Do you feel bad when taking advantage of others?


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jcwalsh
February 27, 2007, 04:56 PM
Well is it really taking advantage? There was a LNIB Beretta CX4 Storm listed for about 30 minutes on Craigslist yesterday before it got flagged. He had fired it once and installed the barrel shroud and foregrip(not pictured). He was asking $650 and I offered $500 which he jumped at. When I met him to pick it up today, I asked why he was selling it. He said that he was going to jail tomorrow if he did not pay off some debts.

I on the other hand always keep some cash ready to pick up deals. Also, I do love Craigslist. I picked up a Glock 17 for $350 a few months back.

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Big Calhoun
February 27, 2007, 05:11 PM
I've yet to get into any local gun deals. Waiting for the kid to come to know how much I'm going to be pinched by. Thank God for layaway

but...

When I met him to pick it up today, I asked why he was selling it. He said that he was going to jail tomorrow if he did not pay off some debts.

ROTFL!!!! Honesty, +1

Axman
February 27, 2007, 05:13 PM
I wouldn't call it taking advantage. You made an offer, he accepted that offer. Simple as that!

Standing Wolf
February 27, 2007, 05:17 PM
When I met him to pick it up today, I asked why he was selling it. He said that he was going to jail tomorrow if he did not pay off some debts.


There's no way you could be responsible for his financial predicament.

bruss01
February 27, 2007, 05:27 PM
You found a motivated seller who was willing to dicker.

Nothing wrong with that... free commerce, you both agreed to the transaction.

Now, it's a little different if you answer an ad in the paper that says "1963 chevy, stored a long time, 500 obo" and when you answer the ad it turns out this little old lady has her son's corvette under a tarp in the garage which he bought just before shipping out to Vietnam, and not shipping back. Rubber is shot from age but the rest is pristine under the dust cover. Then you find out she's about to lose her house because she got behind in the mortgage a couple of payments and has no way to get caught up. In that case I'd give her a generous payment for the car, re-sell it to someone who knows the real value, and split the profit with her in the form of a gift. I'm a conniving b@stard, but I do have to sleep at night too you know! This way it works out win-win.

warth0g
February 27, 2007, 05:33 PM
bruss01: lol

warthog:)

Pax Jordana
February 27, 2007, 05:33 PM
Maybe it's that it was up for 30 mins before it was flagged down.. I cannot BELIEVE you got a cx4 offa there. Heck, I can't ever get a response to my singles ads there..

I want you to feel horrible. HORRIBLE. :p

(Now that I've calmed down)
What categories do you watch to catch gun deals on CL?

ABTOMAT
February 27, 2007, 05:38 PM
Craigslist is a hoot and a half. I got a perfect, mint 1952 Atlas 10" quickchange metalworking lathe, fully tooled and with all the original paperwork, for $200. The guy even delivered it to my house and helped carry it into the basement.

Probably worth $1500 all together.

jcwalsh
February 27, 2007, 05:54 PM
I check the Sporting Goods catagory about once an hour when I remember.

I travel quite a bit and always check the local listings when I can. I have found that some cities let firearms stay listed for days. Kansas City flags within the hour. Although there is a 1100 with two barrels for $450 that has made it more than a day. It is all in how you post. No reference to gun, caliber, bullets, etc. and the antis don't know what it is.

JW

lee n. field
February 27, 2007, 05:59 PM
He said that he was going to jail tomorrow if he did not pay off some debts.

Debtor's prison?

1KPerDay
February 27, 2007, 06:23 PM
Stealing guns.;)

atblis
February 27, 2007, 06:30 PM
You're not allowed to sell guns on Craigslist? What kind of hippie crap is that?

hankdatank1362
February 27, 2007, 06:33 PM
Nice Beretta!

Oh, and congrats Big Calhoun on your upcoming little bundle of joy...expensive joy, but joy nonetheless.

mljdeckard
February 27, 2007, 06:52 PM
We ALL look for deals on guns. WHY a gun is a deal may be a variety of reasons. I have gotten over on some gun deals, I have been HAMMERED when I needed to sell some. Either way, you can't sweat the buyer for being smart.

Soap
February 27, 2007, 06:56 PM
He agreed to sell it for $500 so don't worry about it. In uncoerced voluntary exchanges, there is no "taking advantage". It is like being concerned about hitting someone on the football field.

308win
February 27, 2007, 07:01 PM
Debtor's prison?

Child support arrearages can get you jailed as I understand it. If the debt is also related to a contempt citation this could get you jailed as well I expect.

KHawk
February 27, 2007, 08:21 PM
If it still has a serial number your probably ok.
OBTW NICE WEAPON.

atblis
February 27, 2007, 11:27 PM
NO

Well, unless they have one leg, are blind, or have some disability like that. Then just a little.

