Colts XSE or S&W 1911 SC


February 25, 2007, 10:10 PM
I'm struggling with a decision whether to get the Colt XSE in commander size or the S&W 1911 PD (scandium) or Stainless also in commander size.

I'm convinced that I want the commander 4.25" size, but both the Colt and S&W seem to be very comparable. The S&W is approx. 8 ounces lighter due to the scandium frame, but if I go stainless, any weight savings is lost. But availability is harder :cuss:


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Texas Colt
February 25, 2007, 10:17 PM
I would personally go with the Colt. I have a stainless XSE and I love it!

If you want the lighter weight frame, get the Colt Lightweight XSE.

February 25, 2007, 10:33 PM
I recently bought a Colt Commander XSE stainless with a stainless frame. I am not impressed with the overall workmanship of my particular pistol.

My early model Kimber Classic Custom is superior in all regards as compared to the Colt. I suspect the S&W will be as well, although I do not own a S&W 1911.

February 25, 2007, 10:49 PM
I've got an older XSE that has been absolutely a joy to own & shoot! Recommend them highly! :D

Ala Dan
February 25, 2007, 10:57 PM
I don't own the S&W scandium frame commander length 1911; but I do own
the all stainless 5" S&W 1911, product code #108282. It has run flawlessly
from day one and has the Novak sights, beavertail grip safety, skeletonized
trigger, and combat hammer. Just knowing that this particular gun runs right
along side my more expensive Les Baer TRS, and without any problems; I'd
have too vote for the S&W~! :scrutiny: ;) :D

February 25, 2007, 11:07 PM
You'll find the weight difference significant (Scandium S&W vs steel Colt). I don't own a Colt Commander but I do own the S&W PD and so far it's proven to be a very good pistol in all respects.

February 25, 2007, 11:18 PM
That IS a hard decision! I'll tell you I have several nice Combat Commanders (series 70's) and CCW my S&W1911PD instead, half a pound being alot. They both are reliable, my Gunsite Edition is dehorned with super Novak Gold bead sights.The S&W is everybit as accurate as a standard Colt Commander, it would take a Barsto Barrel to beat the S&W. The trigger on the S&Ws I've seen is much better than newer 80 series Colt, MUCH better.:)

February 26, 2007, 08:58 PM
I can't find a weight on Colt's site but the aluminum framed XSE (O4860XSE) should weigh about the same as a scandium S+W. It may be a little different but not 8 oz.

The grip safety is a different shape on the Colt, I am not sure if you would really feel the difference, but you might.

February 27, 2007, 12:57 PM
I had occasion to buy a Colt Stainless Government XSE and then a SW1911Sc 5".

Both are fine examples of the 1911-type design. The XSE was my 4th Colt Model O Pistol.

If I buy another 1911-type pistol ... it'll be another SW1911.;)

I've been thinking about one of the Gunsite SW1911PD's, too. It would replace the original Colt Lightweight Commander I so foolishly traded off in the early 70's.

Oh yeah, about having bought both a Colt XSE and a SW1911 ...

When I reach into the safe to pick a 1911 to shoot for an extended range session, it's the SW1911Sc. ;)

February 27, 2007, 01:28 PM
Can't tell you which you should choose but can tell you my personal experience with the S&W 1911Sc. I have owned and carried mine for about two years and, as you can see from the pic, it is an early model with the
"billboard" on the side
It is a Commander model and unoaded weight just 26 ounces which allows me to carry it in a IWB FIST #1 Clip holster
Because of its weight it has been a marvelous concealed carry piece. It has been 100% reliable across its life so far and accuracy is more than just reasonable. I certainly recommend it without reservation.

February 27, 2007, 01:42 PM

I love the pics!

February 27, 2007, 02:11 PM
Go with the Colt Lightweight Commander XSE.

February 27, 2007, 02:44 PM
Colt better resale value and no schwartz safety.

February 27, 2007, 04:25 PM
Go with the Smith scandium! You know you want it! :)

larry starling
February 27, 2007, 05:27 PM
Go with the Colt. My XSE's have been great...I can't say the same for my S&W or any kimber I have owned......:cool:

February 27, 2007, 05:30 PM
Just finished the exact same "shopping" myself.
I had and sold an early SW 1911. Had some problems, they very quickly took care of. But accuracy was never very good compared to my 5 inch guns.

Found that the new Smith 1911and the colt lightweight commander had a $20 price difference.

