers would be a whole heap cheaper and safer if their only goal was to make noise. Note that at the last the camera guy was calling the other one chicken.

grimjaw
February 24, 2007, 12:38 PM
The happy union of the Darwin and Stupid families.

If they weren't shooting blanks then it was extremely irresponsible. No way to avoid muzzle-sweeping the crowd in that bunch, and hearing or eye protection nonexistent.

jm

Pilgrim
February 24, 2007, 12:41 PM
That's a lot of guns for a country where guns are supposedly banned. Maybe they are all cops.

Pilgrim

Prince Yamato
February 24, 2007, 12:49 PM
You know, they were firing straight up into the air, and according to myth busters, the trajectory and velocity of the fall would be non lethal :neener:

Tom Servo
February 24, 2007, 12:53 PM
Yeesh. Notice the one guy who fires a few rounds, then hands the STILL LOADED weapon back to his friend muzzle-first.

grimjaw
February 24, 2007, 01:57 PM
the fall would be non lethal

I might not die from it, but I don't even want a shallow wound containing hot lead, thx.

"So how did you get this wound, young man?"

"Uh, I was shot at a wedding . . ."

Yeah, that's a source of pride.

Sorry, seeing much too much stupidity + firearms lately.

jm

geim druth
February 24, 2007, 03:47 PM
This seems really stupid, but there's a practical purpose. A friend of mine was surprized to see armed guards at his niece's wedding in Venezuela. It's not unknown for robbers to hit weddings, hold the guests at gun point, and steal everything they can. Sometimes it's good to keep your weapons hidden, and other times it's wise to advertise.

alucard0822
February 24, 2007, 04:00 PM
I haven't seen such a festive party since El Guapo's birthday.:)
(obscure 3 amigos reference)

GRB
February 24, 2007, 04:09 PM
I am not sure, but it looked as if there was a guy up on the church roof next to the bell tower. I was half expecting to see him come tumbling down.

Dorryn
February 24, 2007, 04:17 PM
This sort of behavior is VERY common the world over. When I was working on an archaeological excavation in Turkey, one of the villagers had a wedding.... It was three days of loud music that echoed through the village, frequent gunfire into the air, etc. Some of the people shooting were driving cars with German plates, apparently having driven down just for the wedding.

Shooting during a wedding doesnt happen in "first-world" nations, but very frequently in others.

davhina
February 24, 2007, 04:51 PM
Good thing when you fire up in the air that those slugs never come back down.
That could be dangerous otherwise.:D

Vairochana
February 24, 2007, 05:56 PM
The bride is safely marrried- The groom can not escape.
Her brothers are now free to empty their pieces.:)

Professor K
February 24, 2007, 05:57 PM
I think it's cool.

As for the laws against firearms in Mexico, yeah, all of this is illegal. But unlike USA, they just go ignore the law. Mexican gun owners dont have imaginary ATF men in their closets. The rate of compliance with stupid laws in Mexico is low, so generally, less stupid laws are made in the future, and if the policeman thinks the law is stupid, he'll not enforce it.

As far as the safety of shooting in the air, if a ton of people died or got injured from the practice, you would have bet it would have stopped a long time ago. But, I dont think too many died from it, or else these guys wouldnt be doing it every weekend for a hundred years or more.

I think I was also the person that originally posted this video.

Geno
February 24, 2007, 06:08 PM
It is always interesting to observe cultural differences. Thanks for the post.

thexrayboy
February 24, 2007, 11:29 PM
The rate of compliance with stupid laws in Mexico is low, so generally, less stupid laws are made in the future, and if the policeman thinks the law is stupid, he'll not enforce it.


In Mexico I believe whether or not a law is enforced by the local policia or the federales has a lot more to do with La Mordida than with the personal belief of said officers regarding the need for the law in question. In Mexico
if you have money the laws do not generally apply to you. Kind of like how things work inside the beltway in DC.

Waitone
February 24, 2007, 11:38 PM
Looks like they pay as much attention to Mexico's gun laws and they pay attention to our immigration laws. We see unfolding a prevailing pattern of lawlessness on both sides of the border.

Wheeler44
February 25, 2007, 12:55 AM
When I was younger I worked for a company that roofed in L A CA. during the winter season. We put roofs on large industrial buildings. I collected a quart jar of bullets off of old roofs. All different kinds and calibers. I guess they came from folks celebrating New Years or somethin'.

Leanwolf
February 25, 2007, 01:56 AM
"I collected a quart jar of bullets off of old roofs. All different kinds and calibers. I guess they came from folks celebrating New Years or somethin'."

