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eclancy
February 27, 2007, 11:17 AM
Gentlemen
...change one thing on the M1 Garand Rifle working on it in the testing with Mr. Garand, what change would you make to this new weapon system. There are two (2) rules that you must go by. One NO DETACHABLE MAG. The second rule is it must remain as a SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE only. Follow those and see what you would come up with.

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hagar
February 27, 2007, 11:27 AM
Personally I would have advised him to shorten the oprod, and place the gas bleed hole further down the barrel.

Zullo74
February 27, 2007, 11:30 AM
I would have had Mr. Garand install the M-14 gas system. ;)

HorseSoldier
February 27, 2007, 11:31 AM
.276 Pedersen instead of 30-06.

zinj
February 27, 2007, 11:42 AM
Design a self-compensating gas system.

RTFM
February 27, 2007, 11:46 AM
Not change one damn thing.

Badger Arms
February 27, 2007, 11:47 AM
Gas system has to go:

The M14 gas system is good, but the G36 gas system is better. Easier to clean, lighter, etc.

Now, you said one alteration only? Darn, I have a list:
2) a roller for the bolt.
3) muzzle brake
4) clip-ejection cutoff lever that keeps your clips in the gun for range work
5) a scope mount rail like the M-14, or even Ruger mini-14
6) recoil pad (but not if I'm taking it into combat)

Ian
February 27, 2007, 12:03 PM
Ten rounds of .276 rather than 8 of .30.

DonP
February 27, 2007, 12:10 PM
1. An easy on, easy off, scope mount so you can use the iron sights or the scope, as needed.

2. An easier way to load less than a full clip

Devonai
February 27, 2007, 12:24 PM
As BA and Don touched on, I would have the bolt lock back on an empty clip, with the clip ejecting only when the release button is pressed. That way, individual rounds could be loaded into the clip while in place.

NateG
February 27, 2007, 01:16 PM
An adjustable gas port so I can use heavier bullets and slower powders. (Or does the M14 have that in its gas system, and thus I'm just being repetitive?)

Hoppy590
February 27, 2007, 01:30 PM
change the EnBloc system to either a (semi removeable) magazine such as the SMLE or K31 have. or if thats against your rules, then an internal magazine loaded by strippers

or maybe make it loadable by 2 seperate clips. so say its 2 four round clips. after 4 rounds are fired the operator has the option to top off the magazine with another 4 round clip. dont even know if thats physicaly possible. but i feel the EnBloc system is the rifles only down fall

DogBonz
February 27, 2007, 01:41 PM
Detatchable mags.... aha... how good does it feel just to say...

bmwguy
February 27, 2007, 01:45 PM
Full Auto! :uhoh:

Kaylee
February 27, 2007, 02:04 PM
Another vote for the shorter M14 (or whatever) gas system.
Better yet, something that doesn't have all the monkey motion going on outside the gun...

.. of course, then we'd basically be talking about an SKS on steroids. :)

earthman92
February 27, 2007, 02:38 PM
4) clip-ejection cutoff lever that keeps your clips in the gun for range work

There is a "Holbrook Device" that does that now. It's quite handy at the range and works great. Only $45.00 I believe.

High Planes Drifter
February 27, 2007, 04:42 PM
Another for the .276 Pederson over the .30-06. As much as I love the .30-06 cartridge, had we went with the .276 Pederson, who knows, it very well might still be in use to this day.

The Deer Hunter
February 27, 2007, 04:53 PM
.50BMG

mukluk
February 27, 2007, 04:53 PM
Put a hole in the rear of the receiver so one can clean the barrel from the chamber end.

byf43
February 27, 2007, 04:59 PM
Instead of the 'one size fits none' stock, lengthen the length of pull by at LEAST one inch.

That is the ONLY thing that I would change about this GRAND old Garand!

GarandOwner
February 27, 2007, 05:22 PM
BLASPHAMY!!!!! How dare you imply changing the greatest battle implement ever devised!:fire:

However I wouldnt mind changing THE PRICE! :neener:

Bazooka Joe71
February 27, 2007, 05:40 PM
The only thing I would change is the appeal...That way you guys didn't buy them all up and I could still find a good/cheap one.

KHawk
February 27, 2007, 07:34 PM
Other than the price, not one damn thing!:)

lamazza
February 27, 2007, 07:50 PM
some sort of a dust cover to protect the wide open action form dirt, mud, etc

GarandOwner
February 27, 2007, 09:03 PM
No dust cover is necessary, the M1 will still fire even if it does get mud dirt and dust in it.....what do you think it is an AR-15?! :what:

RevolvingCylinder
February 27, 2007, 09:45 PM
Availability

Badger Arms
February 27, 2007, 10:58 PM
4) clip-ejection cutoff lever that keeps your clips in the gun for range work

There is a "Holbrook Device" that does that now. It's quite handy at the range and works great. Only $45.00 I believe.

I've got the Holbrook Device. IF memory serves, I bought it from Holbrook himself at a gun show in Puyallup, Washington. Then again, I could be wrong. Works alright, but it's only a workable modification. I'd love a lever like the 1903 magazine cutoff. Rock it to one side, your clip auto-ejects. Rock it to the other side and your clip stays in the gun. If the gun is locked open with a clip loaded, operating the lever ejects the clip. Cool, eh? It worked in my mind, but I'm not a designer, just a theorists.

eclancy
February 28, 2007, 12:43 PM
Gentlemen,
Some great comebacks. I said NO Detachable Mag. I would have setup a 20 round mag that was NOT Detachable but like the Garand's son the M14 loading from a stripper clip. For ready load and toping off you mag.
Thanks again guys some great input.
Clancy
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Eightball
February 28, 2007, 07:23 PM
Instead of the 'one size fits none' stock, lengthen the length of pull by at LEAST one inch.

That is the ONLY thing that I would change about this GRAND old Garand!The stock fits me perfectly.

That being said, maybe rework the stock to have a pistol grip/align the barrel directly with the stock, and give the thing a muzzle brake at the end. And maybe put it in .276 Pederson (and modify the parts that need it for that purpose).

Other than that, nothing.

SoCalShooter
February 28, 2007, 07:26 PM
change!! change!! WTH are you serious? Well then I would have asked for a pistol grip and a detacheable magazine!

Neo-Luddite
February 28, 2007, 11:30 PM
.300 Win Mag

ReadyontheRight
March 1, 2007, 01:36 AM
Knowing what we know now...a scout scope mounting platform. Such as an integrated Weaver rail.

Knowing what they knew then? A true "tanker" or carbine version. Because they are so darn cool.

Limeyfellow
March 1, 2007, 02:29 AM
Knowing what they knew then? A true "tanker" or carbine version. Because they are so darn cool.

They did this at least twice. One was a paratrooper model trialed out in the summer of 1944 which 150 were made. The other the T26 only two were made and trialed out but WW2 ended before Patton and McArthur could get ahold of them into service.

What I would change? An adjustable or self regulating gas system. A different loading method involving stripper clip fed rounds. Oh and yes the .276 Pederson would have been nice. So would one in the 50s experimental British .280 round.

GarandOwner
March 3, 2007, 01:30 AM
Id make it so when I leave 2 of them in a room together unsupervised they COULD get pregnant and produce another M1 Garand..:neener:

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