Had advice from some smith's that at the end of the day, the colt would be worth more. I did buy the colt and it has functioned great.

One point I overlooked, was customizing the frame. The colt frame is anodized aluminum, with a teflon coating for hardness. Any modifications (checkering) will requie more cost to re-finish.
That's were the Smith scandium pays off.

February 27, 2007, 05:45 PM
Not sure I understand the question...arent all 1911's made by Colt. Just kidding but I too think you should opt for the Colt

February 27, 2007, 06:39 PM
I had one of the more recent 1911SC's and while it was light and felt good in my hand I did not like the recoil while shooting 230gr. bullets, therefore I traded it.

February 27, 2007, 08:13 PM
I'd run with the Colt. I think they are the ""real deal" that will protect you and hold value all at the same time.

Slvr Surfr
February 27, 2007, 08:36 PM
Ive got the Scandium commander for CCW. Its the way to go. I think bang for buck they are the best! I think the Scandium will also go a long way toward longevity as well.

February 27, 2007, 09:10 PM
The way I go!

March 4, 2007, 01:54 AM
Well, after a long debate and ongoing comparisons at my local store I decided on a S&W 1911SC 4.25" in stainless.

Here it is with his roommate. I'm not sure on how to post pictures, but hopefully one of the links will work.

Thanks for all the help. I can't wait to take it to the range and test it out. Now I have to decide on a holster. I'm thinking Milt Sparks either the Versa Max II or Summer II

March 4, 2007, 02:05 AM
Nice. Congrats.

I'm personally waiting until S&W starts nitrocarbing their commander size 1911's, so the steel (not just finish) will be as tough as that of your "roomate" there. They are already treating their sw1911pd 5" version, only company I know of that is doing so on a factory 1911 (chemical equivalent of tennifer that is). Don't know why they are limiting it to just that model.

October 15, 2009, 05:03 PM
I could have authored this post. I'm considering the same two pistols. I have never owned a Colt (part of the reason I'm looking at the XSE) but I do own an early model 5" S&W 1911 (with the billboard rollmark as noted in a post above this one). I have not had one problem with that gun. I've got about 2K rounds thru her now, flawless. I have changed out the recoil spring a couple times but that's normal.

Both guns have things I don't want. The Colt has an ambi safety, don't think that would be good for IWB carry, it might become disengaged accidentally from being pushed against something I'm leaning against. I'm sure everyone who carries one will tell me that will never happen. I learned a long time ago to never say never in this crazy world. I don't like the extended baseplate on the S&W mags. I'm sure they can be replaced with flush fit plates. If not I could purchase replacement mags. I like the external extractor myself, unlike most 1911 fans.

I may just buy an M&P 45 compact. I have a M&P 9c that I carry now. Sweet little gun I tell ya. Carries well, shoots straight, ammo is cheaper than .40 or .45, and shoots clean, very easy to clean.

I do like the fact that both companies are American. I think both are excellent companies that deserve our business. One of them is gonna get more of mine. Enjoy your new friend.


October 15, 2009, 05:29 PM
Hey, an older thread revived ...

Somebody had an interest in the topic and some time on their hands, it seems.

Since my earlier posting in this thread I've picked up a M&P 45 full-size model (with thumb safeties, as a nod toward my long time use of 1911's, and night sights).

It has become the first .45 pistol I reach for when getting ready to leave for a long session at the range. I finally had to start making myself leave it at home and take one of my 1911's to the range, instead. While I enjoyed running a few hundred rounds of duty-type loads through my XSE for a few range sessions, at the same time I missed the M&P 45.

My M&P 45 has easily rivaled the inherent and practical accuracy of my XSE and SW1911SC 5" guns, even out to 50+ yards. Naturally, having night sights on the M&P makes it a bit more practical for low/reduced light sessions. For some reason I've just never gotten around to putting night sights on my 1911's, although several of my other 'working' guns have them. I suppose that indicates to some extent where my priorities have been shifting over the years.

Although I also picked up a M&P 40c, I rather like the M&P pistol platform chambered in .45 ACP.

I've handled and fired a fair number of plastic framed .45's over the years, and the M&P was the first one which has suited me this well. Of the nine .45 pistols I presently own, it's my only plastic .45.

I'm fairly sure that I'll add either Mid-size or Compact M&P 45 to my retirement collection sometime. The shorter slide/barrel configuration interests me for actual carry use. The slightly smaller grip frame of the compact model interests me the most in this regard, at the moment, but I may well end up with both. ;)

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