Yep. New Year's Eve, Fourth of July, Christmas, Cinco de Mayo, Martin Luther King, Junior's Birthday, Thanksgiving, Memorial Day, Labor Day.... During the 35 years I lived in Los Angeles, any type of holiday and every Saturday night was a good time for a lot of people to crank off some rounds up into the sky.

Sometimes it seemed as if it were hailing bullets. :mad:

L.W.

saspic
February 25, 2007, 02:19 AM
originally posted by alucard0822 I haven't seen such a festive party since El Guapo's birthday.
(obscure 3 amigos reference)

Would you say they have-a plethora of pistolas?

:p

tnieto2004
February 25, 2007, 02:38 AM
The happy union of the Darwin and Stupid families.

Exactly what I was thinking

Stretchman
February 25, 2007, 03:23 AM
Won't hurt anyone? Wrong. every year, around New Years, bullets fron guns fired in celebration of the New Year do exactly that.

http://www.google.com/search?q=news+years+stray+bullet&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&start=10&sa=N

Do a search on it. You'll be amazed.

Plus, anyone hear automatic weapons? You know, the kind that those not so nice to us these days south of the border bros might just decide to use on us when we cannot defend ourselves anymore with our way dangerous assualt weapons?

Every day, more and more, I begin to think that drug runners and liberals have a lot more in common than simple campaign contributions. My .02 YMMV

Cybrludite
February 25, 2007, 09:13 AM
Actually, I have a cousin who in his mid-fourties has the brain of an 8-year-old because some idiot was firing a .45 into the air here thirty-some-odd years ago. Non fatal is not harmless. :banghead:

TheDisturbed1
February 25, 2007, 09:56 AM
good greif... Who's gettin married???
just imagine what they would do on Cinco De Mayo! :uhoh:

Biker
February 25, 2007, 10:14 AM
I could never understand the big fuss over a damn condiment!

Biker

Leedavisone
February 25, 2007, 10:37 AM
It is very possible that the pistolas are legal. Then again, maybe not. In Mexico, it is perfectly legal to own pistols and rifles of non-military caliber, and there are no laws in Durango that prohibit shooting in the air. I have spent a number of fun nights with some chili farming friends of mine in Chihuahua, spotlighting rabbits. That said, I still wince when I see 1911's in the hand of a carefree and casual Durangista. I'll just bet that those guys were the local Policia.


"El Guapo... what will you do if she does not open her flower to you?"

Psssniper
February 25, 2007, 11:01 AM
They are speaking english?? or am I hearing things

3rdpig
February 25, 2007, 12:52 PM
If you think a Mexican wedding is filled with gun fire, you should attend a Mexican family reunion, it sounds like the Knob Creek machine gun shoot and there's usually at least 1 fatal shooting.

And can we PLEASE stop the myth that a bullet fired straight up will come down with lethal force? Mathematics shows it won't, scientific and non scientific tests shows it won't, and real world experience shows it won't.

There's not a single test that shows it will. A round fired at an angle near enough to vertical to cause the bullet to lose it's ballistic trajectory will only fall at terminal velocity. The same speed as if it were dropped from a tall building. And they tend to fall on their sides. Commonly this is about 70 MPH, fast enough to give you a lump, and maybe break the skin on your scalp if you don't have much hair, but far short of killing or even causing a bad wound.

Stray bullets that kill or cause severe wounds were fired at an angle, enough of an angle to allow the bullet to maintain it's ballistic trajectory. Fact. Period. End of discussion. If you wish to dispute this then cite scientific tests to prove your case, not police statistics of wounded or killed bystanders, because you DON'T know the angle it was fired at.

Wes Janson
February 25, 2007, 03:26 PM
Right, and they were all paying so much attention to making sure that they were firing straight up at a 90 degree angle that they forgot about the whole Rule 2 thing. :rolleyes:

Sorry, but no. Look at the Google search link posted. Watch the news on the 5th of July. I don't care if it's supposedly "non-lethal", because it's bloody obvious that people DO get injured and killed all the time by it. I'm sure it does great things for their hearing, too.

Firing weapons up into the air is stupidity, plain and simple. You can make up whatever excuses you want for it, but as far as I'm concerned it's one of those things that rightfully deserves to be illegal. And let's not forget the ammunition it gives to anti-gun groups to be used against us.

akodo
February 25, 2007, 06:41 PM
someone wrote 'if ecessive people died from this practice, it would cease!'

okay, another common wedding practice is to get drunk off your hind end then drive home. Seems to me both that and shooting your gun in the air are about the same level of risk. You can probably do it safely a bunch, but eventually some little kid or whatnot is going to die. Also just like alcohol, guns can be enjoyed responsibly. The cure for drunk driving isn't banning booze, it is catching someone doing it, then throwing the book at them. Same with stupid gun stuff that endangers others, don't blame guns, blame morons, and when you catch em doing it, lock em up.

waiting until the drunk driver kills someone or the random shooter kills someone is too late

TheDisturbed1
February 26, 2007, 06:19 AM
a while back ('round here sumwhere)... a camper fired a shot into the air (like, 30-06)to keep bears away and he continued walking but the bullet came down right through the top of his head... It CAN be fatal, and then it CAN be minor... I'm sure the poor dude had some sorry skeletons in his closet...

