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1BLINDREF
March 8, 2007, 10:43 AM
Hate to be a follower, BUT with all the clubs popping up around here, I'd like to start THE SIG CLUB.

I'm a member of The 642 Club and the amount of information to be had there is incredible. I hope this thread can be as informative for fellow Sigaholics and Sig addicts such as myself.
I can't get on to the Sig Forum because I have aol, so having a Sig Club on THR might be beneficial to fellow Sig owners and enthusiasts in the same situation.
Please join and share your Sig stories, pictures and information.
www.sigarms.com

Thanks

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KMBRTAC45
March 8, 2007, 12:57 PM
Hey, this is my second club this week. First the 336 club now the Sig club. Well, I have 3 Sig's(actually I bought one of them for my SIGnificant other, notice the pun). My favorite is my W.G. 228 that I put Houge wrap around finger groove grips. Then there is the W.G. 225(my SO's), no additions to it yet. And finally the little W.G. 230, I bought it for my SO but she didn't like it so it goes to me:D . Well that is it, glad to be here SIG RULES!

1BLINDREF
March 8, 2007, 01:06 PM
Welcome to the club.
I put Hogue finger groves on my P229 .40 dak. It really makes a difference in the feel of the gun. My first Sig was a WG P228. I bought it about 15 years ago - my first automatic :D . I liked it so much that I bought a P220 .45 two weeks later. I've added a Trailside,a P239 .40 two tone, and the P229 dak since. Next will be a P225 or a P226.

Baphomet
March 8, 2007, 01:11 PM
Just bought my first Sig earlier this year. Started up a conversation with the nice Marine in the shooting-lane next to me one day at the range and of course it turned into "whatcha' got there?" sort of thing. Two mags through his 229 in .40 and I knew I had to have one. HAAAD too. Talk about being "bitten"...

1BLINDREF
March 8, 2007, 01:16 PM
It does'nt take much to get "bitten" It very easily starts to become an addiction :evil:

1KPerDay
March 8, 2007, 01:18 PM
Ooo! Ooo! finally a club I can join!:D

I have a P226 9mm (no rail) and it's my favorite semi. Stellar ergos, reliability, accuracy, and looks.

Someday I'll get some checkered cocobolo grips for it.

Baphomet
March 8, 2007, 01:22 PM
... very easily starts to become an addiction.
AHHHHHHH!!! STOP SAYING THAT! Everyone keeps telling me that and I really, really, REALLY... can NOT afford a Sig-addiction. I've already had "the thoughts": Thoughts about selling this pistol or that, to be replaced with, ohhh... say a 220 for instance. And those little 232ST's are just about too sexy for the planet.

1BLINDREF
March 8, 2007, 01:39 PM
It's a slippery slope. :evil:

gandog56
March 8, 2007, 01:53 PM
Just got my first Sig, a P229 in .357 Sig, with a 40 S&W barrel for it on order. It's like two Sigs in one!:D

mattw
March 8, 2007, 02:14 PM
I always wanted to get a sig but every time I see one at a gun show It never feels right in my hand. It seems like the grip is too cylindrical when compared to my 1911s. Also the slide seems to be the width of a small bus. Anyone else feel this way and over come it, only to purchase a sig and love it?

1KPerDay
March 8, 2007, 02:19 PM
My Sig slips into my hand completely naturally, and feels better there than any other hangun I own. Mmmmmmm....:cool:

GrooveHolmes
March 8, 2007, 02:54 PM
Ok, I'll join the club too. I bought my P226 .40S&W almost 6 years ago. I love it. It is the first and only gun I have ever owned. I plan to change that eventually. In fact, I went to look at SA XD-45 recently and somehow a P239 SAS ended up in my hand. Talk about sexy! It will be my next handgun purchase.

1BLINDREF
March 8, 2007, 04:03 PM
Welcome to the club 1kPerDay and GrooveHolmes!
+1 on the P239 SAS.
I'm going to a big show this weekend and might just be coming home with one to add to the "family" :D

hrgrisso
March 8, 2007, 04:28 PM
I have several Sigs:

226 9mm DA/SA made in W/Germany
2340 .40 S&W
239 .40 S&W
220 .45
229 .40

I'm about ready to ring my brothers neck though! I ordered a new barrel for my 229 in .357 Sig. I had loaned him my 220 and my 229. He still has them. As he lives a few hours away he hasn't been back and "remembered" to bring them. I have two of his Berretta's in the meantime but I'm a Sig guy. Not a Berretaphile.

My favorite's are the 2340 and the 229. They both point so naturally and are so easily concealed. They combine the best features of all around guns that they are hard to argue against.

outofbattery
March 8, 2007, 04:36 PM
I have 2 P226 9mm's, a 9mm P239,.357SIG SP2340 and a .380 P230.They are all fantastic pistols.

ugaarguy
March 8, 2007, 04:45 PM
I'll play alonng. My only SiG is a GSR, but it's a sweet pistola. Here's a link to the GSR info thread I started, which has pics. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=259946.

1BLINDREF
March 8, 2007, 05:33 PM
ugaarguy - Thanks for the info on the GSR
hrgrisso - Sounds like you might have made a trade and not known it :fire: :cuss:
Although you can't blame him for not bringing them back.:D

hrgrisso
March 8, 2007, 07:31 PM
I think you may be right!

See if I give him anything for Christmas...

By the way, I hesitate to shoot +p ammo, or change my 226 in any way that might damage it. I love it but I hesitate. Am I just being paranoid? It's in great shape. Should I be worried?

loplop
March 8, 2007, 08:19 PM
And those little 232ST's are just about too sexy for the planet.
Tell me about it. I have always been attracted to them. I wanted a rainbow finish 232 that I saw, but didn't grab in time. A few days ago I saw a 232SL at the local gun store. Even better. Too bad it's not a 9, I'm not comfortable with stepping down to 380.

But damn that is one good looking weapon. However, my next SIG purchase will either be a 226 in 9mm for range work (and to grab a hi-cap before the next round of bans), or a 229 in 9 or maybe 357SIG just because I want to try that cartridge. Or maybe I'll grab a 239 in 357SIG for commonality with my carry piece. I wish that 239 SAS was made in 357SIG, it looks like a nice package.

I'll join the club :evil:

I replaced my 1911 "house gun" with this:
http://web.mac.com/ndjedinak/iWeb/Site/Arms_files/_DSC2353.jpg

And my Colt Defender 3" 1911 carry gun with this:
http://web.mac.com/ndjedinak/iWeb/Site/Arms_files/_DSC2340.jpg

I'll have to take some better-lit photos soon. C'mon guys, this thread is worthless without pics!! :neener:

AK103K
March 8, 2007, 08:37 PM
Count me in!

I started out with a P220, and now have 10 various "P" models and I'm working on 11, oh wait...., make that 12. :D

jwerlc
March 8, 2007, 08:46 PM
My 1st Sig was the sigpro, sweet gun that I never have time to shoot. Last month I found a great deal on a never fired P245. I'm still in the same boat, I haven't even shot it yet!!!
I have figured out that the 2 guns have nearly identical dimensions (the 245 is 1/2 in. shorter in the grip) and can use the same holster!:rolleyes:

Camera batteries dead...pics later.:banghead:

Black Majik
March 8, 2007, 08:51 PM
Here here! Stamped slide ie non rail classic P-series owner here. :)

Baphomet
March 8, 2007, 09:06 PM
Not my Sig, not even my pic, but one day... oh yes... one day:

Too sexy for THIS planet:
http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/Sig_232_on_vest_1_640.jpg

My own 229:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Baphomet/SA003.jpg

jwerlc
March 8, 2007, 09:42 PM
Now that there is a club for designated Sigaholics, maybe I can get a question answered here.
Where can I find some wood grips for the P245? Every other part of the gun can be serviced with P220 parts, but the grip comes up "short". (sorry, couldn't resist)
Thanks,
John

1BLINDREF
March 8, 2007, 09:58 PM
Here's my Sig family pics

My classic P220

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2209.jpg

One of my CCWs - P229 .40S&W DAK

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2210.jpg


Another CCW - P239 .40S&W TT

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2211.jpg

"A nice pair :D " - P228s

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2214.jpg

The plinker - Trailside

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2215.jpg

Lonestar49
March 8, 2007, 10:02 PM
...

Anyone have a light for my Sig..? :what:

Sig P229R CT 9mm

Bug.. Sig P 232 SL 380 (for wife)

Sig P220 45 cal otw, but deciding on Equinox Carry, or 220R Equinox



LS

SGTYuengling
March 8, 2007, 10:15 PM
Count me in! Just got a 228 for my 21st. The 228 has been my service weapon for the last 2 years (ish) and I absolutely love the thing. Cant beat it in any catagory.

1BLINDREF
March 8, 2007, 10:16 PM
Welcome Sgt - Thanks for your service!

jwerlc - I can't help you with your grip question. Hogue doesn't list any. Might try gun shows or eBay.

arizona
March 8, 2007, 10:36 PM
I'll join.

I have owned several Sigs. Never had a malfunction with any of them. My current favorite is a 229 SAS.

Now looking for a 239 SAS.

tbtrout
March 8, 2007, 11:06 PM
Thinking about my Sig and the prospect of buying more makes me all warm and fuzzy. I am really hot on the single action 220 now.

saltydog452
March 8, 2007, 11:15 PM
Lots of Sig knowledge in this thread, what is the 225?..it doesn't appear on Sigs web page.

What are the 225 differences from the 228?

Thanks,

salty.

Will Learn
March 8, 2007, 11:26 PM
http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=4937027 My 229(.40S&W/.357 sig) with 9mm EFK conversion barrel in. Sigs are reliable,very accurate, and comfortable pistols. What's not to love?

Chem Geek
March 8, 2007, 11:48 PM
Count me in, I'm definately an addict!

Took the NRA safety course, and immediately fell in love with a 226 Navy the guy let me shoot. In fact, I get to pick up my own brand new P226R Navy tomorrow! (Gift from my fiance). :cool:

I've been eyeing a lightly used P220 at a local hidden away kind of shop, may just go grab that shortly too. Then I'd love to get a trailside, P239 SAS (for me and cause the 226 is a bit large for my fiance), and that local shop also has a P6 in nice condition. Yep, I'm an addict. :neener:

Black Majik
March 8, 2007, 11:53 PM
Lots of Sig knowledge in this thread, what is the 225?..it doesn't appear on Sigs web page.

What are the 225 differences from the 228?

Thanks,

salty.

A P225 is pretty much a single stack P228.

blackbok
March 9, 2007, 12:25 AM
I'm in with my 225 (P6) and my 228 (picking up tomorrow). Sigs are my new best friends.

saltydog452
March 9, 2007, 01:41 AM
Got it. Thank you Richard.

salty.

Bockscar
March 9, 2007, 01:48 AM
1991 West German K-Kote P228 and a NIB Nitron P228 here.

DirksterG30
March 9, 2007, 05:58 AM
German Police P6 and Navy 226 no-rail here.

Lots of Sig knowledge in this thread, what is the 225?..it doesn't appear on Sigs web page.

What are the 225 differences from the 228?

Thanks,

Here's an excellent review of the 225. http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/Critical%20Look%20at%20SIG%20Sauer%20P225.htm

Incidentally, the P6 is the German police designation of the P225. SIG still makes the 225 in Germany, but they are no longer imported into the US (the 239). From time to time batches of P6's are imported into the States, and they are available from Gander Mountain, AIM Surplus, Dan's Ammo etc.

Ops Officer
March 9, 2007, 07:13 AM
"Now that there is a club for designated Sigaholics, maybe I can get a question answered here.
Where can I find some wood grips for the P245? Every other part of the gun can be serviced with P220 parts, but the grip comes up "short". (sorry, couldn't resist)
Thanks,
John"

I'm afraid I have some bad news for you. Wood or rubber grips don't seem to be available. As you know, the P245 is discontinued, which shocked SIGaholics when it happened. The gun wasn't selling well. It didn't catch on until SIG pulled it off the market. (Then SIGARMS introduced the P220 Carry this year.) The P245 wasn't available long enough for grip makers to produce rubber or wood grips for it. This subject has popped up a couple of times on the SIG Forum. I searched in vain for wood or rubber, esp. finger groove grips. Nills, Hogue, and custom grip makers just don't make them. Hogue does sell wood panels for the P245. But they may not be listed on the Hogue website. I had to email.

I have a P245 w/the Ilaflon finish and a P245 tu-tone I would like to dress up somewhat. On the practical side, I wanted to fit the Hogue rubber finger groove grips on them. I have equipped a number of my auto loaders and revolvers with the Hogue rubber grips to improve grip and reduce felt recoil.

The best you are going to do is a Hogue Handall grip over your factory grip. It is sort of like buying a one-size-fits-most bra for your gun, but it seems to work well for the P245. A Handall seems to fit just right without a struggle to slip it on or worry it will slip while firing the gun. I just inched it on according to the instructions.

I really like the P245. One I have is equipped with the XS speed sight, the Big AO. It is sort of like dotting the letter i and is quick on multiple targets at short range, which is the purpose of this gun. The P245 is quite accurate as you know. You know you can buy P220 mags and equip them with X-Grips for spare mags and increased capacity.

saltydog452
March 9, 2007, 07:21 AM
Dirkster, thank you. I should have thought to check Stephen's web site. My bad.

Sig rookie on board.

salty.

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 07:23 AM
Welcome to all the new club members!

Ops Officer
Thanks for the info on the P245 grips

Chem Geek
In fact, I get to pick up my own brand new P226R Navy tomorrow! (Gift from my fiance).

Sounds like you got a winner. Congrats :D

As loplop said - This thread needs more pictures!

TexasRifleman
March 9, 2007, 07:30 AM
needs more pictures!

OK


P239 in .357 Sig

http://homepage.mac.com/jayc67/carry.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 07:36 AM
How do you like the Hogue finger grooves on your 239? I think they make the gun feel completely better than the stock grips. What kind of holster is that?
I'm looking for a good IWB holster.

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 07:42 AM
I wish that 239 SAS was made in 357SIG, it looks like a nice package.

I would think that you could get a P239 SAS and drop the .357sig barrel into it. It should work since its the same gun - only melted down. Has anyone tried this yet to see if it will work?

Chem Geek
March 9, 2007, 07:55 AM
I would think that you could get a P239 SAS and drop the .357sig barrel into it. It should work since its the same gun - only melted down. Has anyone tried this yet to see if it will work?

