Best Handgun for Sound Suppressor


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thegriz
March 2, 2007, 01:19 PM
I am interested in getting a handgun that can be suppressed. This is primarily for low recoil, low noise shooting to get some friends of mine interested in shooting. Can some of you recommend handguns that are readily available, not outrageously priced, and don't require a lot of gunsmithing.

I know nothing is ever as simple as I want when it comes to firearms BUT I would like a gun with a threaded barrel and a screw-on suppressor.

Thanks.

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briansp82593
March 2, 2007, 01:26 PM
any gun can be suppressed but for price and low recoil go with a walther p22 15.00 for a thread adapter. maybe 100 for the silencer + 200 tax and a few months of waiting for the can

bmwguy
March 2, 2007, 01:28 PM
This is a loaded question.

Please provide more detail requirements so that we can assist you.

Are you looking for .22?
9mm, .40, .45?
Wet or dry can?

How much are you willing to spend?

cavman
March 2, 2007, 01:29 PM
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tttmissionfirst.com/images/supressors/suppressor_9.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tttmissionfirst.com/suppressors.html&h=162&w=215&sz=5&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=BSvzUHKkpMYjOM:&tbnh=80&tbnw=106&prev=/images%3Fq%3Druger%2B.22%2Bsuppressed%2Bpistol%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DBtV%26sa%3DN

This is the Ruger Mark II with a built-in barrel. I saw one of these at the local gunsmith in Richmond, VA

As you mention this is also for friends, the .22 call be fired all day long until the cows some home for about the price of a sandwhich.

cavman

briansp82593
March 2, 2007, 01:33 PM
he said low recoil so im thinking a 22 or a 9mm im not sure on his price range but for my first can i wouldnt spend that much... and alot of cans are wet or dry... there are new ones that are dry only
I know nothing is ever as simple as I want when it comes to firearms BUT I would like a gun with a threaded barrel and a screw-on suppressor.
This is the Ruger Mark II with a built-in barrel. I saw one of these at the local gunsmith in Richmond, VA read above

cavman
March 2, 2007, 01:40 PM
True enough. I focused on the low gunsmithing.

g5reality
March 2, 2007, 01:42 PM
Go to impactguns.com. The best I've seen is a Glock with threaded barrel and silencer. It's on the expensive side but I don't think you'll find a better match of a threaded barrel & Silencer. The silencer alone is $400-$600.

briansp82593
March 2, 2007, 01:44 PM
if you think about it putting those rugers back together is a pain in the @$$ on my beretta or pretty much anyother gun you just swap the barrel eaaaasssy and those ruger uppers cost a very pretty penny... it would be cheaper just to buy a thread a adapter or a cheap threaded barrel drop it in and your good to go

sturmruger
March 2, 2007, 02:38 PM
If it were me I would buy a nice .22 can. Then you can use it on multiple handguns and rifles if you so choose. My goal is to someday have both a .22 and 9mm suppressor. I have several differant 9mm handguns as well as a nice 9mm carbine that I plan to mount the can on.

Correia
March 2, 2007, 03:48 PM
I'm an NFA dealer, and sell suppresors.

The best I've seen is a Glock with threaded barrel and silencer. It's on the expensive side but I don't think you'll find a better match of a threaded barrel & Silencer. The silencer alone is $400-$600.

Okay, first off, there are some problems there. The Glock is one of the worst guns to suppress UNLESS you use a suppresor with some sort of recoil compensation booster. You aren't going to get a can with a recoil booster for $400.

There are bascially three types of pistol suppresors, and this depends on your budget more than anything.

.22 cans are the simplest and easiest. They cost by far the least, even down to about $200 or so. The easiest/cheapest way to suppress a .22 is an already threaded Walther P22 or Sig Mosquito. All you need is a thread adapter to fit the can.

Then there are pistol cans that have no recoil compensation mechanism. Think of it this way, they are a tube with some stuff inside to catch the gas. Now when you hang a big heavy tube off the end of your muzzle, and your gun needs to still function, that big tube may impede the proper dropping and locking in most Browning style guns. Glocks and other polymer framed guns especially have problems with reliability with uncompensated cans. These basic cans are cheaper though. Best luck that I've seen has been with fixed barrel guns, or Berettas because they use locking blocks instead of Browning style tilting barrel lockup.

My favorite is something like an AAC Evolution can. They have a compensator inside that looks something like an M16 bolt. It compensates for the weight of the can on the end of the muzzle, and these cans work on pretty much anything. However they are going to set you back starting in the $800 range.

So really, the question is what do you want to spend?

You can suppress anthing that you can find a threaded barrel for. Sig has a factory threaded 226, but it has Euro pitch threads. No big deal, but just remember that when you order your can. The HK tactical is a popular one for .45, since it is already threaded. Berettas can be threaded by a smith, because the barrel on the 92 actually sticks far enough out to do so.

1911s work pretty well for gunsmith thread jobs also. If you get a Commander size slide, you can get a gov size barrel, and have it threaded down by a smith. There are also existing aftermarket barrels out there with threads.

If you have a barrel threaded, make sure it is by someone competant. Threads have to be perfectly straight, or you will get baffle strikes, and ruin your suppresor.

I hope that helps.