GRB
February 26, 2007, 09:19 AM
I agree that the actions of these folks at this wedding were irresponsible, very much so. Yet that does not justify making generalized statements, ones that can bolster the anti-gunners in their quest to chip awaybat our rights piece by piece, like the following statement:

Firing weapons up into the air is stupidity, plain and simple. You can make up whatever excuses you want for it, but as far as I'm concerned it's one of those things that rightfully deserves to be illegal.

Going by the sentiment of such a statement it would therefore:

1) be illegal to hunt ducks, geese, crows, pheasants, quail and mnay other birds that are taken while on the wing.

2) be illegal to shoot sporting clays, trap or skeet

3) quite possibly become illegal to hunt treed racoons, squirrels, bobcats, or mountain lions because if you missed it is likely your bullet would go up into the air

4) be illegal to fire at someone firing at you from above in a tall building, in a helicopter (one never knows in today's world) , and so forth.

5) become illegal to shoot uphill at any time because heavens forbid the bullet went over the top of the hill

Some are valid concerns, a couple of others probably far fetched, but then again the other folks - those who hate that you have guns - they use whatever ammo they can.

All the best,
Glenn B

Wes Janson
February 26, 2007, 09:35 AM
1) be illegal to hunt ducks, geese, crows, pheasants, quail and mnay other birds that are taken while on the wing.

2) be illegal to shoot sporting clays, trap or skeet

Do you do any of those things in an urban environment? And would you do any of them with a centerfire rifle or pistol cartridge? Being hit by a pellet or two of birdshot from several hundred yards is considerably different than being hit by a 230 gr FMJ traveling at several hundred FPS.
3) quite possibly become illegal to hunt treed racoons, squirrels, bobcats, or mountain lions because if you missed it is likely your bullet would go up into the air

One should try to avoid missing, but again, I ask: are you shooting at squirrels and treed racoons in the middle of a subdivision?
4) be illegal to fire at someone firing at you from above in a tall building, in a helicopter (one never knows in today's world) , and so forth.
Get back to me when that one becomes a concern in the real world.
Yet that does not justify making generalized statements, ones that can bolster the anti-gunners in their quest to chip awaybat our rights piece by piece, like the following statement:
Sorry, but no. There's no way I can condone irresponsible and dangerous behavior, nor fail to call it out for what it is. If we want to help our image, the way to do it is to show the public that we're serious about safety and the Four Rules. Dumping a mag through a Kalashnikov up into the air in the middle of a city is stupid, wrong, and should be illegal. Period. End of discussion.

ravencon
February 26, 2007, 09:36 AM
Such activity isn't exactly unknown here. I have friends who live in city in Massachusetts who had Jamaican neighbors whose guests used to fire off a few rounds of appreciation when leaving the party that seemed to occur every weekend.

Neo-Luddite
February 26, 2007, 10:37 AM
Amazing disregard for safety. One step removed from the general in 'The Wild Bunch' when he first tries out the machinegun in the town square.

I'm just too culturally insensitive I guess--I don't 'get it'.

SSN Vet
February 26, 2007, 10:43 AM
must come down....

IMO.....this is hugely irresponsible.....and reflects ignorance and carelessness

bird shot out of a 12 ga. on New Years Eve. is another subject.

GRB
February 26, 2007, 10:46 AM
Wes,

That is right -don't condone bad behavior, but I think also that you should not try to generalize that shooting into the air is aways bad behavior, and that is exactly what you did in your first statement. Now you have honed it down considerably by asking if I do the things I mentioned in an urban environment. My point was yu made a general statement, now you realize that you need to narrow it down, and you did so. The antis though will harp on statements like the general one though, and use it to show where even gun folks believe any shooting into the air should be illegal. That was my point; I certainly never condoned the jerks at this wedding who fired into the air, or the other jerks who did not seek cover once the firing started.

As for the real world thing of shooting at someone above, it is quite real world - maybe not the helicopter in the USA, but certainly shooting at bad guys overhead in buildings or in towers and the like. As I pointed out in my own post, some of the examples were far fetched - but that would not stop the antis from making an issue out of them as they do use whatever ammo they can to shoot down our gun rights.

All the best,
GB

All the best,
Glenn B

RTFM
February 26, 2007, 11:40 AM
Hopefully some came back down in to the group and we'll have a few less WB's to worry about on our boarders.