I haven't tried it myself, but over on SigForum they talk about the ability to do that. Since the SAS is really just a 239 with some added stuff, the standard .357 barrell will drop in. But it'll only drop into the .40, the 9mm can only be a 9mm.

loplop
March 9, 2007, 09:21 AM
Does anyone know if the "melted" slide on the P239 SAS is less wide than the regular P239?

I'd like a SAS in 357 SIG to go along with my P239 in 9mm, but my holster is for 9mm... If anyone can measure with a micrometer the slide width of a P239 SAS I'd be much appreciative.

From time to time batches of P6's are imported into the States, and they are available from Gander Mountain, AIM Surplus, Dan's Ammo etc.
I saw one the other day at Gander Mtn. for $500. I got all excited until I picked it up... Darn if it wasn't rattly like a poorly fit 1911. It literally rattled in my hands.

Took the NRA safety course, and immediately fell in love with a 226 Navy the guy let me shoot. In fact, I get to pick up my own brand new P226R Navy tomorrow! (Gift from my fiance).
I should have bought the non-railed P226 Navy I saw a few years back. I *really* love the non rail version. I can't find one NIB now, though, so I'm considering the new railed version. 2 questions for ya:
1. Does it come with 3 high cap mags, or 2? I have been told different things from different shops.
2. Does it have night sights? I have been told same. It's not on SIG's website yet, so I haven't been able to verify Y/N.
3. Is the barrel hard chromed and nitron'd like the new P220 Combat? I was told this by one gunshop, but I don't recall the first version having this feature.

Chem Geek
March 9, 2007, 10:07 AM
I should have bought the non-railed P226 Navy I saw a few years back. I *really* love the non rail version. I can't find one NIB now, though, so I'm considering the new railed version. 2 questions for ya:
1. Does it come with 3 high cap mags, or 2? I have been told different things from different shops.
2. Does it have night sights? I have been told same. It's not on SIG's website yet, so I haven't been able to verify Y/N.
3. Is the barrel hard chromed and nitron'd like the new P220 Combat? I was told this by one gunshop, but I don't recall the first version having this feature.

I've seen a few NSW Navy's NIB around, but they usually want a pretty high price as it's the "commemorative" edition.

There were 3 Navy models, the original limited run of NSW serialized ones, a batch of non-NSW, non-railed that were apparently an overproduction run that got released to consumers, and now the current railed non-NSW Navy models. Apparently Sig still makes these for dealers, but they have to call and request one, it's not in the regular catalog.

The new P226R Navy's are the same as the old ones, phosphated internals, 3 phosphated hi-cap mags, and contrast sites, not night sites. Also I don't think the barrel is hard chromed.

As for the 239 SAS, the .40 slide is slightly wider than the 9mm, no idea how much though.

outofbattery
March 9, 2007, 12:32 PM
I saw one the other day at Gander Mtn. for $500. I got all excited until I picked it up... Darn if it wasn't rattly like a poorly fit 1911. It literally rattled in my hands.

Both of my 226's sound like they might fall to pieces if shaken too hard but they're _all_ like that.Mine are old enough to vote and stone axe reliable,the slide rattle is sort of like a Ducati's dry clutch racket -you have to understand it to enjoy it:p

loplop
March 9, 2007, 12:37 PM
Ha, that's usually my handle on internet forums ("ducati"). Love the desmos.

I was told awhile back by a friend to avoid the super rattly SIGs. Now, a little slide rattle I'm ok with... But this one was pretty excessive, at least it *would be* on a 1911. Just don't worry about it and buy the thing? Is that what you're saying?? :evil:

Thanks Chem geek. Maybe I'll grab a railed Navy after all. I seem to recall the initial run of P226 Navy's (the NSW's) being a light gray color, but the new railed one was dark black like my P239. Is my memory mistaken? I'm not buying for "investment" I shoot my guns... So I don't really care if it has NSW serial on it (although I did like the donation).

threefeathers
March 9, 2007, 12:46 PM
Count me in. I carry a Sig 229 in 357 Sig daily and have a nice 226 in 40. Next will get either a DAK 229 or a 9mm 226. My son has the 2340 Sig in 40.

outofbattery
March 9, 2007, 01:10 PM
Yes, my 1989 P226 rattles worse than the 1944 Remington Rand :what: I'll start worrying when it stops working.

I just took it for granted that everybody knows a Ducati dry clutch plays jingle bells!

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 03:45 PM
Does anyone have one of these yet? http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=37&productid=148
I'm going to a big gun show this weekend and I have the "new Sig itch" and wouldn't mind scratching it with one of these. :D

AK103K
March 9, 2007, 03:49 PM
I didnt think you were allowed to post PORN on here. :D

loplop
March 9, 2007, 03:49 PM
I was thinking you might just scratch this itch:

http://www.sigarms.com/images/catalog/product/556FULLleft.jpg

Better get one now before the new gun bans. I might just order one myself.

I have not yet handled the P220 Carry SAS, but I can say my P220 Carry Equinox is one fine pistol. It is every bit as accurate as any 1911 I've owned, and runs like a top. I really love the front sight, too, I wish more pistols had that sight. Very easy to acquire. I'm not totally sold on the looks (I'm a blue/black gun guy) but it was on sale for nearly the same price as a Nitron P220C, and I jumped. Boy am I glad I did. The trigger is somethin' else, too... Better than my P239.

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 03:54 PM
loplop
Looks like we are jumping from club to club :neener:
I like the looks of the 556, but I have my sights set on a RRA CAR-15. I want one thats been around for longer then the Sig.

loplop
March 9, 2007, 04:02 PM
Well, this is the SIG club, isn't it?? RRA???? :neener:

lurkersince03
March 9, 2007, 04:09 PM
I'm putting down an order for a 556, myself. Why not? You only live once. Same philosophy goes for any of the other high-ticketed semi-autos that "budgeted" people here scorn.

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 04:14 PM
Keep talkin like that and I'll have to re-think the RRA thing.
Damn peer presure :cuss:

motorheadjohn
March 9, 2007, 04:34 PM
I bought my first gun in Sept 2006, a SiG P226R .40 with the factory logo crimson trace grips. I've got over 3000 rounds through it now and carry it regularly.

Then I picked up a P239 SAS lightly used, for summertime carry duty. Still need to pick up an IWB holster for it. From the question above, the slide is no thinner, but the edges are rounded off. The 9mm P239s have slightly different dimensions, though, compared to the .40 and .357 models.

Latest acquisition is a P226R Stainless .40. It quickly became my favorite range gun.

http://www.1970roadrunner.com/pics/dscn1737e.jpg

http://www.1970roadrunner.com/pics/dsc04192.jpg

http://www.1970roadrunner.com/pics/dscn1911e.jpg

Chem Geek
March 9, 2007, 04:36 PM
Lookie what I picked up on the way home today! :D All covered in Sig goo! :neener:

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r74/chem_geek/new_navy.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r74/chem_geek/new_navy2.jpg

Called to verify it's new, left Sig in January of this year! :eek: Local shop I picked it up from was going on and on about how great a gun it is, then he started making fun of me cause of my ear to ear grin! Unfortunately I'm slammed this weekend so it'll have to wait until next week to start the break in process. :rolleyes: Best damn present I ever got! :D

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 05:11 PM
Motorhead - Welcome to the club! Nice family pics :D

Chem - Congrats on the new addition - Good luck and good shootin with it :evil:
I like the anchor tatoo

emilsal
March 9, 2007, 05:15 PM
I own several Sigs. My favorite is my Bruce Gray tuned P226R that I use for competition.

Black Majik
March 9, 2007, 05:16 PM
Emil is definitely one of the SIG addicts. :evil:

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 05:25 PM
Welcome Emil :D Got any pics?

Chem Geek
March 9, 2007, 05:27 PM
Boy the 239 SAS is gorgeous! Any Trailside fans in this bunch? I've been contemplating finding one for the cheapness that is shooting 22LR. :)

Black Majik
March 9, 2007, 05:35 PM
Welcome Emil :D Got any pics?

Emil's gonna have to provide pics of his gun, but I do have a picture of him shooting his Grayguns P226R :)

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d194/RChang824/Emil1-21-07.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 06:42 PM
:cool: That's a great pic :evil:

loplop
March 9, 2007, 07:05 PM
Chem Geek, congrats!! I may have to grab one of those.

Re: 556. Why not? The way I see it, we probably don't have much time. After the new "assault weapon ban" passes, and I don't see why it won't, there will be no more Sig 556. So there aren't many months to buy them, there won't be many imported, and I'm sure you could dump it later for the same you paid for it new. I could, of course, be wrong... and then you'd only be left with what should be a Really Good Rifle. ;)

Emil: looks nice. The front sight looks like an orange version of the one in the Equinox. I *love* that sight.

Motorhead: thanks, I appreciate the thoughts on the SAS. Is the stainless version of the P226 a lot nicer to shoot than the alloy?

Archibald Tuttle
March 9, 2007, 09:45 PM
Great pics! Does anyone know where I can get some wood grips for the 220?

Black Majik
March 9, 2007, 10:24 PM
Archibald: Look at Nills and RoCo grips

1BLINDREF
March 9, 2007, 11:57 PM
Arch
Check out Hogue Grips http://www.hogueinc.com/getgrip/merchant.ihtml?id=42&step=2

I got mine on eBay.

1BLINDREF
March 10, 2007, 06:24 PM
Just got back from the Valley Forge (PA) gun show and scratch my Sig itch with a new P226R 9MM. :D

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2220.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2221.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2222.jpg



The only thing I'm not sure about is which exact model I have :uhoh: :o
The slide has the same two tone finish as the equinox. The right side of the slide has the Sig Custom Shop logo on it. The sights are the regular nite sites - not the Truglos like the equinox. The grips are the stock plastic Sig P226 grips. The bar code label on the box says : SIG P226 9MM 2T 4.4" 2-15RD PME, SG26R9PME. The serial # is U738***.
It was the only one like this that I saw today (looked at about 8 or 9 P226 9mms) Thanks in advance for any help!

Baphomet
March 10, 2007, 07:49 PM
Looks like the Hybrid.

The controls on the EQ series are nickel plated whereas your's are black.

loplop
March 10, 2007, 09:22 PM
I saw those for sale on Gunbroker awhile back. It's like a regular P226 with an Equinox slide (and the sight difference, as you noticed!). Some folks like the plastic grips better than the wood, anyway, the wood grips are a tad wider than the plastic. Did you get a good price on it??

I went looking for a P226 Elite 9mm today, but alas none are to be had. I did find a P228 that was a recent LE trade at a large shop. It was in very good shape, some scratches on the slide and one nick in the frame, but it doesn't look like it's been shot much at all, the barrel is in great shape. I have been looking for the "right" P228 for awhile now, and although this one wasn't a CPO (which I wanted for the refinished slide), this one was nice and tight and since I shoot/carry all my guns anyway a little wear is not a biggie to me. Price was right ($449) so I decided to grab it and see how she shoots :D

Not as pretty as yours, 1BLINDREF, but she feels nice in my hand and I'm happy to add my 3rd SIG!

http://web.mac.com/ndjedinak/iWeb/Site/Arms_files/_DSC2379.jpg

Speaking of adding SIGs... They also had a very nice condition used P232SL (no Hogues on this one, though) which as mentioned above is just TOO sexy. I really detested the red dotted sights, though, I had a very hard time acquiring them. Mag release is funny, too, and the lack of slide release felt odd. Nothing you couldn't get used to... And it felt unfamiliar (unlike any other new SIG)... And I just can't put my finger on it, but I wanted it anyway. I decided to skip it, though, for now.

I also grabbed one of these today:
http://www.niceshot.net/webstore/images/60317-goblin-432x286.jpg

I ride my bicycle alot, often through less than desireable areas, at odd hours. This will come in handy; I wear a Camelbak anyway. This one has a holster in it! I couldn't find a great image to link to show operation, but essentially you grab the gray handle and yank and there's your weapon. It's pretty neat, I'll report on how it works out as I function test it in the finally warming weather.

Spiff_P239
March 10, 2007, 10:43 PM
I'm in as well. I currently own a P226 NSW Navy edition in 9mm and a P239 DAK in 9mm, too. I've owned a couple more in the past (I'm actually in the process of selling my P229R DAK), but I'm sure more will be coming down the line when I can afford to shoot more than just 9mm.

Ala Dan
March 11, 2007, 05:47 AM
Two West German models-

a) .45 caliber P220A
b) 9m/m P228

Both, are MY Homeland Security based handguns~! ;) :cool: :D

SAG0282
March 11, 2007, 07:29 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v330/SGeringer/EDC015.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 11, 2007, 08:08 AM
Spiff -
Welome to the club and to THR. Thanks for making your first post in our club :cool:

Sag -
Welcome and thanks for the great pic!

Ala Dan -
Glad to have you here. I've seen some of your other posts and I'm glad you joined our club as well.

Lop -
Congrats on the P228 - and good job on the price :what: Can't find a nice one around here for less than $500.00 What area do you live in?
Did you get a good price on it??
I was happy with the deal - just under $700.00 out the door. I've wanted a P226 in 9mm for a while, but I didn't get around to picking one up till now. If I didn't buy one at the show, I would have bought one of the two CPOs that came into the range where I shoot. They were going for around $625.00 out the door. I liked the :evil: look and getting a new one for the extra $70. I'm going to look for the equinox wood grips to put on it (I like the fat black wood grips :D )
I saw those for sale on Gunbroker awhile back.
Do you remember how much they were going for?

jeepmor
March 11, 2007, 08:13 AM
If only Sig would embrace the 10mm, I'd be sold.

loplop
March 11, 2007, 10:37 AM
I honestly don't recall how much they were going for, but I do believe more than 700. I think you did very well. I have been hoping to find a 226 in 9mm for around that price for awhile, but no such luck around here. Everything I see is two tone or one of the special models, no "plain jane" 226's (in 9mm) to be had.

I live in Columbus, OH. Vance's usually has a good supply of LEO weapons coming through. I missed the P225's for $419, but I liked this P228 alot and I felt the price was quite fair. I stripped it last night and it was very well taken care of. I was pretty shocked when I realized the date code was KD or 1993. It looks like it's had less than 1000 rounds through it, and it certainly wasn't holstered for 14 years. Dunno what the deal was, but if it shoots well I think I did good.

I will see how function is, and then maybe send to sig for the $99 tuneup/night sights. Seems like a good deal. Maybe I'll have it nitron'd, too. I might grab a few MecGar 15 round mags.

For now, though, I shoot. I wish a happy weekend, filled with SIGs, to all.

SGTYuengling
March 11, 2007, 10:58 AM
I was looking at the slides on a couple Sigs, and I noticed that they were stamped either "Made in W. Germany" or "Made in Germany."

