.22 caliber shotshells


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Aaryq
March 1, 2007, 12:00 PM
Howdy folks. I just picked up some .22 LR shotshell rounds from Wal Mart. Now seeing snakeloads of truth http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot30.htm I know it's not a viable HD round...aside from shooting snakes at close range, do these cartridges have any value is it just some nifty novelty round?

Other thing, what weapon would be the prime weapon for these cartridges? Bolt Rifle, Lever Rifle, Semi-Auto rifle, revolver, autoloader?

And for those of you who like this round, tell me why.

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Vern Humphrey
March 1, 2007, 12:17 PM
I use them in an old Stevens #26 Crackshot, made around 1915. They're fine for snakes, rats in the barn, and similar pests.

USSR
March 1, 2007, 12:25 PM
Effective range is measured in feet. The rifling results in a rapid dispersion rate.

Don

Froggy
March 1, 2007, 12:32 PM
The .22 shotshells work well in revolvers and bolt action rifles. I've never used one in an autoloader, but I think you might have problems with the plastic tips breaking in that application. Shotshells made for autoloading pistols don't have the exposed plastic tips -- the plastic cap is completely inside the slightly longer aluminum (or alloy) casing.

I usually carry a .38 revolver and keep the first two chambers loaded with shotshells. About once every six weeks or so it gets used to take care of Mr. Rattler. Mrs. Froggy carries a .45 (M1911a1) with the first few rounds in the mag being snakeshot also. One of the neighbors carries a .22 revolver loaded only with shotshells.

They work well for their intended purpose -- taking care of snakes, rats, and similar pests at close range (10-15 feet max) without the need for precise aiming. The .38 and .45 rounds just about take the head off a snake. The .22 rounds carry far fewer pellets that are moving with less velocity so are not quite as effective, but still leave them dead.

mainmech48
March 1, 2007, 02:29 PM
My grandfather used to keep an old H&R top-break revolver hanging on a nail in the feed locker of his barn. It was normally loaded with crimped "rat shot" cartridges and worked pretty well inside of 15 ft. or so. Other than the increased hit potential, his main reason for using them was that misses wouldn't damage the woodwork or feed containers as much and the chance of injuring any livestock on the other side of a wall was essentially nil. He also kept a box of SV .22 Shorts there for pigeons and starlings in the calf feeders.

Don't know how the snakes are where you are, but back in SW MO where I grew up it usually took more than one good hit from the old crimped .22 shot cartridges to dispatch your average cottonmouth, or even a much-smaller copperhead. I never (thank goodness) had to try them on a diamondback or timber rattler, but I'd reckon it'd take at least a couple of solid headshots to stop the common run of these sizable serpents. These days I'd much rather rely on something like the .38 Spl/.357 shot loads for any of 'em, as I'm not as fast on my feet as I used to be. When I'm visiting relatives back home I usually have some sort of 1911 .45 along, and pack a couple of boxes of the CCI shot loads in that caliber if we're liable to be fishing, camping or traipsing about in the woods. They'll cycle normally, and pack a lot more wallop at somewhat longer ranges than any .22 RF shotshell I've seen.

Roccobro
March 1, 2007, 02:30 PM
I bought some for training my 5 yo to shoot. I read putting up some balloons around the target and loading shot shells makes for a fun and exciting time at the range for little ones. Makes 'em beg to go back to the range. :D

Justin

doubleg
March 1, 2007, 02:41 PM
:p Ya'll use guns for snake? I always used a machete. :neener:

Vaarok
March 1, 2007, 02:53 PM
Shoot starlings out of the air when they come boiling out of the ridge-vent in the calf barn with a flak-wall from the Winchester 1300 Camp Defender or the Saiga-12, then finish off the hopping cripples running around the calf barn with the Marlin 39 and Winchester Super-X rat shot.

Not effective past ten feet. No risk of ricochet to the calves.

Vern Humphrey
March 1, 2007, 04:06 PM
The champeen among shot-shells is the .45 Colt. You can load your own with either .410 shot cups, or with gas checks -- but either way, a .45 Colt case will hold a lot of shot.

