[Luggernut]

MA requires a permit to store over 1000 primers. A permit will allow you to store 5000 (or 10000 depending on who you talk to). What are your state's limits if any?

Easy on the MA bashing... I can't leave for a while.

[The Bushmaster]

Limit on primers? Need a permit? Holycow!!! I wonder what Missouri has on that. I have 5,000 in stock right now and just got off the phone ordering 2,000 more...:what: :eek: :uhoh: :D :D

[WayneConrad]

No state limits, but the city of Phoenix limits you to... if I recall... 5000 primers. There's a limit on smokeless powder, too, but I don't recall what it is.

[scrat]

i would not be suprised if one day the stores have to start keeping a log on black powder and smokeless powder. i mean look at the potential if it were get int the wrong hands thats some serious stuff if used in the wrong manner
can you imagine what 8lbs of that stuff can do.

[Luggernut]

Scrat- I'm not using black powder but the limits on that is up to 5lbs WITH a permit. Smokeless powder limit with a permit is up to 48lbs. At least in MA.

[scrat]

ya but i would not mind filling out a form telling people who i am if i purchase large amounts of powder. it really needs to happen. to much potential for wrong doing there.

[Grumulkin]

ya but i would not mind filling out a form telling people who i am if i purchase large amounts of powder. it really needs to happen. to much potential for wrong doing there.

Ya Mr. Zumbo? When was the last time someone blew something up with smokeless or even black powder? You can get a bigger blast out of fertilizer and diesel fuel. People around here even steal (i.e., they don't fill out any forms and never will) fertilizer to make methamphetamine.

The Ohio Department of Transportation and the Ohio Department of Homeland Security (I think that's the name), under the guidance of some rocket scientist recently made it a rule that to register an aircraft in Ohio one would have to sign a form attesting that said person had never aided or been a part of a terrorist organization. I guess some clueless wonder there thinks that this will be a fine way to make a list of potential terrorists.

There is a mentality with some that a new law will solve all problems. Get real. There will ALWAYS be some who do bad things. If it isn't people breaking the law it will be the government abusing its citizens. We need to protect what freedoms we have and not condone government bureaucracy that will make life more difficult for the law abiding without having a meaningful effect in preventing terrorism and crime.

[OlderFox]

What is the status of primers already in a case. Are they included in the 1000???

[GaryL]

I think the limit here is 10k, but I'm not sure. But with just a box of each SP (small pistol), SPM (SP mag), LP, SR, and LR, you're up to 5K primers, not counting partials. And I don't bother setting up to load a caliber with less than enough components to do several hundred at least unless it's for load development or a specific hunting load.

[Walkalong]

I don't know about Alabama. I keep 10,000 or better all the time. I try to keep 3000 + of small pistol, large pistol, & small rifle, plus at least 1000 of large rifle, mag large rifle, mag small rifle, & mag large pistol. :)

[Eagle103]

i would not be suprised if one day the stores have to start keeping a log on black powder and smokeless powder. i mean look at the potential if it were get int the wrong hands thats some serious stuff if used in the wrong manner
can you imagine what 8lbs of that stuff can do.
I don't know what a log book would accomplish. Maybe we need a background check.:rolleyes:

[Surat]

In NC it's covered under fire code. . . here's the applicable bits for reloaders. . .

This Chapter consists of the 2003 IFC with the 2004 Supplement with the following NC amendment(s):
3301.1 Scope. The provisions of this chapter shall govern the possession, manufacture, storage, handling, sale and use of explosives, explosive materials, fireworks and small arms ammunition.
Exceptions:
1. The Armed Forces of the United States, Coast Guard or National Guard.
2. Explosives in forms prescribed by the official United States Pharmacopoeia.
3. The possession, storage and use of small arms ammunition when packaged in accordance with DOTn packaging requirements.
4. The possession, storage, and use of not more than 1 pound (0.454 kg) of commercially manufactured
sporting black powder, 20 pounds (9 kg) of smokeless powder and 10,000 small arms primers for hand loading of small arms ammunition for personal consumption.
5. The use of explosive materials by federal, state and local regulatory, law enforcement and fire agencies acting in their official capacities.
6. Special industrial explosive devices which in the aggregate contain less than 50 pounds (23 kg) of explosive materials.
7. The possession, storage and use of blank industrial-power load cartridges when packaged in accordance
with DOTn packaging regulations.
8. Transportation in accordance with DOTn 49 CFR Parts 100-178.
9. Items preempted by federal regulations.
10. The possession, storage, transportation, and use of explosive materials by companies permitted under the provisions of North Carolina General Statute, Chapter 74, Article 7.