But, one of my old mans Sigs has Made in #. Germany," where the pound sign appears to be a stamp overtop the "W." I am not sure why this would be.

Also, do the "W. German" Sigs hold more collector value?

Thanks for any help guys.

As a side note, I picked up a new addition to the collection. I was about to go buy a 220 Carry that I hade my heart set on, but when I got to the table where it was for sale (Valley Forge Gun Show), some other Bastage had it in his grubby mitts and was signing the paperwork :eek: :what: :cuss: :banghead: :fire: This is not the forum for what evil thoughts were going through my head :evil:

Anyway, ended up walking away a new CZ75 Police. Sweet gun, great price, cant wait to break it in.... but.....

I feel like I just wont be complete until I pick up one of these:
http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=6&productid=146 :what:

Anybody have one? Please let me know how sweet it is so I can force the issue and just go buy one. :p

SGTYuengling
March 11, 2007, 11:04 AM
Lop Lop

Congrats on the 228. I've been shooting them up for the last couple years in the Army and I love it.

I just got the Sig tune up done on my personal 228, and it was well worth it. I would jump on it quick since I hear they are increasing the price to $130 + Shipping at the end of the month. Also, I slapped some Hogue finger groove grips onto mine :what: Well worth it- the feel is perfect.

Good luck with it and happy shooting to all as well. I too am off to the range. :neener:

loplop
March 11, 2007, 11:31 AM
Thanks for the tip! I'll get that process started then, it sounds like a good deal.

As for the P220 Equinox; since you wanted the P220 Carry, and are taken by the P220 Equinox, why not the P220 Carry Equinox? I have one (as posted above) and look at the groups I get with it. I'm no master, but even I have a hard time *not* creating one ragged hole with that one (up to 25 feet, most of my practice is defensive shooting practice <25 ft). It is a really nice weapon; I have already extolled the virtues of the front sight, so I'll skip talking about that again. But the Carry shoots very well, recoil is very soft, it drops back to target naturally, and it feels wonderful in the hand. The trigger is VERY nice, too, I like it better than the trigger on my P239. I'm not sure if the "Custom Shop" SIGs have a little better triggers, or it was luck of the draw (I suspect the latter as the "Custom Shop" smacks of Kimber marketing to me). Regardless, it's a natural shooter, was my first SIG, and convinced me to sell off my 1911's (except one) it's that good.

I have what are probably smaller than average hands, but I really like the grips. They are great, and also look nice. I don't see how you can go wrong with that pistol.

I'm going to shake out my P228 today. Can't wait to see what the hoopla of W German made SIGs is about ;)

Fun2Shoot
March 11, 2007, 12:02 PM
Sig Pro owner for the last few years here.

While I am impressed with my Sig Pro, I have owned lower priced guns that were the equal of my Sig in most ways and were at a substantialy lower price. My former XD service 9mm comes to mind and my Ruger P95.

Having said that, I am very impressed with Sig guns overall, but I am not a Sig worshiper. They certainly have their faults (GSR 1911's) as I read on the Sig forum where I am also a member. That's why I post mostly on THR. Over at the Sig forum, many of the members take a dim view of any comments about Sig or it's service dept that are not positive.

I would own more Sig's, but I just think that they are about 25% over-priced due to the 'aura' of Sig's. Pricing is 'market forces' I know, and I don't object to that, I just won't be caught up in it.

I drool over the P220R Equinox, but I just can't bring myself to pay the big Sig price premium when I know that a Springfield Mil-Spec will do the same job for about 35% less in price.

Yes I'm frugal, cheap if you like, but I just refuse to over pay, even if it is a 'Sig'.

A happy, but frugal member of the "Sig Club".

1man
March 11, 2007, 12:56 PM
add one more to the club

P229 .40/357
P245 (had get 2, they never should have stopped making these)
P220 in .38 Super
Trailside Competition Model 22LR

loplop
March 11, 2007, 08:40 PM
How is that Trailside, 1man? I've been trying to decide whether to buy one of those (I found a leftover NIB) or buy a Mosquito. Pluses for the Trailside is it should be a better (accuracy, at least) pistol, but the Mosquito could almost be considered training on my other SIGs.

I took the P228 to the range today. What a nice little pistol! It's a little snappier than my P239, which surprised me. It drops back on target more accurately for me, than the P239, though. Net effect is I'm a little quicker to double tap or touch multiple targets. I liked it a lot.

Now I need to decide if I'm going to have just the slide nitron'd, or both the frame and the slide since the "sale" on the maintenance package ends soon. Any suggestions?

1BLINDREF
March 11, 2007, 09:01 PM
1man -
Glad you are in. Whats that P220 like in 38 super? I never saw or shot one - must be cool. Post some pics of the family :D

I took my new addition to the range today. I put 300 rounds through it and it was a great day. Nothin like going to the range and just popping of a bunch of 9mm. I've been shooting mostly my CCWs (.40's and a S&W 642 :D ) the last couple of months and the 9mms felt like .22s. The P226 was flawless. I really like the way it feels. With 15 + 1 it seems like its never going to run out of bullets :scrutiny: :D

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2234.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2233.jpg

I showed the gun to some of the guys that work at the range. They sell alot of Sigs but they've never seen one like this one. It's almost like Sig had a bunch of Equinox slides left over and put them on a regular P226 frame. The reps from Sig are comming to my range sometime in the end of April :D . Maybe I can find out more about it from them. Will hopefully be able to squirrel away enough $ for that P220 carry SAS :evil: (soccer season starts next week - I'll have to ref about 20 games to get one!)

I don't like Sigs plastic grips, so I'm looking for some Equinox grips or maybe a nice pair of wood Hogues to make my P226 complete. Anyone have a pair of Equinox grips that they want to sell?- Please let me know.

loplop
March 11, 2007, 09:09 PM
I know what you mean about feeling like you'll never run out of ammo in the magazine... I've been shooting 45's for so long, and then my P239 and 442, that the 14 rds of the P228 felt nutty.

Looks like you had a great day! Nice shootin', Tex :D

1BLINDREF
March 11, 2007, 09:31 PM
Thanks. I always want to do better but I was happy with the first time out with it.

That Sig SSP program $99 special ends this month. The price is going to be $129.00 starting April. The only "discount" to do the nitron job is that you save on shipping because they already have your gun :scrutiny: Shipping is $30. I think its still worth it to get new nites and springs and have it checked over by a Sig-smith. I sent two P228s and a P229 all at once and they only charged me $50 for shipping them all together. I'm thinking about sending my P220 to tripp to have it hard chromed. There was a P226 for sale on here that had it done and it looked really great (IMO).
I went back to the Valley Forge gun show today and oogled a couple of P225 german police trade ins. I saw a total of 4 of them. They were going for $400 - To $425. They felt good, but they had considerable cosmetic wear on them. I'm gonna get one someday just to round out the collection, but right now I have my sights set on that P220 carry SAS. Oh yeh - I also want an AR before the next AWB. I hope my knees last so I can ref enough games to be able to get all my "wants". (Should have gotten into Kel-Tecs insted of Sigs :neener: )

Frandy
March 11, 2007, 09:42 PM
Well, since Baphomet posted my pic of my 232, I'd better join the club and post all of my Sigs. A 220 is next "in my sights."

232
http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/Sig_232_on_vest_1_640.jpg

http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/232CloseUp640.jpg

226
http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/226_Butler_grips_640.jpg

228
http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/228_Jan_3_2007_1_800.jpg

Trailside
http://homepage.mac.com/franman/.Pictures/Handguns/Trailside_Nov_2006_640.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 11, 2007, 10:21 PM
Frandy
Welcome - a P220 will round out your collection very nicely!

MTS Cop
March 12, 2007, 12:11 AM
My sidekick on the mean streets of Midtown Manhattan, P226:

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q307/rfrancis1984/SigSauerP226.jpg

JohnRov
March 12, 2007, 11:51 AM
P226 two-tone in .40

First firearm I ever bought. Won't be the last Sig.

Silver Bullet
March 12, 2007, 12:05 PM
My new P239 in .357 is my membership card.

I put some Hogue grips on it and took it to the range. Unfortunately, the Sellier & Bellot FMJ I was feeding it wasn't working at all. 10 jams on the first 15 rounds.

Is the P239 a fussy eater where brands are concerned ?

GrooveHolmes
March 12, 2007, 12:12 PM
hey loplop, it's funny you mentioned Vance's. That is where I bought my sig. :)

Here is a pic of my P226 .40

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54758&stc=1&d=1173715813

loplop
March 12, 2007, 01:32 PM
SilverBullet: hopefully someone with a P239 in 357SIG can chime in. I only have experience with my P239 in 9mm, which feeds anything.

GrooveHolmes: Vance's has some good deals on occasion. They haven't been carrying SIGs in Nitron as of late, for reasons I'm not sure of. It's all two-tone or special editions, usually in 40. I actually went this weekend wanting to buy a 226 Elite in 9mm, but sadly they had none. I would have also considered the standard 226. None of those, either.

And none in 357SIG. Odd!

Frandy, you're killin' me with that 232/Nill pic.

Scorpiusdeus
March 12, 2007, 01:33 PM
Ah yes, who can resist a Sig?

My first gun was a Sig and I'm almost exclusively a Sig man. My girlfriend is getting her first handgun, a P226ST 9MM in about 10 days.

Over the years I've owned the P226, P220, P228, and P239. Love em all, what I currently own is in my Sig line.

1BLINDREF
March 12, 2007, 02:45 PM
Welcome to all the new members! :D Thanks for posting the pics.

Silver Bullet -

I have a P239 that I CCW in .40S&W. I have a .357sig barrel for it and have put about 150 rounds through it. I used the Speer Lawman that they sell at my range and had no problems at all with them. The bottle-neck design of the .357sig bullet should make it a very reliable feeding round. Did you try both magazines or a different one? Did you break down the gun and clean off the Sig goo out of the slide and barrel before you shot it? If not, I'd try doing those things before contacting Sig or a gunsmith. I've never had any ammo issues with any of my Sigs.
Good luck with it and let us know how you make out.

DirksterG30
March 12, 2007, 03:38 PM
I took my new addition to the range today. I put 300 rounds through it and it was a great day. Nothin like going to the range and just popping of a bunch of 9mm. I've been shooting mostly my CCWs (.40's and a S&W 642 ) the last couple of months and the 9mms felt like .22s. The P226 was flawless. I really like the way it feels. With 15 + 1 it seems like its never going to run out of bullets

Glad you like the 226. FYI - Mecgar makes 17-rd mags for the 9mm P226; I got mine at www.topgunsupply.com ; great prices and good service.

1BLINDREF
March 12, 2007, 03:54 PM
Dirk-
Thanks for the info :D I'll check them out. Better get them while we can :mad: I bought two extra 15 round mags at the gun show (new factory for $23.00 each :what: )

smokin'n gun
March 12, 2007, 04:26 PM
Bought a P220 non rail "G" serial number a month or so ago and bought another CPO, which should be in this week sometime. After which I discovered that there was such a thing as Signess going around. Damn if I didn't catch it.

Next one P226R in .357

help me.:evil:

1BLINDREF
March 12, 2007, 04:34 PM
smokin'n -
Now that you've confessed to being a Sigaholic :evil: - Welcome to the Club. There's always room for more. Don't forget to show us your Sigs!

millerb
March 12, 2007, 07:19 PM
P228, German, 1994
P220, W. German, 1994


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/174/415981119_cedf61a2ce_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/millerb/415981119/)

Muddflap
March 12, 2007, 07:43 PM
I might as well go along for the ride. I got a .40 229 two tone CPO about a month ago. I love it. I am waiting on my dealer to get a CPO 239 two tone in .40, just because one is not enough.:D

loplop
March 12, 2007, 08:54 PM
Nice SIGs, all.

millerb: what pistol is that on the lower left? It looks straight out of a scifi flick :D

muddflap: I love my P239. It took me a bit of shooting to get used to it, but I'm really digging that pistol. I shot it back to back with a Glock 34 tonight, and I was reminded how much I like SIGs in general. The P239 is a really nice piece; the only issue I have with it is I don't always return on target as accurately as the full framed SIGs. I think maybe it moves around in my hands on occasion. Maybe the Hogues would help (but I really like the stockers for carry!). In any case, I'm still able to fast fire 21 feet and under into one hole, so good enough :evil:

Not to divert the SIG club too much, but how do you like that NAA Guardian, muddflap? I've been thinking about one of those for when the P239 is even too big. How's the recoil, say, compared to a J-frame stoked with +P?

Muddflap
March 12, 2007, 10:36 PM
Loplop, I'm looking forward to the 239. Hope it doesn't take too long.

I just got the NAA at a gunshow this last weekend, so haven't had much of a chance to shoot it. It is a heavy little bugger.:eek: I did take it out in the back yard, I live in the country, and run 2 magazines through it. That's 12 rounds, and it did pretty well. The sights are pretty much imaginary, but it's not a target gun. I hit a paper plate all 12 times at about 20 ft. I have never shot a J frame gun, but the NAA has a pretty good snap to it. The magazine with the extender definately works best. I have ordered a DeSantis pocket holster for it, and I'm really anxious to try it out.

millerb
March 12, 2007, 11:24 PM
loplop: Beretta PX4, 9mm. It's very nice and fits large palms/hands well.

1BLINDREF
March 12, 2007, 11:42 PM
Muddflap-

Welcome to the Club! :D
The P239 in .40S&W in a great gun. It's pretty cool with the .357sig barrel also.

loplop-

From reading your posts we seem to have some of the same tastes in guns. I have a Colt Pony Pocketlite for when my 642 is just a little bit too big. Here it is in size order along with my 642 and my P239 for size comparison.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2237.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2238.jpg

I bought it new about 10 years ago when they were still available. I haven't had any problems with it at all. I've put somewhere between 1000 - 1200 rounds through it. It's a true pocket gun. It's DAO and weighs 13 oz. Mags hold 6. The recoil of the .380 is nothing. Its very thin and is easier to conceal than the J-frames. Its a great gun for summer carry or pocket carry when you have to tuck your shirt with dress pants. It's also a good BUG for your BUG :cool:

I know - This is the Sig Club, but I was just trying to help a fellow member.

I think maybe it moves around in my hands on occasion. Maybe the Hogues would help (but I really like the stockers for carry!).

The finger grove Hogues make a big difference in controlling the recoil of the .40S&W. Try them out, if you don't like them you can always sell them on eBay

Silver Bullet
March 13, 2007, 12:21 AM
loplop and 1BLINDREF, thank you for your replies.

