[Agerton]

Allison Kirkpatrick (770 729 5758) stated that there are to be NO firearms of any kind carried by anyone for any purpose in any manner concealed or not at any Waffle House. She is also going to send me a letter stating that as Waffle House policy. As soon as I have that I will scan it and post it here.

I suggest that as many people as possible call or email and tell John Fervier (VP of Risk Management) or Von Jennings (Head of Security) that Waffle House will not serve another waffle to you or your family as long as that policy is in effect.


Customer Hotline(toll-free) 1-877-992-3353

JohnFervier@wafflehouse.com VP of Risk Management

VonJennings@wafflehouse.com Head of Security

[CZ-75]

The most lethal thing at the Waffle House is the food, not my carry piece.

I'm wondering if they'll let me bring a portable defibrillator in?

I will let them know my feelings on their stance.

[TarpleyG]

Here we go again. Maybe someone could give this nice lady Franks phone number from Applebee's and let him tell her how bad a $hitstorm she is in for.

BTW, where did you get this information from and what piqued your interest to ask?

GT

[Agerton]

I saw a post on Packing.org about a Waffle House here in Tallahassee.
I called and spoke with Allison. Got the coporate line. I asked for the other two's email addresses and have since posted this message on every board that I can.

Below is another gentleman's email to Waffle House as posted on Packing.org

Dear Sir,
I am writing you in response to Waffle House's no weapons policy, especially the dorky little yellow signs posted at the end of the building to which no one can see. I would suggest that Waffle House re-evaluate it's no weapons policy. First off, criminals disregard laws and will commit crimes no matter what. Do you think your no weapons policy and posted sign on the end of the building are going to stop an armed criminal intent on robbing the place? I can see it now. The criminal sees the no firearms signs and he turns around to go back to his car and put his illegally carried firearm away. Lets get real here. All your doing is advertising that your establishment disarms it's employees and customers so it will be easy pickings for an armed thug to prey on. I was especially disturbed when I found out that your policy even prohibits off duty law enforcement officers, along with people who are licensed to carry a weapon, from being on the premises with their legally carried weapon. Law enforcement officers and persons who are licensed to carry weapons are some the most law-abiding and well trained citizens. They both know how de-escalate a situation before it gets outta hand and they are well trained on how to use their weapons should they have to use them. Self-defense is an inalienable human right and it has no borders or barriers. My human right to self-defense does not end at your doorstep. The 2nd amendment of the Constitution further guarantees that right by stating in the final clause that the people have the right to keep and bear arms. ( it is not just limited to firearms, the 2nd amendment also refers to any "arm" that a militia man, or soldier would carry for defense. such as a knife, bayonet, chemical spray, baton.) Your establishments are clearly not the safest places to grab a bite to eat, especially late at night. I have ran into my fair share of unstable individuals at many of your establishments. This makes me concerned for my safety. For if your company wants to disarm me before I enter, then I feel that I no longer want to patronize your establishment and I will encourage others to do the same. The internet is a big place and word travels fast about opinions and even faster when a company does not care for its customers. I remember 2 years ago that a cook that worked at one of your Roswell, GA stores was armed with a pistol when 3 men came in and tried to rob the place. The cook produced the pistol and foiled the robbery, yet no one was hurt nor killed. I wonder what your company did to that particular employee. I shudder to think that he was disciplined for his courageous actions and for exercising his human right to self-defense. So, in conclusion I would like to know if your company will re-evaluate it's position - maybe a rewording of the policy to the effect of "No illegally carried weapons allowed on this premises" or "No weapons allowed except law enforcement and those who are licensed to carry a weapon". That will make a armed criminal think twice about who he is about to terrorize, for he might end up messing with someone who can fight back. I look forward to reading your correspondence

[Henry Bowman]

The "Waffle House" issue is a more fully developed thread on packing.org (http://www.packing.org) .

[Agerton]

Packing.org does have a more developed thread of discussion.
However the more people who are informed and make their views known, the better.
Spread the word!!!!

[jsalcedo]

Here is the letter I sent:

I am disappointed at the no firearms policy your company has adopted.
There are millions of licensed citizens here in the US that carry concealed on a regular basis for
the protection of themselves and their families.