308win
March 1, 2007, 04:10 PM
We used to use them to kill pigeons and spatzies (sparrows) in our barn as they wouldn't make holes in the tin roof. I wouldn't select them for killing snakes that could kill me as you would have to be a lot closer than I would want to be to be sure of the desired result.

.cheese.
March 1, 2007, 04:12 PM
They work in autoloaders, you just have to manually rack each one in place before shooting.

zero_chances
March 1, 2007, 04:13 PM
They spread very quickly. I have heard they work very well in the old smoothbore rifles like some of the remington bolt actions.

larry_minn
March 1, 2007, 04:16 PM
IMO very limited uses. They will not (function) in my semi auto. (have to manually rack slide) Will not do much past 20' (not even pop cans filled with water) Uses. Squirrel IN house. (wear dang good full coverage eye protection) and small birds in garage/shed (again full eye protection)

.cheese.
March 1, 2007, 04:21 PM
I actually was able to get them to work with a semi-auto. It took some modification though, so it's probably not worth it.

Legionnaire
March 1, 2007, 04:22 PM
IIRC, Marlin or Savage makes (or made) a "garden gun" that is a smooth bore bolt action specifically designed for shot shells. Not sure I'd want to spend the money for a new dedicated platform for .22 caliber shot shells, but might pick one up second hand if the price was right.

Zoogster
March 1, 2007, 04:40 PM
Works best in a smoothbore handgun, which makes them an AOW requiring registration and illegal in many states, therefore not very common. Rifling rapidly disperses the shot and makes predicting shot placement very difficult.

Decent for dispatching pests in areas you would otherwise only use an airgun at very close range. Still for as close as you have to get the animal will likely have been startled and ran off or you could have just captured it. So I would still prefer an airgun (or even something to just smack it with, or capture it) for such things, especialy since an airgun's precision and single projectile further limits the risk of any property damage.

I would classify tiny shotshells as novelty. Most shotshells less than .410 have such a limited effective range, especialy out of rifling as to make them less useful than non firearms in accomplishing the same thing.

If not subject to firearm discharge laws they might be interesting for safe casual use where longer range bullets would not be, however they are still just as loud and subject to discharge laws. So they are almost worthless.

Now the smoothbore .410 snake guns that are popular in some southern states are a different story. Yet those legaly have to be registered as an AOW as any smoothbore handgun does, and are illegal many places.

Tinker2
March 1, 2007, 05:29 PM
Great for what they are made for, not putting holes in
the barn. Smooth bore long guns are best.

Not suitable for everyone.


Tinker2

qwik
March 1, 2007, 06:22 PM
i got some 22 magnum shotshell for my naa mini, first two cylinders shot, then stagger hollow points and fmj, havent tried em out yet. figure first shot face, buy some time to regroup

Vern Humphrey
March 1, 2007, 06:30 PM
i got some 22 magnum shotshell for my naa mini, first two cylinders shot, then stagger hollow points and fmj, havent tried em out yet. figure first shot face, buy some time to regroup

Please don't do that!

You are placing yourself in a very precarious position. Aside from the fact that you may get only one shot, you are putting yourself in serious legal jeopardy.

When you pull the trigger, you are using deadly force -- regardless of what's under the hammer. By choosing to use a shot cartridge, you are admitting the situation didn't call for deadly force. You may well face criminal charges, and will certainly lose the lawsuit that will definitely be filed against you.

qwik
March 1, 2007, 06:56 PM
well the thinking was to stop the threat with the small naa mini, shot shell, followed by hollow points, to stop threat. a shot of magnum shotshell in my face, man that would have to slow you down. but i carry largers caliber guns. this is just backup on bad days

Vern Humphrey
March 1, 2007, 07:01 PM
well the thinking was to stop the threat with the small naa mini, shot shell, followed by hollow points, to stop threat. a shot of magnum shotshell in my face, man that would have to slow you down. but i carry largers caliber guns. this is just backup on bad days

For heaven's sake, don't ever say that on the witness stand! You'll lose the case right there!

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