I took your advice and tried the other magazine, and it cycled through it okay (I wasn't at the range tonight to try shooting it again).

What goes bad in a new magazine ? The springs ?

I've got a ten-year-old Butler Creek speedloader that I bought for my double-wide Beretta 92FS mags. Works like a champ, haven't seen anything like it since. I was using it on my single-wide SIG mags, and I'm wondering if I didn't crush down the upper magazine lips a bit. Is this a known failure mode ?

loplop
March 13, 2007, 08:43 AM
Silver Bullet. I'm sorry if this is a repeat Q, but did you disassemble and clean the mag when you bought the gun? SIG coats their guns and mags in cosmoline (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmoline), which is quite sticky. It could make a mag malfunction if it was really gooey in there.

Muddflap, I thank you for the thoughts on the NAA Guardian. I was really impressed with the construction of the Guardian when I looked at it the other day. It made the KelTec feel so cheap. Not that looks are everything... But the machining was nice, it was smooth to operate, and exuded quality. I was frankly pretty surprised how nice it was. Heavy, though... Heavier than my j-frame.

Blind Ref: that is a very nice gun. My first 3 pistols were Colt's. Gotta love the Pony :D I've seen a few of those around, but never in great shape, they always seem to be a little beat up. What do you carry in your 380?

I went to the range yesterday and was perusing magazines in the lounge while waiting on a buddy of mine. I happened to see an article about the new SIG P220 Carry SAO, by Mas Ayoob. Personally I'm not going back to SAO because I just transitioned from 1911's and I like the DA/SA, but I do agree with his assertion that the 220 Carry's are light recoiling weapons. My memory is probably more distant than his when it comes to a P220 ("full size"), but I have shot a lot of 1911's and I think my P220 Carry is softer to shoot than the 1911. I'm not sure why; Ayoob said the SIG rep claims it's the lighter/smaller slide... Who knows, it is a fine shooter, though.

1BLINDREF
March 13, 2007, 08:57 AM
Silver Bullet-

Compare the tops of the mags to see if they look different. If not, it's probably the spring. Either way, I'd contact Sig (603)772-2302 to get a replacement. I don't think I'd use that speed loader on the mag that works just to be sure.
Good luck with Sig customer service - Let us know how you were treated.

loplop-

I carry Cor-bons in the .380 My Pony shoots anything I feed it. I also have a mag filled with Golden Sabers. I haven't carried or shot it since last summer. Looks like the warm weather is comming soon, so I have to get it out to the range.

Angio333
March 13, 2007, 09:57 AM
I love Sigs! I currently own 5 of them.

Falconeer
March 13, 2007, 10:10 AM
Greets folks.
A dedicated Sig fan here. My wife and I recently moved and unfortunately I had to sell off my P220ST to help pay for moving expenses. :(

However, I kept this:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/gentlemanfalc/Sig45s/P220C_Left.jpg
(Precioussssssss P220C SAO with Siglites.... :p)

I moved from Florida to Colorado so the cost of living difference is hitting hard. Once we get things stabilized I'll starting building up the collection again. On the list:


Sig P220ST
Sig 556
Sig GSR
Another Savage 10FP build to play sniper (Savage 10FP, B&C Medalist stock, Super Sniper scope, Ken Farrell 20MOA base and rings) now that I can find somewhere longer than 100 yards to shoot. :p
Any other Sig pistols I can get my hands on

Since I was bit by the Sig bug I've owned (in order) P226R, P239, P229, & the GSR. Why did I get rid of them? Mostly selling one to get another. I have a deal with my wife on the number of firearms I can own at any one time. :banghead: Anyway, the P220C SAO is a permanent addition; it's not going ANYWHERE. :D

GrooveHolmes
March 13, 2007, 12:05 PM
Hey Falconeer, Welcome to Colorado. Stop over at coloradocarry.com when you get a chance. It's nice to have a "local" forum and there is a good group of guys over there.

Black Majik
March 13, 2007, 12:13 PM
Hey, I recognize a lotta SIGforum members here. Great looking P220c Falconeer, I remember seeing your "re-intro" post on SF.c :D

SGTYuengling
March 13, 2007, 01:24 PM
I went to the range yesterday and was perusing magazines in the lounge while waiting on a buddy of mine. I happened to see an article about the new SIG P220 Carry SAO, by Mas Ayoob.

Hey Lop Lop- Do you remember what magazine you saw this article in (and what month)? I have read a couple of his articles and I definetly respect his oppinion. Sounds like something I would like to read as I get ready to add to my Sig Club membership- P220 Carry Equinox! :D

http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=37&productid=142 :what:

Thanks.

loplop
March 13, 2007, 01:29 PM
That's my gun, Sgt! I don't recall the mag, I'll look on Thursday when I go back.

Sorry for the bad pic, I will do better next time:
http://web.mac.com/ndjedinak/iWeb/Site/Arms_files/_DSC2355.jpg

prolanman
March 13, 2007, 01:33 PM
Count me in. I've got a few.

SGTYuengling
March 13, 2007, 01:36 PM
Lop Lop, you owe me a new computer- I just drooled all over my keyboard. ;)

If you remember to look for the mag I would really apprieciate it. Thanks a lot.

Falconeer
March 13, 2007, 03:11 PM
Hey Falconeer, Welcome to Colorado. Stop over at coloradocarry.com when you get a chance. It's nice to have a "local" forum and there is a good group of guys over there.Thanks kindly! My wife and I are loving it. I'll check out coloradocarry.

Hey, I recognize a lotta SIGforum members here. Great looking P220c Falconeer, I remember seeing your "re-intro" post on SF.c Regreets, Black Majik! Thanks for the complements on the P220C SAO; I haven't nearly enough of a chance to shoot it yet. I hope to fix that soon! :D

Falconeer
March 13, 2007, 03:16 PM
BTW, I found an article Massad Ayoob did on the P220 SAO:
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/F02.html

He mentions a review he did for another magazine on the P220 Carry SAO. I'd love to find that one also.

loplop
March 13, 2007, 03:44 PM
I'll check the magazine. It wasn't one of the ones I read regularly, and I did a double take to see what author wrote it because he said he was buying one. Definitely NOT Guns Magazine.

It was a very positive review. He is a fan of manual safeties.

1BLINDREF
March 13, 2007, 04:09 PM
Angio, Falconeer - sweet SAO :evil: ,Prolanman -

Welcome to the Club. Membership dues (pictures) are due! :D
Falconeer - you're paid up, Thanks
loplop
That 220 looks so evil :evil: - makes me want one. I'm still holding out for the P220 Carry SAS

loplop
March 13, 2007, 09:02 PM
There's a fullsize P220 Equinox at a local shop, used but unfired. $750. That would make someone a killer deal.

Me, I like the Carry model. I have a Milt Sparks Watch Six coming for it. I carry my P239 in a Versa Max II, but I'm thinking the slightly slimmer W6 will help with concealment a bit.

I found a P245 CPO in my area. Would someone who has owned/owns/has shot a P245 care to comment on the piece? How does the new P220 Compact compare (I know about the beaver).

loplop
March 14, 2007, 09:10 AM
I happened to find a very nice condition used P232SL (slim grips) at a local gun shop. The sights are three dot, with red dots. A little harder to acquire than white dots for me. Has anyone shot this configuration and could comment on the sights?

I'll have to wrangle up some Nill's if I grab that thing :evil:

How is the P232 size-wise, compared to the Colt Mustang 1BLINDREF posted above? It slipped into my pocket just fine, but it did feel larger than the Kahr PM9 I used as a comparo. Dimensionally, SIG's website shows it to be close to my P239 but for some reason it feels much smaller in hand.

I'm looking for a deeper concealment pistol than my P239 and J-frame. Has anyone carried the P232 in a pocket holster? It might be a tad larger than I'd like. Certainly not as concealable as the NAA guardian mentioned above, and larger than the "default pick" of the Kahr PM9 (which I will not buy due to spotty reliability).

I called and setup the Sig Service Plan for my P228. I emailed SIG customer service and had a reply in 20 minutes. Nice! It's going back to the mothership for the functional check/replacements and the night sights. I decided not to have the frame and slide nitron'd, as the factory blue is mostly cosmetically worn... I'll leave it as-is so it can tell me stories of its past :)

OH25shooter
March 14, 2007, 10:06 AM
I'd like to join. My only SigSauer, a 9mm P229, purchased used (LE) and manufactured in 1996. I added the TruGlo sights, plus new springs, cleaning, etc.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/OH25shooter/DSCN2530.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 14, 2007, 11:39 AM
OH25-

Welcome - And thanks for paying your membership dues (picture) so quickly :D
How do you like shooting with those TruGlos? I'm thinking of putting them on my P220 or P226. I looked at a used Sig this past weekend that had a red Truglo front sight. I couldn't believe how bright it was. It looked like it was a red light bulb sitting on top of the slide :cool:

loplop
March 14, 2007, 01:14 PM
The TruGlo green front on my Equinox is really great. It is very easy to acquire and re-acquire. I think it is a big reason why I shoot that gun very well (for me). Go for it.

Falconeer
March 14, 2007, 01:42 PM
I found a P245 CPO in my area. Would someone who has owned/owns/has shot a P245 care to comment on the piece? How does the new P220 Compact compare (I know about the beaver).I owned a P245 for a while but sold it. Here's a pic:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/gentlemanfalc/P245/P245_Left.jpg

I found the grip much too small for me to shoot comfortably with the standard mag. With the extended 8 round mag it was fine, but then it's the same (grip) size as a standard P220. That being said, the only two Sigs I've found not to my liking was the P239 (357 Sig) and the P245. I much prefer the P220 Carry. YMMV.

Silvanus
March 14, 2007, 01:42 PM
Can I join with only a Mosquito?:o

md7
March 14, 2007, 01:44 PM
count me in. proud owner of a p226 in .40 i would really like to add a 220 and a 229 9mm to the collection too.

1BLINDREF
March 14, 2007, 01:53 PM
Loplop

Is just the the front sight a TruGlo, or are the rear sights Truglo like OH25's P229 also?
My other problem is this - which gun to put then on. My P220 original nites are getting dim and they need to be replaced. I like the "classic" look of the gun with the wood grips. I don't know if the TruGlo's would look right on the gun. I think they would look out of place - not the same vintage look.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2244.jpg

I think they would look more at home on my P226. More like that Equinox :evil: look.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2222.jpg

One other option I thought might work is putting the sights from my new P226 on the P220 and putting the TruGlos on the P226. I'm not sure if they will fit. Sigs website lists them for 9mm and .357sig, and then for .40S&W and .45acp. If so, I'm SOL - my P226 is 9mm. Any help or opinions from fellow club members are welcome!!

ny32182
March 14, 2007, 01:53 PM
I'm actually low on SIGs at the moment, at 3. I have the most total rounds through my 226/.40.

Here is my best looking one, though it is a safe queen:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/ny32182/P229ST_3.jpg

With the cost of ammo, the one I shoot the most now is a newer production 228.

I had an SP2022 9mm for a while, but never warmed up to it I guess. I parted ways with it this past weekend, and replaced it with a G19. :what: Haven't had the chance to shoot the Glock yet.

One of these days I would like to add a new production 229R in either .40 or .357.

Falconeer
March 14, 2007, 01:54 PM
Welcome to the Club. Membership dues (pictures) are due!
Falconeer - you're paid up, Thanks
I found some old pics that I thought I'd post for public amusement. :)

P229 (357 Sig; my old carry)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/gentlemanfalc/P228P229/P229_Small.jpg

P228
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/gentlemanfalc/P228P229/P228_Small.jpg

Sig 45s :)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/gentlemanfalc/Sig45s/Sig45s.jpg

P226 & P239 (357 Sig; my carry prior to the P229)
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y25/gentlemanfalc/Sig%20Pics/P226-P239_2.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 14, 2007, 02:02 PM
Silvanus - You're in.
We don't discriminate around here :D
Besides - it won't be long til you need a Sig-fix and get something else to go with your plinker :neener:

Welcome md7
Don't forget to pay up (pictures)

ny32182
Sig for a glock :what: :barf:
You can join - but no more trades like that :p Thanks for the sweet picture

Falconeer
Wow - Thanks for the porn!!

hrgrisso
March 14, 2007, 02:05 PM
WOW Falconer. I wish I had a stack of Sigs like that! I have my five listed before, but WOW! Jealousy has set in!

To all the Sigphiles in the room: Which Sig do you carry? I know we're displaying our prides but what is your carry piece? I usually carry my 239. Due to some recent events in Arizona, I've decided it's time to start carrying more ammo. So I decided to start carrying my SigPro. I didn't have a good holster for it so I spent a few weeks browsing and ordered one from BearClaw Holsters about a week and half ago.

I'm actually waiting on the new holster but I've been trying to decide on a way to carry spare mags... Any thoughts...???

Falconeer
March 14, 2007, 02:15 PM
WOW Falconer. I wish I had a stack of Sigs like that! I have my five listed before, but WOW! Jealousy has set in!
I wish I still had them all, but the only one still in my posession is the P220C SAO. :( I will replenish the collection one day. :)

1BLINDREF
March 14, 2007, 02:23 PM
hgr -

I carry my 239 and my 229, both in .40S&W. It's easier to conceal them in PA during the winter months, late October to March. I carry the 229 in a galco CON250H with a sweat shirt over it. I have a SigTac conceal carry coat that I can carry just about anything in for the cold weather. It's great for around here - but probably not for Arizona :eek: weather. In the summer, I usually carry a S&W 642 IWB. Great for shorts and a tee shirt or I carry the 239 in a smart carry under my shorts - works pretty well, just need to practice your draw technique.

bearmgc
March 14, 2007, 02:29 PM
Only one, a Sig 229, love it. Maybe some day, a 245 or 220 carry

ny32182
March 14, 2007, 02:49 PM
To all the Sigphiles in the room: Which Sig do you carry?

228 right now. I may actually switch to the Glock this summer though, since sweating on a Sig makes me cry.

ny32182
March 14, 2007, 02:52 PM
Sig for a glock
You can join - but no more trades like that Thanks for the sweet picture

Don't worry, no more trades in the works. :) Though if Glock comes out with a G20 SF, I might have to be all over that one. Sig does let me down when it comes to 10mm. I sure wish they would introduce a P series classic 10mm. DA/SA.

loplop
March 14, 2007, 03:52 PM
To all the Sigphiles in the room: Which Sig do you carry?
My P239 in 9mm was purchased specifically for carry, to replace my Colt Defender (3" 1911). I carry it in a Milt Sparks Versa Max II, and am quite pleased with the combo. It's really not a small gun, but just about right-sized for fun at the range and small enough to conceal. I feel pretty comfortable with a loose t-shirt over it. I don't like IWB all the time, so I do wish SIG would make a "mouse gun" for those times when IWB isn't my choice.