Concealed handgun permit holders in Texas have no felonies, owe no back taxes, child support or student loans.
We have to pass federal, state and local background checks as well as submit fingerprints and pictures.

It seems that you would want these people patronizing your establishments.

I'm sorry to say that my family will no longer go to the Waffle House on Sunday mornings
until this policy is changed.

Please reconsider your position in this matter

Jesse Salcedo

[WYO]

I recall seeing a lot of debate in legal circles when states started including posting options in CCW laws. One side thought that failure to post could result in liability if someone with a CCW hurt someone. The other side was concerned that an establishment that posted, thereby precluding people from carrying even though authorized by state law, would become liable for the safety and welfare of persons who got injured because they weren't allowed to carry.

Any letters to businesses who have decided to post should note that they may be deemed to have assumed liability for injury to persons when they preclude people from carrying lawfully within the parameters of the applicable CCW law. If you want to add some effect, send the letter certified so it can be evidence if something were to happen in the future.

While an EFFECTIVE boycott could do a lot to unwind posted signs, I'm not sure that many boycotts will be effective. On the other hand, the spectre of gazillion dollar liability may be effective. And in the case of a store that posts because of the whim of a manager, instead of as the result of a reasoned corporate decision, you may see some movement in some cases.

Personally, I don't think that mentioning the Second Amendment makes a bit of difference on these types of corporate decisions, and I wouldn't even mention it, nor would I use derogatory terms such as "dorky little yellow signs."

YMMV

[Agerton]

I am sending this sign by email and by post.

[Agerton]

.pdf file of same sign

[bogie]

Dang, but I LOVE grass roots activism.

===

I'm on a low carb diet, and like to eat at Waffle House restaurants - hey, I like your omelets. They're perfect.

But since your company has adopted a stance of not allowing people who _legally_ carry concealed firearms on the premises, I'm no longer going to be able to patronize your restaurants. I don't know if someone in your corporate headquarters has equated ownership of firearms with gangsters or something, but they need to realize that concealed carry permit holders are, by definition, some of the most law-abiding folks in the country. We are NOT criminals (in fact, how many of your general population of customers, or employees for that matter, have had background checks performed on them to ensure that they have no criminal records?), and when we're equated with such, it is very insulting. Please keep in mind that the criminal element won't pay any attention to your policies - it's only the permit holders whose business you will lose.

In the past (often while travelling to practice - your Wentzville, MO
store was a favorite place to stop prior to visiting the St. Louis Benchrest Rifle Club in Wright City - or to matches) I've often eaten there, since the quality is consistent around the country, and I'll miss it.

Should you revise your policy, I'll resume my patronage. Thank you very much.

[GSB]

Fine, Waffle Weenies. I've got a Waffle House near my house (witht the No Guns sign posted) and a little mom and pop breakfast & lunch place a little further down the road that does not discriminate against people on the basis of lifestyle choice (concealed carry). Guess where I'll be taking 100% of my breakfast and lunch business instead?

[Beorn]

I used to go to Waffle House all of the time before I moved to Kalifornia. (Don't have too many of them out here)

I was glad to see the responses, but the "dorky signs" comment, and the fact that the individual was not exactly a learned scholar, didn't nail the issue for me. Hopefully, somone else with slightly less inflamatory language will send another letter.

[joeislove]

Um....I can't find a thread about Waffle House on packing.org. That site is really hard to use to read messages, IMO.

[CZ 75 BD]

totally out of any other options to eat in one of those joints. :barf: :barf:

[CZ-75]

totally out of any other options to eat in one of those joints.

Greasy spoon is okay every once in a while.

I kinda like cheese and onion hash browns with my bacon and eggs. Cholesterol = 2000. :D

[CGofMP]

Ya know..... I am reminded of a song by Wierd Al Yancovic about a certain waffle house where the owner thought he was God's gift...

They say the lyrics are based on a true occurence...