Eyesac
March 2, 2007, 04:56 PM
I vote for the 1911.

gregwalter
March 2, 2007, 05:05 PM
small round, high power, Sam Fischer swears by it.

briansp82593
March 2, 2007, 05:11 PM
I vote for the 1911.
there is no vote.. and if u read above he said expensive for recoil booster
the guy wants cheap, low recoil, and easy to use.. where does the 1911 come into play?

MachIVshooter
March 2, 2007, 05:22 PM
I'd say more critical for supression is caliber. Any quality platform will work if you can get a threaded barrel.

As caliber goes, it's tough to beat .45 ACP for supressed applications. Since the round needs to be subsonic to be effectively "silenced", the smaller-caliber, higher velocity rounds will suffer in terminal performance. Rounds like .45 ACP or 10mm Auto can push 230 gr or heavier pills that still have sufficient punch at < 1,100 FPS.

I would go 10mm. The Witness would be the platform, since drop-in threaded barrels can be ordered (in any caliber).

Correia
March 2, 2007, 05:48 PM
You know, I would really like a show of hands in this thread how many posters that feel the need to respond have ever actually had any experience with any suppressed weapons?

:rolleyes:

briansp82593
March 2, 2007, 06:03 PM
my buddy has an aac on his sig 9mm and a tactical solutions on his p22... i would the 9mm one... without the paperwork :barf:

thegriz
March 3, 2007, 01:32 AM
I appreciate all the information. I will probably start with a cheap option like a .22 pistol. That way I can learn more about all this before I make a more meaningful purchase.

I can see I have a lot to learn. I didn't realize that I had to choose between wet and dry cans, don't even know what it means yet.

I've been getting some folks into shooting recently. My 10/22's are good for that but some are still nervous about noise and recoil at first. It doesn't take long before they want the bigger stuff but getting them to take the 1st shot is the biggie.

GreenFurniture
March 3, 2007, 01:37 AM
.45acp. I've tried all the rest, .22, 9mm, .40, .223 and .308.

Reasons:

Rounds are already subsonic.

Lower recoil.

Better reliability.

Better accuracy.

Here, live through me:

http://thecommander.smugmug.com/photos/131297091-M.jpg

http://thecommander.smugmug.com/photos/131297101-M.jpg

But, the .308 is a very, very close second!

http://thecommander.smugmug.com/photos/127137130-M.jpg

10-Ring
March 3, 2007, 02:06 AM
IMO, the HK Tactical would be the ideal suppressed pistol ;)

Drakejake
June 30, 2007, 12:19 AM
The .22 calibre Smith and Wesson 2206 (and its cousins?) has a barrel nut that can be unscrewed and replaced with a thread adapter now for sale on Gunbroker.com. This adaper lets you attach anything with 1/2 by 28 threads onto the end of the barrel. I have a Tactical Innovations suppressor which I use on my two 2206s. Cost about $250 (you might be able to get one for $200). Add the $200 for the federal tax stamp and small change for the application photos.

My pistols function fine with cheap high velocity .22 ammo using the suppressor, and from the shooter's perspective the explosive noise is virtually eliminated. All I can hear is the metallic ping of the functioning action. The SW 2206 has an excellent trigger and adjustable sights. A scope can be mounted using a B-Square product or you can drill and tap the top of the pistol to install a Weaver rail. Cheap fun.

Drakejake

748
June 30, 2007, 12:59 AM
The fiveseven is expensive to suppress, $300 barrel, then you have to buy the supressor $650 then you have tax.
22's are a lot cheaper.

Mtdew
July 10, 2007, 10:58 PM
You know, I would really like a show of hands in this thread how many posters that feel the need to respond have ever actually had any experience with any suppressed weapons?

You mean like everyone that thinks 45ACP is great to supress since it's subsonic..but dont realize that unless you shoot the 45acp can wet it's really really really loud... to the point of not being hearing safe.

Best to supress 22RF. The cans are cheap & effective. You can use cheap HV bulk pack ammo if you stay around a 4" or less barrel (stays subsonic)

and std velocity ammo stays subsonic in most rifles.

Next IMHO 9mm w/ custom loaded rds (I like 3.4grs of bullseye under a 147 grn FMJ)

Hawk
July 10, 2007, 11:54 PM
If fixed barrels are preferred, has anybody tried suppressing a P7?

Nomad, 2nd
July 11, 2007, 10:03 AM
http://www.silencertalk.com/

Correia
July 11, 2007, 02:11 PM
MtDew, .45 is still pretty loud, but I honestly recommend wearing ears for any suppressed weapon.

.45 sounds like WHUMP WHUMP. If that makes sense. :) Take a big heavy dictionary and drop it on a hard floor. There you go.

And the new YHM .45 can is pretty sweet. I've been impressed so far, and it is affordable.

Guys, the supersonic "crack" that everybody on the internet is really hung up on is more of a Chuff noise. The vast majority of the sound is from the muzzle blast. Most of what I've shot suppressed is .223, and it sounds like an unsuppressed .22.

MisterPX
July 11, 2007, 02:55 PM
As someone who's shot more than a few cans, and owns more than a few cans, if you want quiet, I'd go with a 22. IF you want centerfire, a 9mm. The cans for most 45's aren't that great, unless you get one with a lot of volume, ie length. Although, AAC/Gemtech/somebody, is working on a 45 pistol can that's supposed to actually quiet the report.

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