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Nematocyst
February 24, 2007, 11:42 PM
"Clubs" - threads dedicated to discussion of a particular make and model of gun - seem to be growing in popularity on THR. It's a tiny movement so far, but up and coming, I predict.

I'm currently participating in two clubs: The 642 Club (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=138658) (devoted to the SW 642 snubbies, and one of, if not the, longest running THR threads with 1650 posts now) and the newly formed 686 Club (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=257401) (devoted to SW 686).

The 642 club is a great source of information for that particular model, a clearing house for info about rnds, sights, grips, holsters (in the case of handguns), shooting tips, upgrades, repair issues, images, etc.

A long gun club could be the same, adding the topics of stocks, slings, scopes, etc.

I just got a new Marlin 336A about a week ago, and have only had it to the range once so far, but already love it. It's one of five guns in my optimal minimalist tool kit. (870P, 336A, 39A, 686+, 642)

Despite my user name (I do dearly love my 870P), this 336 could become my main long gun. (Yes, I also just got a Marlin 39A. Hmmm. Another club?) I plan to learn as much about this 336 as possible. I think of it as a project.

I have yet to decide on sighting options (apertures, ghost rings and/or scope). I've just begun to explore various ammo options. There are a dozen other questions that come to mind as well.

So, I thought, hmmm, why not a 336 club?

It may fly, it may not, but it's worth an experiment.

Over the next few months, I'm going to try to collect information about the 336 from archived THR threads and other web links and post them here. (I've got an entire bookmark folder devoted to 336.)

We'll be focused mainly on .30-30, I suspect, but open to posts about .35.

What say you? Anybody into it?

Nem

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=53867&d=1172383166

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VMIRat1995
February 24, 2007, 11:47 PM
I've got a 336A as well. I have yet to fire it.

I bought it after I had (and sold a Winchester 94 Trapper when I needed the dough a few years ago). I've only had the 336A for a few months and have yet to fire it.

The 336A feels good so far, but I still like the straight stock and short length of my old Winchester 94 Trapper.

The plusses of the 336A is the solid heft and feel. The plusses of the Win Trapper is the sleek design and straight grip.

CrackerJim
February 25, 2007, 01:00 AM
I look forward to following this thread. I was fortunate to inherit a very fine condition Win 94 from my Grandfather. However, it's too valuable for both sentimental and financial reasons to beat around in the brush with it.

I've been looking into lever guns and the Marlin comes up time and time again. Prices locally seem decent as well.

Hope the thread catches on.

Jim

Waywatcher
February 25, 2007, 01:38 AM
It's one of five guns in my optimal minimalist tool kit

I'm really intereted in this concept, as I have always strived for the exact same goal. Maybe a thread about this topic would be good too? Perhaps not as long-lived as this probably will be, but I'd be very interested in it.

I ended up selecting a Yugo SKS instead of a 30-30 Marlin but it fulfills almost exactly the same role.

Logan5
February 25, 2007, 01:48 AM
I guess I'll finally have to take pictures, find a place to host them, and post them to THR. I knew I couldn't dodge that massive time suck forever, but I didn't think it'd happen so soon!

One crazy 336 question I've had for a while seems to have vanished down the memory hole. Ten or so years ago, I seem to recall reading at least one write up of a company that was doing up 336's as patrol rifles, with synthetic furniture and ghost ring apertures, etc, etc. I want to say it was Scattergun Technologies before Wilson bought them out, but apparently that's wrong. Anyone remember such a thing?

Nematocyst
February 25, 2007, 03:09 AM
Welcome to the club, folks.

I hope it catches on, too, Jim. Could be an interesting ride.

VMIRat, I hear you on that "solid heft and feel". The 336 just feels right. Nicely balanced and solid. We're in a different space about pistol grips though. I'm a pistol grip guy through and through. I respect that a lot of you like the straight grips, but I'm a pg person. Guess it's what we grew up with (?).

Waywatcher, glad to hear there's at least one other who resonates with the idea of an optimal minimal kit. As a quasi-nomadic type, I was looking for a kit with a few guns (didn't want to tote around many) that would take care of most tasks, mostly hunting (small and medium game) plus SD. Yeah, maybe I'll do a thread on it. I've been discussing the concept with some friends who've helped me develop mine. It's been an interesting process. I probably won't discuss it much in this thread, though. But I could share some of my thinking with you via PM.
I seem to recall reading at least one write up of a company that was doing up 336's as patrol rifles, with synthetic furniture and ghost ring apertures, etcLogan, check out this thread on "Cowboy Assault Rifles (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=221576&highlight=cowboy)". Not exactly what you had in mind, but similar, and a very interesting concept. I originally thought I was going to buy an older beater 336 and do that to it, but now, I'm not sure. This new one has very nice wood furniture on it. I may keep that for at least a while.

There are some neat synth stocks for 336 out there though. Wild Dog (http://www.wilddog.com.au/content/default.asp) has some of the most interesting to me, but unfortunately, I don't think they're going to make one for the 336A right away. It has a fore end cap; the ones they're making are for the 336C, 336W and others with barrel bands.

Nem

oregonhunter
February 25, 2007, 03:31 AM
she's a western field.
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/liftedf150/DSC00027.jpg

mattw
February 25, 2007, 03:34 AM
The 336 is a very cool rifle. I have been wanting to get one but I haven't got the spare cash and it would be hard to justify as I've already got a Winchester '94 in .30-30.

I hope this thread does well because I am interested in the 336.

I've seen some nice options from XS sight systems for lever guns but would never put them on my Winchester because I think that ruins the lines and classic look.

I think the Marlin appeals to me because it would be something that I wouldn't feel bad about messing with, to me it isn't as much of a classic as the Winchester with a straight walnut stock and its top ejecting action. But that is a pro instead of a con for the 336.

Fast Frank
February 25, 2007, 04:12 AM
The 336 is a great rifle.

If I could only have one, I would pick the 336. It will do anything I might need a rifle for and has proven to be as reliable as anything you can name.

Back in the early '90s, I bought a brand new 336. It was the prettiest Marlin I ever saw. The wood had a really nice grain to it and it was beautiful.

I got into a money jam, and it went away.

A year or two later, I "rescued" this short barreled .30-30 from a pawn shop. It was ugly, and had rust pits, and somebody had put pickup truck bed liner on the wood!

It was so ugly, the pawn shop sold it for super cheap.

I bought it thinking it would hold me over until I could buy something nice.

I cleaned it up as best I could and painted it with flat black Crylon spray paint.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a184/FastFrank4x4/oddball/marlin3030.jpg

This rifle has earned my respect. the action is tight, the bore is bright and it will shoot just under an inch at 100 yards with the right ammo.

It is as tough as some old boot leather, and I have no fear whatsoever of taking it afield in any weather imaginable. What is it going to do, rust?

It is the most sensible rifle imaginable, and the gun grabbers have no interest in it at all (Even if it is black!)

I will keep it regardless of whatever else is in my safe.

I have rifles that cost ten times what I paid for this one, but none that I like more.

ugaarguy
February 25, 2007, 04:19 AM
Not 336 Specific, but here are two places to get that type of work done.
http://www.yost-bonitz.com/packages/biglewie/
http://www.wildwestguns.com/CoPilot_And_Guide_Rifles/copilot_and_guide_rifles.html

mattw
February 25, 2007, 04:31 AM
That Yost gun is amazing!

_N4Z_
February 25, 2007, 12:13 PM
I have a 336 in 30-30 that I just had out shooting yesterday. Early on I had problems with accuracy and it took me awhile to figure it out.

I contemplated selling/trading it...

I then discovered that the micro groove was copper fouled, and on this particular rifle, copper fouls quickly. Hit the bore with some Sweets 7.62 and haven't looked back. Shot a sub 3" --> actually lets say a slightly 2+" group yesterday in 30mph winds @ 100 yards. I don't handload. My Marlins favorite round is the Federal 3030B 170gr soft point. Even with a clean bore it will not group 150gr loads very well.

So glad I kept this rifle. :)

Nematocyst
February 25, 2007, 05:20 PM
Nice to see continued interest in the club. Thanks to all for coming by.

OregonHunter, beautiful Model A. Very nice sling for it, too. Source?
Also, which scope is that, and how do you like it?

Frank, I've read several threads where the bed liner approach to stock protection is discussed (and discussed it directly with a few who advocate it). It seems extreme, yet I've considered it before I bought mine. (But then I thought I was going to buy a beater and fix it up, but wound up buying new instead.) I originally considered going to add a synthetic stock and get the barrel cut down. I may ultimately do something like that, but have decided for now, at least for the next period of time, just to get to know this rifle as is (sight modifications notwithstanding), then make a decision about what to do with it.

Uga, I agree with Matt: those Yost-Bonitz mod packages are very impressive.
But at $1600+ (and that's with my gun provided), that may have to wait a while. :what:

N4Z, I've been reading a lot of discussions about the differences between 150's and 170 gr. It seems that individual guns have a preference between the two, some liking one better, some liking the other. I'll see if I can dig out a reference.

Keep it up folks. I see an interesting, informative thread in the making here.

Nem

fiVe
February 25, 2007, 05:31 PM
Nema,

Thanks so much for starting the 336 Club! In 2004, I bought a 336 from a co-worker ("Cliff") who has since retired & moved away. I sent the serial# to Marlin, and they sent an owner's guide and told me it was manufactured in 1974. I don't know how long Cliff had it (he said he killed a few deer with it), but Cliff was a perfectionist in caring for his guns (he had many!), and it is in excellent shape with very few scratches on the wood and a mirror bore.

A lever action and a revolver just seem to suit me, but my lever action knowledge is not what it should be, until now. I'm sure this thread will be the perfect resource for the Marlin 336. I'll have some questions, but I mainly just want to be a sponge--enjoying the pics and soaking up the wealth of info.

Here's a couple of pics:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/five610/DSCF0522.jpg


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/five610/DSCF0521.jpg


My first question--
Since my 336 was manufactured in 1974, it does not have the hammer block safety. The owner's guide states that the hammer should be put in the half-cock position any time the rifle is loaded and that the hammer should never be allowed to rest on the firing pin when a round is chambered. Of course the best safety is between your ears and you never ever violate the 4 rules, but is there anything else I need to know about this since I don't have the extra hammer block safety?

Thanks,
fiVe (proud member of the 642 Club (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=138658) and the 336 Club (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=258000))

oregonhunter
February 25, 2007, 05:49 PM
Nematocyst- I got the rifle from a used gun shop for an exellent price, that scope and sling came with it neither have a name on them but the sling is an impressive real leather design that is very comfortable and probably worth more than I would pay. I am replacing the scope with a leupold 1-4x I have at the house. Thanks for the comments.

.45Guy
February 25, 2007, 06:01 PM
Just ignore that odd Winchester:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g27/aguy123/Picture.jpg

scrat
February 25, 2007, 06:17 PM
you guys are mean. i have an OG

model 94 30-30


your mean

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a155/scrat36/16Feb-21.jpg

Nematocyst
February 25, 2007, 06:18 PM
So, as I mentioned in the first post, I hope that the 336 Club will become a clearing house for information about 336's, including links to archived threads and other info on the Internet. Here's an installment, focusing on how to distinguish between different models and their predecessors. (Which took me weeks of research...)

Note: this list is FAR from complete. I've only included threads here back through 2006,
and then it's only a sample. An archive search will yield more.

The Marlin company web pages for 336 begin here (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/Centerfire/336A.aspx).

Over the last few months, while researching which 336 to buy,
I started two THR threads that helped me sort out the various models:

* Marlin 336: A v. C (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242785)

* Marlin 336: C v. W (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=226681)

Of course, there are other models (SS, XLR) and some that are no longer in production (see below). But I didn't want stainless for this gun, and was focusing on current models to start. (And wound up buying one.)

The new 336XLR (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/xlr/336.aspx), with a 24" barrel designed specifically for Hornady LeveRevolution, is in a class by itself in terms of 336's. I handled an XLR, and may eventually wind up buying one :rolleyes: but I wanted a shorter, more traditional model to start with. I have little knowledge of the XLR, so I'll leave that for others to discuss. In this post, I'll focus more on traditional 336's (although discussions of the 336XLR are welcome in the club).

There are also several relevant threads in the 336 section of the Marlin Owner's Forum (http://www.marlinowners.com/board/) (of which I am a member; it's a great forum with a fine bunch of folks, even though I spend most of my time on THR because I can learn about and discuss my other guns here, too).

Those links have a lot of useful info on 336 other than just how to distinguish A, C & W,
but the summary of the differences is (please correct and/or add if necessary):


Caliber: .30-30 AND .35 Rem (C) v. .30-30 only (A, SS & W)
Metal finish: blued (A, C, W) v. stainless (SS)
Stock: American black walnut (C & SS) v. birch (A & W).
Birch is harder than walnut, but walnut is "prettier" (at least according to some).
Fore end barrel attachment: barrel band (C, SS & W) v. fore end cap with stud from barrel (A).
There is still debate among owners about whether one or the other is better in terms of handling and accuracy, but a majority feel that there is no substantive difference other than cosmetic (at least in 336; in more precision rifles, it may indeed matter). Based on images on Marlin's lever guns, the large majority of their current production models employ fore end caps.
"Rubber rifle butt pad" (recoil pad): Yes (C & SS) v. No (A & W)
Sling as original equipment (only on W)


As far as I can tell, the materials and workmanship of A, C & W are ostensibly equivalent with no differences in quality. (I'm still seeking definitive information about that, however.)

I wanted a birch stock because - after reading a lot of threads, reviews and web pages on wood, and talking with a woodworker friend - I learned that birch was harder than walnut even if not as aesthetically pleasing. (That said, I think my birch stock is beautiful with rich color and subtle markings.) I also wanted the fore end cap type barrel connection (in part to match my 39A, in part because so many of Marlin's current production lever guns are using that technology now), and in part just 'cause I liked it. :o

But it's clear from a thread entitled "Best Marlin 336 Mode (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=246919)l" that most still prefer 336C.

How about older models, no longer in production?

* 30AS (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=227427&highlight=336) (reportedly, the former is the "ancestor" of the current 336A)

* 336AS (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=227259&highlight=336)

* 336CS (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=209652&highlight=336)

* 336SC (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=219773&highlight=336) (sports carbine)

For those wanting a 336 with a straight stock (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=210119&highlight=336).

Also, here's a thread specifically on Marlin 336 in 35 Rem (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=243924&highlight=336).

More to come about dating (determining the age of :rolleyes: ) 336's; stocks; sights and scopes;
repair issues; modifications; ammo choices; ballistics; and other topics.

But right now, I gotta go to work for a while. :(

Nem

JustsayMo
February 25, 2007, 06:20 PM
I'd like to join if you'll have me.

I purchased my 336 for similar reasons, but didn't limit myself to one rifle caliber gun... Though, if I HAD to just pick one all purpose rifle, the 30-30 would be right at the top of the list. As close to a perfect general purpose rifle as I can imagine. I admire and respect the minimalist mindset. I just don't have the discipline or financial nessesity to do so.

I've had my 336 configured in a few variations. Scouted with the XS/Leupold scope and traditionally mounted scopes. I've also used the Williams peep and the as it came old style "BB gun" sights (mine's a pre semi buckhorn version). For now I settled on the stock opens that work well enough for me for anything I'd shoot with a 30-30. If I re-scope it (for open country) I will use the scout mount again as I very much like having the back-up sights available. I think the rifle balances better with the scout scope, no hammer spur is required and my best ever rifle groups were shot with this configuration.

On ammo; Factory 150s were more accurate than factory 170s in mine. Handloads performed well with both 150 & 170g. Hornady's offerings have been the best performers for me. With the huge variety of 308 caliber bullets available the possiblities are limited only by imagination. Even pointed bullets can be SINGLE loaded.

Another load that adds to the versatility of the 336 ( or any 30-30) is a cast 170gr bullet (I used Oregon Trail Laser Cast) pushed by a pistol powder. My best success has been with Red Dot but the others I tried did very well. This gives you a less noisey round for discrete vermin eradication and plinking and very low recoil. Accurate out to 50 yards (probably farther but I haven't tried). Lots of load data available at www.gmdr.com

mgh
February 25, 2007, 07:08 PM
I'm looking forward to participating. I'm researching 336's now. The info you have comparing the different models was very helpful. I'm thinking about the SS model, but a standard, no frills model A just seems to fit better.

Dave Markowitz
February 25, 2007, 07:25 PM
Happy member of the 336 cult club here. ;)

I don't have any pics yet, but back in the Fall I picked up a pre-1981 .30-30, pre-hammer block safety. I added a Williams receiver sight and Firesight front bead. I also added an Eagle Industries stock pack (http://www.eagleindustries.com/prd_detail.asp?ProdID=53&searchfield=stock+pack&Submit2=Search) to carry a few extra rounds of ammo and maybe a small cleaning kit or survival kit. (The main reason I went with the Eagle pack is that it's available in LH persuasion.)

Finally, it wears a British surplus L1A1 sling using Uncle Mike's 1.25" sling swivels.

My primary use for this rifle will be for deer hunting in Penn's Woods, but with a secondary SHTF role.

xd9fan
February 25, 2007, 07:46 PM
I have a NP3 coated 336SS......cool club

_N4Z_
February 25, 2007, 07:46 PM
Dave, where did you get the Williams/Firesight set up? I've looked around the OKC area but have never found one on a shelf. Did you order it?

I assume it works well yes?

Nematocyst
February 25, 2007, 07:49 PM
Happy member of the 336 cult club here. ;) LOL! :D

Oh, good one, Dave. Thanks. Best laugh of the day so far.

Welcome to you, fiVe, .45Guy, mgh, xd9fan, and 'Mo.

