Wash Post: Pitting Gospel Against 12-Gauge In Hyattsville


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June 8, 2003, 10:32 PM
Pitting Gospel Against 12-Gauge In Hyattsville

By Marc Fisher

Sunday, June 8, 2003; Page C01
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A30170-2003Jun7.html

Marc Fisher can be reached by e-mail at marcfisher@washpost.com

The Mossberg Model 500 shotgun, which retails for north of $300, has proved to be quite a draw for the Catholic Sportsmen's Organization. Each year on the Saturday before Father's Day, members of St. Jerome's Catholic Church in Hyattsville join with others from around town for lunch, fellowship, shooting contests and a gun raffle.

The idea is to raise money for kids in Hyattsville who need good sports activities to keep them off the streets and out of gangs.

The raffle has drawn bigger crowds and collected more money -- $30,000 in three years -- than your average church fundraiser.

But some Catholics in Hyattsville believe that guns and God do not belong in the same building, nor in the same collection basket.

That's why the people of St. Jerome's parish have been divided for four years. It's why Peggy and Pat Alexander and several others have left the church. It's why the Alexanders are not on speaking terms with their neighbor across the street, John Aquilino, who came up with the gun raffle. And it's why even the cardinal has sought to draw lines between the need for money and the demands of faith.

"It's pretty painful," says Peggy Alexander, who now worships over at the Episcopal church. "To be 52 and a lifelong Catholic and to feel so betrayed by the church that you've grown up in -- it's hard."

Aquilino sees no spiritual issue here. He knows that Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, archbishop of Washington, favors gun control, but Aquilino sees that as the position of a member of the church hierarchy, not of the faith itself.

Aquilino set out to do something about the tattered uniforms of Catholic Youth Organization sports teams. An ordinary raffle might raise $100. But Hyattsville is not far from the Prince George's County Trap and Skeet Center, where gun enthusiasts practice and take lessons. A fundraiser there, with a gun giveaway, might get the kids the support they need.

Aquilino is also a gun activist, prominent in groups that campaign for gun rights. But he says he sought only to help the neighborhood children.

"We just want to raise money and have fun," he says. "My 77-year-old mother shot a shotgun at our event last year for the first time in her life, and she loved it. This is for people who enjoy firearms. I get a kick out of them. They're very calming."

Aquilino knew that some parishioners were appalled by the use of guns to raise money for church activities. In 2001, 14 members of St. Jerome's asked the cardinal to intercede because the church accepted money raised at the skeet shoot, which their pastor, the Rev. James Stack, had said "was neither illegal nor immoral."

Stack had told Aquilino's group that it couldn't use St. Jerome's name in connection with the gun raffle. So Aquilino and friends created the independent Catholic Sportsmen's Organization, which donated money from the gun event to parish activities.

"In this urban area, it is not appropriate for church-sponsored groups to be giving away guns," the letter to the cardinal said.

The cardinal decided that the sportsmen's group could raise money for St. Jerome's only if the events are not "related in any way to the use or sale of guns."

But that didn't settle the issue. Even if formal ties between the sportsmen's group and St. Jerome's were cut, gun opponents say the link remains strong. Sportsmen's group members wear T-shirts with gun images to church events. And St. Jerome's activities still accept money from the sportsmen, who say they only give the church funds raised from non-gun events.

How the church separates itself from the gun group hardly matters. What divides St. Jerome's is the larger issue -- whether those who believe in the church's rejection of the gun culture can coexist with those who say they can be good Catholics and still enjoy guns.

"We're not looking for a fight with the church," Aquilino says. "But this smacks of the same sort of intolerance and prejudice that racism is built from."

No, says Alexander, "it's a moral issue. It's about putting more guns out on the street. It's against the life-affirming doctrine that the Catholic Church preaches."

And so now, in Hyattsville, because some people cannot get beyond their fascination with guns and some people actually believe the words of their faith's commandments, Sunday is a day for staring across a deep divide.



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Standing Wolf
June 8, 2003, 11:08 PM
What divides St. Jerome's is the larger issue -- whether those who believe in the church's rejection of the gun culture can coexist with those who say they can be good Catholics and still enjoy guns.