"Waffle King"

It took a lifetime, but I finally found
The perfect waffle recipe
You'll never find a batter any better in this whole stinkin' town
One little bite and I'm sure that you'll agree

Your eyes roll back and your knees get weak
Aw, you're gonna lick your plate clean
People come from miles around just to study my technique
I make the best darn waffles this world has ever seen

I'm the Waffle King (Waffle King)... yeah
Waffle King (Waffle King)
That's what they call me
Waffle King (Waffle King)
Hey, I'm the Waffle King

Everywhere I go, the people cheer
I never have to wait in line
People say, "Right this way, sir... Your money's no good here.'
Some day I betcha they'll build me a shrine

And everybody say, "Well, I'm your biggest fan!"
"I seen your picture in People Magazine!"
Folks come from around the world just to shake my hand
If you don't believe in the power of the waffle lemme show you just what I mean

I'm the Waffle King (Waffle King)
Make you want to scream and shout
Waffle King (Waffle King)
That's my name, don't wear it out
Waffle King (Waffle King)
Make no mistake about it I'm the Waffle King... yeah

Roll out the red carpet, 'cause here I come
All you peons better scram
Out of my way, you worthless piece of scum
Don't you know who I am?
Hey!

I wanna see you grovel, you waffle-eatin' fools
Everybody, on your knees
You wanna buy a waffle, you're playin' by my rules
Go on, beg me... lemme hear you say "pretty please"

Can't you tell the universe revolves around me?
Don't you know you suckers owe me everything?
And can't you see that I'm the highest form of life that there could ever be?
Everybody all around the world, stand up and sing
Come on know...

Waffle King
Hey, batter batter
Waffle King
Hot on your platter
Waffle King
Say, what's the matter
Don't you know who I am?
Don't you know who I am?
Tell 'em, girls
(He's the Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Waffle King)
Yeah yeah
(He's the Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Waffle King)
Tell the truth now
(He's the Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa Waffle King)
Don't you know who I am?
Don't you know who I am?

[Lone_Gunman]

Ever check out the other patrons at a Waffle House?

I would say that on average, there are more guns inside a Waffle House than teeth.

[Mike Irwin]

I ate at a Waffle House for the only time in my life about 5 years ago.

I vomited it back up less than 2 hours later.

It should be renamed to "Rancid Grease and Sludge House."

[CZ-75]

I would say that on average, there are more guns inside a Waffle House than teeth.

I was gonna say something witty about the dentition of the patrons, but refrained. :evil:

[Feanaro]

Email sent. I've enjoyed the food at Wafflehouse many times(I can eat no-name frozen burritos and enjoy them :) ) but I am afraid that will stop.

Oh, and I agree about some of the patrons at WH. I've seen quite a few shifty characters. And after two AM, when all the bars close, the weirdo drunks wander in for some coffee and breakfast. :scrutiny:

[JPM70535]

My response to the Waffle house signs and policy against concealed carry is simple.

Concealed means CONCEALED. As long as that premise is adhered to, both the signs and the policy are moot points.

FIRST RULE OF GUNFIGHTING, BRING A GUN!!!

[ravinraven]

I sent an e-mail as suggested. I thanked them for making my breakfast choice simpler. I didn't have to consider them anymore as I looked for a place to eat breakfast on the road.

It is too bad that fools get carried away with their loony anti-defence ideas.

Whoever thought up that "no Weapons Allowed" poster is a genious.

And here I thought this was going to be a dull day!

ravinraven

[Shweboner]

I kicked off an email to them as well. We'll see how this one turns out.


__________________________

I have recently learned of your company's policy regarding firearms. It is understandable that you do not want gunplay going on inside your business. However, your policy is ill-founded. By not allowing holders of Concealed Carry Permits or even off duty police officers bring LEGALLY carried firearms into your restaurant, you are denying them their right to protect themselves as well as their second amendment rights. If you do not allow responsible citizens to legally protect themselves and their families, will Waffle House take up responsibility for patron safety? I think it wise for you to reconsider this policy, might I suggest changing to a policy prohibiting ILEGALLY carried weapons. Not that any policy or sign will deter a criminal from victimizing your customers or employees. I hope you will do the right thing and re-examine this policy, hopefully change it. Until that time, my family and I will not return to Waffle House, nor will my friends & associates. This story has also been passed around via various internet sites and pro-gun forums where thousands of potential (and current) customers will await your decisions. We only ask that you allow us to exercise our right to legally protect ourselves. Thank You.