I have a Milt Sparks Watch Six coming for the P220 Carry pictured earlier in the thread. I will carry that in the winter, most likely.

I personally don't feel undergunned with "only" 9 rounds of 9mm, I carried 7 rounds of 45 for years and was comfortable with that. I could carry 14 (or 16 with MecGar) in my P228 if I really wanted, although I haven't received my holster for that, either.

I would like to find a P229 in 357 SIG someday, I'd really like to try that caliber.

1BLINDREF: the front sight only is Truglo. That's fine with me, as it's the one I'm looking at :D

Falconeer: I suppose since I like my P239, I'd probably like that one. Although, since I own a P220 Carry which I love, it's not really a great use of funds. I don't have large hands, in fact they're probably smaller than average... So the P239 feels good in hand. It does move around a bit when I shoot it, though, which the P228 and P220C do not. I suppose I prefer the larger grips by feel, slimmer grip by carry. I'd like that magical mousegun that grows into a P220 when I really need it :neener:

Silvanus: of course you can join, it's a SIG isn't it? How do you like that skeeter??

hrgrisso
March 14, 2007, 05:08 PM
LopLop - How is that 220Carry? I've thought about it but I still can't shake the anxiety I get from only 8 rounds in a carry gun.

I love the .45 but I really love the .357Sig x 12+1.

I like the looks of the 220C and it looks amazingly balanced. I guess I know I'm a good shot but when the SHTF I'm nervous about not having enough shots.

I heard a rumor today and wondered if anyone can verify/disavow it. I heard that Sig is working on a striker/piston fired pistol due out sometime in the next two and half years. Any whispers? It didn't come from an uber reliable source but it's interesting to think about...

Chem Geek
March 14, 2007, 06:19 PM
Wow, so I thought I liked Sig's before.... I had fired a 226 Navy (NSW version) from a benchrest at a NRA safety class a few weeks back, and had received my 226R Navy as a gift. Finally got to break it in last night, and wow it's frickin great! :D

Forgot how light the trigger is in SA, but after about 100rnds at 7-15 yards, I pushed a target back to 20 yards. Managed to keep 5 rounds in a 5" group, I was ecstatic! Tried a few rapid fire strings, and well I can keep it together at 7 yards, I lose it any farther out. Have to keep working on that! :) Those 200 rnds went by pretty quick it seemed like, all in all it was great. Now I'm thinking about which Sig to get next, probably should get one my fiance can use too as she really likes the Navy but it's too big for her.

Can't wait to try it on a benchrest again and see what I can manage. Also found out the local indoor range does some USPSA style shooting that I was invited to, so I'm going to check that out as well! :)

Mr. S
March 14, 2007, 06:43 PM
I'd like to join up also.

Here are my 229R 9mm (17+1!) Siglites with Crimson trace laser grips.
And my 220 ST Green and orange Meprolights and Crimson Trace laser grips.

AK103K
March 14, 2007, 06:43 PM
1BLINDREF,

My P226's in 357SIG both have #8 sights, front and rear. My one P220 has a #8 rear with a #6 front, and the other both #8's.

Check the numbers and see what you have.

MGW makes a sight tool that looks the same as the SIG tool for half the price. I wouldnt doubt they make both. Its worth the money if you own a couple of SIG,s and allows you to change and adjust all but the P232 and the polymer framed model. You can pick up night sights for about $60-70, and sell the used ones on EBay for about half that, so it works out well.

1BLINDREF
March 14, 2007, 08:16 PM
Chem Geek -
Sounds like you're hooked :evil: Check out a P239 for your fiance, single stack mag is nice for smaller hands. P229 if she likes the wide grip of the P226. I can see the wedding pics now - Mr + Mrs Geek wearing their CCW Sigs :what: :eek: ;)

Mr. S
Thanks for joining and the pics - very nice! I'm in SE PA. Where in PA are you - East, West or somewhere in the middle?

AK103K
Thanks for the help - it's good advice.

ny32182
I may actually switch to the Glock this summer though, since sweating on a Sig makes me cry.
Now you are comming to your senses :neener:

prolanman
March 14, 2007, 08:19 PM
My P220 Carry and P229. Still have to take pictures of the new Navy.

http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k294/prolanman/IMG_0433.jpg

bpsig
March 14, 2007, 08:35 PM
Okay I have had the sig bug for a while.
My first was a 225.
replaced with a 220 45acp wg
added a 226 9 wg, 228 nickel 9mm wg, 226 40s/w+357 barrel, 220 45 wg factory high polish nickel made in 1991 only. adding a new 225 now
Daily carry is a issue 226 9m wg

hrgrisso
March 14, 2007, 08:43 PM
since sweating on a Sig makes me cry

That's what NP3/Roguard is for! :D

loplop
March 14, 2007, 09:17 PM
hrgrisso: the P220 Carry is a *fantastic* pistol. When I bought it, I actually didn't know about the new P220 Compact; I would have gravitated towards that one, instead. As I mentioned, I was replacing my 1911 45 carry guns, and picked up the Carry (and later the P239) to take the place of those 1911's. I figured I'd buy SIG's smallest (at the time, not really small!) 45 and give it a try.

It blew me away. This lead shortly to the P239, and then the P228.

The P220 Carry is still the best of them all, I think. Something goes beyond the concept there; SIG just happened to nail a pistol that is really controllable, accurate, and easy to shoot. The article I mentioned above (Mas Ayoob) claimed that the P220 Carry was actually softer to shoot than the P220 ST. That's fascinating, and I dont quite get it, but a good example of how soft this one is to shoot. And the controllability makes for excellent accuracy on followup shots. The gun itself is very well balanced in the hand, and I personally really like the grips. The sights are fab. It really is a nice piece.

Hey, I have been shooting 1911's exclusively since I bought my first pistol in 2003... This SIG pulled me away from them!

As to round count... Only you can make that determination. Personally, I've always been comfortable with the 7+1 in a gov't 1911. I'm also comfortable with 8+1 in my P239. When carrying my J frame wheelgun, I drag along a speedloader most of the time. 5 rounds does seem a little thin. So we all have our comfort zone, and I'll bet it changes with where you happen to be at the time.

Chem Geek definitely check out the P239, or a P225 if you can find one. The P228/229 will feel the same in hand as the 226 (double stack wide grip). I really like my 239; it is remarkably easy to shoot, very soft in recoil. Softer than the Glock 34 I shot the other day, softer than my P228 (with who knows how many rounds on the springs, though). I'd happily hand my P239 to any safe shooter and know they could enjoy it.

No SIGs for me today. I found a cherry S&W Mod. 36, and also grabbed a used Kahr PM9. Yeah, I know, I said I wouldn't. It's really the right size. Too Sexy for this World will have to wait a bit.

1BLINDREF
March 14, 2007, 10:34 PM
bpsig
Glad to have you in our club! Nice collection of the classics. I'm looking to add a 225 to my family as well. I'm not interested in a P6. I've looked at about 4 or 5 now and they are just too beat up. The $400 price tag isn't bad, but I'd rather spend a couple of extra bucks to get a cleaner one. I shoot all of my guns, but I like them looking purdie too. :D
Stay safe!

1BLINDREF
March 15, 2007, 10:53 PM
I finally got on to the Sig Forum. I found out what model P226 with the Equinox finish slide is. It's a PME - Poor Mans Equinox!! :what: Check out this thread - should make you laugh.

http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/445105678

:rolleyes:

Black Majik
March 15, 2007, 11:59 PM
Well... it made me laugh out loud at work. I had to put in a half ass reply and click to another thread to stop laughing.

You still got a good gun man, don't worry about it.

loplop
March 16, 2007, 08:29 AM
Too funny! Someone at SIG had a sense of humor, methinks. I wouldn't sweat it, I think it's funny.

Is the top of your PME stainless, or blackened? As I recall, my P220C Equinox has a flattened slide top, polished on the flat and black on the round. Perhaps that's a P220 thing, not a P226 thing.

I signed up for Sig Forum yesterday. Still awaiting approval. I had an old ID from back in 2003, but since I didn't end up buying a SIG at that point, I never participated. I thought I'd sign up with my "loplop" ID for continuity. How long does "approval" take?

Yesterday's range session constituted mostly of functional testing of my new (to me) Kahr PM9. I can report save one FTRB after some super dirty reloads, the PM9 gobbled up ammo with no problems. Big sigh of relief.

However, I tossed a bunch of the dirty ammo down the P239, and of course it had zero issues. Gotta love SIGs. It is always nice to shoot a SIG after another manufacturer's pistol; I am continually reminded of the little things I like about them. I've really grown to like my P239. My only complaint is it moves a bit laterally on me during recoil; not shifting my grip, just that it doesn't drop straight back on target, I usually have a little correction L or R of a few mm to make. No problem <10 yards in fast fire, but it does open my groups a bit. My P228 and P220 don't exhibit those characteristics, so I'm guessing it's the grip. The Hogues would probably cure that... But I'm going to buy a pair of Nill's. So pretty. And it's not a bullseye gun.

I had one of those great range sessions yesterday where nearly every shot went where I wanted it to. I try to visit the range 3x a week, usually in shorter rather than longer sessions. For me, this works out to better training than one big blast a week. Last night I decided to work on combat shooting, controlled pairs and "mozambique drill" stuff. After a quick bullseye warmup, I put a silhouette out at 15, 21 or 25 feet, my usual "combat" training distances. I kept all shots COM in the red zone, and all headshots connected properly. It's a nice feeling to have a good range day. I don't always have those :o

Conversely, the guy next to me blasting away with an AR couldn't even keep his shots in the zone when using the bench as a rest. OK, son, put that boomer down and go back to the 22. Damn if those things aren't loud. :fire:

usp9
March 16, 2007, 08:45 AM
Is this the only Rainbow Titanium? I forgot...don't ask, don't tell.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i186/ripley16/sig002.jpg

loplop
March 16, 2007, 09:07 AM
I like the rainbow. A lot. Thanks for the photo!

loplop
March 16, 2007, 10:24 AM
Well, my W German 1993 P228 is on it's way back to SIG. I decided to have the Sig Service Plan done, and after thinking it over also decided to have the slide and frame re-nitron'd. Unfortunately, SIG is not nitroning frames at this point (for expediency sake), so I only had the slide done.

I also decided to have the Action Enhancement Package done. Not that the trigger on the P228 is bad; far from it. But I'm kindof interested to see what the armorers get out of it. Hopefully I'll like it even more than my P220 Carry Equinox, which really has a stellar trigger.

I hadn't really planned on doing the Action package on the P228, but I would like it done on my P239 (P239 trigger is my least favorite of my 3 SIGs) and I thought this was a good way to try it out.

Whaddya know, it will be an almost new gun when I get it back. 4-6 weeks.

1BLINDREF
March 16, 2007, 11:21 AM
usp9-

Welcome to the club. Thanks for the picture. I think the Rainbows look pretty cool :cool:

Black Majik-

Not worried. I was just having fun with that thread over on the Sig Forum. The gun shoots great and I really like the looks of it. I'm looking for a nice set of wood grips for it. Not sure of which ones to put on. Got my eye on some Nills or I might try to find some Equinox take offs. I like the whole evil black look. :evil:

loplop-

The top of the slide is stainless, kind-of has a brushed look to it. I'll post a picture some time this weekend. It took The Sig Forum about a week to grant me approval to post on it. Don't know why it takes so long. I wanted to sign up as 1BLINDREF, but they said that it was already being used. I tried to sign up before, but they blocked AOL users and I think it remembered my first attempts so I am BLINDREF over on The Sig Forum. I had to set up a different email account with Fastmail (www.fastmail.fm/) Don't know why all the security :scrutiny: .
Gotta love SIGs. It is always nice to shoot a SIG after another manufacturer's pistol; I am continually reminded of the little things I like about them.
I completely agree with you. It's amazing how much nicer they are to shoot.

Let us know how the 228 turns out.

Sylvan-Forge
March 16, 2007, 01:23 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54948&stc=1&d=1174065509

usp9
March 16, 2007, 03:59 PM
That's the first time I've seen Wood on a blue P232. Man, that looks good!:D I wonder what Nill grips would do for my "rainbow"?

loplop
March 16, 2007, 05:10 PM
That is simply one of the best looking pistols... EVER.

1BLINDREF
March 16, 2007, 05:28 PM
Is the top of your PME stainless, or blackened? As I recall, my P220C Equinox has a flattened slide top, polished on the flat and black on the round. Perhaps that's a P220 thing, not a P226 thing.


Here is a picture of the top of my PME

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/dexternikki/IMG_2251.jpg

I have to invest in a tripod

oo7

Nice :D :D

motorheadjohn
March 16, 2007, 05:40 PM
Is the stainless version of the P226 a lot nicer to shoot than the alloy?
Sorry for the slow reply, went out of town on vacation. The stainless frame weights quite a bit more than the standard alloy frame. The extra weight soaks up some of the recoil. The standard alloy frame is nice, but the stainless just seems more enjoyable to shoot with lots of rounds at the range.

RobG5538
March 16, 2007, 05:47 PM
Count me in. This is my second 220, although I sold the first many moons ago. I am lovin' this one and will never part with it :D
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u155/RobG5538/IMG_0881.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 16, 2007, 05:51 PM
Welcome Rob-

I love the look of the wood along with the TT. Very nice gun - hold on to that one. What kind of grips are they?

RobG5538
March 16, 2007, 06:14 PM
What kind of grips are they?
They are Roco grips purchased from Brownells. They fit and feel great. The screws are Hogue.

1BLINDREF
March 16, 2007, 06:21 PM
Just checked out the Roco grips - they might be just what I'm looking for my P226 PME. Thanks for the info.

loplop
March 16, 2007, 07:39 PM
There's a thread on sigforum about SIG making a run of Nill SIG-logo'd grips. For $99 each! Good deal for Nill.

OrdinanceOutsellers posted that they will be selling them for $89. I reserved a pair :D

Those Roco's look nice, though!

RIDE
March 16, 2007, 07:42 PM
1st Post!!! :D

I thought I'd post here 1st, as tomorrow I will be the proud new owner of a Sig 556. I can hardly wait! I just need to figure out how to hide it from my wife. I no longer think the "collection" line is going to work. :D

Well... Hi!