(Sorry, Scrat. :( We're not trying to be mean. Someone should start a Win 94 Club. That fine, venerable rifle deserves a club of it's own. But you're still welcome to hang out here and learn about 336's. Who knows, you might even wind up buying one to go with that 94. :D )

OK, now I've really got to go to work. :uhoh:

Dave Markowitz
February 25, 2007, 09:58 PM
Dave, where did you get the Williams/Firesight set up? I've looked around the OKC area but have never found one on a shelf. Did you order it?

I assume it works well yes?

I ordered it from MidwayUSA. I have yet to shoot it with this setup but the sight picture is very good.

JustsayMo
February 25, 2007, 10:06 PM
I had the Williams with the firesight on mine. Great sight picture and visability but mine printed very high even with the rear sight adjusted all the way down. Newer Marlins might be different.

Another thing I didn't like about the firesight was it does take up a lot of space in the sight picture. That made precision aiming difficult. With the Ghost ring (appeture removed) I was better but I had equal or better groups with the stock open sights.

A higher front sight would solved it but I didn't try. YMMV

Brassman
February 26, 2007, 12:18 AM
Just saw the post over on the 642 Club.
I sure am glad you started this 336 Club. I have two 336's, one of each caliber, .30-30 and 35 Remington. Both are very accurate, especially the 35. I mostly use my own reloads. The .30-30 loves the Speer 100 gr. plinker over IMR 4064, and clover-leafs at 25 yards. The 35 loves 158 gr. LSWC (I know that's a 38sp or .357 mag. bullet, but it works fine), also over IMR 4064. I have kept both of these with iron sights, but may eventually have to scope them due to my older eyes not seeing as well. These have a little brother in a 39A, which I have already scoped with a Simmons 3X9. It's gonna be good to to read about all their lever-action cousins now. Thanks for starting the show!:)

mattw
February 26, 2007, 12:18 AM
I think the Marlin appeals to me because it would be something that I wouldn't feel bad about messing with

Seeing scopes on winchester '94s makes me realize just how true this statement I made earlier was. Putting a scope on a '94 is evil! You ruin the lines of that classic rifle. Real cowboys never had glass!

I'll buy a Marlin 336 with a pistol grip stock to put a scope on. :neener:

ReadyontheRight
February 26, 2007, 01:32 AM
As a proud owner of two 336s in 30-30, I'd like to join the club.

I just read recently that the 336 is an even better firearm than I realized because you can remove the bolt and clean from the breech. Does anyone have the detailed description of how to do this?

Nematocyst
February 26, 2007, 01:48 AM
Matt, I'm thinking I'll put a Leupold 2.5X 28mm scout scope on this one.

Brass & Ready, welcome to the club.

Brass, I bought my 39A a week before my 336A arrived.
What an amazingly sweet gun.

Ready, here's a reasonable THR thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=135763) that'll help you get that bolt out.
I've done it once already (before I shot it the first time),
and it was easier than taking down my 39A.

Logan5
February 26, 2007, 02:24 AM
Hmm... as far as I can recall, I've got a 336 CS, a 336 RC, and a Marlin-Glenfield 30 GT. I'll have to get some photos of each for comparison. According to the intertron, they date from 1989, 1948, and 1980. I'm not sure that's correct, or I'd try to add a "how to figure out the year of manufacture" post.

I used the Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_336) for the Marlins, but apparently with the Marlin-Glenfields, one subtracts the first two digits of the SN from 2000 after approximately 1970?

chorlton
February 26, 2007, 10:53 AM
Nematocyst-870 - thanks for the info on all the 336 variants. I was all set to go with the 336c, and didnt realise the others were made from Birch (havent looked close enough to see the grain yet). I'm not really a fan of the gold trigger on the C either (or the price tag) so I'm going to have a re-think. I'm also into the minimalist thing, and hope to end up with the 336, and 870 and my beloved SP101. I think those three cover most needs (and match my wallet!).

Sistema1927
February 26, 2007, 11:04 AM
I guess that I am eligible to join all of the clubs! (See, dear, there really is a good reason to own so many guns. :) )

My 1975 vintage 336 is the "bees knees" with a set of XS Ghost Ring sights.

JustsayMo
February 26, 2007, 11:21 AM
Readyontheright,
Disassembly is very easy on the 336, 1895,1894 and basicly the same.

1-Make sure the rifle is unloaded! Duh...
2-I lay it on it's left side on a padded tabletop.
3-Pull hammer back
4-Slightly open the lever. Enough that enough of the bolt projects beyond the receiver to grab.
5-Unscrew the lever retention screw. USE the CORRECT size screwdriver!
6-Pull lever out.
7-Pull bolt out
8-Remove ejector spring (a little "V" shaped piece) that is compressed by the bolt and fits in a little groove. There is some variation in style of springs but they are all basicly the same. Note it's location. In some there is a little hole and the spring has a knub tha fits in it. Others there is just an area machined out and the ejector sits on top. It self aligns.

Reassembly- just as easy. Just make sure the ejector is aligned in the reciever and in the groove on the left side of the bolt.
Slide the bolt in most of the way. DON'T force it. It goes in fairly easy when aligned.
Replace lever, align the holes
Replace the screw.

Ready for more shootin'

Z_Infidel
February 26, 2007, 11:26 AM
Count me in! I own two 336 models, both in .30-30.

My 336C has been customized by Mic McPherson: barrel shortened, mag tube also shortened and barrel band replaced with hanger (the gun has a similar look to a Guide Gun only with pistol grip stock), action job, "through-bolt" system and tune-up for accuracy. What a sweet handling little carbine this gun is! Mic does nice work and is a pleasure to do business with.

I also have a 336XLR that is stock except for the sights. This rifle was plenty accurate right out of the box and the barrel and mag tube lengths are already the way I like them so I see no need to modify it. I truly believe the laminate stocks have a positive effect on the gun's accuracy. I haven't tried the LeveRevolution ammo, but it shoots regular .30-30 ammo just fine.

Both of these rifles have XS Ghost Ring sights installed. I find they provide very quick sight alignment and are visible in most light conditions. They are also well made and durable.

Overall, I'd say the 336 models fill the role they were designed for very well. Plus, they're downright fun to shoot!

JustsayMo
February 26, 2007, 11:27 AM
Tip: That closed cell foam packing sheeting that is used to protect items inside the box for shipping works GREAT for padding the table top and protecting the table and rifle. It's grippy, wipes up clean and no solvent I use has harmed it. Folds up for easy storage.

I use a rifle length strip folded in half lengthwise.

Essex County
February 26, 2007, 02:16 PM
I'll jump into the pool also. I've had eight or ten over the years in 30-30, 32 Special and .35 Remington. Just passed on an early '50s .32 on to my son as it was his grandfathers. This leaves me with a Marlin .44 Magnum as my only leaver gun. I have been making the rounds of my local shops looking for a 336C with just the right amount of patina. It'll show up sooner or later and I'll pounce..........Essex

Hokkmike
February 26, 2007, 02:42 PM
Just to stir discussion......

Except to get the western flavor, or maybe to pick up one of the "shortie" levers, I can see no advantage to owning a 336. MAYBE as a saddle gun they are superior, but for other hunting applications give me a bolt! (I have owned and shot many levers in my lifetime) My first ever gun was a Win. model 94 in .32 special. I do believe the Marlins have that beat, however. But, to each, his own I suppose.

ugaarguy
February 26, 2007, 03:13 PM
Except to get the western flavor, or maybe to pick up one of the "shortie" levers, I can see no advantage to owning a 336.
Well in some areas you can't hunt with a semi and a levergun is unquestionably faster than a bolt gun. If you're hunting wild pigs you definetlly want quick follow up shot capability. Even in 30-30 a 336 holds 6 rounds in the tube vs. the 3 or 4 in a typical bolt gun's box magazine. 30-30 Win is also one of the most widely available ammo types out there. Even against a short bolt gun like a Model 7 or Model 70 a levergun handles faster for most people. Leverguns in general are just great all around firearms.
Do justly, love mercy and walk humbly
You might want to re-read your sig line.

Hokkmike
February 26, 2007, 04:12 PM
ugaarguy....my post is all in fun. Not meant to mean spirited.

oregonhunter
February 26, 2007, 05:45 PM
Hokkmike
The reason I have my marlin is because it is fun to shoot and cheap to shoot. I also love it for the woods of oregon especially when I need to get down and dirty in the thick woods. Why would I bring my $1500 rifle into those thick woulds in the rain just to get it damaged, Besides I would never need to take a shot out of my 30-30's range in them woods. If I am in central oregon were there are open spaces I'll bring my 30-06.

Bob79
February 26, 2007, 05:47 PM
I bought a Marlin 336A several months back, and have yet to fire it. This is my first rifle ever, and if I like it I've already told myself I'm getting a matching 1894C to go with all my S&W revolvers in 357. The 336A cost me only $330 shipped, transferred, etc, and that was NIB so it's a good deal to me. I'm going to an outdoor range w/ a friend once the weather breaks, got about 300 rounds of different ammo, including one box of the new Hornady leverevolution ammo.

Nematocyst
February 26, 2007, 05:57 PM
...my post is all in fun. Not meant to mean spirited.Hokkmike, that's cool. :cool:

I hope this thread is gonna be a ton of fun.

But, you have to admit, without emoticons, your question was kinda like walking into a western Wyoming bar late on Friday night, at a crossroads in ranch country, with a bunch of F-250's and 350's parked outside, and shouting "Except to get the western flavor, I can see no advantage to owning an F-X50. I'd rather own a dump truck."

I'd make sure you're smiling in a joking way when you say it,
and I suggest immediately ordering the next round of pitchers. :D :p

Seriously, though, it did what you intended: it stirred up a relevant discussion. (Thanks for that. ;) )

Why do we like 336 so much?

I'd start with what Uga said - full agreement from me. I can add a few more thoughts as well,
but I'm at work (or need to be :uhoh: ), so I'll hold off on that part.

One last point though relevant to my decision to get a 336 as my main center fire rifle given the fact that .30-30 has been criticized for decades as "inadequate". The idea has been perpetuated that if you ain't got an XD-900 bolt gun in .503 magnum, you ain't got squat.

Here's a thread - called "Why do some guys bad mouth the .30-30? (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=235558&highlight=30-30)"
- that convinced me to quit listening to the critics and buy one.
It's not just about 336s, of course, but relates to why
I see a decided advantage to owning a 336 in .30-30.

Nem

B.D. Turner
February 26, 2007, 08:16 PM
Count me in. The 336 has to be in the top 5 guns sold in the US. I never plan to be without one.
The last man walking planet earth will have a 336 Marlin in his hand.

D-Man
February 26, 2007, 08:28 PM
How is the 336 different from the 1894 series? Is it just that the 336's are chambered in a larger rifle caliber?

Dr.Rob
February 26, 2007, 08:56 PM
The 336 Bolt is round, and fully supported in the receiver. The 1894 has a flat bolt that relies on a lot less metal. The 336 is much stonger.

FXR
February 26, 2007, 09:22 PM
Oh man...you guys are killing me. I used to own a 336 but in a fit of stupidity I sold it. Now I have to buy another one.

Great rifles! I'm envious.

.45Guy
February 26, 2007, 09:41 PM
Can we start a subgroup for 36 owners as well?

WJR
February 26, 2007, 11:06 PM
I have a Marlin Spikehorn or 336Y. I love the shorter barrel. I have XS sights on it, next step is the XS scope mount and Leupold Scout scope.

Count me in as a member of the club.

WJR

tubeshooter
February 27, 2007, 09:00 PM
Obligatory club member post....


I have a peep sight and a green fiber-optic front. Works pretty good. Definitely one of my classier guns. And to think I was considering selling! Glad I didn't.


Can we start a subgroup for 36 owners as well?


As far as I'm concerned, you are "grandfathered" in already.... :cool:
But if you want your own subgroup, that's fine too.

evil_brother
February 27, 2007, 09:32 PM
http://photos-010.ak.facebook.com/ip002/v65/86/110/1251870207/n1251870207_30009010_5970.jpg

Ignore the model 60 and the NEF, the other two are 336's in 35rem and 30-30. Beat that.

ReadyontheRight
February 27, 2007, 11:18 PM
Here are my 336 RCs.:)

Both 30-30. Top one is light and handy, bottom one is heavier and has an awesome trigger.

Nematocyst
February 28, 2007, 02:25 AM
Not only is this my busiest week in months, but yesterday, my ISP service blinked out for 24 hrs.

Good to be back.

Nice to see the club levering along. Welcome to all the new members.

.45Guy, I agree with Tube: 36 is the ancestor, and is automatically part of this thread.

Here's a nice page on Marlin history (http://www.leverguns.com/articles/fryxell/marlin_history.htm). The following quote is from it.

In 1949 the Model 36 was slightly redesigned, and re-introduced as the now familiar Model 336, which Marlin still makes today.

Legionnaire
February 28, 2007, 02:52 PM
Guess I'll jump in, since Nem linked my thread requesting info on straight-stocked 336s. My first centerfire rifle was a 336C given to me as a gift. I never really took to the curved pistol-grip stock, and eventually sold it to fund the purchase of a bolt gun. But for years after I regretted not having a .30-30 in the safe, so last year I started my research.

Net result is the 1960s vintage 336 RC shown in the pic (the other is a .44 Mag 1894S I recently replaced with an 1894C in .357 Mag). My 336 is set up with a Leupold 2.5X scout scope on an XS Sight Systems scout base. Backup sight is a Williams peep that I picked up second hand from a fellow enthusiast here on THR. Package came together nicely, and I took a nice 9-point buck with it this past season.

Sight-in/range report here. (http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=233495&highlight=lever+scout%2A)

Fred Fuller
March 1, 2007, 08:41 AM
Nem,

Have you made it to the range with your new 336 yet? Time to turn some powder into noise... .

Several Marlin leverguns here, to include a long-barreled 36 in .30-30, a 1975 vintage 336 .30-30 I had shortened to 18" with the magazine tube cut back to the forearm, and my most recent purchase- a 336RC made in 1951 with 'fat' walnut furniture and Ballard rifling.

And there's the odd duck of the 336 family- a .44 Magnum that was a gift from my FIL. Apparently the stubby pistol round didn't work too well in the long action, so it was a short-lived offering ( http://home.awesomenet.net/~ranch-dog/Firearms/33644/ ).

The 336 is a genuine American classic, an easy in the hand, easy to shoot, easy to care for design that will easily outlast a couple of generations or more given proper care. And they don't cost an arm and a leg either. What's not to like?

lpl/nc (336 Club Member since 1975)

WJR
March 2, 2007, 10:17 AM
BTT,

Anyone else have a scout setup on their 336?

Would love to see some more picks, especially a 336SS setup.

WJR

Airborne Falcon
March 2, 2007, 12:02 PM
Great thread - lots of info.

That first 336 pic is a Wally World purchase correct? They have good deals going on them now, I just hate buying from Wally World - but it is tough to pass up.

I've got a couple of 336s, one in 30/30 and one in 35 Remington that is one of my favorite deer guns.

Got a Winney 94 too.

Count me in as someone who would participate in such a club. It's a good idea.

MinScout
March 2, 2007, 12:23 PM
I've been an unofficial "336 Club" member off and on for 30 years. My very first deer rifle was a Marlin 336 30-30 and I used it to shoot my first deer. I later sold it and used various other rifles, following the popular dictum that only bolt actions were suitable for serious hunting. I knew better. Late last summer I spotted a handsome 70s vintage Marlin 336 30-30 at a gunshow and bought it. I also had a little steel-bodied 4X Leupold Alaskan scope lying around which seemed like a perfect match for my new "deer gitter". I used the combination with sucess last fall, bagging a fork-horned buck. If I buy another 336, it will probably be the new .308 model. I'm still waiting for reviews on that one.

Here's a pic of my "new" Marlin and the Leupold scope.

ReadyontheRight
March 2, 2007, 02:10 PM
Is it difficult to set up a 336 in a scout configuration? Anyone have directions or a link to the parts to do so? Seems like a great combination.

Z_Infidel
March 2, 2007, 03:23 PM
Is it difficult to set up a 336 in a scout configuration? Anyone have directions or a link to the parts to do so? Seems like a great combination.

Go here:

http://www.xssights.com/store/scope.html

I use the same company's Ghost Ring sights.

JNewell
March 2, 2007, 09:23 PM
Joined this club several years ago when I wandered into the local and found a really nice, clean 336RC from '52 or '53 with an old steel Lyman receiver sight on it for $175. I figured the sight alone was worth half the total and bought in on the spot, on general principle. I haven't shot it much, but it does seem to string vertically a lot.

A few random notes. Mic McPherson's book "Accurizing the Factory Rifle" has a bunch of chapters on making these shoot well, and he wrote several good articles in The Accurate Rifle on the same topic.

There's also a book on the Marlin 1936 and successors that's very good. I'll look up the title and post here, maybe with a pic of the 1950-something RC. It is a really nice rifle...has an almost between-the-wars look and feel.

squid8286
March 2, 2007, 11:19 PM
I have two 336's, a 336, and a 336 CS (crossbolt safety.) I also have a pre-64 Model '94, and I favor the Marlins over it. The Marlin seems simpler than the Winchester, and stronger as well. Lots easier to maintain and keep clean. I think it would be simpler for a firearms "novice" to operate in a survival situation than for example, an FAL/HK/AK etc. One of the best all around rifles in existance.

JNewell
March 3, 2007, 08:56 AM
The book is Doug Murray's The 336: A Collectors Reference on the Model 336 Marlin.

I've attached some pictures of my 336. The serial number prefix is G, which should make it a 1950 rifle. The grain figure in the buttstock is very nice, though I'm not sure the steel buttplate is original.

4fingermick
March 3, 2007, 09:26 AM
Here's my only 336, It is a 1977 built 444S:

http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k228/4fingermick/Leverguns/marlin444S.jpg

I also have a 30A Glenfield that I will pick up from the gunstore on Monday.

