How much would you pay for a silver bullet?


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silverlance
March 12, 2007, 04:36 AM
How much would you pay for a silver bullet?

That's the argument that came up today. Some friends and I were watching Underworld and we got into a very heated discussion about silver bullets - about the feasibility of making them, of whether or not it would actually kill a vampire (remember it has to stay lodged inside, it can't be just through and through!), and how much one would be worth.

Well, I called up a friend who does investment casts and another whose father buys and sells scrap metal.

The project is far from complete, but by the end of april I intend to have at least six Vampire Killer bullets.

Now the problem is this: I've never reloaded much less cast a bullet in my life. Help!

Okay, this is what I have:
* some scrap silver (some of it is old silverware!!)
* a guy who is positive that if i supply him with a master bullet he can make an investment mold, melt the metal, and cast it (not sure how precise the measurements would be though)
* a LEE classic loader kit for .357 magnum (http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=702138)

What do I need to buy further and what resources should I look into?

Should I make it hollow point or solid?

Will the silver damage the barrel?

Which gun should I buy to fire it? (i have no .357 gun... it has to be a revolver though to reduce chances of screw ups)

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PromptCritical
March 12, 2007, 05:15 AM
http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/9d2a9aa138b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

Oh, and I recommend a S&W 500... Might as well show those vampires you mean business...

silverlance
March 12, 2007, 05:21 AM
can't afford the gun =(

I was actually hoping somewhat that someone would suggest 7.62 Nagant because I can probably get one for about $100 including ffl hehe

pacodelahoya
March 12, 2007, 06:25 AM
Dude, light beer is for high school girls and yuppies....:D

CajunBass
March 12, 2007, 09:10 AM
Okay, this is what I have:
* a guy who is positive that if i supply him with a master bullet he can make an investment mold, melt the metal, and cast it (not sure how precise the measurements would be though)

Since you're working with a 357, why not just buy a commercial bullet mold for 38/357? Seems a lot easier than making a special mold.

A good 158 gr, SWC should work as well as anything.

sansone
March 12, 2007, 09:20 AM
don't forget to put some garlic powder in with the unique;)

stormspotter
March 12, 2007, 09:25 AM
don't forget to put some garlic powder in with the unique

Naw, fill the hollow point with it.:neener:

Derby FALs
March 12, 2007, 09:34 AM
Silver doesn't hurt vampires. :scrutiny:
I read a story once about a gun writer and his buddy trying to make silver bullits. It was a dismal failure but a hilarious read. It could possibly be done with a lost wax cast, swaging and polishing. I don't think you will have success with a bullit mold.

Alan Fud
March 12, 2007, 10:01 AM
They don't hurt vampires but are effective against werewolves :neener: or so I heard ;)

Also, didn't the Lone Ranger (the Great-Uncle of the Green Hornet -- according to the Comics) use silver bullets?

Rabid Rabbit
March 12, 2007, 10:06 AM
If you search you can find silver bullets. I've read that silver shrinks and does not fillout the cavity like lead does so the best ways to make bullets are either swaging or turning on a lathe. BTW silver is for werewolves, but for vampires you could have the bullets blessed, make a hollow point and make a ballistic tip from a very dense wood, I think the friction of the barrel would cause the rifling to turn the holy water in to holy steam and escape the bullet prior to impact.

Owen
March 12, 2007, 10:25 AM
I would be worried about the engraving force. I believe silver is much harder than copper, and I know it's alot harder than lead.

ball3006
March 12, 2007, 10:31 AM
a Cross on the nose of the bullet.........that should work on vampires.......You could always silverplate your lead bullets. Should work.....silver is silver.....chris3

Sisco
March 12, 2007, 10:35 AM
Or you could get some LaserCast bullets from Oregon Trail
http://www.laser-cast.com/AboutLaserCast.html

Brian Williams
March 12, 2007, 10:44 AM
about $45 for a fine silver bullet from Bullet Forge.
http://www.bulletforge.com/calibers.php

The problem is silver cools too quickly during casting and it shrinks a lot more than lead. so a .358 mold will yield a much smaller silver bullet, more like .352.

byf43
March 12, 2007, 10:47 AM
My first wife had some cartridges in .38 Special that were her deceased father's. (He was a LEO.)