10-Ring
February 28, 2007, 12:12 AM
His choice to sell his gun, his choice to accept your offer....just another gun deal on the internet, some are just better than others ;)

Nomad, 2nd
February 28, 2007, 12:16 AM
He took a lower price due to a great need. You both got what you needed.

Now if it's a little old lady asking you what a $1,000 gun is worth... and you tell her $250... THAT's Wrong.

Cato the Younger
February 28, 2007, 12:22 AM
They needed the cash, you had it- and you wanted a gun- if you can get a good deal, all the better- I don't think that is immoral at all- you just need to go out and do the deal- figure it this way- if they had to go to a pawn shop, they would get less for it, and you would pay more for it- therefore, you are both getting a great deal- it is a mutually beneficial arrangement.

Colt46
February 28, 2007, 12:38 AM
You offered him a price that he accepted as fair. Some people are just better horsetraders than others is all.

Feanaro
February 28, 2007, 12:45 AM
He needed cash, you want a gun. That's a mutually beneficial trade. If it wasn't to his advantage to take $500, he would not have.

GunNut
February 28, 2007, 01:20 AM
No, it's the sellers job to figure what fair market value is.

JackW
February 28, 2007, 02:41 AM
Absolutely not.

In fact you did him a huge favor by having the cash available - cash he needed in a big hurry. What you got for your trouble was a good deal.

Even the antis should love it because of that warm fuzzy feeling you get when everyone is a winner. I can just feel the love

50 Freak
February 28, 2007, 02:56 AM
A long time ago, I picked up a Glock 20 for $375. Although that's a decent deal in itself, the 4 high caps and the lasermax that came along with it made it a smoking deal.

moredes
February 28, 2007, 03:17 AM
You found a motivated seller who was willing to dicker.

Nothing wrong with that... free commerce, you both agreed to the transaction.

Nope. "If God didn't want them sheared, he would not have made them sheep." Some folks just ain't smart enough to plan ahead... I'm allus lookin' for them.;) For the rest, I gotta pay 'fair' prices.

Cosmoline
February 28, 2007, 03:40 AM
I draw the line at some point. I saw a fellow selling a Colt Agent and Speed Six for a c note each and told him to raise the price. I own that Six now, though :D

With pawn shops and dealers I don't like, I never say anything. I picked up a 28/30 Finn marked as a "Roosian gun" at a little rat hole pawn shop for a C note. I have no sympathy for those guys.

evan price
February 28, 2007, 04:07 AM
Cosmo you shoulda bought em both.

I got a Winchester Speedpump 12 ga for $120, a NEF 20 ga single shot for $70, a Century L1A1 FAL with butthole stock and 6 mags for $350, all british parts with sandcut boltcarrier on a nice NGL Imbel receiver. You just have to be there instantly before the weenies hit the flag button; Up here in Central Ohio we have flagging wars break out where sellers start posting crap ads screaming at people for flagging them "Thanks for flagging me down now I can bump to the top!" Then it's like WWIII on Craigslist. Weenies will flag stuff for whatever reason they want and often it's because they don't think it should be "legal" to do it.

Neo-Luddite
February 28, 2007, 12:15 PM
You know, it wasn't handed down from his Grandma:rolleyes: .

Sounds like someone who wanted steak on a hamburger budget. We've all done it.

You saved him the obvious temptation of robbing a bank with that bad boy:D .

Essex County
February 28, 2007, 02:00 PM
I must be nuts. When I was a stocking dealer in the eighties folks would stumble in and say " Could you give me $50 for this " I'd often pay more as I would still be able to make profit upon resale. I'm not at all adverse to a good deal, but there comes a point that it becomes preying on the unknowing. Just my opinion. Essex

PennsyPlinker
February 28, 2007, 02:55 PM
Things are different around here! When I made some of my first postings, I mentioned that I bought a CZ-75 P-01 from a guy for $225. You should have seen how many people responded wanting to know if he stole it, I stole it, etc! Congratulations on your find!

imprezagm4
February 28, 2007, 04:57 PM
It's funny... in the Bay Area... guns would be flagged almost as soon as they were posted and quickly removed. In good ole' Central Oregon, no one flags em... they stay up until they expire :)

U.S.SFC_RET
February 28, 2007, 06:20 PM
I have a strong sense of mind never to rip people off. I am a gentleman with a good heart to help my fellow man. A pawn shop is a different story altogether. Some by their very nature rip people off. I love to give tips at the gun shows to prospective buyers that can piss off sellers just because I am a gentleman to the buyer.

EricTheBarbarian
February 28, 2007, 06:35 PM
if you give them what theyre asking and theyre happy with it are you ripping them off?I usually let someone set the price and work it from there. I'll make an offer after i find out what they want and usually will end up paying the best price we can agree one. I guess its just from years of going to the flea market I never want to pay the full price.

Soap
February 28, 2007, 07:44 PM
I have a strong sense of mind never to rip people off. I am a gentleman with a good heart to help my fellow man.

Me too, that's why when someone accepts my offer, I give them the money :evil:

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