Winchester 95 question


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winwun
June 7, 2003, 01:10 PM
I have a friend who has a 95 Carbine and is trying to determine the caliber.

I have one reference work that states that the 95 Carbine was in .30-30, .30-40, .303 Brit and .30-06.

His carbine doesn't seem to be any of the above.

On close examination of the piece, I noted that the barrel was square-cut, no crown at all, which leads me to believe that it was once a rifle, which were made in a plethora of calibers.

Does anyone have an original carbine, and if so, does the barrel have a crown, or is it also square cut ?

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Art Eatman
June 7, 2003, 01:24 PM
I once had a '95 Carbine. IIRC, the muzzle was pretty much square cut. This one was a saddle ring carbine, and in .30-'03. It had US Military proof marks, but I don't recall how the chambering was labelled. ".30 U.S. Gov't.", maybe?

Art

jmbg29
June 7, 2003, 01:44 PM
If it is an original M1895 carbine, it should have a top handguard over the barrel.

Are there any U.S. government markings on it?

What is the barrel's length?

What is the Serial number? Use Xs instead of the actual last 2 numbers, e.g. 23XX.

Is the frame/reciever fluted or ridge contoured?

Does it have a saddle ring?

Are there any Russian ordinance marks on it?

What sort of sights are on it?

Mike Irwin
June 7, 2003, 02:35 PM
Best way to determine the caliber is to have a chamber cast made.

I'm not finding any indication that the Carbine was made in .30-40 Krag, just .30-03, .30-06, and .303.

The 1895s that I've handled and shot don't have a square cut muzzle. They don't have much of a crown, either.

jmbg29
June 7, 2003, 03:00 PM
I'm not finding any indication that the Carbine was made in .30-40 Krag, just .30-03, .30-06, and .303.

Model 1895 Carbine- .30 US (.30/40 Krag Army- most common cal.) Fjestad's Blue Book of Gun Values 22nd edition

I have the new one around here somewhere. lol

I agree that a chamber cast is the only way to be sure. If someone screwed around with the barrel, they might also have done something to the chamber.

Mike Irwin
June 7, 2003, 05:29 PM
JMBG,

Nope, no indication of that chambering in my 11th edition of the Blue Book.

It's so old, however, that maybe Winchester hadn't yet produced the 1895 in .30-40 when my copy of the Blue Book was printed? :)

BigG
June 7, 2003, 06:07 PM
Plenty of 7.62 X 54 Russian Model 95s were made. Think it was the most plentiful caliber. C&R Sam would know. The carbine had a short handguard like a M1 Carbine.

Art Eatman
June 7, 2003, 06:11 PM
Don't cry, Mike, but I've seen the retail $ for the 23rd Fjestad at $39.95! Just think of it as $3 a year...

The carbine is supposed to have a 22" round barrel.

Art

Leaky Waders
June 7, 2003, 07:43 PM
the picture of the carbine has a barrel band w/ mabe 4 inches of stock going past the band towards the muzzle (guess from the pic)

the text also says carbines and muskets were made in solid frame only...whatever that means...it looks as if it has to do w/ the foregrip...an underbarrel foregrip verus afully enclosed foregrip.

chambers available...
30-40 krag 1896
38-72 winchester 1896
40-72 winchester 1896
303 british 1898
35 winchester 1903
405 winchester 1904
30 goverment m/03 1905
30 goverment m/06 1908

in 1915-1916 293,816 muskets were chambered for 7.62mm russian for the imperial russian army.

jmbg29
June 7, 2003, 08:23 PM
Nope, no indication of that chambering in my 11th edition of the Blue Book. That may well be.

I have a neighbor that has one in .30/40 Krag. I have a deluxe take-down M1895 rifle in .405 W.C.F., hence my interest in them. Plenty of 7.62 X 54 Russian Model 95s were made. Think it was the most plentiful caliber. C&R Sam would know. The carbine had a short handguard like a M1 Carbine.Almost 300,000 of them made for the Russian Imperial Army. The commies got them a couple of years later. :scrutiny: :uhoh: :barf: :banghead:

Art Eatman
June 7, 2003, 11:55 PM
The full-length rifles were made in the long shopping list of cartridges. The carbines, only the previously mentioned foursome.

Art

Mike Irwin
June 8, 2003, 01:28 AM
Solid frame means that the gun wasn't a take down model.

winwun
June 8, 2003, 07:18 AM
Thanks, guys, for the thoughtful and insightful replies.

Now, would someone guide me to a source for the "chamber mold" material ?

Instructions for use will come with the "kit", hopefully.

dodge
June 8, 2003, 07:24 AM
I have an orginal Winchester Model 95 in 30-40 Krag that is a carbine but without the handguard. From what I can find out this rifle was made in 1926. The chambering markings which is on the bridge of the action just in front of the bolt says .30 Army this is also on the barrel. Mine also is squared off and not crowned. THe only thing that I wished it had is the saddle ring which was removed to place a Lyman Model 21 ( so called climbing) aperature sight on to it. This rifle was my father's and when he was alive that is all he ever used for deer hunting as long as I can remember.

Leaky Waders
June 8, 2003, 09:44 AM
"Solid frame means that the gun wasn't a take down model."

Doh...I'm an idiot...thanks Mike.

V/R,
LW

Jim Watson
June 8, 2003, 10:04 AM
Isn't the fool thing marked for caliber?
A better description or picture would help a lot.
I have three period Winchesters, although none a '95, and all have flat muzzles.
If it has a stripper clip guide arching over the rear of the action, it is a Russian, if not, it is Something Else.

The chamber cast material you need is Cerrosafe and Brownell's sells it with instructions for use. It is a bismuth alloy that you can melt in a double boiler.

Madis says the standard calibers for carbines were .30-03, .30-06, and .303; and then shows a picture of a carbine in .30 U.S., which is another term for .30-40 Krag, allee samee .30 Army. He also has a picture of a carbine without handguard like Dodge's dad's.

dodge
June 8, 2003, 12:02 PM
If you can find a copy of a magazine put out by the "Rifle" magazine called "The Legacy of Lever Guns" get it. In it there is a pretty good article about the Mod. 1895 giving some of the history behind this rifle. Also in the back they give manufactoring dates according to serial numbers for Winchester Models 73,76,86,92,94,95 and 71. For the Model 94 it ends in the year 1983. This may help you in finding what year it was manufactured.

BigG
July 9, 2004, 12:41 PM
.30 US Army = 30/40 Krag

.30 US Govt = 30/06

Gordon
July 9, 2004, 10:21 PM
I got one that was Sam Peckinpaw's. It is 7mm Mauser and so marked. It supposedly came out of mexico from a General into Sam's hands during filming of one of his movies down there. Somebody went to alot of trouble to make the thing look factory, including Winchester looking roll markings. It shoots good but not stellar, I think it was a redone 30-03 from my research.:)

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