Anyway, these cartridges with silver bullets were his 'parade' cartridges, supposedly.
These cartridges were in a very small presentation case, along with her Dad's badge.

The cartridges looked real. There were six of them. Three were mounted in the case on their sides, three were mounted, on the casehead.

Thylacine
March 12, 2007, 11:09 AM
Here is a post I made across the street:

Has anyone checked this place out?
Bullet Forge | "Custom Silver Bullets Hand Crafted " (http://www.bulletforge.com/)

I sent him an email asking about 7.62 calibers, x25, x39 and 54R. Just because I have always wanted a few silver bullets...... yeah, I am weird.

Anyway this is his reply,...

Good morning.
I do make and sell the 7.62x39, just haven't updated the site in a while.
as for 7.62x25, I don't have any dies or brass to reload that round. I
should be able to make a .308" pistol round however.

7.62x54, again no dies or brass, however if I got some brass I could
probably seat the bullet.

Sadly no live ammo until I get an FFL.

Here is a picture of the 39
http://members.cox.net/thylacine/Graphics/ak47round.jpg
Thanks

Bill

Tommygunn
March 12, 2007, 11:31 AM
Just use Winchester Silvertips. The boogies will never know the difference!!!!:neener: :cool: :D :p :p :p

Mr. Beretta
March 12, 2007, 01:39 PM
This guy does all my reloading for me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98I1i8Toj8E

EricTheBarbarian
March 12, 2007, 01:42 PM
this seems a bit silly making a bullet for vampires. wouldnt it be more practical to be making zombie killer rounds?

silverlance
March 12, 2007, 01:51 PM
Okay, great ideas so far.

1. I've thought about infusing it with garlic a la underworld's ultraviolet rounds. well, I don't know if garlic would survive the casting process. after all silver melts at a VERY high temperature (that's why I cant use regular bullet molds, they would melt the mold!)

2. silver doesnt hurt vamps? doh! ok, I'll groove a nice cross into the tip of each using a dremel too. Not sure how I'm going to be able to fit a piece of wood into that though. maybe i could... i knwo the swedes fired entire bullets made of wood through their rifles. also, when the round obturates i think the wood will just fall out. hm.. okay, they will be dual purpose rounds - blessed and bathed in holy water for vamps, silver for werewolves. i'm defintiely casting hollow points though

3. silver shrinks? hm. ok that will be a problem. that means i'll have to keep making molds until i find one that fits.

4. what powder to use for silver?

5. should i just skip all this cartridge nonsense and go straight out van helsing style with a blackpowder single shot pistol? i think i can get one of those pretty cheap and then i wouldn't have to worry about trying to get a silver bullet to seat in a case.

6. i'm also thinking about making a silver alloy. how about lead and silver? would that work?

imprezagm4
March 12, 2007, 02:02 PM
this seems a bit silly making a bullet for vampires. wouldnt it be more practical to be making zombie killer rounds?

Now, initially I agreed with you. However, I believe a standard HP round is more than sufficient for the lumbering undead. Nothing special is really necessary. Always be prepared.

Essex County
March 12, 2007, 02:16 PM
I, personaly would pay more than the going rate. That goes for most everything else. Essex

azredhawk44
March 12, 2007, 02:30 PM
5. should i just skip all this cartridge nonsense and go straight out van helsing style with a blackpowder single shot pistol? i think i can get one of those pretty cheap and then i wouldn't have to worry about trying to get a silver bullet to seat in a case.


Now there's an idea.

Even better: Get a .45/70 bullet mold... the diameter is supposed to be around .458 IIRC. Something light though, around 200 grains if you can find it. Pour your silver, and the bullet will contract due to the different material tolerances probably to somewhere between .451 and .455.

Now find yourself a Remington Army model .44 caliber cap and ball pistol. It actually shoots .45 caliber balls... I don't know why it's called a .44. Ruger makes one, called the Old Army I think. No need for cartridges, just a cap and some Triple Seven powder, tamp the ball in nice and tight and smear some crisco over the top of the bullet to prevent cook-off of neighboring cylinders when shooting.

