Re-strike capability


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VMIRat1995
March 5, 2007, 12:30 AM
This just popped into my head since I have both pistols:

Does the Springfield XD and the CZ 75B both have "re-strike" capability?

I mean, if I pull the trigger on either of them and they don't go "boom", can I simply pull the trigger again or would I have to chamber a new round?

I have a feeling that the XD does not have "re-strike" capability while the CZ does. Am I correct?

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ugaarguy
March 5, 2007, 12:43 AM
You are correct. The solution is a "tap-rack-bang" as it's called.

packarat
March 5, 2007, 12:56 AM
The only pistol that I know of that has the ability to revert to DA if SA fails is the Taurus 24/7 pro.

Johnny Guest
March 5, 2007, 01:15 AM
ugaarguy is spot on with the proper corrective action in a fail-to-fire situation. ONE TRY is all a cartridge is going to get from me. If it has a truly dead primer, chances are that a second strike won't do any good. Time's a-wastin! Dump that one and try another.

A second consideration is that you might, just MIGHT, have some obstruction in the firing pin channel, and the vigorous opening and slamming of the slide could possibly dislodge it.

Yet a third possibility is that, when you loaded your pistol, you in some manner failed to get a round into the chamber. If so, a second hollow *click* is wasted effort. Same applies if the difficulty arises after firing one shot. This could mean that your magazine unlatched and was out of position just far enough so that the next round didn't feed. If the mag has departed, then I hope you have a spare on your person.

Good luck to you.
Johnny

Clipper
March 5, 2007, 10:02 AM
Sorry, Johnny, but I've gotta disagree...My PT-145 has second-strike capability, and I've had a couple failures to fire with WWB at the range (I've never had a failure with the silvertip HPs I use for carry, though). However, I've NEVER had the second strike fail to ignite the round.

And as to the empty chamber theory, anyone who fails to verify the chamber is loaded on their carry pistol before holstering it is an idiot and deserves what he/she gets out of the deal...

Rumble
March 5, 2007, 10:24 AM
I have used the restrike capability in a Taurus PT-111 once, to good effect. However, I figure that if things go south, it might be easier if I only had one failure drill to remember. So I do tap-rack-bang.

kokapelli
March 5, 2007, 10:28 AM
I have to agree with Clipper.

I have had a number of FTFs fire with a second strike.

Packarat, all SA/DA like the CZ75B have second strike capability.

waynedm
March 5, 2007, 11:28 AM
Packarat, all SA/DA like the CZ75B have second strike capability.

+1, I don't know where this Taurus only thing came from.

Walkalong
March 5, 2007, 11:45 AM
I don't want restrike capability, I want good ammo.:neener:

I am with Johnny Guest, get rid of that round. I've shot 1911's too long to change. :)

modifiedbrowning
March 5, 2007, 11:49 AM
+1, I don't know where this Taurus only thing came from.

From Taurus' silly advertising.

Whirlwind06
March 5, 2007, 12:07 PM
The Taurus millennium Pros and the 24/7 are SA/DA pistols. You carry them cocked and locked. They go to DA on a failure to fire. The CZ-75 will do the same thing if you are carrying it C&L.

Caimlas
March 5, 2007, 03:22 PM
Correction: the Taurus PT111/140/145 and the "Pro" variants are NOT SA/DA. They are DAO, unless they've recently changed them. I know they have recently changed the triggers to be lighter, and to have a "two stage" feel (I noticed this on one of the newer PT111s with the Heine straight-8 sights), but to the best of my knowledge they are still DAO. However, I'm certain all PT111/140/145s produced prior to about 6 months ago are DAO.

EDIT: I'll be damned! I guess the new PT111/145/140 Pros ARE DA/SA. Looks like they changed the model without giving it a revision number. I wonder if I could get the new trigger installed in my pt111 pro for free...

kokapelli
March 5, 2007, 03:36 PM
The Current crop of "PRO" pistols are SA/DA, not DA/SA.

snewbie
March 5, 2007, 04:38 PM
kokapelli The Current crop of "PRO" pistols are SA/DA, not DA/SA.