________________________________________

~Brian

[Ala Dan]

pretty soon I won't have anywhere to eat!:rolleyes: :) :uhoh:

Applebee's
The Waffle House
Who's Next?

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[ravinraven]

Here's a question I hit upon to ask a Liberal babe who is a political basket case. It's probably been asked before, but I've had a bit of fun with it yesterday. I asked five people.

You have the choice of eating in one of two restaurants. You MUST eat in one of them. You know nothing about anyone in either resturant. You DO know that in one resturant ONE man carries a concealed pistol and it's loaded and he knows how to use it. You DO know that in the other eatery there are TWO men carrying concealed pistols and they are ready for action. You also know that the two men are unaware of each other [are not working together]

Let's assume that each place has the same number of patrons. If you are interested in entering the one that is PROBABLY the safest place, which place do you enter?

So my unscientific poll yielded the following results: The two liberal basket-case people I asked said they would enter the ONE GUN establishment because it had fewer guns and fewer chances of anyone getting hurt. Two of the realists I asked immediately said that they would go into the TWO GUN place because there was a chance that if one carrier was "bad" and whipped out his gun, the other might be "good" and take the bad one out. The third realist thought about it a few minutes and then came to the same conclusion.

Sort of a dumb way to spend the day, but it was fun.

rr

[Zundfolge]

My response to the Waffle house signs and policy against concealed carry is simple.

Concealed means CONCEALED. As long as that premise is adhered to, both the signs and the policy are moot points.

Thats all well and good if you live someplace where a sign on the door has no legal weight (I don't believe that there is any requirement for me to follow such a sign here in Colorado). However for folk who live in places like Texas where if a business posts a sign then you can lose your CCW by violating it, then its not a moot point.

I believe that business owners have the right to keep guns out of their businesses, just as we have a right to boycott them for it (the irony is that keeping the law abiding disarmed doesn't keep guns out of their business :p )

[Zander]

Ala Dan...update yourself on the Applebee's situation. You'll be able to eat there again. ;)

[LiquidTension]

The Waffle House I go to here in Columbia (Garner's Ferry Rd for you local guys) has a sign up that forbids carrying firearms on WaHo property. Fortunately, the sign does not meet the requirments for a legal sign, and I ignore it completely. If they took the time to change the sign to a legal one, I would go somewhere else. Thankfully the people that put it up are just like most people that don't like guns and didn't do any research on the topic before coming to a conclusion. Thing is, that WaHo is the only one around here I've seen that has such a sign posted. Could be because it's not in the nicest part of town. That's probably why there are always cops there, too. Anyway, it can be their policy all day long not to have firearms on their property, but if it isn't posted, that policy means nothing.

When you gotta eat at 3am, there isn't anywhere else around here that's open, so my choice is eat there or don't eat.

[WAGCEVP]

The Awffle Houses around here have the no guns signs up., but have never said anything when I wear one of my PIC gun t shirts, (but I'll join in whatever it takes to get the signs down , if y'all say so :)

[Sportcat]

LiquidTension,

I just avoid the part of town all together!

[Ala Dan]

Thanks for the info Zander; I guess I will give them
another shot! (Laughing Loudly):D :uhoh: :rolleyes:

Best Wishes,
Ala Dan, N.R.A. Life Member

[Double Naught Spy]

Okay, do any of you really think that getting Waffle House to change its policy will do any good? Would it not just be better to boycott Waffle House like we do every other institution until it finally folds under the lack of patronage by gun owners?

Of all the businesses to work with here in the states, why anyone would give a darn about such a disgusting chain as Waffle House is beyond me. Would we not be better off working on business of a little better caliber?

[Lone_Gunman]

Aside from the unbathed cooks, toothless waitresses, morbidly obese patrons, and dangerously greasy floors, I have always had good experiences at WH.

But no way in hell would I go into one in the middle of the night without my gun