I'd be careful about dividing off to a lot of clubs. The Marlin Owners board are a big one for this, started out with the 444 club as far as I can tell and went from there. You have to navigate between the various clubs. Kinda like kids building cubby houses. I got busy looking after my wife and cut down the time I spent on the net I did't notice it until now, but I haven't visited the Marlin Owners site for a long time.

Maybe a lever guns page and a bolt rifle page, but next thing the military rifle shooters and the single shot shooters and the Ruger shooters and the Remington roughnecks and the Winchester #ankers and the beat goes on.

My opinion, but like bums, every one has one :D

Mick.

JustsayMo
March 3, 2007, 12:45 PM
I watched the Marlin Owners big bore meltdown from a distance. Pretty silly but in this case I believe Nem is just trying to gather and condence 336 (and varients) data and info for the benefit of 336 owners and potential owners.

I've found lots of good info here at the THR about the 336. Being able to do some 'one stop shopping' would be a nice bonus. The more range reports, load data and customization information the better!

Thanks Nema for kicking this off.

JNewell
March 3, 2007, 05:07 PM
Not quite sure how to read the posts above, but if it's helpful, the 444 and 1895 are in fact built on the 336 action, so perhaps they qualify? If yes, count me in again for an 1895. If not, forget I mentioned it and let's stay happy with what's here.

Nematocyst
March 3, 2007, 10:55 PM
OK, my week from hell :what: is officially over. :D

Just got home from "work" (a job away from the normal work space). Going to eat a much needed, well-deserved (even if I do say so myself) dinner, then try to get caught up on this thread (if I can stay awake after eating ... I'm short on sleep at the moment after the last few days). If not tonight, then tomorrow.

Glad you're all here. Welcome to all the new members. Interesting stuff posted since I checked in on Tuesday. Glad to see us levering along.

More soon...

Nem

Nematocyst
March 4, 2007, 01:21 AM
Roster of The 336 Club to date, in alphabetical order,
and based on ownership and/or interest in the concept of 336
(and related models, e.g., 1895 (?): see next post).

Name followed by suggested abbreviation to save keystrokes;
feel free to specify your own, and let me know if I left anyone out:

.45Guy (45)
_N4Z_ (N4Z)
Action_Can_Do (ACD)
Applekev (Apple)
B.D. Turner (BD)
Bob79 (Bob)
Brassman (Brass)
Chorlton (Chorl)
CrackerJim (CJ)
Dave Markowitz (Dave)
D-Man (D)
Dr.Rob (DR)
Essex County (Esx)
FastFrank (FF)
fiVe (fiVe)
FXR (FXR)
Grizz (Grizz)
Hokkmike (Hok)
JNewell (JNew)
JustsayMo (Mo)
Logan5 (Lo5)
mattw (Matt)
mgh (Mgh)
Nematocyst-870 (Nem)
oregonhunter (OH)
ReadyontheRight (Ready)
scrat (Scrat)
Sistema1927 (S’tema)
tubeshooter (Tube)
ugaarguy (Uga)
VMIRat1995 (VMI)
Waywatcher (WW)
WJR (WJR)
xd9fan (XD9)
Z_Infidel (Z)

Nematocyst
March 4, 2007, 01:42 AM
Have you made it to the range with your new 336 yet?Only once, Lee.

I took it to the club a few days after acquisition just to shoot it.

I was pleased by the recoil = not much for so much medium-sized game dropper.

Iron sights worked well enough for 25 to 50 m, but suffered at 100m.

(My crystal ball sez, "Leupold scout scope on XS scout scope mount (http://www.xssights.com/store/scope.html) with XS GR (http://www.xssights.com/store/rifle.html) or aperture backups".)

Mic McPherson's book Accurizing the Factory Rifle (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=573735) has a bunch of chapters on making these shoot well...Ah, nice. Will check it out.

One of the best all around rifles in existence.Seconded.

I believe Nem is just trying to gather and condense 336 (and variants) data and info for the benefit of 336 owners and potential owners.

I've found lots of good info here at the THR about the 336. Being able to do some 'one stop shopping' would be a nice bonus. The more range reports, load data and customization information the better!Ditto that.

Not quite sure how to read the posts above, but if it's helpful, the 444 and 1895 are in fact built on the 336 action, so perhaps they qualify? If yes, count me in again for an 1895. If not, forget I mentioned it and let's stay happy with what's here.Hmm. Interesting proposition.

I suspected this issue would arise.

I could go either way on it myself, depending on what others say.

I confess: if (no, probably when) I buy another lever gun, it'll probably be an 1895G in .45/70 (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/bigbore/1895G.aspx).
(If only they had a pistol grip...maybe they will by the time I'm ready to buy, just before a move to Alaska (http://www.gi.alaska.edu/~truffer/pictures/ResearchAlaska/yanert.jpg)...)

Yes, it could be a 336XLR (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/xlr/336.aspx), or one of those new fangled .308MX (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/Centerfire/308MX.aspx),
but - if I had to put money on it now - I'd say more likely an 1895G,
especially since it's based on a 336 action.
(After JNew mentioned that, I double checked the Marlin pages.
That seems to me that's a correct assertion.)

The Marlin 1894's (http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/1894Centerfire/1894.aspx) are a different beast, and I'd vote to let them have a separate synthesis thread.

But the 1895's could fit here.

What say the club members?

{Added the next morning by edit: Let's hold off for a while on discussing 1895's too much before we decide whether it's appropriate or not for this thread. As someone points out on the next page, one of the defining characteristics of 336 is the caliber: .30-30 (and of course, .35). It may be too much of a divergence to explicitly try to include a lot of 1895 big bore discussion in this thread, particularly with respect to using this thread as a clearing house for information for 1895's as is our goal for 336. I'm NOT saying that 1895's shouldn't be mentioned, or even involved in stories in this thread. Personally, I think that's fine. I'm just not sure that we will serve the focus of the thread by opening up too much discussion on 1895's. But this is a club thread, not just mine, so let's see what members' opinions are. Thanks.}

Nem

Action_Can_Do
March 4, 2007, 02:08 AM
Every male member of my family owns a 35 remington in Marlin 336. Except me:( . Later in the year I will. Don't know if I'm disqualified from the club because of that.

Nematocyst
March 4, 2007, 02:16 AM
Don't know if I'm disqualified from the club because of that.ACD, IMO, that shouldn't disqualify you from the club.

I just modified the club roster in post #68 to reflect membership status as:
1) owners, or 2) those interested in the 336 concept.

I've added your name to that roster.

PS: Welcome to senior membership in THR, gained with your 100th post...right here in the 336 club. :)

MikeWSC
March 4, 2007, 02:36 AM
Hello fellas,

As I rolled down the posts I saw some pretty hardwear. I like your all black rescued pawn shop "find"! I'll take some pics of my 336 CS ( in .35 Rem) and Marlin Lever .22 .
Had a .444 that I refinished along with the 336, had em' set up to look like a matched set: scoped, w/see thru mounts, shell holders and matching slings.
They looked good together.:D
Swapped the .444 for a 6.5 x 06....... sure do miss her.

Nematocyst
March 4, 2007, 02:42 AM
I'll take some pics of my 336 CS ( in .35 Rem) and 39A.Mike, welcome to the club.

We may have to create a 39A club as well. :cool:

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54091&d=1172651793

grizz
March 4, 2007, 02:46 AM
Well, count me in the club. I've got a 336 XLR 30-30. It's one of the newer 24" stainless jobs. So far I love this rifle. It's topped with a Nikon 3-9 x40, so in combination with the added barrel length it's no longer an extremely handy rifle, but it is quite accurate. Actually, it shoots better than my two bolt rifles!

My next purchase will be a 1894 in .44 mag, blued, without a scope. Not this month though, I just blew $160 on custom leather for my XD-45!

Marlins sure are great rifles.

applekev
March 4, 2007, 03:21 AM
I see Walmart has the 336A listed on the web sight at $310.22, that seems like a real bargain.:eek: Might just have to order one.

Nematocyst
March 4, 2007, 03:31 AM
Apple,

You will be assimilated.

:evil:

I bought my 336A from my local (~30 blocks from my studio) gun shop for ~$340.
They've been in business since 1980; I wanted to support them.

But whether from Wally or another shop, just do it.

;) :cool:

Action_Can_Do
March 4, 2007, 05:45 AM
Thank you, Nematocyst. I really have been planning on buying one for some time now, but this particular year was a rough one fiscally speaking. My grandfather has a 336 that he has owned since the early 60s and I've always thought it had a beautiful profile. It's fun to shoot too. It's his favorite deer gun. Over the years, he has tried switching to other rifles and different calibers. He always switches back. I've always loved lever-action rifles and I'd take the Marlins over the Winchesters anyday.

JNewell
March 4, 2007, 09:00 AM
On this matter:

I confess: if (no, probably when) I buy another lever gun, it'll probably be an 1895G in .45/70.
(If only they had a pistol grip...maybe they will by the time I'm ready to buy, just before a move to Alaska...)

I have done this conversion. It is not hard, but it takes a little hoofwork because the parts are scarce. I'll see if I can post a picture of my "converted" 1895. I replaced the forend and thinned it out. I replaced the finger lever and trigger plate with a pistol grip set, replaced the buttstock with an uncheckered PG buttstock and installed a Limbsaver pad. Between the pad and the pistol grip, IMO, recoil and rifle management in general is greatly improved - but not everyone would agree and some don't like the resulting appearance. Different strokes...

B.D. Turner
March 4, 2007, 09:57 AM
The Marlin 336 has to be one of the most loved american rifles ever built. The 336 fits me like no other rifle I have ever owned and I have owned most everything out there without exception. When I grab it my eyes just fall into the sights and right on target it's so natural to carry and use. The accuracy of the 336 is on par with many bolt action rifles. Many users get 1" or better groups using factory ammo. The 336 is 50 states legal and does not call unwanted attention to the person who carries it. As a self defense rifle the 336 holds seven rounds of potent ammunition. The 336 can be loaded on the go as you shoot and is always at the ready. Try doing this with an SKS, garand or bolt action with an enblock clip. While the 336 will never replace the M4 for our military it is a fine rifle to defend your home in LA or farm in Texas against anything that walks. As a hunting rifle the 336 has taken all north american game and many african game animals. Yes deer, elk, moose and bear were taken before the invention of the super magnum rounds. And before you flame me yes there are better rounds for big game these days the point remains that the 336 did it then and can still do it now. Out in the country any mom-n-pop store has a couple of boxes of 30-30 on the shelf. There will be no shortage of 30-30 ammo based on an import hold up like there is with the communist block ammo. The LE ammo from Hornady has opened the door even more for the 336 and it's potential is still to be discovered as hunters take it to the field. Yes the 336 is alot of rifle.

Dave Markowitz
March 4, 2007, 10:17 AM
LINK. (http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob95.html)

JustsayMo
March 4, 2007, 10:31 AM
I have no strong feelings either way about including the 1895's in the 336 club. I have three 1895's (GS, CB & the plain 1895) myself and I'm a complete big bore addict. I even have a big bore blog... http://bigbored.onfinite.com/

Care and cleaning is essentially the same. Sight systems are interchangeable.

That being said, one of the defining and most desireable characteristics of the 336 is the ammunition it uses. The 30-30 and the 35 are GREAT general purpose rounds capable of taking a wide spectrum of game ethically at ranges within the skill of the average rifleman. The ammo (and the rifle) are very portable, versatile and ecconomical to shoot.

There is a lot of overlap with the big bore 1895s but (lack of) ecconomy of the ammo and it's weight are not shared.

For hunting I prefer the 45-70, the 1895GS is THE perfect hunting rifle in my (not so humble) opinion. If I was outposted on the frontier and could only have one, I believe the 30-30 would be a more versatile choice.

PG 1895's; Marlin did make a 444 called the "Outfitter" in a pistol grip guide gun configuration. I've always wanted one... A member at our club also prefers the PG and simply had his barrel shortened on his plain Jane 1895... Wow is that a great looking carbine and he said the cost was very reasonable as no magazine shortening was required.

Fred Fuller
March 4, 2007, 10:39 AM
http://militaryimages.net/forums/showthread.php?p=18021

I can vouch for the tale of "Mad Dog" Jerry Shriver and his big bore Marlin second hand. Heard the story originally at the NCO Club on Ft. Bragg from John Plaster, who knew Shriver in SOG.

lpl/nc

JustsayMo
March 4, 2007, 12:03 PM
I posted this over at MO but it might be a good reference for those who carry leverguns in the field while wearing a pack. I will delete if this is off topic.

Last year during Elk season I had a sling malfuction that resulted in me carrying the rifle without it. Luckily the 1895 GS guide gun is about as easy carrying rifle as they make.

This year I've decided to seek an alternative and I just might have found it. The Kifaru Gun Bearer (KGB) ( http://www.kifaru.net/GUNBEAR.HTM ) is a product that allows hands free carry while wearing a pack. I recently aquired one and have only briefly tested it here at the "Wet Dog Ranch." My first impression is favorable.

Details:
The product is VERY well constructed with the heaviest duty velcro I have ever seen. The velcro belt and shoulder strap attachments allow for a wide latitude of widths and angles of attachement to your pack(s). The shoulder strap quick release is a plastic clamp that the nylon webbing feeds easily and holds securely. It releases quietly (not silently), easily and quickly. Rifle pulls free of the stock cuff easily. There are no unprotected buckles or edges to mar your rifle.

I started out with the Gun Bearer on my right side, lever back, rifle angled slightly forward 15-20*. It carried well, securely without interference while hiking or crawling. Sitting required adjustment or rifle removal just as it would with a sling.

I switched the Gun Bearer to the left side and found it more comfortable and didn't obstruct my vision as much (I am right eye dominate). Again I carried the rifle, lever back. I belive with a bolt rifle the bolt handle may restrict your choices and comfort to a bolt outboard position but I have yet to test it. The levergun seems ideal for this set up as the contact points are all on the wood, stock on side of hip and forarm along side of chest inside the arm.

I am still tweaking the adjustment as to height and angle. More testing will be required to find the optimal. At this time I'm finding that I like the butt sleeve to be attached at or very near the bottom of the shoulder strap and the forarm/barrel end strapped tight to the shoulder strap, the rifle angled sightly forward.

So far this has proven to be a very secure method of transporting a rifle. Standing while glassing, hiking and crawling the rifle it held fast and hands free. It did not interfere with other tasks.

The left side carry did interfere with my normal crossdraw pistol carry. I will have to address that later.

I have not tested this yet but I suspect it will work well while riding a mountain bike. One of my favorite hunting tactics is to find a gate that blocks motorized access and then ride my bike beyond the hordes of hunters. I stash the bike and then begin my own hunt with little contact with other hunters. I had used this technique while handgun hunting as I had not found a satisfactory way to transport a rifle. I believe the Kifaru Gun Bearer might be the solution.

As for muzzle control (ALWAYS keep your muzzle pointed in a safe direction) I believe it is at least as safe as a sling. A traditionally carried rifle, slung and muzzle up mitigates (accidentally) sweeping your hunting partners except for when traveling inline down a steep trail. The KGB will sweep your hunting partners when traveling uphill in single file though.

The Pack I have used for this test is a Camelbak Striker. A very basic but highly functional pack. I have not tested with a frame pack yet.

I have only tested lever action rifles so far with barrels up to 20".

electrode1998
March 4, 2007, 01:32 PM
I could go for a 336 club. I bought a 336A this year myself and I love it. I had to replace an older Marlin 30-30 I sold 15 years ago since I was unemployed and needed the money. I have kicked myself ever since. Now I am looking at customizing it out with a camo stock, XS ghost sights and a scout scope. Hopefully when I get done it will be even a sweeter deer gun than it is now.

By the way I LOVE the new hornady ammo.

electrode1998
March 4, 2007, 01:45 PM
I have a Marlin 336 A. I love it as is but I am looking at a couple of changes to tweek it a bit.
Has anyone removed the stock sights and installed the XS ghost ring sights?
Also has anyone installed the scout scope base and scout scope on the barrel-just front of the receiver?
Finally I am looking at geting a ram-line camo stock to finish the look out. The factory stock is perfect but I go deer hunting with this gun and I don't want to mess up the wood stock if I happen to drop it. Plus I like the look of a camo stock on this particular gun.

Nematocyst
March 4, 2007, 03:28 PM
one of the defining and most desirable characteristics of the 336 is the ammunition it uses. The 30-30 and the 35 are GREAT general purpose rounds capable of taking a wide spectrum of game ethically at ranges within the skill of the average rifleman. The ammo (and the rifle) are very portable, versatile and economical to shoot.

There is a lot of overlap with the big bore 1895s but (lack of) economy of the ammo and it's weight are not shared.Mo, you make a good point there.

I actually woke up this morning thinking about this issue, in terms of what I wrote last night about the suggestion to open this thread to discussions about 1895's since the latter are based on the same action. At the time, I said I have no objection.

On some reflection after sleep, I'm second guessing myself on that.

I just added the following by edit to my post #69 on page 3:

"Let's hold off for a while on discussing 1895's too much before we decide whether it's appropriate or not for this thread. As [Mo] points out on [this page] page, one of the defining characteristics of 336 is the caliber: .30-30 (and of course, .35). It may be too much of a divergence to explicitly try to include a lot of 1895 big bore discussion in this thread, particularly with respect to using this thread as a clearing house for information for 1895's as is our goal for 336. I'm NOT saying that 1895's shouldn't be mentioned, or even involved in stories in this thread. Personally, I think that's fine. I'm just not sure that we will serve the focus of the thread by opening up too much discussion on 1895's. But this is a club thread, not just mine, so let's see what members' opinions are. Thanks."
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Just to be clear, I'm still open to the possibility of including 1895's in this club, but I don't think we should open discussion of them too fast until we evaluate whether its a good idea.