The presstitutes of the Washington Post and getting positively desperate for excuses to flaunt their anti-Second Amendment bigotry.

campergeek
June 8, 2003, 11:34 PM
And so now, in Hyattsville, because some people cannot get beyond their fascination with guns and some people actually believe the words of their faith's commandments, Sunday is a day for staring across a deep divide.

I don't see the contradiction between these two viewpoints that the article is trying to make. Nowhere in the article is an anti-gun argument made on the basis of scripture and/or the commandments it contains - it's all based on emotion and ideas.

I guess I know what they're trying to refer to, but only in the deep, twisted alcoves of the liberal mind does raffling off a Mossberg 500 translate to advocating murder.

Mike Irwin
June 9, 2003, 02:16 AM
Pedophile, predatory Priests are OK in the Catholic Church, but guns aren't?

MikeK
June 9, 2003, 05:33 PM
Guns cause violence like altar boys cause pedophelia.

DonP
June 9, 2003, 06:17 PM
All the gun hating parishoners will personally make up the difference from their own pockets, between what the gun raffle usually raises and what the bake sale that they will put on and run will raise.

I'm sure they are so sincere in their anti-gun beliefs that they will do that year after year to offset the $30,000 in three years was it?

Then the people that have put in the time and effort, not mention the creativity in creating the event and gun raffle, can go and shoot a few rounds of trap while these bigoted bums put their money where their mouth is, or perhaps the Post would prefer to contribute to the church youth groups?

Seems reasonable to me. You guys make up the shortfall and we'll drop the gun raffle and events? Any takers out there? I bet the silence is deafening. Maybe they can get all 302 remaining members of the Million Mom March to show up at a special anti gun fund raining service too.

Ha!

Don P.

Stabby
June 9, 2003, 09:44 PM
Wow This literally hits home for me. I live in Riverdale, two blocks from Hyattsville, I know exastly where that church is. And Ironically I have a Mossberg 500. In this horrible area I would think the preacher should be talking about home and self defense. The area is really bad, I hear gun shots near by at least once a week, I can't understand how anyone whom lives around this hole could deny teaching kids responsible gun ownership and self defense.

Norton
June 10, 2003, 10:11 AM
Stabby has it right. Given the circumstances of most of the communities in Prince George's County, it's not at all unreasonable for a law abiding citizen to be concerned about their safety in their home.

Granted Hyattsville isn't as bad as some areas, but it's sure not Mayberry:D

Gunfyter
June 10, 2003, 01:04 PM
Ahhh yes, the PRMD. Ya just got to love it. At least out in the outlaying counties, gun raffles are an accepted fund raiser. Usually hard to find a ticket. :D

Spot77
June 10, 2003, 02:54 PM
I hereby renounce my Anne Arundel County citizenship and will be moving in with Gunfyter shortly.

I would especially encourage all Baltimore City residents to do the same.

I hope your house is big enough!

Gunfyter
June 10, 2003, 03:41 PM
Yep, you're more than welcome. Belong to the local IWLA chapter and we got a pistol range that's the chit's. Entire shooting line is inside so you only go out in the weather to put up a target. Go shoot to your hearts content, nobodey yacking about the noise. Now if our new Publikan gov will get us right-to-carry.

Gunfyter
June 10, 2003, 03:43 PM
Any of you guys shoot IDPA? Been to ComTac shooting school for the basic class and will be attending level two in September.

MikeK
June 10, 2003, 05:03 PM
I grew up in W. Hyattsville. Went to CYO dances at St. Jerome's. Still stuck in MD. We seem to have a few new MD members - maybe it's time for another MD THR shoot. The last one was organized by chaim and both of us had a good time. Unfortunately that's because we were the only ones that showed up.

I don't shoot IDPA, but it looks like fun. Someone has to come in last right?

Gunfyter
June 11, 2003, 07:13 AM
There are three clubs that shoot IDPA in PRMD. One in Thurmont that shoots on Tuesdays :banghead: , one in Annapolis and the most active in Lexington Park. My brother and I will most likely go there the end of the month for our first attempt, weather permitting of course. We've already been thru TP 100 with ComTac so we should at least be able to cope.

Norton
June 11, 2003, 08:27 AM
Never shot IPDA, but always willing to try!

