Army CID and CCW


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Ragnar Danneskjold
February 26, 2007, 06:22 PM
I'm a new member of the National Guard, and my MOS is Military Police. I want to pursue a career in civilian law enforcement, and have though about transfer to a CID unit if possible, as that would help me along my way. I know MPs are not sworn LEOs and that we have no LEO authority outside that given to us on our own base. But I have heard that CID agents are indeed sworn Federal Agents. Now I am not looking to walk around flashing a badge and jangling my spurs, before any of those comments come up. I am just wondering if one's CCW status is effected in any way by being a CID Special Agent. Is it the same as any other federal agency, like the FBI or Marshal's Service? Does the national LEO concealed carry law apply to CID?

EDIT, mods could you be so kind as to move this to Legal?

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Titan6
February 26, 2007, 06:54 PM
CID agents are indeed federal agents of a type with world-wide apprehension powers for military personnel, those on federal property, those who are suspected of crimes on federal property or that which the Army has deemed a special interest.. go to
http://www.cid.army.mil

for more information.

Oh and going around flashing your shiny badge wear you are not authorized to be is very likely to have you in the clink.

More good news once you complete AIT for MP you will earn a decent number of college credits towards a criminal justice degree at a CONAP school. I think it is about 25-30.

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 26, 2007, 07:00 PM
Titan said: Oh and going around flashing your shiny badge wear you are not authorized to be is very likely to have you in the clink.

I Said : Now I am not looking to walk around flashing a badge and jangling my spurs, before any of those comments come up.

Not trying to be rude titan, maybe you glazed over that part of my post. :)

Thanks for the info though. Any idea about whether CID agents are included in the "national LEO CCW" laws?

GRIZ22
February 26, 2007, 08:41 PM
Taurusowner,

There are no CID units in the National Guard. All CID units are Army Reserve. If you go into one your carry authority would be limited to when you are performing duties for the Army. A Reservist in the CID has no additional carry authority when they are not in a pay status. Your unit will probably lock up your badge and creds when you are not in a pay status. Carrying a firearm will be dictated by policy when in pay status.

Federal officers carry weapons under stautory authority (law) or agency regulation. There is no single law that applies to all Federal officers as far as their authority to carry. In addition every agency has policies that dictate what you carry on and off duty.

P.S. I'm retired from a Federal agency and a LTC in in the USAR just to let you know where I'm coming from.

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 26, 2007, 08:43 PM
Q. Can I be in the CID program and be in the Reserves or National Guard?
A. Yes, you can. The CID program is available to Reservist and National Guardsmen and women. For more information please contact the Reserve liaison at 703-806-0698.

From cid.army.mil

That FAQ question is not very informative or definitive, but it does lead me to believe that I would not have to entirely switch from Guard to Reserve to do CID.

GRIZ22
February 26, 2007, 08:54 PM
Your MP experience in the National Guard counts toward the CID requirement. If you get into a CID unit you will leave the National Guard and go in the Army Reserve. You can't belong to both.

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 26, 2007, 08:56 PM
Ahh. Thanks for clarifying Colonel :)

Titan6
February 26, 2007, 09:02 PM
'Not trying to be rude titan, maybe you glazed over that part of my post.'

Nope, just wanted to make it clear to you that wasn't an option. I have seen more than one go down in flames...

Ragnar Danneskjold
February 26, 2007, 09:08 PM
Well I was really just asking about CCW. I know there are a number of places and states that do not honor a Michigan CCW, and some that even if they technically do, they will still give you a hassle. I also know that sworn LEOs are exempt from a lot of the state-by-state red tape involving CCW. And I also know the most Federal Agents are considered LEOs. I was wondering if CID was included in this.

Steve in PA
February 27, 2007, 12:27 AM
No, HR218 does not apply to anyone in the military.

If you have orders authorizing you to carry a weapon, that's all you need.

RevolvingCylinder
February 27, 2007, 12:32 AM
More good news once you complete AIT for MP you will earn a decent number of college credits towards a criminal justice degree at a CONAP school. I think it is about 25-30.
Really? Didn't hear about this. The college I've attended would not allow any of my military training to count for anything(I'm attending a different one next semester).

Wasn't aware that it counted toward that many credits.

nemoaz
February 27, 2007, 01:12 AM
Thanks for the info though. Any idea about whether CID agents are included in the "national LEO CCW" laws?

They will explain all the rules when you are in training. Frankly, I don't know what they are for reserve types. And it won't matter to you until you complete the training. Most federal agencies don't advertise the specifics of these policies for obvious officer safety reasons.

Stretchman
February 27, 2007, 05:49 AM
Go to www.military.com and check on schools there. They have a lot of programs that will transfer your training credits, and other credits you have, and you may be closer to a degree than you think.

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