I REFUSE TO PRESS #1 FOR ENGLISH!

roo_ster
February 26, 2007, 01:40 PM
And can we PLEASE stop the myth that a bullet fired straight up will come down with lethal force? Mathematics shows it won't...
Somehow, those folks forgot their plumb bobs at home, so they could get their angles correct. (I bet that some of the shooters had plumbed the depths of a few bottles of booze, though.)

Wes Janson
February 26, 2007, 05:48 PM
http://www.breakingnews.ie/World/?jp=CWSNSNGBGBSN&rss=rss2

At least 11 people died and more than 100 people were injured at an annual spring festival in eastern Pakistan celebrated with the flying of thousands of colourful kites, officials said today.

The deaths and injuries were caused by stray bullets, sharpened kite-strings, electrocution and people falling off rooftops yesterday at the conclusion of the two-day Basant festival, said Ruqia Bano, spokeswoman for emergency service in the city of Lahore.

The festival is regularly marred by casualties caused by sharp kite strings or celebratory gunshots fired into the air.

hankdatank1362
February 26, 2007, 10:06 PM
Hopefully some came back down in to the group and we'll have a few less WB's to worry about on our boarders.

I REFUSE TO PRESS #1 FOR ENGLISH!

Dude!!!:what:

Although it was pretty funny, someone might find that tasteless.

Personally, I don't, but you know how it is.

jaysouth
February 26, 2007, 11:15 PM
From the appearance of the participants, the clothing worn and vehicles in attendance, this was the wedding of a very wealthy family in that part of the world. From my personal experience in Durango, anyone who can afford a new vehicle (there are no payment schemes, you pay cash) enjoys gun ownership and daily close and personal carry of handguns.

Discharging weapons in the air during a celebration is a common practice in many third world locations. If there are casualties, look upon it as after the fact birth control.

Orthonym
February 26, 2007, 11:44 PM
Now, some here may call me a tight-@ss Gringo, but I do think that if one wants to make a celebratory loud noise with a revolver on the occasion of the change of the year, or a national holiday, or something, he should fire said revolver *downwards* into a stack of soaking-wet newspapers, out in the yard, behind the trees, where nobody can see what he's doing. He should not wear ear protection, so as to get the full sensory experience and because the .45 Colt is a low-pressure cartridge, and should be surprised by, and then resigned to, the fact that his ears will ring for several days afterward.

If anybody asks how I know this, I'll not answer.

atblis
February 27, 2007, 11:34 AM
I say if you're going to do it, do it right!

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/admin/images/content/v51pistol.jpg

RTFM
February 27, 2007, 11:42 AM
hankdatank1362 Dude!!!

Although it was pretty funny, someone might find that tasteless.

Personally, I don't, but you know how it is.

It's no joke sir. It's what I believe. From the top of my head to the soles of my feet.
This is MY COUNTRY.
Prepare to repel all borders.

They have F'd up their own country, what make them think I want them here in mine?

They breed, then leach off my hard earned money thinking that they are entitled to it because they are the disenfranchised.

The less that make it here alive, the less we have to unwillingly support.

Legionnaire
February 27, 2007, 12:35 PM
[Monty Python]"Let's not bicker an' argue over who killed who ... This is supposed to be a happy occasion!"[/Monty Python]

3rdpig
February 27, 2007, 02:15 PM
Look at the Google search link posted. Watch the news on the 5th of July. I don't care if it's supposedly "non-lethal", because it's bloody obvious that people DO get injured and killed all the time by it. I'm sure it does great things for their hearing, too.

Firing weapons up into the air is stupidity, plain and simple. You can make up whatever excuses you want for it, but as far as I'm concerned it's one of those things that rightfully deserves to be illegal. And let's not forget the ammunition it gives to anti-gun groups to be used against us.

Agreed, shooting up in the air with a rifle or pistol simply to make noise is stupid and irresponsible. It should be, and it is illegal in most cities. If you injure someone with irresponsible gun use, then you should face the penalty of law.

But I never said that the people in the video were making sure to fire straight up. They are morons, plain and simple.

I simply stated a proven fact, that a round fired at an angle that causes the bullet to lose it's ballistic trajectory will NOT come to earth with enough force to cause more than a very minor wound. Dispute that with fact and logic if you can, but leave the emotional pandering for those that buy into that kind of thing.

You can provide google links, media stories, wiki articles and police reports to your hearts content, but until you can show me hard proof that a bullet traveling at terminal velocity can cause a serious wound, you're no better than the Brady bunch with their cries of "bullet hoses" and "shooting down airplanes". You're spouting out emotion and calling it fact. And that sir, should also be illegal.

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