Maybe there should be a separate 1895 club dedicated to that gun specifically. I'd almost certainly join such a club since I have interest in them.

OK, I'm off to the range for a while :) before the rain starts again.

Nem

fiVe
March 4, 2007, 05:15 PM
The Marlin 336 has to be one of the most loved american rifles ever built. The 336 fits me like no other rifle...........The 336 can be loaded on the go as you shoot and is always at the ready..............The LE ammo from Hornady has opened the door even more for the 336 and it's potential is still to be discovered as hunters take it to the field. Yes the 336 is alot of rifle.

B.D.: post #79 ("summarized" above) is spot on. I could not have said it better myself.




Nem: I'm really likin' it here. This thread is destined to become a great 336/.30-30/lever resource.

Happy member,
fiVe

TexAg
March 4, 2007, 07:28 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46507&d=1161127502
On the right, the other two are 1894s in .45
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=46507&d=1161127502

JustsayMo
March 4, 2007, 09:25 PM
TexAg that is one fine collection! If you ever decide to part with any one of em... email me! ;)

WJR
March 4, 2007, 11:24 PM
Very nice, TexAG. A 336SS will be in my collection one day.

WJR

Z_Infidel
March 5, 2007, 10:54 AM
electrode1998-
Yes -- as I've mentioned above, I have the XS Ghost Ring sights on both my 336C and 336XLR. They are easy to install, well made, and visible in most light conditions.

By the way, there are advantages to the scout setup but low-light visibility isn't one of them.

Nematocyst
March 5, 2007, 03:57 PM
Z,

I'm still considering a set of XS GR's (mostly as backup; I'm betting a dollar that I'll scout scope it, too).

But, how do you find the accuracy with the ghost rings at, say, 100 m? I understand that they are superior for fast shots in close (maybe 50?), but am wondering how good they'd be at 100 or over.

KMBRTAC45
March 5, 2007, 04:02 PM
Hello, my name is KMBRTAC45 and I am a 336aholic. I last used my 336cs in 30-30 w/a Tasco 3x9 scope to shoot a whitetail in northern MI in november '06. I've been a 336aholic for 21 years(14th birthday, so I got addicted early. Stepdad is my enabler:evil: ) and have NO plans to cure my addiction any time soon.

Thank you for helping me thru my addiction.:D

Z_Infidel
March 5, 2007, 04:59 PM
Nem, with my shortened 336C it's pretty easy to keep my shots in the black on a typical bullseye target at 60 yards. I wouldn't hesitate to take a shot at deer-size game at 60-70 yards off-hand, and a little further with a good rest. That rifle is ideal for quick shots out to 50 yards or so.

The XLR is a bit easier to shoot accurately out beyond 75 yards, and I think it's the result of the rifle's inherent accuracy combined with the longer sight radius. I would say a 100 yard shot at a deer would be well within reason with a good rest or sitting position.

For anything beyond 100 yards or so I would rather use a low power scope mounted in the traditional fashion. I have a scoped .30-06 bolt gun for that. The XLR will certainly shoot accurately well beyond 100 yards, but the reason I like lever guns is mostly for their handling characteristics so I've decided not to scope mine.

JustsayMo
March 5, 2007, 08:55 PM
Nem, If your ghost ring is threaded you can simply screw in a smaller sized appeture to meet your accuracy needs. Alternatively you can unscrew your peep sight appeture and make it into a ghost ring.

As an example you could use a small(est) apeture for target work and load development, a sligthly larger (mid-sized) for most field work or remove it completely when your hunting black bear in scrub alder thicket.

Don't you just love how versatile this rifle can be?

electrode1998
March 5, 2007, 10:15 PM
Z, Thanks for the info on XS sights and scout scopes. It looks like Nem and I are planning some of the same modifications to our 336A's. I'll let ya'll know how mine comes out. Right now I am planning or leaning twords a nice set of XS sights and probably the leupold 2.5 28 scout scope since it has a 9+ inch eye relief.

magyars4
March 5, 2007, 10:22 PM
texag,
tell me about the 45 colt?
is that a limited run? How does it shoot?
Thanks

TexAg
March 6, 2007, 01:50 AM
The short one or the long one? The long one is the 1894 Cowboy Limited, the short one is an 1894ssLtd. The SS was a short limited run of stainless 16", black laminated stocked 1894s that came in .357, .41, .44, and .45. They also came with Williams Firesights on them.
I have not shot the 1894ss much, but its plenty accurate so far at 25 yards and I am supirsed each time I heft it how short and sweet a gun it is and how "quick handling" that short barrel is.

BamBam-31
March 6, 2007, 03:35 AM
must....resist....no....more....spending.....:banghead:

Nematocyst
March 6, 2007, 04:56 AM
must....resist...Resistance is futile ...

Quickdraw Limpsalot
March 6, 2007, 09:42 AM
My 336cs in .35 Remington is my go-to, do-all, meat-stackin', woods-packin' companion. First rifle I ever bought and it'll be with me 'til I die, God willing.

How's that?

Brassman
March 6, 2007, 01:43 PM
Does anyone here know if the XS Ghost Ring sights mentioned earlier can be used on a 39A? I'd really like to take my scope off and use a sight like the XS Ghost ring. Then my favorite .22 won't look so much like a balerina carrying a backpack. I don't seem to need a scope on either of my 336's, but my groups at 25 yards suffering without the scope on the .22:confused:

Sistema1927
March 6, 2007, 02:02 PM
Yes, I have XS ghost rings on both my 39 A and my 336. For one of them (I can't remember which now) I needed a taller front sight post, but XS quickly supplied that for a phone call. These sights work great on both guns. If I didn't use my 1894C as a back-up for CAS I would slap a set of them on it as well.

MrDig
March 6, 2007, 02:13 PM
I have had a 336 for years now, it was my first Deer Rifle that I owned, as opposed to loaners.
Recently I purchased an 1894C in .357 hope that dosen't affect my membership in the 336 Club.

Duckbill
March 6, 2007, 02:46 PM
I'm a huge 336 fan. I have several 35Rem's, a 30-30, a M375, and always searching for the 336ER 356W. Would also like a 32Spc and a 219Zipper.

LotI
March 6, 2007, 03:13 PM
This should be a popular group...

I have a 336 made in '72 so no cross-bolt safety. I picked it up from a friend along with a Winchester in 44mag for $200. I sold the Winnie and kept the Marlin. I put a Williams receiver sight on it and love it.

My friend had no cleaning prowess so it was pretty fouled up. A week of soaking, scrubbing and patching with a couple heavy-duty cleaners revealed a clean bore and now it will do 2" groups. Smooth as butter action, too.

I have just started reloading and am having fun with lead bullets and 7 grains of Unique. Now I know why cowboy action is popular...bang shuck-shuck bang shuck-shuck bang...he he he!

Nematocyst
March 6, 2007, 07:37 PM
The number of "views" for this thread currently stands at 2,617.
That's second only to the sticky "THR Rifle Forum Reading Library".
(The library contains some good info, by the way; check it out sometime.)

I think that says a LOT about the interest in the venerable 336.
I'm proud (not to mention happy :D ) to own one. :cool:

Welcome to all the new members. Glad you're here. :)
I'll update the club roster this weekend.
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I'm lagging a bit behind on my responsibilities
(still trying to get caught up from a working weekend)
but I am reading with interest.

I hope tomorrow - my day off - to assemble
my second installment in a series on 336 information,
collecting information from THR archives and other web sources.

Since my next project is sights for my 336, I think I'll focus on sights for this one:
scopes (main focus on scout scopes), ghost rings, apertures, and even stock irons.

I've got a pretty good collection of stuff in my bookmarks folder for 336,
but I have little doubt that it's far from complete.

I'll include the stuff that's already been posted in here, along with other threads I've got bookmarked.

If you have some item, link or thread (THR or otherwise) that you think should be included or addressed in the summary, please post here or send me a PM. I'm very open to suggestions. I'm particularly keen to get recommendations about scopes, especially scout and non-scout scopes. (I haven't researched
the latter much, having focused mostly on scout scopes.)

Of course, I have no hold on the summary/synthesis essay niche.
Anyone can write their own at any time. The more the merrier.

Have a great 336 afternoon.

Nem

PS: Check the time stamp for this post. I couldn't resist ...
because resistance is futile! You will be assimilated into the 336 club! :evil:

PSS: Darn! I missed 3:36 PM by a minute. :(
I'll adjust my clock and try again another day.

JNewell
March 6, 2007, 09:13 PM
A couple of Marlin books, highly recommended:

Brophy, Marlin Firearms: A History of the Guns and the Company That Made Them (http://www.amazon.com/Marlin-Firearms-History-Guns-Company/dp/0811708772)

Murray, A Collectors Reference on the Model 336 Marlin

Marlin serial no. look-up at oldguns.net (http://oldguns.net/sn_php/marlinlookup.php)

davera
March 6, 2007, 09:33 PM
I have a 336 in 30-30. I don't hunt anymore and probably will not ... unless it became necessary. Every personal armory needs a 30-30 (just because) and the Marlin was my choice.

oregonhunter
March 6, 2007, 11:34 PM
Nem Were are you in the pacific northwest, I am in the portland area. Just because I was thinking of getting a THR/336 club shooting day going.

OH

TexAg
March 6, 2007, 11:54 PM
I used a Bushnell Trophey that I already had, but thought would be a perfect scope for this gun, its 1.5-4x with a circle around the crosshairs (can't recall the reticle name for this) that is perfect for quick shots, but also allows time for more precise longer shots. I used Leupold aluminum rings and base and it works perfectly. If I had the money, I would not do a scout scope, but rather maybe Leupold's newest quick disconnect base and rings that allow a supposed perfect re-zero. Scouts aren't for me, I prefer a more traditionally mounted scope and in the unlikelyhood that I would need to use irons if the scope was damaged I could use the adequate stock Marlin sights after taking off the standard scope.

Nematocyst
March 7, 2007, 02:04 AM
OH, I'm only a couple of hours out of PDX.

TexAg, I hear you about the scout. I'm not totally convinced it's the right choice for me, but something about it begs to be tried on this 336.

In fact, part of my motivation for scout is that the base for it occupies the front scope base holes on the receiver plus the dovetail for the rear irons. That leaves the rear scope base holes for a set of ghost rings, with which I'd replace the stock irons. (I can't hit squat past 50 yds with them anyway.)

XS makes a nice set up. Check out the scout scope/GR set up on this page (http://www.xssights.com/store/scope.html).

Z_Infidel
March 7, 2007, 11:49 AM
Nem, I really think that if what you are after is a very quick optical sighting system that allows you to keep both eyes open and have the scope mounted very low then the scout setup will be ideal. On the other hand, I mounted a Leupold VXII 1-4X on my XLR for a while and it worked very well. I mounted it with low quick-detach rings that allowed use of the standard irons as backup. The 1-4X scope offered very good eye relief and quick target acquisition. It also allowed good visibility in low light (something you won't get from a scout scope). The downside was that it didn't allow installation of an aperture sight. It wasn't long before I took the scope off and installed the XS Ghost Ring set and never looked back. The scope is now installed on my CZ550FS, and its classic looks go very well with that rifle.

Once you decide on the parameters for use that your 336 needs to operate in you will be able to decide which sight system is best for your purposes.

Bud Tugly
March 7, 2007, 01:10 PM
I'm a .30/.30 fan but prefer the style of my Winnie '94 so I guess I'm out of the club. I've fired my brother-in-law's .35 caliber 336 many times, though. It's a great gun but just doesn't have the "feel" of the Winchester to me.

Many people demean the .30/.30 because it isn't as flat-shooting as some of the "modern" rounds, but IMO there's another issue. SAFETY!! What about those folks who fire at a deer at 100 yards or less and (heaven forbid) MISS.

Due to the arc of the bullet, the .30/.30 round is only going to go a fairly short distance after a miss before it buries itself in the ground. The flat-shooting round is going to travel a LOT farther after a miss before it finally comes to ground.

I submit that for hunting heavy cover where there is even a remote chance of other people being downrange, the .30/30 is a safer gun to use than some flat-shooting wonder weapon, especially in the hands of shaky beginners.

SSN Vet
March 7, 2007, 02:10 PM
If you haven't tried using an appeture sight on your 336, you should give it a whirl.

It is a very instinctive sight to use....and if your vision is good, you'll be surprised what you can do at 100yds without glass.

I put a Williams 5d on mine but would like to upgrade to the Foolproof.

The rifle loses it's balance and handiness when you mount a scope.

CrackerJim
March 7, 2007, 02:53 PM
Well, just got in from purchasing a 336a. I will try the ghost rings so didn't need any fancier sights.

I'm looking forward to getting out this weekend to shoot it but I'm hoping the other guys won't laugh at me too hard......I have cycling problems.

I have to stick a wooden dowel through the loading port to free up the next round in the mag. The front of the carrier is a U shaped cradle when viewed from the butt of the gun. Almost every round will have the case rim hang up on the left side of the carrier "u". The bottom and right side have good clearence.

Once the cartridge is freed from the hang up, cycling is fine. Since I haven't seen talk of this issue, I'm wondering if the carrier is incorrect (the mag tube doesn't appear to have any alignment problems).

I was considering taking it apart to grind a ramp on that left side so it couldn't hang up but I'm not familiar with lever actions so hesitant to proceed with taking the receiver apart (visualizing small pieces flying around the shop).

Comments or suggestions appreciated. Search of 336 problems etc did not produce any results that were helpful.

Almost in the club......:rolleyes: .

Thanks,

Jim (CJ)

SSN Vet
March 7, 2007, 03:14 PM
an appeture sight (often refered to as a peep sight) with the largest appeture installed is essentially a ghost ring sight.

I can't figure out why the ghost ring sights cost so much.....musht be the "cowboy" thing.

Nematocyst
March 7, 2007, 10:58 PM
CrackerJim, I hope someone offers a solution to your problem here. That sounds really annoying. With all the 336 users in these parts, someone's bound to speak up. I'm a new owner, so can't offer you a solution. But I'll follow that with interest.

Curious that the next rnd hangs up like that.

I haven't had one hang up in the magazine tube, but the first (and so far, only) time I shot my 336A, I had two rnds fail to load into the spout as I was levering. In both cases, the new rnd hung up in the action just before it entered the barrel.

In both cases, I had tilted the barrel of the gun up pretty steeply. So I thought either it was an issue that the rifle didn't like to be tilted up when levering the new rnd, or that the action was still stiff and would loosen up with time.

I dunno. I'll watch what happens next.

If you haven't tried using an aperture sight on your 336, you should give it a whirl.

It is a very instinctive sight to use....and if your vision is good, you'll be surprised what you can do at 100yds without glass.

I put a Williams 5d on mine but would like to upgrade to the Foolproof.

The rifle loses it's balance and handiness when you mount a scope.

<then, in a different post>

I can't figure out why the ghost ring sights cost so much.....musht be the "cowboy" thing.SSN Vet, I almost bought a set of Williams FP apertures today.

But at the last second, I veered away towards a set of XS ghost rings. I ordered them a few minutes ago even though they were indeed $30 more expensive. ($68 for Williams FP v. $98 for XS GR, including shipping.) Here's why.

A trusted adviser at my gun shop offer the opinion that the aperture sights are more for target shooting, where as the larger aperture ghost rings are better for fast target acquisition.

Since I see my 336 mainly as a deer gun, and mainly out to 100 m, I decided to try the ghost rings first, before the aperture sights.

I understand that one can screw out the aperture ring and effectively create a GR, but ... something told me to try the XS GRs first.

I'll post a review in a couple of weeks once I try them.
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Well, speaking of sights, I thought I'd get a review of sights for 336s written today, but a business opportunity got in the way.

It's still on my list though, hopefully by weekend.

Nem

rockerz71
March 8, 2007, 09:11 AM
I just bought a 336W last night...flipped the rear sight up and it broke off. Anyone know where I can get a new one?

CrackerJim
March 8, 2007, 09:21 AM
I spoke to the factory customer service yesterday. After referring to their guidelines for answering questions, the answer is to send it to the factory for adjustment.

I called my gunsmith and he said he would take a look at it. He commented that the adjust the carrier answer was probably blowing smoke.

Last night, I studied the exploded view that came with the gun. I would have taken it apart but was unclear on how the Hammer Spring Adjusting Plate is held in, so backed off. However, in studying the drawing, I see no adjustment built in for the carrier ie no shims/spacers etc.

I'm still of the opinion that it's the wrong carrier or incorrectly manufactured carrier. Even if there was position adjustment built in to the mechanism, the carrier is already tight to the receiver side plate in the direction it would have to move to provide the clearence necessary to keep the cartridge rim from hanging up.

I'll be taking the rifle to the gunsmith later today to see what he thinks of it and will decide what to do then. It still may be that I'll take the carrier out and grind it for correct function.

Jim

Z_Infidel
March 8, 2007, 11:30 AM
rockerz71, call Marlin. I'm sure they'll take care of you.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/About/ContactUs.aspx

WJR
March 8, 2007, 11:53 AM
Rockerz71,

Same thing happened to me when I purchased my 336. I decided right then to go ahead and buy XS ghost rings.

I prefer the ghosts to the standard sights.

WJR

CrackerJim
March 8, 2007, 02:12 PM
Gunsmith up date. The carrier is the problem. I'll keep it for the weekend so I can at least shoot it to check for any other problems and return to his shop Monday. I'll have my "feeding dowel" hanging on a string. That'll get them going at the range.....;) . Maybe I should paint the dowel and tell'em it's a Marlin accessory :evil: .

He confirmed that no adjustment is possible. It involves a new carrier or work the existing one. His services will be $10-15 more than shipping/insurence to Marlin so will have him do the work. He'll do some minor grinding and give it a good polish.

I'm sure Marlin would have taken care of the problem but for the minor difference in dollars, I don't have to be with out my new rifle for more than a couple of days by having the local gunsmith do it :D .