What is the difference?

I just called Taurus "customer service" and could not get a straight answer from the girl on the line as to whether they (PT-111, PT-145) are DAO, DA/SA or what. She obviously had NO firearms knowledge whatsoever and was looking up the info on the computer and doing a very poor job of parroting the info back to me. I guess that is what $7/hour gives you. :cuss:


Edit: found the answer.
One unique and interesting trigger type comes from Taurus on their new PT24/7 single action/double action or SA/DA model. The Taurus 24/7 was originally introduced with an LDA type trigger but was replaced with the new SA/DA trigger. As no one else has a trigger like this it bears explaining. This trigger is strictly single action, from first shot to last. The gun comes with a thumb safety which can be used if desired. Racking the slide cocks the striker (a hammerless, internal firing pin now common on most polymer frame pistols). The one and only time the DA-mode comes into play is one the off chance a round fails to fire, and thus the slide doesn't reciprocate. At that point the trigger can be pulled though a long, light DA mode. In SA the Taurus pull is six pounds, ideal for self-defense. In DA, the pull is still only seven pounds, much like any other LDA. The big difference between the SA/DA trigger and the LDA trigger that Taurus used to use (and still uses on its Millennium line) is that the trigger reset in SA mode is as short as a Glock or 1911 trigger. In other words, it requires very little forward movement of the trigger to put the gun once again in firing mode.

Whirlwind06
March 5, 2007, 04:58 PM
kokapelli The Current crop of "PRO" pistols are SA/DA, not DA/SA.

What is the difference?

My Ruger P95 is DA/SA the first shot is DA and the rest of the shots are SA.
The Pro models and the 24/7 are SA/DA. When you rack the slide you cock the striker/hammer. All shots will be SA unless there is a misfire, then they will revert to a DA trigger. They are meant to be carried cocked and locked.

My P95 on the other hand is designed to be carried hammer down. With the first long DA trigger pull cocking the hammer.

kokapelli
March 5, 2007, 07:51 PM
My Ruger P95 is DA/SA the first shot is DA and the rest of the shots are SA.
The Pro models and the 24/7 are SA/DA. When you rack the slide you cock the striker/hammer. All shots will be SA unless there is a misfire, then they will revert to a DA trigger. They are meant to be carried cocked and locked.

My P95 on the other hand is designed to be carried hammer down. With the first long DA trigger pull cocking the hammer.
Or you can just get a CZ75B and you would have a great pistol.

You would have the best of both worlds:),because you can carry it cocked and locked or in DA/SA mode.:what:

Whirlwind06
March 5, 2007, 08:45 PM
Pretty happy with P95 thanks :)

packarat
March 6, 2007, 04:08 AM
Hey, you live you learn :banghead: . I checked out the CZ website and did not see a mention of second strike capability so I posted.

I have the Taurus 24/7 pro .45 and absolutely love it. No FTE, FTF or feed after 300+ rounds. Never even had to revert to DA, but that was what sold me.

If I had the chance for a CZ in my neck of the woods it would have been seriously considered from what I now know. In SoCal, especially where I'm from, there isn't much of an option and FFL transfers are kinda steep.

BTW - forgot about the rest of the Taurus pro line in my original post, so double shame on me.

SSN Vet
March 6, 2007, 12:07 PM
My PT-145 has second-strike capability, and I've had a couple failures to fire with WWB at the range (I've never had a failure with the silvertip HPs I use for carry, though). However, I've NEVER had the second strike fail to ignite the round.

exactly my experience with my 2nd gen DAO PT-111 Pro.

Winchester primers are a tad on the hard side.

This is evidenced by the test results for the Lee primer tools used by reloaders.

Their CYA instruction says to only use Winchester and CCI primers with their equipment, as these are apparently the hardest ones available. They specifically say to not use Federal primers as they ignite more easilly and can set off a chain reaction in the primer tool.

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