I think it's less a "catch the wacko gun freak" thing an d more of a "hey let's not burn down the block" thing. . . I keep my reloading materials in the house and would be a bit uncomfortable with 20lbs of smokeless in the house. . . I keep a can of Bullseye and a can of Reloader 15 and about 500 ea rifle and pistol primers. . . then gun store is two blocks away and they are open on Saturdays :)

[scrat]

wow amazing that you can only have a certain amount of primers. like how would they know. next i guess there going to come out with the primer police.

:rolleyes:

i guess i will just have to keep on stock piling

[tbtrout]

I may be wrong, but isn't there a Federal law that requires a certain amount of powder be stored a flammable locker? For private residences, I know commercial has restrictions.

[ReloaderFred]

I only have 10 primers. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it...........

Fred

[The Bushmaster]

Aah... Fred...I counted 11. There's one under the bench that you missed. Yer under arrest...:D

[Luggernut]

Don't laugh Bushmaster... even though in principle I understand these restrictions. I'm sure that in my wonderful state, if I was found to be in violation I'm sure I'd be an unsuitable citizen and denied my LTC renewal.

[The Bushmaster]

I am well aware of the implications of the law and that in reality it isn't all that funny. What's even funnier is Scrat's proposal that it is O K with him that we have to register when we order large amounts of powder. Not only is that infringing on my rights it is also a typical USSR of C response to a problem that hasn't occurred. It's the same response that california had when Purdy shot those kids at a day care center in Stockton ( I was there). The scream went up to outlaw all "assault rifles" The next day a man held up a conveniance store using a large knife not more then 5 miles from the Purdy shooting. I figure that the USSR of C will be registering kitchen knives soon... THAT'S WHAT'S NOT FUNNY...:cuss:

Scrat...No offense intended...It's just what you said caught my eye and soured in my stomach...:( It's also one of the reasons that I escaped from there. I was sick and tired of the liberal values of most californians. "Angry" is more the word.

[Walkalong]

I'm with The Bushmaster.............:cuss:
Keep as many as I damn well please.

[mpmarty]

I dunno, I buy primers in these flat brown cardboard boxes that say Winchester on them. Each box has five smaller boxes in it. I figure I need two boxes of Large Pistol, two boxes of Large Rifle, two boxes of small pistol, two boxes of small rifle, a couple of boxes of Large Rifle Magnums for my big stuff, so what's the total here, ten total boxes of primers with five thousand in each for a total of fifty thousand primers. Kept in a referigerator in my shop.:D

[The Bushmaster]

In the refridgerater? With the beer?...Brookings I suspect or maybe Gold Beach where the Rogue River meets the Pacific. Coos Bay originally.

[Maxinquaye]

Wow...I never even considered there would be limits to how much powder / primer I can have on hand. Unbelieveable.

[WayneConrad]

My guess is that these laws aren't enforced by local LEO. I wonder, however, how many homeowner's insurance policies have clauses indemnifying the insurance company from claims when the homeowner violated fire codes.

[SSN Vet]

be kind to poor SCRAT.

he's been living in such an anit-freedom environment for so long, he made a Fruedian slip. :neener:

let's face it gents....diesel fuel and fertilizer are a LOT more dangerous than primers and smokeless powder. Didn't Timmy McV teach the world that :(

[Sistema1927]

Primers? What primers?

[Luggernut]

Mr WayneConrad I think that is another very important point to consider. If anyone's in violation of local FD regulations you just know the ins companies will try to deny coverage... regardless of what caused the fire.

[fatelk]

Brookings I suspect or maybe Gold Beach where the Rogue River meets the Pacific. Coos Bay originally.

My old stomping grounds! I had a conversation with a retired sheriff in Coos Bay several years ago about this very subject. His view on the subject surprised me a little (though it shouldn't have). Something to the effect that he had about 100 pounds of powder and many thousand primers in his garage and he didn't know of any law that said he couldn't.

I built a wooden box out of 1 1/8" flooring material to store powder in, though I obviously don't have much by some standards!