Looking forward to becoming a full member of the club by actually shooting it this weekend (maybe tomorrow, a good day to play hooky.....).

Jim

Nematocyst
March 8, 2007, 04:21 PM
Maybe I should paint the dowel and tell'em it's a Marlin accessory :evil: .LOL.

Glad the problem is at least understood, Jim, and soon to be resolved. Too bad it happened though. A little glitch in Marlin quality control ... :uhoh:

I think this club/thread will be a good place to collect stories about problems like that. Then someday we can ship the stories out to Marlin to encourage them to improve their QC. :scrutiny:

Rockerz, sorry to hear of your rear sight issue. That piece to me seems the weakest, most vulnerable part on the entire gun. It just feels kind of flimsy. I'm looking forward to taking it off once the GRs get here. (I'll probably keep it though, just as a back up for hard times...)

I'll bet Marlin will send you a new one really fast.

Nem

WJR
March 10, 2007, 11:30 PM
BTT, let's not let this thread die.

WJR

rockerz71
March 11, 2007, 12:10 AM
rockerz71, call Marlin. I'm sure they'll take care of you

Called them on Friday morning and I think they sent it out the same day. It sounds like this is a common problem; the woman on the phone didn't even let me finish describing it before she told me they'd send me a rear sight immediately if I gave her my address.

fiVe
March 11, 2007, 05:19 AM
BTT, let's not let this thread die.

Here, Here!

Nematocyst
March 11, 2007, 05:48 AM
It's been a busy week here, so haven't gotten around to the next installment on sights.

But I promise that this thread ... er, club won't die any time soon.

Even if I have to talk to myself about 336s (which I could do), it won't die. :)

Besides, I'm thinking there's little danger of thread death given that we are still ranked number 1 in rifle country in terms of number of views (actually number 2, but that's behind a sticky, so we're really number 1).

Translation: there's a LOT of interest in this venerable rifle,
even if the number of posts is not keeping up with the number of views ... yet.

As of fiVe's post, the number of views was ... <drum roll> 3366.

I love it. :D

CrackerJim
March 11, 2007, 01:02 PM
Well, I guess I'm fully in the club now and fully hooked on the 336 carbine as well. Two friends, one of my sons and I went to a range a little farther away yesterday than are regular spot. We got in a couple of rounds of trap then stopped to check out their rifle/pistol range.

One of my firends had his Marlin in 357 along (his gun along with inheriting my grandfathers older winchester is what got me looking at lever actions to start with). Although we did have to fiddle with the wood dowel some of the time to free up the next cartridge coming out of the mag tube, it wasn't as much as when dry cycling as the recoil helped. That issue will be corrected this week.

This gun is a keeper. Really enjoyed shooting it. Even with the semi buckhorn sights, my old eyes got a good enough sight picture to appreciate this carbine. My son liked it too. Now he's got the wheels turning in his head:D . I put a sling on it and at 50yrds off hand, they were all inside a dinner plate. So with a little practice (might as well get the reloading dies, I'm gonna need them:) , it'll be good.

Hmmmmm, nice day out. Maybe have to knock out a couple of chores and sneak over to the local range for some practice :evil: .

Yep, this 336 is as good as I've been hearing. Good solid and fairly smooth action (not even broken in yet), feels right bringing it to the shoulder and feels right shooting it.

Jim

ugaarguy
March 11, 2007, 06:53 PM
Courtesy of this post from Vern Humphrey I'm now aware of the Hammond Game Getter. http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3191574&postcount=37. For those of you like our founder Nem who're looking for maximum versatility with a minimal number of guns these are pretty neat. Here's more info. http://www3.telus.net/gamegetter/operate1.html

Nematocyst
March 11, 2007, 08:10 PM
Uga, that is a very cool tool. It's on my "to acquire" list, fo' sho'.

On the Hammond site are links to a couple of articles about the Gamegetter.

I've only read this review (http://www3.telus.net/gamegetter/gamegetter%20v2.pdf) so far. Quite impressive.
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C'Jim, it's great to hear of your positive experience with your new 336,
even with that feeding problem that needs to be fixed.

I'm feeling the same way. As I think I mentioned, there may be a loading issue with mine, too, although different from the one you're experiencing. I need to shoot it more before I know; could be just a break in thing. In any case, I'm confident that it'll be minor and easily repairable.

And, even with that potential, I'm digging my 336A. I'm really looking forward to getting it to the range again, but I won't until I receive the GR's and install them. Given ground shipping, that could be over a week.
(Be quiet my aching heart... :( ).

In the mean time, I'm going to work on his little brother: the new 39A. :D
___________

I've been doing my homework for my essay on sights, by the way. I spent some time last night looking through my bookmarks at "sights for 336" category. I'm trying to decide which ones really belong in this review. (Some are on the edge of what one would put on a 336, but may be relevant for comparison, for example.)

JustsayMo
March 11, 2007, 09:52 PM
Here's a "game gitter" recipe that my old scout master taught us way back when.

Buckshot (can't remember the ought size but it mics out .314-.320" ish)
30-06 case (I see no reason why a 30-30 case wouldn't work)
Large Rifle Primer
One 22LR case full of Bullseye powder (~2.4gr)

Seat primer, dump in powder, seat buckshot with thumb.

Out of my Remington 700 at 25 yards it did this three shot group offhand with my 100 yard 165gr open sight zero:

http://www.grovestreet.com/jsp/onepic.jsp?id=1211593

I never tried it with my 30-30 but I have used Bullseye (and Red Dot and SR4756...) to shoot 170gr cast bullets so I would assume it would work just as well.

We would load these at our Scout Master's place with the Lee Loader tool. We'd just decap a case, reprime it, charge it press in a "bullet" and shoot till it was too dark to see. This was done over and over again without resizing. Back then we shot them out of 1903A3's he got for us and we'd shoot targets at his place. Inside of 25 yards they are very accurate. Quiet, cheap and effective on paper cans and a few other things I won't admit to shooting. He called them his "garden load."

ugaarguy
March 12, 2007, 04:50 AM
According to the side of a box of Federal buckshot I've got handy No. 1 Buck is .30"/7.62mm which is standard American 30 cal. No. 00 is .33"/8.38mm. The Hammond site recommends, for 30 cal, running No. 0 or 00 Buck thru the swage included with the game getter. The Federal box doesn't list a size for No. 0 Buck, but I'd bet it's in the .31 neighborhood. Using Mo's technique I'm sure a few rounds each of No. 1 and No. 0 Buck would yield groups that would tell you what your rifle prefers when using shot that hasn't been swaged. Either way these are good options to look into for both low cost/sound/recoil practice, and increased rifle versatility.

gns4me
March 12, 2007, 08:31 AM
Alright, I dont "join" many clubs but I do have a couple of 336's that I dearly love. One in .35 rem that is a real joy to shoot and reload for. I do realy love the .35 area of bullets. Its is a real comfortable bore size to shoot. I also have a 336TK in 30-30. I am having a bit of trouble out of it right know but I think it will be solvable and like the rifle for the handiness in the field.

PapaDog
March 12, 2007, 02:46 PM
Hello everyone...I'm the new kid on the block and I
am about to buy a new Marlin 336CC or just the 336C.
I also found a new in the box Glenfield 30A 30-30 made
by marlin for $325. Is this a good buy?
A friend of mine had a glenfield 30-30 years
ago that I borrowed on a deer hunt and it shot excellent.
I would like to buy this glenfield before buying the 336CC.
Any of you gun guru's out there have any info and help for me?


Thanks

JustsayMo
March 12, 2007, 03:24 PM
PapaDog,
While $325 might be reasonable it depends. Looking at Gunbroker.com competed auction search it looks like that is the upper end of the price range. NIB and any accessories might up the price some.

That being said $325 is purdy darn cheap for a good rifle... Tough call not knowing all the details.

I'd be more inclined to find a used one with some "character" and use the $100 or so I save on ammo or reloading components.

MrDig
March 12, 2007, 04:46 PM
Does anybody have experience with Williams Fire Sights on 336's and or other Marlin Lever Actions?

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 05:06 AM
The following have posted to this club since its inception.
(Some were added after this post.)

Each user name is followed by the version of the name
that I would likely use to address them to save keystrokes.
(Feel free to specify your preference.)

Membership in The 336 Club does not require owning a 336,
only an interest in the concept and some participation.
(E.g., those not posting for several months
may be dropped from the official :rolleyes: roster,
though not unsubscribed.)

Non-336'ers are welcome,
with the understanding that ...

... the focus here is 336.

{added by edit: though we may occasionally
wander into discussion of other rifles/calibers for comparison...}

;)
___________

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Applekev (Apple)
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SSN Vet
March 13, 2007, 10:38 AM
Does anybody have experience with Williams Fire Sights on 336's and or other Marlin Lever Actions?

I have the 5D appeture sight (with a large appeture) with a funky orange plastic front blade (came on my purchased used 336C).

I shoot much better with it than the stock "buckhorns". The appeture sight aquires the target quickly and seems to intuitively center itself....especially left to right.

I want to put a fire eye on it, as I think the fibre beed will "gravitate" to the center even more so.....especially up and down....as there it provides a distinctive point....as opposed to the tip of the blade.

If I was to do it over.....I'd buy the Williams Fool Proof bundled with the Fire eye. Wasn't an option for me at the time though.

If any of you guys want to try out an appeture sight without investing a fortune....I'll sell you mine for $25 shipped. It's in perfect condition. (That's over $10 off Midways best price and you don't pay shipping.)

Heads up though....I have the model that mounts to the tapped holes on the side of the receiver. They don't put these on the new 336s.

WJR
March 13, 2007, 11:43 AM
Nem,

Keep me on the roll!! I am definitely an interested member of the club.

WJR

JustsayMo
March 13, 2007, 11:54 AM
As if anyone needs another reason to take his 336 to the range check out Ranch Dog's Leveraction postal match.

http://gunloads.com/fam/ranchdogmolds/PM/

Great fun and a great way to challenge your marksmanship even if you don't send your targets in.

PapaDog
March 13, 2007, 01:16 PM
Has anyone bought the 336CC which has the camo stock?

JNewell
March 13, 2007, 03:29 PM
I have a fiber optic front sight on one of my 336s, and it's great, but a small heads-up: they don't work very well with a cover. You can buy special covers that are mostly cut out along the top to admit light, which may work better (I haven't tested them). It's a little bit of a gotcha, because you look at the plastic and say "gee, I'd like to give that thing some protection" - but the standard cover will defeat the advantages offered by the sight.

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 05:47 PM
Keep me on the roll!! I am definitely an interested member of the club.

WJRWJR, sorry to have inadvertently left you off the list. My bad. :o

I've edited the roster and put your name on. Thanks for the heads up.

Did I leave anyone else off?

Hopefully, the roll is going to grow over the coming months.
Why, there must be more 336 owners out there than 642 owners. :rolleyes: :neener:

I'll probably update it every few pages or so. I may need to learn how to
post a roster with multiple columns soon to keep from taking up so much vertical space ... :D

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 06:10 PM
Has anyone bought the 336CC which has the camo stock?Papa, I'd never even heard of that until now.

Just did a google, and found this page on gunshopfinder about the 336CC (http://www.gunshopfinder.com/marlin/marlin336CC.asp). How cool.
Anybody know if they're still in production, maybe as a special order?

Had I known it existed, I'd have been tempted to buy it since I sort of like the idea of a camo stock.

I was originally thinking about replacing a wood stock with synthetic,
perhaps even one of Wild Dog's synthetic camo stocks (http://www.wilddog.com.au/content/default.asp).

(I thought that a Wild Dog model for the Marlin 336 was due out soon; for a while they even had an image of the prototype on their web site, but it's gone now. Hmmm. Maybe they decided not to do it at least for now. :confused:
It was reportedly going to fit models with barrel bands only, though, so it wouldn't have worked for me.)

But since buying my A, I confess I've become pretty fond of the wood furniture, and am thinking I'll keep it stock (so to speak ) for at least a while. The advantage of a synth would be weight reduction, but I am finding that I like the way this rifle soaks up the already low recoil of the .30-30.)

Speaking of A (fore end cap) v. C & W (barrel bands), a club member asked me by PM yesterday about why I chose an A instead of C or W, and in particular whether barrel bands made any significant difference v. fore end caps. My [slightly edited] response is below in case any one else if facing a similar decision.

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You'll find most of my reasoning in choosing the A in this thread on C v. W (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=226681) and this one on A v. C (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=242785).

The short version: I learned that on a short carbine like a 336, barrel bands probably don't make much difference. On a target rifle, they may. Some writers assert that they do, some say no. But most feel that on a hunting rifle with a range of only 150 yds (200 tops), it probably isn't relevant.

Yet, I have to admit, I chose the A for three reasons.

1) It had a birch stock, which although not as aesthetic in the minds of some, is harder and probably more durable than the walnut stock on the C. Durability is more important to me than beauty.

2) After a lot of reading on the Marlin site, I noticed that the large majority of Marlin lever guns now employ the front end cap rather than barrel bands. There's only about three or four Marlins that now use barrel bands: 336C, 336W and the 1894C. All the rest - including the big bores and the new XLR line - employ fore end caps. That suggested to me that perhaps Marlin knows something we don't.

3) My 39A (which I bought a week before I got my 336A) has fore end cap, and for aesthetic reasons I just wanted consistency in appearance.

So, in the end, I'm not sure it really matters that much in terms of functionality. I think I'd just go with wood choice, and which ever one feels intuitively best for you.

I don't think you can go wrong in any case.

PapaDog
March 13, 2007, 06:23 PM
I didn't know they made the 336CC until recently myself. I've emailed a gun dealer about the price on it but he hasn't replied back to me as of yet.
Another dealer who has one is asking $380 + 20 FFL shipping...then you add
the $25 fee on the FFL dealer on the other end the gun ends up costing $425.
He did say that he thought the camo was a baked on finish and that it did not
scratch easy. I kinda like the way it looks because like I said before I am going to buy 1 if not 2 marlin 30/30's sometime soon :D and I just wanted to know if any of you 336 gun people had one of these with the camo stock they could tell me more about.

Dr.Rob
March 13, 2007, 07:31 PM
I promised this a while back... this is The 336 Texan I carried on many a hunting trip in my youth. It's been a 'back up rifle' in elk camp for years... and while it belongs to my brother (the source of most scratches and wear--lord he's tough on guns) many a 'guest' hunter has used it with success. I took an antelope in Wyoming with it and Federal red box 150 gr sp bullets. It's nicked and dinged and the old Tasco Pronghorn 2x7 on it still holds zero.

These are somewhat hard to find these days, used ones don't come up for sale very often.

tuna
March 13, 2007, 07:33 PM
Hey guys - can I join!!!???
I love seeing all these 336's in this thread. There is something just right about a good lever gun.
I'd been seriously needing a good SHTF rifle, and was trying to decide between an AK, SKS or AR. I was fortunate to "gunsit" an AK and SKS for two different friends, and decided on the AK. But when I saw the 336 sitting all pretty and cute behind the counter, I couldn't leave her there.
It may not be great for a running firefight:rolleyes: , but everything else I'll use it for (deer, black bear, hogs, targets) it should be fine.

By the way, you can call me - "2na" if you really need to save keystrokes.

electrode1998
March 13, 2007, 07:38 PM
PaPaDog and Nem.
Yes as of last year the 336 cc was available and it was not cheap!!!!! You had to order it, and they were hard to find.
Probably good collectors item in the future and they were usually stainless finish from what I saw. I almost got one but it was out of my budget.
That is why I went with the 336A and figured I would custom it out myself.
Ramline is comming out with a synth. stock in mossy oak but it has barrel bands and not end caps so it will not fit the model A. Cost is about 80 dollars for the stock online.
I have a few custom modifications in route for my 336A. When they arrive and get installed I'll try to post a pic for ya'll.
Talk to ya'll later,
Electrode1998

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 07:41 PM
While looking (googling) for an to a question about .30-30 rnds (see below),
I found this essay comparing/contrasting Marlin 336 and Winchester '94 (http://www.1stconnect.com/anozira/SiteTops/weapons/3030faq.htm).
It's an interesting article. (I had it bookmarked, but had forgotten about it.)
________

But here's my question: besides standard 150 and 170 gr factory loads, and Hornady LE 160's,
are there any factory loads available for .30-30 that are less than 150 gr?

Just before posting that question, I decided to check the Remington ballistics page on .30-30 (http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/ballistics/choose_specific_loads.aspx?c1=27&c2=26&c3=).
There, I was reminded that they make a reduced recoil 125 gr,
and I learned about a new (to me, at least) cartridge:
the Remington .30-30 Accelerator (55 gr).

The ballistics chart shows that 55 gr zeroed at 200 yds, but still respectable (-3.5") at 250.
Muzzle velocity is 3400 fps, and at 200 yds still 2085. Sounds like a busy little bee. :D
Admittedly, it's no .223 Rem, but still respectable (IMO) in a pinch for those without a .223.

The later is billed as a "coyote cartridge",
but I'd be willing to bet it's got some potential other uses, too. :)
(One of which is plinking practice.)

Any body used either the 125 gr or the 55 gr?
Any thoughts to offer about either?

electrode1998
March 13, 2007, 07:41 PM
Hey PaPaDog,
I forgot to tell you that $425 doesn't sound too bad for the price on the 336 cc. I think locally they were a bit higher than that at the end of last year.

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 07:57 PM
2na, welcome to the club. :)

I added your name to the roster on the last page.
(I can still add by edit for a little while longer,
so your name appears on the roster before you posted.
Makes me look clairvoyant or something ... :rolleyes: :D )

(In fact, welcome to all new members since the last time I wrote that.)