Gunfyter, don't you have to be a member to shoot (at the range that is) in Annapolis?

Gunfyter
June 11, 2003, 08:37 AM
Not to my knowledge. They just charge an extra $5 to shoot. The range in Lexington Park(Sanners Lake) encourages folks to join but I live too far away to do it. As long as they just charge a few extra bucks, I can live with that.

themic
June 11, 2003, 03:11 PM
doesn't seem like an anti-gun article to me. if anything, i kinda got the feeling that the whiners looked a bit... well, whiny.

Feanaro
June 11, 2003, 03:28 PM
My one and only response to fellow Christians when they say war, guns and God don't mix is to read the Old Testament. If they still don't get it then I just don't bother.

2dogs
June 12, 2003, 10:36 AM
Raffling misfire


By John R. Lott Jr



When should a modest local Catholic Church turn down $10,000 a year for sports activities that help keep children off the streets and out of gangs?Apparently, that will happen this coming Saturday, when the money is raised by the Catholic Sportsmen's Organization raffling off a shotgun.
John Aquilino wanted to do something to replace the tattered uniforms of the Hyattsville, Md., Catholic Youth Organization sports teams.New basketball uniforms hadn't been purchased for nine years.The blue-collar area also had numerous other pressing problems: The nuns' roof was leaking; the parochial school was recently fined $4,000 for faulty fire doors; and the school's carpet was decrepit.The archdiocese has continually turned a deaf ear to calls for help and has not "given the school a single dime."Unfortunately, ordinary raffles for things like the sports teams were only raising about a couple-hundred dollars.
Yet, with St. Jerome's Catholic Church located only a 10-minute-or- so trip from the Prince George's County Trap and Skeet Center, Mr. Aquilino hit upon the idea of shooting contests and a gun raffle each year on the Saturday before Father's Day. It has been a roaring success, raising thousands of dollars in just its first year. New uniforms were purchased and money was provided for new carpeting at the school.
Opponents of the raffle and skeet shoot sprang up as soon as the idea was discussed.Mr. Aquilino offered opponents a challenge to see whether their approaches would raise as much money.One woman answered the challenge and set up bingo contests (and in the spirit of friendly competition the "gun nuts" helped her out a lot a long the way).Starting three years ago, right when the Catholic Sportsmen's Organization started, she has raised about one quarter of the money raised by the sportsmen. But this was a contest where everyone won. As Mr. Aquilino said, "I think that it is great, that is $8,000 [raised by the bingo games] the kids didn't have."
To Peggy Alexander, a former member of the church who has now joined the Episcopal Church, "it's a moral issue. It's about putting more guns out on the street. It's against the life-affirming doctrine that the Catholic Church preaches."So far, the winners of the raffle during the first three years hardly fit that dangerous image: a choir master at a neighboring parish; a 70-year-old mother of one of the people who helps out at the church; and the general counsel for NASA.
Surely, no one wants criminals to get guns. But few criminals participate in church fund-raisers and the evidence is that, with more than 2 million defensive guns used each year, guns are used at least four times more frequently to stop crime than they are used to commit crime.The most vulnerable in our society, those who are weaker physically, such as women and the elderly, as well as poor people (particularly blacks) who are most likely the victims of violent crime, benefit the most from owning guns.Police are extremely important, (my own research indicates that they are the single most important factor), but they understand that they can't be everywhere all the time and that they almost always arrive on the scene after the crime has been committed. The Catholic Church clearly recognizes the right of self-defense, and telling people to behave passively also turns out not to be very safe advice.
Unfortunately, Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, the archbishop of Washington, has tried to stop the raffles and skeet shoots. The Cardinal decided that the sportsmen's group could only raise money for the church as long as it was not "related in any way to the use or sale of guns."
This hasn't satisfied opponents, who worry that some of the "tainted money" could still find its way into church coffers. They also complain that the "Sportsmen's group members wear T-shirts with gun images to church events."
The media hasn't missed the chance to paint gun owners as uncaring cavemen.The Washington Post paints the disagreement as being between "some people [who] cannot get beyond their fascination with guns and some people [who] actually believe the words of their faith's commandments."That good intentions might be on both sides never seems to have crossed liberal minds.


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