(CA) Is there a limit to how much ammo a citizen can have?


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silverlance
March 1, 2007, 06:10 PM
Is there a legal limit to the amount of ammo a citizen can store at his home?

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1KPerDay
March 1, 2007, 06:14 PM
Only if the local media (or neighbors) find out about your "military arsenal"...:rolleyes:

carpediem
March 1, 2007, 06:14 PM
I don't think there's a state limit

There might be city or county ordinances

A large enough quantity of powder and primers might fall under dangerous materials or explosive laws if you reload

45R
March 1, 2007, 06:46 PM
Only if the local media (or neighbors) find out about your "military arsenal"...

2 Bricks of .22LR = Ammo Cache...

benewton
March 1, 2007, 07:59 PM
Well, the house is something like 24x32...

perpster
March 1, 2007, 08:13 PM
Probably not yet, but the handwriting is on the wall.:barf:

tube_ee
March 1, 2007, 08:28 PM
No. For black powder, there is an amount above which you must store in a magazine... ditto for ammonium perchlorate (rocket fuel), but for smokeless powder or ammo loaded with same... no.

Check local fire codes to be certain, but statewide, there's no "maximum of X rounds" type of limit.

--Shannon

Standing Wolf
March 1, 2007, 08:56 PM
Any.

Well, no, not yet, but give the leftist extremists another year or two.

davhina
March 1, 2007, 09:32 PM
I hope not:evil:

moparguy
March 2, 2007, 12:42 AM
i remember back in the clinton era they tried to make anything more than 1k rounds was a arsenal and you had to have permits. it didnt pass though. I would have violated that rule many times over.

Creeping Incrementalism
March 2, 2007, 03:56 AM
No. For black powder, there is an amount above which you must store in a magazine... ditto for ammonium perchlorate (rocket fuel), but for smokeless powder or ammo loaded with same... no.

There is actually a limit for smokeless powder in the fire codes. In my opinion, the law is BS, but there is a good side in that, if you have that much powder, you need to call in sick and start loading some ammo.

But as for loaded ammunition, there is no limit.

Springer_Fan
March 2, 2007, 10:17 AM
I heard on CNN this morning that firefighters and emergency personnel responding to a call outside LA found an estimated 1 MILLION rounds in the house they went to.

Hmmm....:scrutiny:

MikeyLikesIt
March 2, 2007, 01:22 PM
One of our local stations http://www.nbc4.tv/news/11150064/detail.html

look at the headline in this clip "weapons found" what BS

http://www.nbc4.tv/2007/0302/11153946_240X180.jpg

Birukun
March 2, 2007, 01:38 PM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/riverside/20070301-2354-ca-ammunitionfound.html

"ammunition for shotguns, small handguns and assault rifles" What, no hunting rifle ammunition? Hunters, beware!

"Last April, authorities said they found more than 1,300 weapons and 89,000 rounds of ammunition from the San Bernardino County home of a man who claimed to belong to a militant group with aims to overthrow Cuban dictator Fidel Castro. Robert Ferro of Upland faces counts of unlawfully owning and failing to register guns."

And they say we don't have registration. Unless they were those evil looking ones of course...... :rolleyes:

So possession of at least 89,000 rounds is OK, lets see what this new case plays out at....

Bill in SD

CU74
March 2, 2007, 02:01 PM
When I first looked at that picture, I thought somebody with a camera had been out in my shop:what: . But a closer look reassured me - my upright tool box is red, not gray................:) .

longeyes
March 2, 2007, 03:32 PM
Either this guy's a re-loading fiend or he's dang rich.

silverlance
March 2, 2007, 05:58 PM
well guys if you think about it 1,000,000 rounds isnt' so hard if you buy a lot of milsurp, especially if you bought during the years when milsurp was REALLY cheap.

I remember 900rnds of surplus (donj't remember which caliber) going for $45. if we round up to 1k for $50, then we do the math:

1000000 / 1000 = 1000
1000 x 50 = 50,000

and, if shipped, $10 per crate = 1000 x 10 = 10000

so, $50,000 if bought cash at gun shows
$60,000 if bought via mail / net.

That's a million rounds of ammo in sealed cans inside nice wooden crates.

If I had the money, I would do the same, and wager that my $60K in ammo would appreciate much more than the same amount in mutual funds or CDs over 3 years.

thexrayboy
March 3, 2007, 01:24 AM
There is no law limiting the number of rounds of ammunition you can own.
Unfortunately ********** has plenty of unwritten laws, like if you have more guns and ammo than the average wussy feels comfortable with (insert any number between 0 and 1 here) you are a menace and must be locked up for the safety of society. But if you are a gangbangin minority this unwritten law does not apply to you.