DR, beautiful Texan. {edit: I originally wrote "Mountie" because I didn't read your post carefully enough, and because of that straight stock. Do they relate? What's the barrel length on the Texan?} I would have bought [a Mountie], but didn't want the straight stock. (I'm thinking of eventually cutting down the A barrel to Mountie length, but haven't decided yet. Gonna give it LOTS of time first as is.)

E'trode, I'm curious to hear about those "custom modifications".
Want to tell us about them? You can always post pics of them later. :)

nwilliams
March 13, 2007, 07:59 PM
Can I join:D

This is my 336 given to me by my grandfather just before he passed away, great old gun I would never part with it. I may restore it one of these days, the stock had a slip-on buttpad for many years as you can see and the metal needs rebluing. But I may just keep the way he left it to me, it still shoots fine.

Dr.Rob
March 13, 2007, 08:01 PM
For shame, that's a 336 Texan, the Mountie is in your Model 39 thread. ;)

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 08:09 PM
For shame, that's a 336 Texan, the Mountie is in your Model 39 thread. ;) LOL! :D :o

Oh my god, where's my coffee? I should never wait this long before coffee!

Really, I was just testing to make sure everyone was awake. No really... why don't you believe me? :rolleyes:

But since you brought it up, Rob: that's a new version for me. Never heard of one.
Where's it fit in the scheme of 336s?
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NWilliams (NWill?), welcome. I just added your name ex-post-facto to the club roster.

Just ignore my mistake about the Mountie, er Texan. Most people in here are way more knowledgeable about Marlin's than me. I'm just getting into Marlins, so am still learning (which I why I started this club and the 39A club: to learn).

And that's a real purty older 336 you got. Great to see so much wear on one. Tells me it's led a useful existence.

Think you'll ever re-blue it?

electrode1998
March 13, 2007, 08:32 PM
Nem.
Yea, I think I have found an old marlin issued camo stock that will fit my gun from a private seller. I'll know if it fits when I hopefully get it sometime next week in the mail.
Other than that, I am just installing some peep sights I found online that are handmade by a guy named Tim Skinner. They look pretty nice and cost alot less than XS sights do. Finally I have a scout scope rail comming so I can mount the leupold 2.5 scout scope when I get the money for that.
Hopefully if this all works out it will look and shoot pretty sweet when all is said and done. The camo stock is the only question if it fits the model A. If it doesn't maybe someone else can use it on their model of 336.

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 08:48 PM
E'trode, we're having similar thoughts about sighting systems.

I've ordered a set of XS GRs, and will very likely add one of their scout scope rails a bit later. (Unless someone here manages to talk me out of it, or if the GR's turn out to get me significantly improved groups at 75 and 100 yds...)

Someone mentioned those Skinner sights (http://www.skinnersights.com/) before - and they look real nice - and I asked: do they come with a new front post? Don't think anyone responded yet, so I'm curious. That could be part of the price difference (?)...

The XS GR's come with a new front post that looks (in photos (http://www.xssights.com/store/rifle.html), at least) to be more visible than the stock post.

Thanks, all, for discussion of sights. This is good homework for my promised essay summarizing sight stuff.

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 08:52 PM
Oh, I feel so much better.

I just realized why I got confused (well, part of why I got confused) about the 39 Mountie v. 336 Texan.

DR (Rob) posted this about a Mountie in the 39A thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3198569&postcount=24) AND his post about the Texan, both today.
I read them both, and got wires crossed.

Guess that's the price for trying to be part of two Marlin clubs. ;)
(It's worth the price.)

Ah, so I'm not totally insane. :D
(Well, wait a minute ... :scrutiny: )

Marlin
March 13, 2007, 09:35 PM
Great thread you'all have going here,might as well add my handle to the list.I have a 336w 30/30,1894 in 44mag with a Ruger SuperBlack also in 44mag.Hopefully in the not to distance future I will have a 1894 in 38/357 to go with a 1982 Ruger Security Six 6in stainless,you just got to love the combos.

Nematocyst
March 13, 2007, 10:00 PM
Wow, Marlin, with a username like that, I'm not sure you'll fit in here ... :uhoh:

Only kidding. :p Great handle. I've added you to the roster.

electrode1998
March 13, 2007, 10:05 PM
Nem.
The Skinner sights can be ordered with or without the front sights. The front sights only add 5 dollars to the cost so I ordered a complete set. I went ahead and ordered an XS front rail and it should be here this week. I'll try the Skinner sights before adding the scout scope and am leaning heavily tword the scope since I wear glasses and I figured the added magnification would help where I get to hunt. I'll let you know what the Skinners are like when I get them and I'll check with you on the XS GRs.
E'trode

electrode1998
March 13, 2007, 10:08 PM
NWilliams
That is a beautiful gun. The color of the stock is amazing. My dad handmade furniture for years and that wood is very nice. The gun itself is nice too.

Z_Infidel
March 14, 2007, 12:41 AM
Nem -- ya left me off the latest roster, pal. And our discussions about ghost rings go way back, too... .snif.

Dr.Rob
March 14, 2007, 01:13 AM
As I recall it the 336T was a carbine length (20") model made from 1954 to 1983 or so. My brother wanted the "Texan" because of the straight stock, like dad's model 39 we grew up shooting. There have been other straight stocked 336's. This one is a 79-81 vintage I think. Most were .30-30 though there may be a .35 Remington also.

The 336T was also made in .44 magnum in 65-67 (Cabela's has one in Rogers, MN for $430) with that much metal you could certainly hot rod a .44 mag.

WJR
March 14, 2007, 01:59 AM
Nem,

Thanks for putting me back on the roster.

In regard to XS Sights, to me the XS front post is a good deal more visible. Of course, my only experience is with a Spikehorn, which has a short barrel.

As soon as I can, I am ordering the XS Scout Scope mount and Leupold 2.5 for my 336.

I keep buying 686s instead of ordering the scout setup, but I hope to rectify that soon. (Yes I am a member of the 686 club as well)

WJR

Nematocyst
March 14, 2007, 02:27 AM
Z,

Many apologies, buddy. :o
Yer back on, now.

I found that I also inadvertently left off xd9fan (XD9) from the new list.
(Back on now.)

Dang, roll call is more challenging than I thought. Who else did I leave off? :uhoh:

Maybe we need a club secretary so the president can do his job better. :D

fiVe
March 14, 2007, 01:29 PM
Nem,

This thread is great! I'm learning so much.

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The Wieber comparison is good. I know Winchester is good, but I'm glad I have a Marlin.

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Very interested in the Remington Express Ammo especially the 55gr Accelerator round.


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I am definitely on a quest to increase my 336/lever action knowledge. I have heard the terms peep sights and tang(?) sights. What is this? Can someone give me a basic layman's description of these 2 sights (hopefully with pics)?

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I've heard bits and pieces about how to clean a 336. What is the best way to clean it, how far do you go with field stripping, and how do you do it?


Don't mean to overload this post with so much stuff, but I wanted to keep from flooding the thread with so many posts (I don't know maybe a flood of posts is better?? :confused: )

Thanks for your time,
fiVe

SSN Vet
March 14, 2007, 01:47 PM
the Remington .30-30 Accelerator (55 gr).

I thought this was a small diamater bullet (.22?) shot in a .30 cal. sabot.

I bet they're pricey little plinkers

Nematocyst
March 14, 2007, 04:31 PM
fiVe, really glad you're finding value here. I'm learning a lot, too, and we've only just begun.

More on sights later (though I'm hoping someone else will address your "tang" sight question, cause I'm still wrestling with that one, also).

(Speaking of sights: my XS ghost rings just got delivered! :D :D :D )
________________

For now, SSN, about those Remington Accelerator ".30-30" 55 gr. I just spoke with my gun shop about them. The person I spoke with claims that indeed, they are as you say: a "sabot" adaptation. He claimed that it was a cool idea, but didn't work because the twist rate didn't work well in larger calibers, and that they're not really any longer in production.

Yet, I'm finding Remington Accelerators in 55 gr .30-30 for sale currently on the web. Here's an example from Outdoorsuperstore.com. (http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/product.asp?prod=288275) Looks like to me there's an old technology (the sabot stuff) and now something new that's getting confused with the old ??? :confused:

So, I'm still confused and hoping a knowledgeable person will shine some truth on this topic.

W Turner
March 14, 2007, 06:28 PM
Can I be added?

I just bought a Cooper and Co. marked 336. I have no idea how old it is, but I believe it was originally a saddle carbine because it has a hole in the side of the receiver that is in the right location for the extra screw that one would have.

The furniture is beautiful and has a deep red color to it. The trigger is very good and if the guy at the gun shop is to be believed, the serial # suggests it was made in 1969.

W

Nematocyst
March 15, 2007, 07:06 AM
Can I be added? Done.

(About twelve hours ago by now. ;) )
__________

After an exceptionally long work day,
I got them XS GR sights on a few minutes ago.

First report:

Phew'we! Them done changed evera'thang
I thaught I unda'stu'od about sights!

:what:
_________

Also, what's the word on the street about "Federal Fusion (http://www.chuckhawks.com/federal_fusion_ammo.htm)" ammo?

I've got the 150 gr, but they also make a 170.

The bullet design is aerodynamically reasonable:
sleeker than the classic round nose .30/30
with a smaller, flatter, sharper apex
(more like an F-16 than a C5A).

No knowledge of the powder that propels the mass,
but I'll bet a 5 spot that it's powerful stuff ...

Story at 11 ...

Nematocyst
March 15, 2007, 07:57 AM
...what's the word on the street about "Federal Fusion" ammo?

Here's what Mr. Hawks had to write about Fusion:

All calibers use bullets made by Federal's proprietary "molecular-fused" jacket technology. In this "electrochemicall" process, to quote the Fusion literature, "the jacket is applied to the core one molecule at a time to totally eliminate separation and assure mass integrity." The core is a pressure-formed lead alloy and the jacket is pure copper. A skived tip promotes initial expansion. Fusion bullets feature a perfect center of gravity and high ballistic coefficients (BC).

If I have correctly interpreted the process, the bullet is basically made by copper plating a (vitamin capsule shaped) pressure formed lead alloy core slug. Then the plated core is pressure formed into the correct bullet size and shape and the tip skived. Presto, a Fusion bullet.

The Fusion web site (www.fusionammo.com) is larded with techno-speak mumbo-jumbo (but does use an innovative little flame cursor). This approach is often the modern advertising equivalent of the old adage, "If you can't sell the product, wrap it in baloney and sell the baloney."

In this instance, however, that is not the case. The Fusion bullet, in our testing, does offer excellent accuracy and dramatic but controlled expansion. These bullets are expressly optimized for hunting CXP2 game (basically deer), but based on their controlled expansion they probably have a wider range of application, although this has not yet been proven in the field. Strip away the advertising hype and what is left is an excellent product, perfectly able to stand on its own merits.

<snip>

The result was that the Fusion ammo produced the smallest average group size (0.895") of all the loads tried. This is a very accurate rifle that produced excellent results with every load, and many sub-MOA groups, just as the name implies. But when push came to shove it was the Fusion load that came out on top. Every rifle is an individual and your results may vary, but I regard this as an impressive start for the new brand.Hmm. Interesting. Think I'll buy more Fusion rnds, including some 170s.

But not until after sleep.

It's been a long day.
Very productive, but long.

Did I mention? I think I'm going to like those XS ghost rings...

Z_Infidel
March 15, 2007, 10:16 AM
TANG SIGHTS: These are a more traditional alternative to receiver-mounted aperture or ghost ring sights. Marbles and Lyman are a couple of manufacturers who offer nice tang sights. These mount to the tang (the steel that extends backward into the rear stock on top of the rifle) and can be positioned upright for use or folded down out of the way to enable use of the regular barrel-mounted rear sight. Tang sights typically come with a couple different sized apertures so you can use it as a peep or a ghost ring. They are a good option if you want to retain a more traditional look to your rifle or if you want the option to use your regular open sight. I prefer a receiver-mounted ghost ring such as the XS sight with front post. To me these seem like the ideal setup.

Ya know, XS just might get some business out of this thread.

chorlton
March 15, 2007, 11:01 AM
A quick question...
Out of interest, does anyone know who makes the optional factory-fitted scope available for the 336? If not, which model of scope is closest to the Marlin one?

fiVe
March 15, 2007, 12:20 PM
Can anyone post a pic of a tang or ghost ring sight?

Z_Infidel
March 15, 2007, 12:23 PM
Tang sight info:
http://www.marblescutlery.com/cowboyseries/peeptang.html

XS Ghost Ring sight info:
http://www.xssights.com/store/rifle.html

Fred Fuller
March 15, 2007, 11:24 PM
SSN Vet,

You have PM re. that sight you mentioned...

lpl/nc

electrode1998
March 17, 2007, 10:37 AM
Hey guys,
I am looking at the leupold 2.5x28 scout scope. So far the best price I have found is at Cabella's for about $270. Add a set of rings and you are easily at $300. This is not a problem but does anyone know of another place that may have a better deal?

electrode1998
March 17, 2007, 10:41 AM
I am looking for a good instruction book or dvd on how to sight in a rifle and scope. I can get one done for free here if I buy the scope from the store but their prices are a bit high. I also do not have easy access to a long distance range to shoot over 25 yards. So I have to work the conversion to do any long distance sighting.

JustsayMo
March 17, 2007, 11:09 AM
Electrode,
Check out your library for books on Marksmanship. There is a lot of good information.

My guess is the local shop will "bore sight" your new scope which will probably get you on the paper but I wouldn't recommend you use it for hunting. Every year during hunter sight in at our club LOTS of guys show up with new rifles that are bore sighted at the shop. I make them start at 25 yards and get it close before I let them go to the 100 yard lanes. They are usually amazed how far they are off.

Also keep in mind that different ammo will print differently. In my 336 150's print 6" higher than 170gr. Different brands print differently too and some don't group at all (my 336 hates 170gr Corelokts but my Bro-in-law's Winchester shoots them into 1" at 100 yards...)

skud_dusty
March 17, 2007, 12:43 PM
Wow, the pics in this thread bring back some fond memories from about 10 years ago when my dad was teaching me how to shoot. He passed down to me his winchester model 94 .30-30, which his father passed down to him. Everytime I see these short barreled lever action rifles I fall in love with shooting all over again.

oregonhunter
March 17, 2007, 02:18 PM
I have a leupold 1-4x-28 scout that I could sell you for $200 It is in perfect condition gloss black. I have pics if you are interested.

Nematocyst
March 17, 2007, 05:23 PM
...the leupold 2.5x28 scout scope...E'trode, OpticsPlanet has it listed at $259 (http://www.opticsplanet.net/leupold-25x28mm-m8-ier-scout-rifle-scope.html). I haven't priced rings there yet, but UPS shipping is free.

Funny, though, my local shop has the same scope for exactly the same price.
Usually they're at least $20-30 higher than internet prices.

Otony
March 17, 2007, 06:02 PM
Okay, I am in.

I have a 336 Texan in the safe, straight grip, walnut stock, brass saddle ring. I refinished the walnut due to previous owners nicks and scratches, and found a pretty darn fancy piece of walnut! Slimmed the fore-end in the process as well.

It currently sports a Williams peep, only until such time as I can find an older all steel receiver sight. Or if my eyes worsen to needing a low power scope, perhaps a Weaver V3 or Leupold 2.5x.

I also have a 30TK, which was a special run for K-Mart. Slim fore-end (beech?), straight grip, half magazine, 18.5" barrel. I wrote was as it is currently being rebarreled to .25-35 with a 24" Douglas barrel. It will also receive a fancy set of walnut, plus the 2nd all steel receiver sight I find!:D If I find another 30TK, the second one will remain intact and become my truck gun.

Third up is not exactly a 336, but it uses the same action more or less. An early re-pop 1895 .45-70 Government. It has the early straight grip, very nice walnut(thank you Marlin!) which was slimmed down and refinished, half magazine, and a sorely needed :neener: recoil pad (solid black Deccelerator). Also has a Williams peep, waiting for the third steel peep I find!

Last, but far from least, is a very clever little Marlin 1894 Cowboy .357 Magnum. 20" tapered octagon barrel, uncheckered walnut, straight grip (do we detect a theme here?). It will be soon be equiped with an all brass (fooled ya!) Skinner peep.

As a lefty, I find myself using lever guns for a practicality stand point, but the fact is I would like Marlins in any case, left, right, or ambi.

And just to make sure you high power boys don't feel left out, I have a Browning BLR .30-06 also. All steel, straight grip, and a Weaver V3. Gotta love a lever!

Nematocyst
March 17, 2007, 06:13 PM
Otony, welcome to the club! The edit window has closed on the roster post two pages back, so I'll formally add your name to the next edition of the membership list.

Awesome sounding collection. (By the way, club membership costs an extra $5 if no pictures are posted. :evil: :D ) {For the humor impaired: only kidding. ;) }

Would you and/or others kindly offer a few more words about the history of that 30TK? Is the model designation really something as easy as "Texan K-mart"? Is it identical to 336 otherwise? Did it have Marlin's name on it, or is that one of the Glenfields?

Thanks,

Nem

electrode1998
March 17, 2007, 06:16 PM
Hey Nem,
I just lucked out and found the same scope on sale for $180. I checked it was new in box and perfect. Needless to say I grabbed it and ran as fast as I could pay for it.

electrode1998
March 17, 2007, 06:17 PM
oreghunter,
Thanks anyway I found my scope on sale

Matt King
March 17, 2007, 06:18 PM
Ok you 336 guys, I have a question. How easy would it be to cut the barrel down to 18 inches on a 336?

Nematocyst
March 17, 2007, 06:31 PM
So, as I mentioned during the week, I installed the XS ghost rings (rear and new front post) this week. Haven't taken them to the range yet. (Hopefully next week on a weekday. (Dang tempted to go today - it's BEAUTIFUL out - but on weekends, especially days like this - the range can be a pretty crowded place and just a little..., um freneitc. :uhoh: )

But I digress. I have two questions that border on too simple to ask, but - you never know.