EDIT: I just realized this is in the handguns forum...DOH! My bad... Stupid newbies!!! :D:D:D

1BLINDREF
March 16, 2007, 08:45 PM
Ride-
Welcome to the Sig Club and to THR.
I'm not sure if anyone in the Club has a 556 yet - I can't remember seeing any posts. I can't help you with the wife thing, I'm in the same boat. If you have a big gun safe, maybe you can put a fake wall in it and keep the 556 behind it :what:. I was thinking about doing that to my safe. If you come up with something better, make sure you share it with us!!
I hope you'll be able to sleep tonight :D Good luck tomorrow - make sure you post some pictures and give us a range report.

RIDE
March 16, 2007, 08:46 PM
Will do! Thanks 1BLINDREF.

1BLINDREF
March 16, 2007, 08:48 PM
I just realized this is in the handguns forum...DOH! My bad... Stupid newbies!!!
If it says Sig on it, you are in the right place :D

gandog56
March 16, 2007, 10:21 PM
Just got a Sig P229 in 357 Sig. Got the 40 S&W barrel on order. Going to shoot my first roll your owns tomorrow.:)

kendal
March 16, 2007, 11:58 PM
Here is my 556, not my first sig but the latest.

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o157/nversestudios/IMG_7981-3.jpg


http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o157/nversestudios/IMG_7980-3.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 17, 2007, 09:21 AM
gandog-

Welcome to the Club. I have a 229 in .40. I've been thinking about getting the .357 barrel for it. I have other priorities first- http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=37&productid=148 :D
Have fun at the range.

kendal-

Thanks for the picture and welcome. do you have any other "Black Guns", if you do, what do you have and how does the 556 compare to them. I'm looking at a RRA CAR-15 but I haven't made up my mind yet on which black riffle to get. I wish I had enough $$ to get both and the P220 Carry SAS :(

loplop
March 17, 2007, 10:26 AM
How do those 556's shoot, fellas? I know it's a handgun forum, but I don't think anyone's going to complain about a few range reports :evil:

usp9
March 18, 2007, 08:35 AM
loplop said


There's a thread on sigforum about SIG making a run of Nill SIG-logo'd grips. For $99 each! Good deal for Nill.

OrdinanceOutsellers posted that they will be selling them for $89. I reserved a pair

Those Roco's look nice, though!


I looked for this thread but couldn't find it.:cuss: Can you post a link please. Thanks.

Tom Servo
March 18, 2007, 09:45 AM
You could say I like Sigs...

http://lonelymachines.org/guns/p228_sc.jpg

http://lonelymachines.org/guns/p225_bulman.jpg

http://lonelymachines.org/guns/p245_sc.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 18, 2007, 11:34 AM
usp9-

Heres that link
http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/350601935/m/436103578

Welcome Erik - Nice Sigs :D
I have to put a set of those Nills on something - They're just too nice.
Is that a VMII? How do you like it? I need to get a good IWB for my P239.

Mr. S
March 18, 2007, 12:03 PM
1BLINDREF:
The VMII is everything it is hyped up to be.You wouldn't be disappointed with one.
I had one for my 239 and it was an incredibly comfortable holster.

BTW I am in Lancaster county..where are you??

jwerlc
March 18, 2007, 12:10 PM
The only thing I foound on the Sig site is the Nil grips for the 230/232 at those prices, no other models as far as I can tell...:confused:

gudel
March 18, 2007, 12:46 PM
What do sig people here have to say about this (http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/430601935/m/484101678)?

loplop
March 18, 2007, 12:49 PM
They're not out yet, jwerlc.

1BLINDREF: I use a VM II with my P239. Milt Sparks makes great holsters, and the VM II is one of the best. Very comfortable and concealable. I don't see how holsters get any better. Long wait, unless you order from Lightning Arms (I did for the P239, as I needed the holster).

I also have a Watch Six that I used to use with my 3" 1911's, I liked that holster a lot, too; except I got the "Dual Talon" version and I like regular snap loops better. The Watch Six is a great holster, not quite as pretty as the VM II but just as useable.

I ordered a W6 for my P220 Carry. I figure the slightly slimmer proflle can't hurt. I will buy a VM II for my P228.

gudel: gun folks don't like change. Any change stirs the pot. I do think SIG has gone a little "Kimber" with the variations. But then again, I *like* some of the variations. Customer Service has been really great for me, I played phone tag with Chris L. all week about my P228, and he kept returning calls promptly. If only I was at my desk more :D

AK103K
March 18, 2007, 01:23 PM
There is currently a set of new Nill grips for a P226 on EBay, starting at $75.

I have a couple of the VMII's. They are nice holsters and comfortable, but I dont find them as concealable as my Blade Tech IWB's. The forward snap on the VMII sits right at my front pants pocket with the holster at 4:30, and tends to be visible from the front.

If your looking for one and dont want to wait, Tom over at Top Gun Supply often has them in stock, but you will pay a little more. He's real good to deal with.

www.topgunsupply.com

1BLINDREF
March 18, 2007, 06:56 PM
Mr. S-

I'm just outside of Philly, exit 333 of the Pa Turnpike.

Thanks for all the feedback on the VM II.
AK103K brings up my concern about the VMII. From all the pictures I've seen, The holster looks like its really wide. It looks the the front strap would sit around the front of your pants. I'm looking for something more concealable. I'll check out the Blade Tech.

As far as the "Kimberization of Sig" goes, I like the new ideas and products that Sig is comming out with. My only concern is the quality issues that Kimber has had. I've never owned one, so I only know what I've read on different forums about them. As far as the GSR is concerned, IMHO, the 1911 platform appears to be more prone to "issues" than the conventional Sig "P" series design.

Terry1810
March 19, 2007, 01:00 AM
I've been away from THR for a bit and thought I'd better stop by and catch up on what's going on in the 642 Club. Well guess what, I see in that thread, there's now one for SIG.

I have a P239 SAS 40 S&W but I found that I'd rather carry the 357 SIG barrel in it. :D

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL73/989831/9406921/232688909.jpg

- Terry

pablo45
March 19, 2007, 02:47 AM
p220 and p228

1BLINDREF
March 19, 2007, 07:42 AM
Welcome back to THR Terry and to the Sig Club - looks like we're not allowed to call it a Club anymore. Glad we got this Thread established before the "Club ban" :neener: We have quite a few 642 Club members (I'm one) on this thread as well. Nice shot of your SAS :D

Welcome Pablo - P228 and a P220 were the begining of my addiction about 15 years ago. IMHO, The best 9mm and .45 (I'm assuming your 220 is .45) made!

loplop
March 19, 2007, 07:54 AM
Re: width of VM II. Sitting in my preferred position, just a *touch* over 3 o'clock, the front strap is even with my pocket slit. So it's not like it reaches around to the front of your pants :)

I assume you are thinking about using the tuckable feature? Where you tuck your shirt in over the gun? I do not do that, so I cannot comment. However, to do this you buy a different set of clips, which I believe are made of Kydex and sit behind your belt. IE nothing is visible. It certainly wouldn't do to have the leather straps visible, would it?

Personally, I wear IWB with standard straps, and obviously have an untucked shirt which covers them.

It is wider than, say, a Summer Special style (Milt Sparks makes those, too)... But this width is precisely why I like the holster :D It makes for a very stable, comfortable ride. The P239 is SO comfortable in that holster.

That's why Milt Sparks and others make a variety of holsters, tho, we're all different!

1BLINDREF
March 19, 2007, 08:11 AM
Thanks for the more detailed description of where the front strap sits. I don't tuck in my shirt, but my concern is with using that front pocket. I don't want the front strap showing if I put my hand in that pocket to pull something out. I wish there was a way of trying one on without buying it first. That's probably why there are so many holsters on eBay and on forum classifieds and in everyones closets!

loplop
March 19, 2007, 08:26 AM
I will say this: I have heard of the "closet full of holsters" but I don't have one. I have one holster per weapon. Can you believe it?? I'm serious.

My first holster was a Milt Sparks and each pistol I own gets one (save the 442 which got a very nice Kramer holster). I don't have a closet full of holsters, because I buy right the first time.

There are many other manufacturers, IMO, that make great holsters. I just happened to pick Sparks awhile back, and like the price vs. performance. I am mulling over the idea of a Del Fatti... Someday.

Reaching into your pocket is a non-issue. You do have a gunbelt the same color as your holster, anyway, don't you?? :evil:

AK103K
March 19, 2007, 08:31 AM
I guess some of the issue of where the strap will end up with the VMII will depend on your belt size. I normally wear a 32/33, and with my holster at 4:30 or so, the strap is forward into the front pocket of my normal Carhart type pants.

I've thought of trying the kydex clips, but was told by a couple of people who use them, that the rear clip sticks up and can interfere with your grip. I've thought of modifying a set of the 1 1/2" loops that came with mine to velcro, so that they would work like my old Ted Blocker LFI rig. It would involve modifying the belt too, but thats really no biggie, or you could buy one of Blockers belts.

For a leather holster, the VMII is very comfortable and stable. I havent worn mine in the summer to see how well it does with sweat. I havent had good luck with leather IWB holsters and sweat, and prefer the kydex for summertime. I used to live and work in your area there 1BLINDREF( I finally got out :) ) so I know what the summers can be like. You may want to keep that in mind if you work, or are outside a lot and sweat like me.

AK103K
March 19, 2007, 08:35 AM
I will say this: I have heard of the "closet full of holsters" but I don't have one.
I had a big one. :) Sold a lot on EBay a couple of years back and made out pretty good too. I still have a big box full though, for various pistols. One nice thing about SIG is, a number of their models will fit the same holster, so it makes it a little easier.

EBay can be a good place to pick up good name holsters cheap. I've got a number off there for less than half of what they would go for new, and some for as cheap as $10. Beats paying full price only to find you dont like it and end up chucking it into the closet.

loplop
March 19, 2007, 10:22 AM
Good thoughts, AK. I'm not much of a "sweater" and living in Ohio I don't see the awful heat, in general, that you guys do. Leather works out very well for me.

You mentioned that multiple SIGs fit in the same holster. I would find a list of "cross fitting SIGs" very useful! For instance, if one has a P228 holster, will a P229 fit? Etc.

AK103K
March 19, 2007, 11:12 AM
I would think the P228 and P229 would swap. One thing you need to deal with now are the "railed" versions, which wont fit the same holster. I have both, so I now just buy the rail versions as the non railed will usually fit them without being to loose.

The holsters I have found to work with others are P226/P220/P245. These all work well in the same holster. The holster is a little long for P245, but it fits fine otherwise. My P239(357SIG) will fit in my P229's leather holsters, but not as well as the others and some fit better than others. The Blade Tech works better, as you can adjust the tension. It also fits my leather P220 holster, but its a little snug. I have P239 specific holsters anyway, so I dont usually bother. You also have to keep in mind that the P239 9mm and P239 357/.40 use different holsters.

These are basically all "fitted" holsters, made for a specific model. Some holsters, like some of the shoulder holsters will accommodate more by design. Most of my holsters are Blade Tech, Milt Sparks and Desantis.

You can also use certain mags across models. The 226 mags will work in the 229, and the 220's mags will work in the 245, but the reverse is not true.

hrgrisso
March 19, 2007, 08:11 PM
While I haven't bought as many as late here's one man(who happens to love sigs) takes on Sigs issues.

The 245 was ready to go. The grip was too small, mags and grips were to expensive/unavailable. So losting that bogus model is about darn time!

The 225 should still be imported new. Why come out with a new design when a slight rebuild would have been better? The grip for the 225 is a better design/size than the 239 (as much as I love my 239, just being honest)

The 226/229 are still great, can't complain. The comments about too many niche models ring hollow as each have their own proponents, besides the Blackwater is a great buy with 5 hi cap mags. Why should I not be able to get the SigP229 Elite (drool)?

The P220 has finally been recieving the desired upgrades, adaptations that it deserves. I went and tried the 220 Carry and believe that it's what the 245 should have been!

The mosquito? Why not? The .22 Market exists. I just wish it wasn't half the price of one of the P series.

The Sig Pro's. These are some great Sigs. Quality polymer. These are what every other Polymer gun should be. Rugged, different, quality, accurate, comfortable to shoot, carry, conceal.

the 556? What's not to love, an adjustment of the Ak gas system in an AR form? Rugged? You betcha!

The GSR/1911 series. This was a gamble for Sig and I believe that in the long run it will pay off. While there were issues, most have been resolved and the few that haven't will be soon!

Quality issues happen in any industry, it's how the company responds. Sig has shown that they are working on fixing the existing problems. Customer service still needs some work but I must admit, if you get a good Sig, you won't need the customer service. If you get a bad one (rare outside the 1911's) good luck is my heartfelt hope for you. Sig needs to fix this.

One note about Sig. The .357Sig awesome. We need more companies that listen to their clientele. Instead a GAP!

The fact is; Sig is and will continue to be a formidable force in U.S. Arms. We

1BLINDREF
March 19, 2007, 09:20 PM
hrgrisso-

You bring up some good points. I agree with much that you said - esp the 245. IMHO I look at the 220 carry as the correction to the 245.

As far as the 225 goes, I think Sig came out with another single stack sub-compact to have a new model to push sales. I don't have a 225 (yet), but I do have a 239 - looks like it worked in my case.

I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to get a P229 Elite.
http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=8&productid=163

I have not had any issues with any of my Sigs - so I can't comment on customer service. I did use the SSP program for three of my guns and it was great. I was told that the turn-around time would be ten working days from the time they received my guns. I had them back in my hands on the ninth day, with all the work being performed as I had asked.
Hopefully Sig will continue its reputation for making a very fine firearm.

AK103K
March 19, 2007, 09:40 PM
Awww, the 245 aint all that bad. :)

Its a smaller, dependable .45 thats every bit as accurate as its big brother. The grip is a little shorter, but its not all that bad. As far as mags, it will also use standard P220 mags, which are what I use for my reloads with mine.

IF the P225 does come in, it would be nice if it was also in 357SIG.

As far as the 556, they need to loose the silly AR collapsing stock and put the standard 550 type hand guards and folding stock on them.

hrgrisso
March 19, 2007, 10:01 PM
I do like Sigs 239, i.e compact single stack. I like it. But the grip of the 225 is better for this ham fisted man. Hence I thought a rebuild similar to the 226 after the advent of the .40Smith and .357Sig cartridges.

My post in no way was meant to denigrate any of Sigs success but merely in response to a question brought up from Sigforum.

My problem with the 245 is the same as the 239, it's just that the grip is a tad to short. For me the 245 was a bigger issue due to an even smaller grip and bit more whomp behind the cartridge.