And now you have your anti-werewolf gun.

MD_Willington
March 12, 2007, 02:37 PM
a Cross on the nose of the bullet.........that should work on vampires.......

What if it is a Jewish or Hindu Vampire :confused: :neener:

benEzra
March 12, 2007, 02:39 PM
You know, if it weren't so darn rare and expensive, pure gold would be an excellent material for bullets (it is almost as dense as depleted uranium, but much softer, like lead). It is over half again as dense as lead, meaning a 69-grain .223 boattail match bullet would weigh about 115 grains in gold (off the top of my head), with a correspondingly high ballistic coefficient.

Ammo would be a little bit pricey, though...

SaMx
March 12, 2007, 03:41 PM
wow, at bulletforge you can get a hollowpoint with a diamond in it. I wonder if someone will try to get it banned as armor piercing?

230RN
March 12, 2007, 04:06 PM
Since I'm a world-class cheapskate, and since I'm not aware of any specifications for just how much silver is required to do in a vampire, I'd probably just silver-plate regular cupro-nickel jacketed bullets.

There are plenty of plating kits available.

Shades of John Reid's silver mine. (John Reid was The Lone Ranger's real name.)

Well, of course he had to have a horse named Silver. Can you imagine him hollering, "Hi-yo cupro-nickel awayyyy....! "

Or "Hi-yo Lubaloy awayyyy!"

Or "Hi-yo Steel-Jacketed-With-A-Copper-Wash awayyyy!"

Brian Williams
March 12, 2007, 04:17 PM
OBTW Silver tips are aluminum plated

JohnBT
March 12, 2007, 04:47 PM
I've been wondering what to do some stuff I've just taken possession of - a set of Sterling flatware and some $50 American Eagles - and now I know. I'll make crossbow ammo out of it, starting off by making shafts out of one of the pieces of solid American wild cherry furniture. Of course, the American Eagles are all '86 Proof coins, so maybe I'd be better off selling one and buying some beater coins to melt down.

Be Prepared.

John

ARTiger
March 12, 2007, 04:52 PM
hey there . . . you guys shoot all the silver bullets you want. Find 'em and send them to me and I'll pay you $9/oz. then melt them down and sell for a profit.

CajunBass
March 12, 2007, 05:11 PM
I was telling my wife about this thread. She said she's an expert on vampires, having seen every episode of "Buffy" and "Angel" over and over.

Guns do not work on vampires. You have to use a wooden stake, a crossbow (wooden bolts), a sword, holy water, sunlight, something like that.

Silver bullets should be saved for werewolves. :neener:

ilcylic
March 12, 2007, 06:05 PM
Shotguns, man.

A.) You don't have to worry about precise ballistics.

B.) Solid sterling silver beads are available commercially in a variety of diameters.

C.) You could make copper banded oak slugs for Vampires.

CWL
March 12, 2007, 06:19 PM
Silver bullets were actually used.

During early Renaissance period (late 1400s-early 1500s) Silver bullets were commonly carried for use against monsters in Europe.

In Tibet, silver bullets were used in early firearms because it was much cheaper than lead.

Carl N. Brown
March 12, 2007, 06:23 PM
I recall reading an article in one of the 1960s gun magazines
where the staff actually rented Lone Ranger and Tonto
costumes and set out to make silver bullets.

First snag was that a campfire was not hot enough to
melt silver, second snag was that silver bullets cast in
a conventional lead bullet mold were unsatisfactory.
They finally contacted someone who made silver jewelry
for a living who helped them out. In short it aint easy.
Also silver is hard (silver soldering is called hard
solder for a reason) and silver is just not a good bullet
material.

My bet would be to simply lathe turn some silver cores
to use within copper half-jackets to engage the rifling.

roscoe
March 12, 2007, 07:29 PM
Haven't you guys seen "Love at First Bite" where the silver bullets don't hurt George Hamilton? Silver bullets are for werewolves. For vampires you need WOODEN bullets - big ones that will enter the heart. Or hallowpoints full of holy water. Sheesh!