1) The GR's came with a small tube labeled "SUR-LOK 1262". There are general directions on the bag the tube is in, but no reference to it on the actual sight installation directions printed by XS. (* see below). So, should this sur-lok definitely be used, or is it optional? I understand the principle: to keep the fasteners from backing out. But I'm wondering

2) My stock front ramp sight had only one fastener. The new XS front ramp has two. I've attached it with one fastener (in the rear hole of the ramp). I'm assuming that it would be a good idea to have my gunsmith tap another hole, right? (I'm going to have him install a limb saver soon, anyway, so...)

Thanks,

Nem

*: A few comments about the installation directions (just venting here; nothing really important): I found them to be pretty maddening - :mad: - a large (long but narrow) sheet, hyper-folded (as in road map) into a 4" X 6" package with directions for every gun the sites fit (including directions for handgun sights) except 336! Some of it is printed upside down relative to other parts on the same side. I found it very inconvenient to decipher. Heads up XS: I liked your service very much (friendly people answering questions articulately), and so far I like your sights, but the installation directions need some work. :) )

Nematocyst
March 17, 2007, 06:35 PM
E'trode, nice! Congrats on the scope. What a bargain!

Ok you 336 guys, I have a question. How easy would it be to cut the barrel down to 18 inches on a 336?Tex, I'm really glad you asked that question. I'll save my reasoning for another time.
(It's just too nice outside right now to be behind this computer screen ... must ... go ... outside ... )

But I look forward to reading responses. I'd also like to hear opinions about the consequences of doing so, especially in terms of the trade off between handling (quicker pointing, especially in brush and dense cover) v. velocity etc.

<...prying fingers off keyboard connected to discussions of my favorite rifle... :p :rolleyes: >

Karate
March 17, 2007, 06:39 PM
I'm in

Otony
March 17, 2007, 09:21 PM
The 30TK is at my 'smith, waiting for its new barrel, but I seem to strongly recall that it was marked Marlin and not Glenfield.

It has uncheckered beech (birch?) stocks, with the forend retained by a band. Sort of an unusual configuration, as the forend was slim like a Winchester 94, had the barrel band, but sported a half magazine. It also had an odd barrel length, 18.5". Typically, Marlin uses forend caps when combined with half magazines, so it was an "oddun" all the way around.

You are probably correct in assuming that it stood for Texan K-Mart, while the 30 is what Marlin used to designate their Glenfield line, although I am sure this is marked Marlin. Sort of a Frank-lin (Frankenstein-Marlin, heh-heh). It was, apparently, a hodge-podge of new and old parts laying around the plant. BTW, we have a new steel forend cap for the walnut stocks that will be installed, plus the ever so slighty crescent buttplate that used to reside on my .45-70 1895, ouch!

As a Californian (not for too much longer, sigh), I am familiar with the Marlin 1894's and 336's that Big5 sold for a few years. Those were also marked Marlin, and identical to cataloged items, save for, you guessed it, beech stocks. Another example of an un-cataloged rifle turned out for a price to match the order of a retailer. I would not be surprised if some of these orders are suggested and encouraged by Marlin to use up parts laying about.

I have always wondered what size order it would take to get Marlin to make a special order run. Say for example we specified a straight grip 336 with a forend cap, uncheckered walnut, and round 24" barrel. Would it take 100? 300? Or make an easier order, 336 Stainless with straight grip! They have ALL the parts for that right now (and probably for the 24" rifle as well).

It isn't economically feasible for a company to cater to everyone's needs and desires, but if enough enthusiasts got together, well..........

Z_Infidel
March 17, 2007, 11:06 PM
Texas: I had the barrel on my 336C cut down as part of a customization project I had done by Mic McPherson. The mag tube was also shortened to half-length. I looks similar to a 336TK only with a pistol grip stock. I wouldn't try it myself, but some people may have the skills to do it without help of a gunsmith. Mine turned out very nicely -- the rilfe balances great and is very quick on target.

Nem: I suggest calling XS for any installation questions. As you said, they are very helpful. I did use the SUR-LOK on my threads, and from past experience I know they can still be backed out if need be. As for the front sight, my 336C has two holes. My 336XLR also has two holes, but they are drilled with a different length between them than the 336C. I explained to XS and they sent me what they refer to as a "universal" front sight that is made to be used by threading one screw into a threaded hole and another that tightens itself on the barrel. It works perfectly on the XLR. You might want to give XS a call and ask if that's what you need for your rifle.

the lone gunman
March 18, 2007, 09:57 AM
Here is mine.

Nematocyst
March 19, 2007, 02:32 AM
Z,

Good advice re calling XS. Will do.

Lone,

What struck me first about your 336 was the dark wood.
Purty. Very purty.

After that, I grasped that it was a .32. :what:

Very interesting.

This rifle has a richer history than I understood before.

cavman
March 19, 2007, 10:29 AM
Got mine (a 336SS) from MikeSr. here on THR. I think it has been great.

Since leaving VA, however, where I could shoot rifles easier, I haven't shot it.

A strange story. Was shooting it a couple weekends a month for a few months and was getting pretty good at it, when one day it shot a foot above target at 100yards!

Fiddled around and that is where the group remains I guess.

My Isaac Walton league can shoot rifles but one has too shoot out of what looks like someone's converted woodshed, through another woodshed and I can't bring myself to enter to continue to try and figure out what is up.

There is a Range up the road in Turmont, MD, however that I am thinking of joining as they have more "normal" shooting conditions.

Glad to join the THR 336 club

cavman

fiVe
March 19, 2007, 10:54 AM
Z_Infidel: Please post a picture of your cut-down 336.

Z_Infidel
March 19, 2007, 11:01 AM
fiVe: Okay, I will try to take a pic and post it or email it when I get a chance.

SSN Vet
March 19, 2007, 12:10 PM
Hey 336 Mates,

Any one willing to help a guy out and part with their hammer spur?

Bought my 336C used years ago and didn't get the spur with it.

Come on now....you're likely going to lose it in the drawer if you don't send it to aide my "worth cause" :rolleyes:

willing to pay a fair price.

Nematocyst
March 19, 2007, 05:06 PM
Z_Infidel: Please post a picture of your cut-down 336.Ooooh, yes, please. And please post here rather than email so we can all see!

SSN, I'm going to hang onto my spur for a while longer. Haven't made final sighting decisions on this one yet (though now that I've put on the GR, and feel they're likely to stay, I 'spect a scope will be a scout).

Still, have you considered contacting Marlin and see if they'll send you one gratis? Couldn't cost 'em squat, and they should be willing to provide you with such a tiny part for a rifle that didn't come with one a long time ago.

You could just mention that you're a member of The 336 Club. We carry a lot of weight there.
Why, I was talking with Marlin's president over dinner last weekend, and ...

(And if you believe that, I've got a very nice piece of
beach front property up in WA state for sale for only $2/sf :rolleyes: )

electrode1998
March 19, 2007, 07:29 PM
Hey Nem.
I just got home from work and all of my stuff I ordered for my 336A has arrived. The camo stock,Skinner sights, xs scope rail, scope rings, and of course the leupold scout scope. I guess I am going to do some gunsmithing tonight if I get the chance after the kids go to bed. If I do I will take some before and after pics to post. I just hope all of the stuff I ordered fits.
I'll let you know later. Hope your xs gr's work out.

Nematocyst
March 19, 2007, 07:53 PM
...all of my stuff I ordered for my 336A has arrived. The camo stock,Skinner sights, xs scope rail, scope rings, and of course the leupold scout scope.Whoa! Christmas in March! :D

Congrats. Bet you're a happy person. :)

Matt Dillon
March 19, 2007, 08:02 PM
Folks, a good friend of mine has acquired a Marlin lever action 30-30 (I'm not sure of the precise model) that is not sighted in correctly, and would like me to help him sight it in. I looked at it, and could see no adjustment screws on the rear or front sights. It looks as though pretty much all you can do is bend the rear sight! Is that it, or is there some sort of adjustment tool or technique used to sight these in? Thanks so much in advance for your help:confused:

Nematocyst
March 19, 2007, 08:13 PM
Matt, others here are probably more qualified to answer your rear sight adjustment question than me (since I'm a relative newbie and not a fan of the stock sights), but the way I adjusted windage on mine was to tap the rear sight to the right or left with a small punch. (It'll slide over in the dovetail in the barrel.)

Shift it in the same direction that you want to move POI. That is, to move point of impact to the left, move the rear sight to the left.

It's imprecise, but it works with a bit of trial and error.

Please take this with appropriate number of grains of salt until expertise arrives. :)

Nem

Legionnaire
March 20, 2007, 12:21 AM
Hey Nem, you left me off your roster! I've already posted to this thread (http://thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3157120&postcount=54), and included a link to a range report on my 336RC. Been on the road recently, so didn't see the omission until today.

Great stuff here, by the way ...

electrode1998
March 20, 2007, 12:27 AM
Hey anybody how the heck you remove the rear factory sights on a 336 A? I cannot find out any way to get them off so I can mount my xs scout scope rail. This is one of the last parts of my refit project on the gun and it is also one of the most important.
Thanks for any help. I have looked at the owners manual and all it tells me is how not to shoot someone.

Brassman
March 20, 2007, 12:29 AM
Nem is exactly correct on how to move that rear sight. A good way to remember which way to move what is "FORS" front-opposite, rear-same. It usually doesn't take too much moving to get them sighted in unless the sight is already bent from being dropped or someone incorrectly bending things when they should be drifting them in the dovetail with a punch just like New said.

Electrode,
Just use a punch and drift the sight all the way out of the dovetail, but don't lose the sight. You may want to go back to it later. You never know.

fiVe
March 20, 2007, 01:34 AM
You could just mention that you're a member of The 336 Club. We carry a lot of weight there.
Why, I was talking with Marlin's president over dinner last weekend, and ...


Nem, that gave me a chuckle. You are too cool.

I'm enjoying (and learning from) this thread more and more.

R/fiVe

Nematocyst
March 20, 2007, 02:34 AM
Legion,

Sincere apologies for leaving you off. My bad. Not intentional.

I'm going to post another updated roster in a couple of days. You'll be on it.

So glad to find such interest and information in here.

Nem

Charshooter
March 20, 2007, 03:17 AM
During my gun shows days, I picked out the best looking Marlins I could find, then traded them if they did not shoot well. I have a few choice ones now and they are probably the last rifles I will sell and most likely, they will be handed down after I am gone. I hope they stay in the family. The 30-30 is just too pretty and the 35 Rem is close, both have gold trigger half-cock and the Walnut is superb.

SSN Vet
March 20, 2007, 12:13 PM
Nem said....

We carry a lot of weight there.

well I tried to weigh hot air on my little Lee reloading scale and it must weigh less than .1 grain, because it just wouldn't register...;) ;) ;)

Nematocyst
March 20, 2007, 03:46 PM
I tried to weigh hot air on my little Lee reloading scale and it must weigh less than .1 grain, because it just wouldn't register...:D

As I would have expected. ;)
_______________

I have a question about sighting in my 336 with the new ghost rings.

I'm hopefully :uhoh: going to get to the range for a while tomorrow.

I don't have any kind of "official" stand to set my rifle in while sighting in. At the range, there is an assortment of padded-fabric-covered wooden blocks (mostly made of either 2X4 or 4X4, etc), and there are sand bags available.

On my last trip, while trying to sight in my 39A, I realized that I have never been formally taught how to set up the rifle while sighting it. I found myself using a mismash of elbow support, barrel supported on blocks, etc. I realized that I wasn't even sure about where, exactly, to place the front end on the support block (relatively far forward or more back for greater balance?), or how high it should be, etc, etc. Nothing was really satisfactory, and I felt my consistency suffered because of it. (Not a good thing when shooting in general, but especially when sighting in!)

Can any of you recommend "the" way to go about it? That is, what is your sure fire (so to speak) bona fide method using blocks and/or sand bags for sighting in a center fire rifle, with specific attention to the 336 (if there are any special considerations for it)? If you have a link(s) to point to, all the better.

And if there are inexpensive stands (is that what they're called? Supports?) available that you'd recommend, I'm open to that too.

Neither of my rifles (336 nor 39A) are going to be "target" rifles. They're hunting guns. So I'm not interested in the most expensive fancy dancy equipment. I'm just looking for the best way to immobilize the rifle to accurately sight it in.

Then, I'll need to work on the best way to hold it (with and without support) in the field. (I'll ask that question in a later post.)

Thanks!

Nem

electrode1998
March 20, 2007, 05:26 PM
Thanks for the info on removing the sights on the 336A. I actually figured it out right after I took a break from my work on my gun. I guess I had to step away and take a fresh look at it.
Thanks again.

JustsayMo
March 20, 2007, 09:16 PM
Nem,
My advice to you would be to look for an experienced rifleman and ask for assistance. Most guys are more than willing to help. Some are full of crap but I've gotten some of my best tips from guys that I met at the range. Both Silhouette and Benchrest guys are among the best. At our club I have several Mentors that have improved my shooting by several fold. They are as happy to help as I am to learn.

As for rests and such. I haven't found that the zero from a fully supported rifle is necessarily the same as a rifle that was zero'd from a field position. Off the bench I'll use sandbags under the forend but never rear supports.

Shoot at a distance you can shoot groups (1" or 2" max) even if that is only 25 yards. Shoot groups and then move the sights. Don't chase the bull with a single shot. It will waste less ammo.

CrackerJim
March 20, 2007, 11:50 PM
I use the same set up for sighting in as I do for checking what loading the rifle likes best. I'll set up with support under the foregrip and under the butt. I like to take as much of the shooter out of the equation as possible.

If you make sure you're seeing the correct sight picture when you set up on the bench for sighting in, it should be good for shooting from any position. I shoot a carbine standing with a sling. My sight picture is the same and it shoots the same less the variances of my ability to shoot.

If when shooting, it shoots differently, it would seem that you're not getting the same sight picture as the bench work. This could be faulty bench set up or incorrect sight picture when shooting.

Good luck. I'm still considering the various iron sight options for my 336 carbine (I know that it'll be an aperture of some sort) and will be interested to hear your impressions of the ghost ring.

Jim

Z_Infidel
March 21, 2007, 11:01 AM
CrackerJim gives some good advice. A consistent sight picture is very important. My usual method is to use the bench with a front support beneath the forestock, with no rear support. The front rest I use is semi-soft, and I place my support hand between the forestock and the rest. Never set the forestock on a hard or rigid surface, as the rifle will react totally differently. I sight in for zero using this setup, trying to make my sight picture as near to the same as it is for practical shooting as possible. With an aperture or ghost ring, "cheek weld" on the rear stock can be important as far as consistency. Once I think I have the sights zeroed at the desired range I shoot from various practical shooting positions including sitting, standing with gun supported, and offhand. For shooting at distances beyond 100 yards or so, offhand isn't really of much use to me since I can't consitently get good hits beyond that distance offhand. However, one benefit of ghost ring sights is that they make offhand shots within reasonable distance quicker to line up and provide more likelihood of good hits on target. That's why the ghost ring shines out to the 70-100 yard range.

Nematocyst
March 22, 2007, 05:10 AM
J'Mo, Jim and Z,

Good advice. Thanks.

Thought I'd make it to the range today,
but alas, spent the day dealing with studio equipment failures. :(

But this is good advice.

Nem,
The 336 Club (at 5,776 views, still the most viewed thread in Rifle Country)

Nematocyst
March 22, 2007, 06:01 AM
Heads up, boys and girls.

There's an interesting discussion here (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=264137)
about the relationship between .357 (as rifle rnds) and .30-30.

The 30/30 Kicks [.357's] ass on game!!

glockman19
March 24, 2007, 07:33 PM
Nematocyst,

What is the difference between the 336A and 336W. A 336W is on sale for $359. Is that a good deal? I don't have a lever gun and I'm torn between a Marlin and Henry.
The 336W comes with:

6 shot tublar magazine 20"
Micro Groove Barrel
Cut Checkered Finished Hardwood Wanut Stock
Hard rubber butt plate
swivles & padded nylon sling
and it's tapped for a scope mount

Nematocyst
March 24, 2007, 07:47 PM
G'man,

The main difference is that the A has a fore end cap, where as the W has a fore end barrel band instead. That aspect probably doesn't matter much for this rifle (although there is some indication that it matters in target rifles).

Other than that, the A doesn't have the gold trigger (I actually like that it does not), and is missing the sling (I didn't like the stock sling on the W. Would have replaced it with a Claw, which I put on my A.)

Both have the same stock (birch) and stock sights (now replaced on mine). The A is also available with a factory mounted scope, but no one seems to know what it is. (See question about it from earlier in this thread.)

For more on the A v. W story, you might want to check the links in post 18 of this thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3147803&postcount=18). Nothing specifically comparing A with W, but there's A v. C and C v. W.

And no, I don't think $359 is a good price on a W. That's what I paid for my A (with FFL and shipping). Around here, W's go for as low as $300 NIB at the chain stores, and that's regular, not on sale. I'd look around a bit more.

I can't offer any info on a Marlin v. Henry comparison in the center fire calibers. I hope maybe some body else here can, though: I'd be interested.

I can say with respect to their .22 LR rifles (39A, for example) that I find them substantially different. While the Henry is clearly a good rifle for its price point, and is a very good seller, and their owners like them, they're no where the quality of a 39A.

Again, I have no knowledge of Henry center fire rifles, however.

Good luck with your decision, and please keep us posted about it.

Let us know if you have more questions. Don't hesitate to ask.
I'm confident there are answers in this group.

Nem

christophera
March 24, 2007, 11:10 PM
Boy I haven't posted on the high road in a while but am interested in the 336. Anyone know what the street price is on the stainless version?