I love the .357Sig cartidge. I think the 556 is just about perfect. My comment on the 229 Elite was merely meaning I can't get mine for a few more months. About July to time it with the rolling of the calendar (i.e. birthday)

I don't care for the DAK trigger but anything was an improvement over Sigs original DAO.

CS has been good for me in buying things from the shop but I've called twice for questions about the SSP and LM'd both times and nothing.So there you have it.

I love Sigs and expect them to be around for quite some time. And what can you say, they aren't as boring and ugly as Glocks! :D

AK103K
March 19, 2007, 10:11 PM
I know what you mean about the grips, but the smaller grips tend to be a little easier to hide, and do come in handy sometimes.

I wish SIG offered standard grips for the P239 with a little more "swell" in them as an option. I replaced mine with Houge wood grips, and they are pretty close to right, but I still like the standard type stocks better.

SIG is kind of funny with their different models. There really isnt a whole lot of difference size wise between their full size and compacts when you put them side by side.

I too really like the 357SIG. Its fast become my favorite pistol round. For a true compact, I'd like to see Seecamp come out with one. :D

1BLINDREF
March 20, 2007, 08:01 AM
hgr wrote-
I love Sigs and expect them to be around for quite some time. And what can you say, they aren't as boring and ugly as Glocks!


I'll second that!

I agree with AK about the P239 grips. I have big hands and those thin plastic grips just don't get it done for me. I currently have a set of Hogue rubber finger grove grips on it. They make the gun fit really nice in my hands. The only thing I don't like about them is the sticky rubber for CCW. They tend to catch on my shirt. I wish Hogue or someone would make the same size grips with finger groves in wood. I'd be first in line to buy them. I'm not a fan of the factory plastis grips on any of my Sigs. The first thing I do when I buy a new Sig is take them off, put them in their blue box, and stash them in the closet. Being able to change the grips is another reason I prefer Sigs over some of the other brands out there - Hk and Glock.

usp9
March 20, 2007, 08:12 AM
After looking at all these beautiful photos, especially the one's featuring wood grips, I was forced to order grips from Sig for my Rainbow Titanium P232. I've never seen a picture of wood grips on a RT gun so when they come in I'll try to get a good pic and post it here. You made me do it...at least that's the story I'll give my wife.;)

1BLINDREF
March 20, 2007, 08:52 AM
Peer presure :banghead: :evil:
Which ones did you order?

usp9
March 20, 2007, 10:48 AM
Peer presure
Which ones did you order?


The only ones I saw on the Sigarms site. They were expensive but less than Hogue grips on Getagrip. Walnut with the Sig insignia.
http://www.sigarms.com/SigStore/ShowProduct.aspx?categoryid=90

loplop
March 20, 2007, 11:19 AM
Beautiful. Those are Nill's, and they're really nice looking. I can't wait to get Nill's for my P239 and P228.

I did hold a P225 lately and it was very nice. If the gun weren't so beat up, I would have bought it... I did think the grip fit a little better than the P239. But the P239 slim grip is great for concealability, which is why I bought it. So the P225 would have been a bit of a duplicate to me.

I used to use Hogue finger grooves on my Colt Defender 3" 1911, and although I shot the gun really well with those grips, I had problems with them catching on my shirt. I haven't gone to Hogues on the P239 for that reason.

GrooveHolmes
March 20, 2007, 05:28 PM
Hey everyone! I just got back from vacation and caught up on this thread. It looks like no one ever posted what magazine had the P220 carry Ayoob review. Well, it just so happens I remembered reading that and looked through the recent magazines I had purchased and.....TAHDAH!...I found it.

Harris Outdoor Group Presents #39
The Complete Book of Handguns 2007
By Massad Ayoob

Sig Sauer P220R SAO .45ACP
Compact 3.9" barreled Carry model boasts super shootable Single-Action-Only trigger!

The magazine should be on display until May 28, 2007

hrgrisso
March 20, 2007, 08:08 PM
Rather than just ogling the pretty pictures (please don't stop!):

I wanted to challenge every Sig-Phile in this group and ask some questions.

1. What first turned you on to Sigs?

2. What sets Sigs apart from every other manufacturer to you?

GO GET EM!!

AK103K
March 20, 2007, 08:31 PM
1. What first turned you on to Sigs?
Looking for something to replace my Combat Commander, I picked up a P220, which quickly turned to two, then a P245, then a P239 in 357SIG....ahhhh 357SIG, then P226's and P229's, also in 357SIG....then a Mosquito.......Aahahhhhh its a sickness, a sickness I tell you! I'm looking to pick up a P220 Carry this month. :)

2. What sets Sigs apart from every other manufacturer to you?
All you need out of the box is ammo. They comfortably fit my hand, controls are in the right place, they have great triggers and sights, scary accurate and reliable, and I dont have to do anything but shoot them. :)

Baphomet
March 20, 2007, 09:11 PM
1. What first turned you on to Sigs?
It's more of a "who" than a "what".

I was at my local shooting range when one of the young Marines in the lane next to me and I struck up some conversation. It pretty quickly into one of those "What have you got there?" shooting exchanges. After two mags of .40 through his 229 I knew I was hooked. I put it down, said, "I've got to have one of these..." and a couple months later I did. I was seriously thunderstruck.


2. What sets Sigs apart from every other manufacturer to you?
As a manufacturer, I'm not sure anything does, really. Although I did have a DAK conversion done and that DAK trigger really IS something else. It's the DA trigger I've been looking for, but didn't know existed. Once I swapped out the hammer spring for something a little lighter (on the advice from another Sig shooter) I was ecstatic. So I guess in short... The DAK trigger. It rocks!

Sigdude
March 20, 2007, 11:11 PM
I really fell in love for German made weapons, in general, back in the late 70's when H&K came out with their Model 91's and 93's.Then you could buy one for just $500.The Sig Sauer line of pstols caught my eye because they were then touted as being extremely reliable and accurate.I almost bought a P226 in 9MM around 1984.But i bought a Taurus Beretta lookalike instead.I sold that one soon after.Then i bought the European version of the P220,then sold that one too.

I don't like the way the trigger feels on Glocks.I can't appreciate that safety trigger within the trigger concept.When you hold a Sig pistol in your hand you just KNOW that your holding sheer perfection,and that it doesn't get any better than this !

Sigarms also has a great reputation for quality control.Their pistols eat just about all decent ammo..They are used by the Elite Forces around the Free Nations of the world that like to send Taliband fanatics to heaven so that they can screw their waiting seven virgins.Plus i love the Knock-Down power that DoubleTap
230 grain .45 Gold Dot Hollow Point Ammo. can do to Crack-Head Ghetto Zombies that wish to invade my home and harm my family.

I would recommend to everyone,before buying a" Plastic Fantastic " pistol to seriously consider checking-out the Sig line,especually the P220 .45.

For i am " The Sigdude " :cool: :cool: :cool:

Sigdude
March 20, 2007, 11:13 PM
I really fell in love for German made weapons, in general, back in the late 70's when H&K came out with their Model 91's and 93's.Then you could buy one for just $500.The Sig Sauer line of pstols caught my eye because they were then touted as being extremely reliable and accurate.I almost bought a P226 in 9MM around 1984.But i bought a Taurus Beretta lookalike instead.I sold that one soon after.Then i bought the European version of the P220,then sold that one too.

I don't like the way the trigger feels on Glocks.:cuss: I can't appreciate that safety trigger within the trigger concept.When you hold a Sig pistol in your hand you just KNOW that your holding sheer perfection,and that it doesn't get any better than this !;)

Sigarms also has a great reputation for quality control.Their pistols eat just about all decent ammo..They are used by the Elite Forces around the Free Nations of the world that like to send Taliband fanatics to heaven so that they can screw their waiting seven virgins.Plus i love the Knock-Down power that DoubleTap
230 grain .45 Gold Dot Hollow Point Ammo. can do to Crack-Head Ghetto Zombies that wish to invade my home and harm my family.

I would recommend to everyone,before buying a" Plastic Fantastic " pistol to seriously consider checking-out the Sig line,especually the P220 .45.

For i am " The Sigdude " :cool: :cool: :cool:

Chem Geek
March 21, 2007, 12:20 AM
1. What first turned you on to Sigs?
2. What sets Sigs apart from every other manufacturer to you?

1. Well, I took an NRA safety course with my fiance and got to fire a bunch of different models. Glock 17, Glock 26, XD-40, XD-9SC, ParaOrdnance 1911, SP101, GP100, Ruger Mark II, Taurus 94, and finally a Sig 226 Navy (NSW version). Far and away I shot the best with the Navy, groups were almost twice as tight compared to anything else. In fact the SWAT instructor that was helping out the main instructor was watching me shoot and immediately proclaimed, "Looks like we have a Sig man here!" Most of the others shot accurately enough for me, except the XD-9SC (small grip I kept pulling left with it), but the Sig was just butter. So smooth, fit my hand just right, and was so easy to shoot well. I was looking for a CPO and my fiance got me a railed Navy model as a gift!

2. For me it's the feel of it. It feels perfectly put together, smooth, fits my hand just right, and shoots wonderfully. I lusted after the Navy pretty hard so I think that's the main thing that set it apart. Another thing that set it apart is I really like all the models, most manufacturers I like some, maybe even most of the models they carry, but I like all the Sigs.

loplop
March 21, 2007, 09:04 AM
I just got back from vacation and caught up on this thread. It looks like no one ever posted what magazine had the P220 carry Ayoob review.

Sorry, I forgot! But I did look :p

The mag you quoted above isn't the one I saw. It was On Target Magazine (http://www.ontargetmagazine.com/). You might find it at your local gun shop or range; I read the article while sitting in the lounge at the range.

1. What first turned you on to Sigs?
2. What sets Sigs apart from every other manufacturer to you?

Good questions, fun to read everyone's answer.

1. For me, the story starts when I started looking to buy my first pistol in 2003. I spent a LONG time renting guns at the local range, and borrowing any gun I could from friends that owned them. I wanted to buy something that I shot well, enjoyed shooting, and would be proud to own. I ended up picking the 1911 platform, but a certain SIG P220 was very nearly as good in my hands. Fast forward 3 or 4 years... A CCW holder since 2004, I tired of the compromises in the 3" 1911 platform and decided to replace my Colt Defender carry pistol. I looked at a lot of stuff, nearly bought a HK, but remembered m experience with the SIG back in 2003. So I bought a P220 Carry. And more followed. :D

2. I like the solid construction, the feeling that if you do your part the pistol should last a very long time. I like the triggers, which although aren't quite as good as a tuned 1911 are really darn good out of the box. I like the out of the box accuracy; although I was more accurate with a 1911 years ago, the SIGs are just as accurate in my hands now that my trigger control has improved. I like the fact they seem to eat anything you feed them! Not fussy pistols. Life is too short for fussy pistols. I also very much appreciate the ease of takedown. 3" 1911's are a PITA. Gov't models aren't so bad. But SIGs really spoil you with their easy of takedown! And last, the value. No, a SIG isn't cheap, but it's not all that expensive either in the scheme of things. You can buy a basic SIG around here for $700 to $750. You get all the inherent goodness of a SIG in that price, for only a bit more than one of the plastic wonders.

RIDE
March 21, 2007, 03:39 PM
How do those 556's shoot, fellas? I know it's a handgun forum, but I don't think anyone's going to complain about a few range reports

Well I haven't yet had the chance to take my new 556 to the range... But I will say... I am in love with this rifle! Looking for a scope/sights tonight, then taking it out sighting-in/shooting this weekend. I'll post a review of how it shoots after the weekend. :D:D:D:D:D

RIDE
March 21, 2007, 03:46 PM
Also.. if anyone is interested... I ordered a Sig 556 from Cabelas a few weeks ago, while waiting I found a dealer with a 556 in stock, so I snatched it up. Long story short, Cabelas in Kansas City has a new 556 on hold for me (priced at MSRP of $1295)... If anyone wants it, let me know, and I can have Cabelas swap my name out and put your name on it.

motorheadjohn
March 21, 2007, 05:01 PM
1. What first turned you on to Sigs?

SiGs were very highly recommended by some other motorheads I know on another forum, when one of the guys posted asking about what handguns to consider for self-defense. A couple LEOs I know confirmed the recommendation. Once I started shopping, I liked the way SiGs looked and felt in my hand, compared to other brands.

2. What sets Sigs apart from every other manufacturer to you?

For me, it is good ergonomics of the controls making it easy to learn and use, and fine engineering/manufacturing resulting in good out-of-box accuracy.

1BLINDREF
March 21, 2007, 05:07 PM
Ride -

Looking forward to your range report on your 556! It'll be the first on our Thread :D

Quote:
1. What first turned you on to Sigs?
2. What sets Sigs apart from every other manufacturer to you?

(1) I bought my first Sig - a new P228 in 1995.The only two guns I owned were wheel guns, a 6" Colt Python and a S&W 64 snub nose. I wanted to buy a 9mm and I did alot of research, mostly gun magazines. I talked to some of the guys at the range that I shot at. A few said if I wanted the best, buy a Sig. Being of German descent made it a no brainer. I went with the P228 over the P226 because it would be easier to CCW. Once I picked up the gun, I knew I made the right choice. I took two guys I worked with to the range to let them shoot my P228 and they each ordered one that night. That was the begining of my Sig addiction. A week later, the owner of the range sold me a P220 at cost for bringing in two new customers.
I now own six Sigs and I'm looking for # seven. :evil:

(2) The way Sigs fit my hand is the #1 reason that sets them apart from the other manufacturers for me. There are many quality firearms out there, but none feel as "right" as a Sig to me. The out of the box reliability and accuracy are also reasons that I'm a Sig fan. The fit and finish are great, and I haven't had any "issues" with any of my Sigs.

loplop
March 21, 2007, 06:49 PM
RIDE, keep us posted! I am really itching for one of those. Waiting for some range reports to hit the streets until I "pull the trigger."

1BLINDREF: I'm mostly of German descent, too... I have to admit a fondness for the Fatherland, and I'm actually going for a visit this spring. Not sure if we'll hit any firearm sites, although we will be close to a few manufactures. We'll see what the "Minister of Defense" (aka My Wife) says :D

CobraF100
March 21, 2007, 06:50 PM
I'll jump in on this..

SigPro 2340
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i70/CobraF100/SigPro2340004.jpg

1BLINDREF
March 21, 2007, 11:01 PM
CobraF100-

First - Thank you and your family for your service to our country!!

Thanks for stopping by our club and welcome. Thanks for the picture of your SigPro. We don't have many SigPro pictures on our thread. Do you have any "P" series Sigs, and if so, how does the SigPro handle compared to them? I haven't had the chance to shot one yet, but I'm hoping to check one out soon.
Stay Safe!!

loplop-
Is this your first visit to the Fatherland?
Kannst du Deutsch sprechen?

usp9
March 21, 2007, 11:23 PM
I thought Sig was Swiss.

