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Hawk
February 26, 2007, 01:55 PM
I'm no expert in such matters but it seems the CTi was designed specifically to be taken afield.

Has anybody entertained the notion of using the thing for (mostly) a clay gun? Gun-Tests gave it a lukewarm reception due mostly to the thing needing a bath every 500 rounds and it's new enough to be something of an unknown. The recoil mitigation voodoo might allow for a 7-1/2# target gun to be used all day, but I'm guessing I may be the only one wondering if such is practical apart from just being different.

...not that I've ever considered "just being different" not a worthy goal in and of itself.

Just wonderin...

Oldnamvet
February 26, 2007, 02:38 PM
The only person I personally know who purchased one got it specifically for clay targets, not field use. He had shoulder surgery and needed to mitigate the recoil as much as possible. He claims this gun does it, despite any of its other "new model" problems.

theCZ
February 26, 2007, 04:06 PM
One thing I've noticed about Gun Tests is that their pistol reviews are much stronger than their shotgun reviews. They review pistols as if most of them are more experienced and familiar and it seems a lot of times their shotgun reviews are written from a more inexperienced angle. I treat their reviews more as opinions worth regarding instead of gospel.

That said, I'm very curious about the 105CTi.

chilly460
February 26, 2007, 04:12 PM
I'd say the Beretta 391 and Browning Gold gained popularity as a field gun being used as a clays gun, which eventually led to target specific guns being rolled out. I imagine the 105 will follow much the same path. I see no reason it couldn't be used at clay games, I've shot a Browning Gold Evolve which is sub 7lbs and it's fine for 100rds with target loads. Granted, an 8lb gun would be better, and I don't want to shoot 1300fps Nitros out of it...but it works OK and weight could easily be added if so desired. If the 105 is better at attenuating recoil, which all reports verify is true, it should be fine as a clays gun.

Dave McCracken
February 26, 2007, 10:28 PM
Bruce Buck, the Technoid, did a review of the 105 for Shooting Sportsman. He was less than kind about some QC issues and the stock. The stock is impossible to lengthen due to the convex pad.

He called the trigger the best he had ever seen on a semi auto. Buck also liked the recoil reduction and the pointability.

IMO, the 105 is going to be oneheackuva shotgun when the bugs are ironed out. Whether it'll beat out the 391 is an open question.

Rumor has it that a 30" barrel will be available soon....

dpote
February 27, 2007, 12:20 AM
Has anybody entertained the notion of using the thing for (mostly) a clay gun?

I'm entertaining that notion right now. My wife has other notions, though.
I *really* want one of these, but I do also want to wait to see what kind of problems people might have with one. Over on shotgunworld.com, there has been some discussion about them, mostly positive.
The whole gun seems to be contrasts. The Ithaca and Browning style eject. And the clash of carbon fiber and wood really appeals to me.
I would want the stock to be adjustable, though. Maybe a system similar to the Mossberg Stock Drop? External chokes would be nice too, for quick change and tightening while on the SC course.

Dave

Smitty in CT
February 28, 2007, 11:11 AM
from the 105CTI Owners Manual....

AMMUNITION:
The 12 gauge Model 105 CTI™ is designed to function
optimally with ammunition ranging from 2 ¾”, 2 ¾
dram 1 1/8 oz. loads, up to 3” Magnum Loads. Loads
lighter than 2 ¾”, 2 ¾ dram 1 1/8 oz. loads WITH A
PUBLISHED muzzle velocity less than 1290 FPS
May not create enough energy to fully cycle the firearm.

This tells me that the gun won't cycle the typical 1 oz. target loads very well..

I shouldered one of the CTI's at the NWTF show this past weekend it felt very nice and pointed really well, but, for $1500 I think it should be able to handle the light loads.

Smitty