Calling governor moonbeam, calling governor moonbeam, come in please.
Poor **********, such a climatologic & geologic wonder. Too bad it is so totally retarded from a sociopolitical standpoint.

LawBot5000
March 3, 2007, 01:36 AM
So far I am not finding anything in federal or state courts beyond felon in possession cases or people violating probation by possessing ammo. As far as I know, something that is legal to do in one instance is legal to do in a million instances and ammunition isnt an exception per se.

edit: tried under hazard, negligence, nuisance, amount, arsenal, stockpile, etc, etc and still nothing

edit 2: found this gem, proving once again that torts does indeed have the sexiest fact patterns

This was a product liability case. The guy lost, presumably because he was a complete dumbass. The rifle in question was a benchrest rifle with a VERY light trigger.
When he entered the room, Hines went to his reloading bench and placed the rifle upon the bench with the muzzle pointed at his containers of Hodgdon 4895 gunpowder, a mere six to eight inches away. Hines then loaded a live cartridge into the rifle's chamber, and, according to Hines, upon closing the bolt the gun fired, with [Pg 3] the bullet striking and igniting the Hodgdon powder. A chain-reaction followed that resulted in what the plaintiffs have characterized as an explosion and what the defendants have characterized as a deflagration, or flash fire. As a result of the accident, Hines was severely burned and the resultant stay in the hospital led to further complications, all of which coalesced into permanent and painful personal injuries to Hines. He also suffered extensive property damage to his home as a result of the ensuing fire.

Hines v. Remington Arms Co., 648 So. 2d 331, 333 (La. 1994)

FourTeeFive
March 3, 2007, 09:54 AM
From the article:

"No arrests had been made. The man, whose identity was not released, was taken to a hospital where he will receive a psychological evaluation, Zamora said."

Molon Labe
March 3, 2007, 10:11 AM
Is there a limit to how much ammo a citizen can have?According to the Red Coats at Concord, "Zero."

freedom fighter 1776
March 24, 2008, 05:44 PM
The gov is trying to pass a law that limits the amount of ammo that you are allowed to own. If this does happen, we have a right as citizens of the United States of America to stand up and defend our rights and the constitution of the US. We have a government that has basically said to forget the constitution. President Bush was actually quoted saying " the constitution is just a goddamn piece of paper" and thats what we have running the country!!!
To all of you freedom loving people out there that love America check out
http://www.infowars.com/

CBS220
March 24, 2008, 05:49 PM
That would be an interesting site if it weren't by a certain idiot named Alex Jones.

1KPerDay
March 24, 2008, 06:06 PM
What's with all the ancient thread bumps lately?

freedom fighter 1776
March 25, 2008, 08:51 AM
Correction, the President passed in the Patriot Act that a US citizen can own a max of 700 rounds of ammo!!!
The only way around it is to get a FFL ( federal firearms license ) that makes you a dealer.

Ridgerunner665
March 25, 2008, 09:00 AM
Only if they know you have it...so far ammo is not serialized (yet)...so they have no way of knowing how much you have if you don't tell them.

EDIT: They made a mountain out of a mole hill when dealing with that guy...if he had meant anybody any harm it would have been one heck of a firefight...and I have more guns than he had...in Tennessee its called a "collection'...not an "arsenal".

rbernie
March 25, 2008, 09:02 AM
1776 - do you have an actual cite for that tidbit?

ETA - the only mention that I have heard of in USAPA was in Section 315, adding ammunition and gun smuggling into the defintion of money laundering.

ilbob
March 25, 2008, 09:26 AM
There are some localities that have fire codes that limit the amount of ammo one can have, along with primers and powder. They are rarely enforced, because who knows about the laws in the first place, and who is going to cite you?

In fact, many localities limit how much gasoline you can store in your garage. In some areas, that 5 gallon can of gas in the garage for your lawn mower is not legal if it is full.

I am not sure it is true, but my brother told me once that the city he lives in has a 5 gallon limit on storage of flammable liquids in a residential garage. If you figure in paint thinner, kerosene (think portable heaters), solvents, gasoline, etc., many people are way over that limit.

I think there is even a limit on how much propane you are allowed to store.

Augustwest
March 25, 2008, 09:45 AM
Correction, the President passed in the Patriot Act that a US citizen can own a max of 700 rounds of ammo!!!
The only way around it is to get a FFL ( federal firearms license ) that makes you a dealer.

This simply isn't true.

There are many things to hate about the USA PATRIOT Act, and we'd be much better off focusing on those things than on issues that don't exist. It hurts the credibility of freedom lovers everywhere when people make stuff like that up.

As a small aside, the House and Senate pass laws, and the President signs them...

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