Jimmie
March 21, 2007, 11:27 PM
But Sauer is German.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIGARMS

Silver Bullet
March 21, 2007, 11:30 PM
An update on my P239 feeding problem.

1) I discovered that the misfeeds were due to the spent shell not extracting, causing the feeding cartridge to have nowhere to go.
2 ) I then examined the extractor mechanism, and I notice that it doesn't look as I would expect; specifically, the extractor bolt appears to not be inserted all the way. The bolt is not completely parallel to the slide, it is just slightly pushed out (maybe 1/16 inch, 1/32 inch) at the front end. The effect of this is that the ejector is not flush with the slide, it is pushed out just a bit, which I think is causing the ejector "hook" to be a little outboard of where it should be.

My question is, 1) can I just push this bolt in myself somehow, or 2) should I get a good local gunsmith to fix it, or 3) should I send it to Sig to be repaired, or 4) don't do anything; that's the way a healthy extractor looks.

Thanks for the assistance you folks have provided so far. I apologize if anyone thinks I am hijacking the thread: I figured that my problems might be shared by other new purchasers and they might appreciate the info. Otherwise, I'll be glad to start a separate thread.

Sir Aardvark
March 22, 2007, 01:22 AM
I have a set of Nills on my 229 that I use for CCW.
They are great! The below link is to a "review" I did of them:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=150265&highlight=nill+findings

The holster that I use currently use is a Versa Max II. I do not think that you could go wrong in getting one of these.
I also have an Executive Companion IWB by Milt Spark's, which I also find very comfortable - the main difference between the two is that the Executive Companion is much more comfortable if you find yourself sitting most of the time you are carrying, while the VM II is more stable if you have to walk around a lot.

I have also installed XO Big Dot 24/7 sights.

Autolycus
March 22, 2007, 06:04 AM
Lots of nice guns. I want a Sig 228 really badly and I dont have the money.:o

1BLINDREF
March 22, 2007, 07:38 AM
Silver Bullet-

Not hijacking at all!!
I'm glad you shared to problem you are having. I started this Thread so fellow Sig owners had somewhere to post problems/pictures/stories/etc. If you want pictures of the slide and extractor from a working gun, I'll post them for you - just let me know. If it were my gun, I'd take it to a local smith first and get his opinion. How long have you had your gun? Did you buy it new?

1BLINDREF
March 22, 2007, 08:05 AM
Sir Aardvark-

Thanks for the report on your Nills. What caliber is your P229? I ask only because if its a .40S&W, I'm wondering what the recoil is like with wood grips. The thing that I like about the Hogue rubber finger grooves is the way they absorb the recoil, but they are too sticky for CCW. The Hogue wood grips were the ones I was leaning towards, but your experience on their checkering has made me reconsider. I have big hands so I'm not too worried about the width of them. The Nills are more than I wanted to pay for grips, but after reading your post, it sounds like they are well worth it. You get what you pay for.

loplop
March 22, 2007, 08:23 AM
Ja, ich spreche Deutsch :D

I am not as fluent as I used to be. I studied German for 7 years and just haven't used it much since my mother passed away (her family was German) and we lost touch with our German friends. I have done a few of those language-on-CD things lately and it comes back quickly, though.

SIG is indeed Swiss.

Sauer is German.

Wikipedia has a little info about SIG Sauer here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_Sauer).

There's some crazy stuff coming out of the Sauer custom shop:
http://www.sigsauer.de/uploads/pics/X5_kupfer_drache_li_04.jpg

:what:

SwampWolf
March 22, 2007, 09:25 AM
WOW! That "custom shop" SIG is something else! Though I'm normally pretty conservative in my politics and taste in guns (you know, walnut and blued steel) and I was initially turned off by that custom pistol, the more I looked at it, the better I liked it! Not enough to buy it, mind you, but a very unique and intriguing concept.

Count me in the club. My first SIG was a Pro in .40 cal. and, although it was a nice enough pistol, I could never get used to the "blocky" feel, interchangeable grip straps not withstanding. I'm happy so far with my new two-tone, 220 Carry, though I could do without the rails. Because this will be my new concealed carry pistol, I'm wondering if any member has experience with Galco's "Summer Comfort" IWB holster? I'd appreciate any feed-back on this model or other IWB leather. When wearing a jacket or untucked shirt, I really like toting my 220 in an El Paso "High Six" pancake thumb-break.

Baphomet
March 22, 2007, 10:24 AM
I got tipped off to something that is so good I feel I have to pass it along.

I just had my 229 converted to the DAK trigger and another Sig shooter suggested I swap out the factory hammer-spring for an even better trigger-pull. I was dubious about the whole idea but for the cost of a spring, I thought I'd give it a go. He was right. The trigger is smoother and has less snap (for lack of a better word) when the shot breaks.

For those of you that have DAK Sigs I highly suggest you try installing an #18 Wolff hammer-spring. The improvement it makes in the trigger pull, compared to the stock spring, is nothing short of amazing. It's hard to describe the change exactly - smoother isn't quite the right word - but for the cost of a spring, it's worth trying.

And no, no problems at all with light primer strikes or misfires. Not one. And all my brass shows good, solid, indentation on the primer.

Chem Geek
March 22, 2007, 11:00 AM
What's the strength of the stock spring? :confused:

What would you estimate the pull weight changes to? It's 6lbs stock right?

Baphomet
March 22, 2007, 12:24 PM
What's the strength of the stock spring?

What would you estimate the pull weight changes to? It's 6lbs stock right?

The stock hammer-spring on a P229 is #24.

The trigger pull on the DAK (according to Sig) has recently been increased. It used to be #6.5 from the furthest reset point but now they're shipping DAK triggers that break at #7. The short reset has always been, and still is, about #2 heavier than that.

With the #18 spring installed I would say the pull from the furthest reset point feels #5-ish. I don't have a scale, so I can't measure it, but I have been shooting a few decades, so I feel confident in saying that's not too far off the mark. However, it's not just about the weight of the trigger pull, it changes the overall feel of the trigger-pull in a way that's hard to describe.

If you try the lighter spring and decide you don't like it, you can always switch it back of course. I installed mine (having no experience with disassembling Sigs whatsoever) in about 2 minutes. It's a "pop off the old, pop on the new, reattach the grips" sort of operation.

hrgrisso
March 22, 2007, 12:49 PM
I saw someone asking about the SigPro vs the P Series. I have both and here's my 2cents.

I have four P series Sigs and 1 Sig Pro.
The only reason is that I only have 1 Sig Pro is there isn't a compact version or a .45. There is more definetly more variety in the P Series. Now for the kicker. If you like the grip of the Pro (the only complaint I've heard), it's similar to the 226/220 but big ER. It is a bit bulkier but it's very nice as you have enough room, to hold on to the gun in rapid fire or double taps and more importantly hammers.

The biggest advantage of the Pro is for the cost you get what Sig has always done better than anyone else (besides a custom tuned 1911) and that's the trigger. The Sig Pro is no exception. The great thing about it, is that if you can shoot the Pro you can shoot the P Series and vice versa.

Anyways, if anyone disagrees, let me know, I'd be interested to see what I've been missing. Just for the record though, I started with the pro (starving college kid = cost is important) and moved to the P Series.

Oh and for big guys or people serious about concealment, the Pro is medium size enough to conceal. I trade it up with my 229 (for other "club members my bro still has the 229) when I have it as my carry piece.

The only downside to the Pro guns, is that there are fewer holsters out there made to fit them. So consider yourself warned.

1BLINDREF
March 22, 2007, 05:19 PM
loplop-
Ja, ich spreche Deutsch. I am not as fluent as I used to be.
I'm in the same boat (or off the same boat!) I'm the first generation born over here. I learned how to speak german before I learned english - long story. My mother was 11 when they came over, so she speaks english without an accent. I spoke german with my grandmother but she passed away in 1990. I don't use it much anymore and find it hard to hold a conversation with someone. If you don't use it - you loose it.

Looks like Sig is getting into the "Pimp my Gun" bussiness :neener:

Welcome to the Club SwampWolf. I'm looking at the summer comfort for my P239. Hopefully someone can give us a report on one.

Baphomet-
Thanks for the information on the Wolff #18 hammer spring. I'll try one on my P229. I can't imagine the trigger feeling any better then it does right now. I can't wait to try one.

It's great to see all the good info sharing on this Thread. I hope everyone keeps it coming!! :D

1BLINDREF
March 22, 2007, 08:28 PM
I just checked eBay for some Sig stuff and I found these two adds

http://cgi.ebay.com/Milt-Sparks-VM2-Leather-Holster-Sig-P229-No-Rail-New_W0QQitemZ120101041868QQcategoryZ22701QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/Milt-Sparks-VM2-Leather-Holster-Sig-P220-No-Rail-New_W0QQitemZ120101041035QQcategoryZ22701QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I'm looking for one for my P239.

Good luck

loplop
March 22, 2007, 09:15 PM
How 'bout this one, fellas?

http://www.sigsauer.de/typo3temp/pics/70446689aa.jpg

I'd hit it.

loplop
March 22, 2007, 09:17 PM
Call up Craig at Lightning Arms Sports. He had the P239 VMII in stock, I now have at least one of his previously in stock P239 holsters on my hip :D

I can't wait to get my P228 back from the mother ship: Sig Service Pkg, Nitron'd slide, and Action Enhancement. I'm intrigued to see what the cheap-for-a-1911/expensive-for-a-SIG action package will do. They quoted 4 to 6 weeks which will pass far too slowly. :banghead:

A short aside: I asked around at my local range today about the SIG 556, and feedback was decidedly negative on the weapon. Supposedly the shop isn't ordering them anymore, as the few they sold had "many problems." The general feeling was "if SIG can make these work, they will rock." Of course, this was coming secondhand... I eagerly await owner experience as they hit the ranges.

hrgrisso
March 22, 2007, 09:54 PM
Loplop: I understand that your just repeating what you heard.

A short aside: I asked around at my local range today about the SIG 556, and feedback was decidedly negative on the weapon. Supposedly the shop isn't ordering them anymore, as the few they sold had "many problems." The general feeling was "if SIG can make these work, they will rock." Of course, this was coming secondhand... I eagerly await owner experience as they hit the ranges.

Not trying to push anything on anyone but I have heard good things from some of the shops here in Az. But we know how that goes:rolleyes: It seems like the shops who are Sig dealers think they are the best thing ever. It seems like the shops that carry/push Bushmaster/DPMS/Colt think they are crap. :p

I do like and look forward to hearing from a user/owner but what I've heard still makes me uber excited about them.

skud_dusty
March 23, 2007, 02:42 AM
I joined the sig club today :evil:

Forgive my horrible cell phone pic:

http://i10.tinypic.com/2hrd6kp.jpg

hicksdm
March 23, 2007, 07:35 AM
Joined the Sig club myself 2 days ago. Bought a used 228 and went straight to the range. After being a Glock guy for so many years I was doubtful. Was I ever wrong. That had to be the sweetest shooting pistol I ever had my hands around. It was a perfect fit. After a few hundred rounds I went back to the gun store bought and IWB holster and it is know my carry piece. Going back to the range today for a little more practice, quick reaction drills and then may order a 239 to go with it.

loplop
March 23, 2007, 07:48 AM
That's my carry combo! 228 and 239. Sweet pistolas.

Welcome, fellas.

hrgrisso: yes, just secondhand. The really odd thing is this dealer *is* a SIG dealer. And I've bought a few pieces from them lately, including my P239, so they know I'm the proverbial money in the bank. So they have no real reason to talk me out of one... Which he did with gusto. As in, "I *really* don't think you should order one."

He's a SIG fan, and he supposedly canceled his order. Although he maintains that if SIG gets them right, he'll be in line again.

Dunno, I was a little puzzled. :scrutiny:

Regardless: I'd like to read some real accounts before I make up my own mind on that one.

RIDE
March 24, 2007, 02:15 PM
Okay... I just got back from the range with my 556. Oh my! This thing is soooo smooth! I was anticipating spending quite a while getting it sighted in.... I took my first shot at 50 yds... the shot was 3 inches high and 2 inches right!... So I was sighted in in no time at all. I was getting 1.25" groups at 100 yds... this was with CHEAP!! range ammo, and a really cheap ($80) Bushnell Red-Dot sight.

The action was very very smooth. The 2-Stage trigger is also really nice. I would "rapid fire" 3 and 4 shots at a time and was still getting really tight groups. Recoil is hardly even felt, and muzzle lift was minimal if any at all.

I am thrilled with this rifle. So much so, that I'll probably be going back to the range tonight. Let me know if there are any "tests" you'd like me to do.

Innova
March 24, 2007, 02:22 PM
I guess i qualify for the Sig club now. Just purchased a 220ST yesterday. Here are the details and some photos. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=264718

GrooveHolmes
March 24, 2007, 11:15 PM
RIDE -- you are making it difficult for me not to put a 556 on my credit card. give us another report when you get back from the range. :D

Innova -- nice P220! I was born and raised in Canton.

1BLINDREF
March 25, 2007, 10:36 AM
Welcome new members skud, hicksdm,Innova!
Looks like our members are growing. :D

RIDE - I'm glad you are happy with your 556. I've heard mixed reviews on them and I'm still on the fence about a RRA CAR-15 or a 556. Keep us informed on your range sessions. Thanks :D

Innove - That's a sharp 220ST. Sounds like a great find. Where did you get it??

RIDE
March 25, 2007, 10:46 AM
One of the things that I really like about the 556 is the 2-Stage adjustable Gas Valve... It's obviously not something that will come into play in normal every-day type use, but in a "shtf" situation, it's nice to know that I can "flip-the-switch" on a heavily fouled weapon to adjust the gas output, and continue shooting use.

I'm mounting my scope tomorrow and taking her to the range.... I'll let you know how it goes.

loplop
March 25, 2007, 11:16 AM
Sweet, keep us posted. I'm particularly keen to know if you have any problems as the thing dirties up.

briansp82593
March 25, 2007, 12:22 PM
i like the x-six too bad they are not imported

Innova
March 25, 2007, 02:03 PM
Innove - That's a sharp 220ST. Sounds like a great find. Where did you get it??

I purchased it off a local corrections officer who was injured on the job and could no longer fire it. I don't think there has been more than 100 rounds through it yet, and there isn't a mark on the finish. This is the first 220ST I have seen like this, does anyone know how many were made? I guess I could always give Sig a call.

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