CypherNinja
March 12, 2007, 07:38 PM
Making silver bullets is silly, you only get the big effect on werewolves. Just stick with HP, since everyone knows zombies are more likely anyway.

If you're really worried about Resident Evil or Underworld type craziness, I greatly prefer the versatility of copper jacketed Cesium. :D

Doggy Daddy
March 12, 2007, 07:58 PM
roscoe
Or hallowpoints full of holy water. Sheesh!

"Hallowpoints!" <BFG> I guess that'd do it just by itself! :D

Sir Aardvark
March 13, 2007, 01:12 AM
SHOTGUN SHELLS! - silly.

open the crimp, dump out the shot that's in there, toss in whatever silver chunks you have, push the crimp back down - it's that simple!

Might as well sprinkle in some "Instant Minced Garlic" too.

silverlance
March 13, 2007, 02:49 AM
hey that's a great idea!

the home defense shot gun becomes also vampire and werewolf killer. i will also add a bayonet for zombies.

okay, so my .357 kit is a waste. no bigge, 15 bucks. ill sellit to someone.

is there a classic loader kit for shotshells?

and will the silver pellets (i plan to cast little silver balls) damage the bore?

Wes Janson
March 13, 2007, 03:24 AM
What we need is to find some asteroids out past Mars with a really high gold content, and bring them back here. Smelt 'em down and wildly depress the gold market enough to make it economical to shoot gold bullets. Then again, we could just wait a few more years and prices for copper and lead will probably match that of gold...

Carl N. Brown
March 13, 2007, 05:55 PM
23ORN"I'd probably just silver-plate regular cupro-nickel jacketed bullets."

That is a better idea than making a solid silver bullet.
Silver should plate nicely over copper.
The silver plate should flake off even if the bullet completely
penetrated the werewolf (X rays of actual shootings show a
"blizzard" of metal fragments in the wound channel). Now, how
much silver residue is needed to kill a werewolf? That would
determine how thick and "flaky" the silver plating would need
to be. And it would only have to cover the bullet nose.

For vampires, it would be best to find a stock of WWII surplus
Japanese rifle grenade launcher cartridges (blank rifle cartridges
with wooden bullets).

Zombies: anything will do.

For Martian invaders, recordings of country and western yodelling
works wonders.

Hawk
March 13, 2007, 06:38 PM
I saw where silver bullets don't engage rifling well - believe it was one of the History Channel's "Tales of the Gun". Sort of verified here (http://www.users.interport.net/d/a/davisra/paday/outline/Early%20life-5.htm).

Anyhow, nothing wrong with "00 buck" shot. No worries over the rifling and a short barrel shotgun would be the berries against a leaping werewolf.

Vampires are better dispatched with a compound bow - at least that's what I gather from watching Jessica Biel. Repeatedly.

Alan Fud
March 13, 2007, 10:27 PM
During early Renaissance period (late 1400s-early 1500s) Silver bullets were commonly carried for use against monsters in Europe. I find this interesting. Against what kind of monsters were these Silver Bullets supposedly for? I know vampires, werewolves and ghouls (zombie-like creatures) -- besides those, what else were there?

Alan Fud
March 13, 2007, 10:28 PM
What if it is a Jewish or Hindu Vampire http://www.thehighroad.org/images/smilies/confused.gif http://www.thehighroad.org/images/smilies/fce32f95.gifIf goes by whatever faith the SHOOTER believes in -- NOT the vampire.

Saw this interesting movie a few years ago on one of those cable stations. A vampire crashed in through the window and the girl ran into another room (I think they were in a library or something) and grabbed a cross and held it up. Out of habit, the vampire fell back but then noticed that nothing was happening to him and screamed with laughter that she wasn't a believer and despite her waving the cross at him he ran toward her and grabbed her by the neck. The instant he did that, his hand burst into flames because she was wearing the Star of David around her neck.

Later on, something similar happened. A guy held up a cross and not being a believer, it didn't stop the vampire but when he dropped the cross and his buddy, who was a believer, picked up the cross, the vampire fled.

So, again, it's whatever the person has faith in that works -- at least, according to the folklore. ;)

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