Nematocyst
March 24, 2007, 11:18 PM
Welcome back, Christopher. Nice of you to stop by the club.
I continue to be amazed at how many views this thread is getting. :what:
A lot of people must really like this rifle.

I don't have a price check for you, but I'll bet others will.

Nem

electrode1998
March 25, 2007, 12:04 PM
Hey Christopher,
I just checked a local wholesaler here in Baton Rouge, LA. They list two models of 336 in stainless in the 30-30 cal. They are the 336ss and the 336xlr. They only list m.s.r.p. prices but they are: 336ss=$622.00 and 336xlr=$782.00. That may be high or not depending what part of the U.S. you are shopping in. Also most of the time the guns never sell for as high as the m.s.r.p. just like cars don't.
That listing may definetly be high since they also list the 336A for $423 "on sale" and they were the supplier to my gun store just 4 months ago when I bought my 336A and I got it for $350 plus tax. Also Academy Sports and Wally world usually sell the 336W for about the low $300s.
Hope the info. helps out.

electrode1998
March 25, 2007, 12:11 PM
Hey Nem,
Glad to see you post again. Missed your postings for a couple of days. I am just about reworking my 336A with my Christmas in march stuff. I was out of batteries in my camera before I started so I could not take "before" pics but I will take "after" pics and post them. Anyway you know what the gun looks like before since it is the exact same model as yours. I have to admit the gun looks totally differently. I have looked thru the skinner sights and the leupold scout scope and I cannot wait to shoot this thing!!!! I did not have the mounting problems you encountered with your xs front sights with my skinner sights since the skinners use the existing front base with the single screw.
Talk to you later,
E'trode

Nematocyst
March 25, 2007, 05:10 PM
E'trode, I was buried under work for the last couple of weeks (finishing my academic term), but now have about two weeks of "spring break" to get caught up, work on my the new tools in my "toolkit" (336, 39A, 686 ...), and write some in the "clubs".

I'm planning on taking a few of those days away,
so if I disappear for a while, you can find me in the mountains. :rolleyes:

Really looking forward to seeing images of the Christmas in March rifle.

By the way, in terms of the prices on those stainless Marlin's, yeah, I'll bet the street price is going to be considerably under those. I've never seen a price on the 336ss, but my local store did have a 336 XLR recently. Seems like the price was somewhere in the $600+ realm, but I can't remember. (They're very nice guns, even though I doubt I'll end up with one ...)

Nem

christophera
March 26, 2007, 12:08 AM
Yeah I checked a while back and thought it might be $350 or $450. Sounds like $450. I know for a fact it wasn't over $500. Thanks the ballpark for the W and A models helped me remember.:rolleyes:

chorlton
March 26, 2007, 10:50 AM
I've seen the xlr for sale at sportsmans warehouse for under $600. The C is about $450, and the A & W are pretty low, as low as $330 at academy and walmart.

jkingrph
March 26, 2007, 05:52 PM
I have Dad's old 336SC in 35 Rem. He bought it sometime in late 52 early 53. and went deer hunting a few times. He never shot it much until I started reloading and finally got a nice S&W K-38 and learned that the 150swc made good plinking loads in his 35. In '98 I got a 200 gr Lyman mold for it and cleaned it up and had taken it out to test fire some, got home and had a call that he was in the hospital( 200 miles away in Louisiana where I grew up). I put the gun aside but did throw a target in and took off. He was in bad shape but was pleased to see how well the old gun had done. Sadly he died three days later. I still have the rifle which shall go to my son someday when he gets a larger house and a place to store it along with my collection. Hope thats a long time though, he is now an attorney in Jackson, Ms and I live in E. Texas so if I part with them too soon I will not be able to shoot and have the memories close by as I get older.

I just ran across this "club" and one for the 39-a . How does one sign up or is it a post as you wish affair?

Nematocyst
March 26, 2007, 06:21 PM
I just ran across this "club" and one for the 39-a . How does one sign up or is it a post as you wish affair?Jkingrph, welcome. I saw your post over on the 39A Club and added your name to the roster there.

We're a "post as you wish affair". I'm aiming (so to speak) to keep an "official" roster of any one who posts. Not really "official", but just so we can see all the names in one place. I'll update the roster p probably tomorrow.

Great story, although a sad one. Did your dad actually get to see the rifle before his death?

jkingrph
March 26, 2007, 06:43 PM
Yes, he did see it, I had cleaned it up, gotten some new action screws from Marlin to replace ones that I had buggered up as a teen ager. We actually went out to shoot it at the Ouachita Parish range, In Monroe, La. about a month to six weeks before he died but did not get too. This was an old Army/Air Corp range located adjacent to the airport. One of the approach/departure routes carries aircraft just over and downrange of the bullet barrier which is hugh ( they used to use for light artillery and heavy machine guns) Some times in fairly recent years , early to mid 80's I think, the FAA made the Sheriffs dept install a concrete block wall in front of rifle benches with windows (holes) to shoot through, the idea being no one could hit airplane , not considering that it had not happened in over 50 years of use. To make a long story short, just prior to that weekend there had been some extremely violent, strong straight line windstorms and they blew that concrete block wall down , so he did not get too fire his now new looking rifle with the new loads. Wish it could have been!

MrDig
March 29, 2007, 06:07 PM
Hey we need to keep this thing going...

JRLaws
March 29, 2007, 06:13 PM
Add me to the club please.

I'm shopping for a 336, my first, this weekend and would love to join. This thread has been a BIG help for me and could not have come at a better time.

Thanks all! I'm on my way.

Nematocyst
March 29, 2007, 06:19 PM
JR, welcome to the club.

MDig, thanks for the ping. I was intending to put up something (see my range report below) later today after work.

I agree we need to keep this going. I've still got a LOT of questions to ask about many aspects of this rifle, but just too little time at the moment to devote.

My apologies for not doing better with it for the last few days. Last Saturday, I started my two week "spring break" (until my next set of classes begin), and had hoped it was going to be a vacation. It's turned into more of a working vacation. :( I'm hoping to take four days off next week before I have to go back to work again, but it's not looking good. I'm busting buns to get all the work done so I can get to the mountains for a few days, and have been slacking in this thread.

OK, I'll stop whining.

I did manage to get to the range yesterday with my 336 complete with new XS GR. So far, I have mixed feelings about them.

First off, I still haven't gotten them satisfactorily sighted at 50 yds. If I understand correctly, they're supposed to be factory set for 100 yds, but I just can't imagine starting with them at 100. Not with my eyes. So I wanted to adjust down to 50 to start.

After a lot of shots just to hit paper, and a fair amount of adjusting, they're hitting about 5-6" high. (I can get dead bullseye by aiming at the bottom edge of the paper.) But the rear is cranked almost all the way down already, so I'm almost out of room.

This is with the integral ramp front sight (the one the XS rep told me by phone I needed).

So, I'm not quite sure what to do next. I ran out of time (and nearly out of rnds) before I could explore any more options yesterday.

Looking at the direction sheet that came with them, I find two "sight picture" images, but I found a confusing explanation of them.

In one, labeled "tall front post in a ramp", the top of the post appears to be higher in the ring than the post in the other image which is labeled "front post in a ramp". (Not "tall post", just "post".) There is no elaboration of that anywhere I can find.

So, I'm not sure if I have a "post" or a "tall post".

Guess I'll call XS and discuss this.

Any advice from you all appreciated of course.

OK, back to work for a while, er ... vacation.

You folks please keep the conversation going in my sporadic absence. :o

Nem

Sniper X
March 29, 2007, 06:24 PM
Found a 336C for $249.00 yesterday, 95% like new, in 30-30 should I go buy it now?

JRLaws
March 29, 2007, 06:43 PM
Nematocyst-870,

I found this on the XS Sight Systems web site (faq #10):

I am shooting way high and the sight is bottomed out!! This normally occurs with shooters who have used regular aperture sights before but not Ghost Ring style sights. Most aperture sights have disc in them with a small sight hole through it. The hole is so small that sometimes target shooters will fire on the wrong target because they can see only the bullís-eye of the target. A Ghost Ring Aperture gives you a wide field of view. You will see all the front sight, some of the ramp or barrel and a whole lot more. This confounds some shooters who try to see just the blade of the front sight. Doing this sets the front sight low in the aperture and then when they place the tip of the front sight on target it causes the bullet impact to be way high. Once again concentrate on the tip of the front sight and donít worry about what else you see in the aperture unless it is the eight point buck standing just to the left of the six point you are aiming at!

See it that helps and don't be afraid to give'em a ring.

TnBigBore
March 29, 2007, 07:17 PM
I am a Marlin 336 fanatic. I currently own 4 in 35 Remington, 2 in 30-30 in addition to several other Marlin leveractions. To me, the Marlin 336 is the best balanced, smoothest operating, best looking leveraction ever made.

My current go to gun for deer hunting is a 336RC 35 made in 1960. It is topped with a Leupold 2-7 compact and will put 4 rounds of the new Hornady Leverevolution inside of 1" at 100yds every time if I do my part. My backup is usually my 336 Marauder 35 topped with a Leupold 2.5X compact. It is one light, handy rig and will shoot 2" groups all day.

I just found this thread, and have enjoyed reading it.

Nematocyst
March 29, 2007, 08:04 PM
Found a 336C for $249.00 yesterday, 95% like new, in 30-30 should I go buy it now?

Sniper, if it's 95%, then - IMO - don't walk, RUN get that 336C before it walks off! :D

JR, you are a kind, helpful scholar. Thank you very much for that XS FAQ. Sounds like it was written for me. I'm virtually certain it addresses my specific issue.

I just checked with mine; yep, i can see that would make a difference.

I've also resolved to:

1) take off the rear buckhorns (but keep for emergencies). Even folded down, they're interfering with my sight picture in the GR.

2) install the smaller aperture in the GR. For sighting in and learning how to use it, I think that will be better, more like an aperture. Once I learn how to use them, then, for hunting, I can put the other one back in. Thoughts? Good idea or no?

TBB, welcome to 336-ville and THR. Glad you're here, 'specially since you're one of those heretical scope folks like me. :rolleyes: Can't wait to hear more about both your scopes, but especially that Leupold 2.5X compact. Exactly what I've got in mind for this puppy, with the GR's as backups.

To me, the Marlin 336 is the best balanced, smoothest operating, best looking leveraction ever made. Oh, you're gonna like it here.

...my 336 Marauder 35...Oh, now there's one I've not heard of. Marauder? Details? Links? Images?
___________

Thanks, everyone. It already feels like a good space here; very homey and comfortable. I'm enjoying reading and learning lots. Looking forward to a long, interesting, informative thread.

Nem

Nematocyst
March 29, 2007, 09:00 PM
OK, let me just admit up front here that I may be an idiot.

(I am a biologist, and they didn't always let us take a lot of physics, especially optics and such...:rolleyes: .)

But something about this doesn't make sense. (My emphasis.)

A Ghost Ring Aperture gives you a wide field of view. You will see all the front sight, some of the ramp or barrel and a whole lot more. This confounds some shooters who try to see just the blade of the front sight. Doing this sets the front sight low in the aperture and then when they place the tip of the front sight on target it causes the bullet impact to be way high. Once again concentrate on the tip of the front sight and don’t worry about what else you see in the aperture unless it is the eight point buck standing just to the left of the six point you are aiming at!OK, but wait. I'm holding my unloaded 336 now. (Well, a second ago; had to put it down to type this.)

I'm interpreting "Doing this..." as "...try to see just the blade of the front sight".

They're suggesting that's NOT the right way to form a sight picture, correct?

Based on the experiment I just did with mine, if I'm looking at only the tip of the blade through the GR, my barrel is lower (and therefore a shot should be lower) than if I'm looking at the entire blade AND the ramp AND some of the barrel. The former situation - tip of blade only - should LOWER my shot, not RAISE it.

What am I missing here. Am I misinterpreting what XS is suggesting in that FAQ?

Is this so obvious that an eighth grader could figure it out
the night before deer season begins, after math homework?

Was my acceptance into several graduate schools a mistake? :confused:

Nematocyst
March 29, 2007, 09:19 PM
Just for reference ...

I found this image in another thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=3181403&postcount=36) a while back.
I even made it my desktop for a while, just to burn the image into my mind.

Admittedly this image is specifically for an "aperture sight", not a GR, but isn't the principle the same?

If the front post goes lower, the barrel goes lower, the shot goes lower ... right?

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54560&d=1173339636

Brassman
March 29, 2007, 10:40 PM
I agree. The 336 is the purtiest rifle ever made and very well balanced. I have a 39A and the 336 is even better than it. I love the way my 336's just jump to my shoulder ready to go!

Dave Markowitz
March 29, 2007, 10:43 PM
Nem,

Your graphic shows the correct sight picture for an aperture sight. I don't care for the way that the paragraph quoted from XS website explains how to use aperture sights. Differentiating between the front sight as a whole and the tip of the front sight is confusing things.

When shooting with iron sights, you are dealing with three optical planes:

1. The target.
2. The front sight.
3. The rear sight.

The human eye can focus on one plane only at any given time. So ... the key to using iron sights -- ghost ring or open -- is to focus on the front sight. Period. The target and the rear sight will be fuzzy. That's OK.

When aiming your 336, look through the rear aperture. Don't consciously try to center the front sight in it, your eye will do that naturally. Focus on the front sight. Even with the target blurry you'll be able to put the front sight where it needs to be. Do this consistently and you'll be able to shoot tight groups.

Brassman
March 29, 2007, 10:43 PM
Do you reload for you 336? Making your own really cuts down on the cost of sighting in. Sorry to keep brining up handloads, but I love it as much as shooting.:)

velojym
March 30, 2007, 12:06 AM
336C in .30-30, and I'll take a pic 'n post it.

Since my teen years in the '80s, I've owned a Marlin levergun. On weekends you'd find a friend and me trekking in Blanco Canyon, he with his .50cal frontstuffer, me carrying my trusty 336CS. I used that rifle as a brace, I wedged it between trees for a handle so I could climb a steep stream cut (dry most of the year), shot mostly rocks and pine cones... At times, life was damned good.
In a fit of stupidity, I sold it after 14 years of faithful service, and with a little elbow grease it looked nearly new, so I got a decent price for it.
Only months later, experiencing seller's remorse, I picked up my current rifle.
I'm planning on mounting a peep sight, and maybe that scout scope mount posted earlier in this thread.

velojym (velo)


added for Nematocyst:
If you edit new members into the opening post of the thread, and include a link to that page in your posts, you won't have to always post new member lists, or keep up with 'em. Then, you can just leave it to the new members to get your attention so you can edit their names into the roll on page one.

Also... did I meet you off the coast of South Carolina? That hurt like hell, ya know. ;)

Nematocyst
March 30, 2007, 03:05 AM
When aiming your 336, look through the rear aperture. Don't consciously try to center the front sight in it, your eye will do that naturally. Focus on the front sight. Even with the target blurry you'll be able to put the front sight where it needs to be. Do this consistently and you'll be able to shoot tight groups.Dave, I understand. That all makes sense.

But I confess - and maybe I'm being dense here - I'm still confused about how to get this elevation thing solved. I still don't understand why I'm hitting so high at 50 yds.

Somehow, I've got to get that barrel down, and that means adjusting that rear sight so that when my eye naturallys center the front sight in it, I'm on target. That's the part I'm missing.

Nematocyst
March 30, 2007, 03:09 AM
B'man, I don't reload yet. I've been just too poor and too busy to take on another task right now. I really, really hope to someday though. A shooting buddy and I have talked about the possibility of investing in some equipment for shared use.

Velo, welcome in. Sorry about all those nematocyst discharges in S. Carolina. It's just automatic for us. :p

Your idea is an interesting one, but alas, there's a short window when the EDIT function is open. After a few days, it closes, and no more edits of previous posts are possible. So, I just have to keep updating the list.

Nematocyst
March 30, 2007, 03:23 AM
Speaking of updating the list...
Here's quite a fine gathering of folks.

Current count: 73 ... and growing ...

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velojym
March 30, 2007, 03:26 AM
Ah, darn. Well, I thought it'd be a good idea, anyway. :rolleyes:
Another way might be to have the list on another site, like MySpace, and linked on the sig line. Just trying to figure a way to make your life a little easier.

One of my dawgs has the same issue with his tongue... I think it's a nervous condition, but he has to lay that big sloppy thing on every freakin' thing.

Nematocyst
March 30, 2007, 03:31 AM
Just trying to figure a way to make your life a little easier.Thanks for the thought. :o

It's a five minute job to update though. I just cut and paste the last one, then scroll through new pages, cut and paste new names into the old list.

It's actually kind of interesting to paste the new list in to the thread every-once-in-a-while to see how we're growing, remind everyone who's here...

One of my dawgs has the same issue with his tongue... I think it's a nervous condition, but he has to lay that big sloppy thing on every freakin' thing.LOL.

Dave Markowitz
March 30, 2007, 10:21 AM
But I confess - and maybe I'm being dense here - I'm still confused about how to get this elevation thing solved. I still don't understand why I'm hitting so high at 50 yds.

Somehow, I've got to get that barrel down, and that means adjusting that rear sight so that when my eye naturallys center the front sight in it, I'm on target. That's the part I'm missing.

If you need to lower the point of impact then you lower the rear sight. If the rear sight is bottomed out and you're still hitting high, you need a taller front sight blade. You can get taller front sights from Williams or Brownells, maybe Midway.

How high are you shooting at 50? Have you tried it at 100? I'd go for a 100 yard zero, which will increase your point blank range (the furthest range at which you can hold dead on and the bullet will impact within a few vertical inches of your POA, close enough so that it doesn't make a difference to the shootee).

ryoushi
March 30, 2007, 10:41 AM
I'm in! I have other rifles but my 336 is so handy, versitle and fun it's the one I shoot the most. If I could afford fancy ass scopes I might feel otherwise.

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