What's the best 7.62x25mm surplus?


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Deer Hunter
March 13, 2007, 10:29 PM
I did a few searches, but didn't come up with much. Right now, the way I see it, there are three types of surplus ammo in 7.62x25mm that are readily availible. Romanian, Yugoslavian, and Bulgarian.

Which is the best? I'm leaning toward Yugoslavian, but it's the priciest of the three.

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NC-Mike
March 14, 2007, 10:21 AM
I was hoping for some replies. I just bought 2 CZ-52's and a case of the Romanian from AIM and haven't shot them yet. I'm probably going to get to shot them this weekend. I also bought 500 rounds of Prvi Partizan for comparison.

I almost bought the Bulgarian till I saw those "Bad Bulgarian" articles on the net. It may be BS as Century and a lot of other houses still carry it.

tinygnat219
March 14, 2007, 10:29 AM
The Romanian surplus is the best stuff I have fired out of my CZ-52. Stay away from the Yugo stuff, as it's got hard primers and will often require a 2nd strike to fire.

Mike_In_BC
March 14, 2007, 12:14 PM
This may or may not help here in Canada I've been getting "Norinco" non-corrossive tok ammo. This is very good stuff, chrono's at 1500 (+-50) soft primers. I also see czech military surplus, packed in 8 round strippers, I have yet to fire any as I still have lots of ammo, but it is supposed to be good, just not as good as the norinco.

Deer Hunter
March 14, 2007, 05:38 PM
If I could get Norinco, I'd go for it. But that stuff's been banned for a few years now.

Romanian seems to be the best, then? Alright, I'll do a little more research. I hadn't known that Prvi Partisan made 7.62x25mm until this thread.

ZeSpectre
March 14, 2007, 05:50 PM
I was hoping for some replies. I just bought 2 CZ-52's and a case of the Romanian from AIM and haven't shot them yet.

NC-Mike,
I'm with TinyGnat. I've shot some mystery ammo, some WWB "Metric" and some of the AIM Romanian. I prefer the AIM Romanian by a long shot. However it is corrosive so don't put off cleaning the pistol afterwards.

NC-Mike
March 14, 2007, 06:36 PM
Thanks, I'm glad I bought that Romain from AIM, now I can buy another...


BTW, AIM carries the Prvi Partizan in 7.62 x 25

jonnyc
March 14, 2007, 07:53 PM
Mike In BC, I'm not sure if we went over this before, but what's the headstamp of the Norinco Tokarev you're getting up there?

Mike_In_BC
March 14, 2007, 08:33 PM
I think its "947" on top and "94" under.

It must seem like us Canadians buy lots of norinco stuff, but firearms and ammunition seem to be very expensive here and norinco is cost effective.

cold dead hands
March 15, 2007, 01:55 AM
I was talking to our local dealer who can provide guns with ''da switch'' about the tokarev rounds as surplus and he informed that the hard primered round were designed for the sub machine guns that chamber that round because regular soft pistol primers ignite too easily and you will empty your mags wether you want to or not. Not to mention that if you use them with a CZ-52 with the standard iron firing pin too often you will wind up breaking your pin.

Onmilo
March 15, 2007, 10:18 AM
Of the recently available ammo, I have had very good luck with the Romanian 7.62X25.
I like the Chinese stuff too and tend to agree that the Yugoslavian ammo isn't all that great.
Chinese is still around in the States if you look hard enough.
No experience with the Bulgarian, nobody actually has it in stock when I have tried to buy some.
Stay away from Czech ammunition all of it I have experience with is way too hot for Tokarev pistols.
It will probably function fine in the roller locked CZ-52 pistols and will work fine in sub-guns and semi-auto clones of submachineguns but I personally don't trust the Czech stuff.

karlsgunbunker
March 15, 2007, 05:44 PM
The Romanian from AIM is great stuff.
Shoots well in both my Tok and CZ-52.

Dain Bramage
March 16, 2007, 03:06 PM
I've liked the Yugo. It's accurate and reliable in my Tok. However, I will confirm the hard primers, as it will not fire reliably in my CZ-52 on the first strike.

I've stuck with the S&B for fodder. It fires reliably in both guns, but the Tok hates it for accuracy.

I think I'll try some of the Romanian next time.

Onmilo
March 17, 2007, 04:42 PM
I bought a Romanian Tokarev from SOG and then bought some Romanian ammunition to go along with it.

My buddy and I ended up laughing ourselves stupid because that combination was outshooting our tricky and expensive 9mm handguns on informal speed drills with claybirds as the targets.
Every time we drew and fired the Tokarev a claybird would disappear in a puff of dust.
Can't say the same thing was happening with our 9s.

000Buck
March 25, 2007, 08:01 PM
I bought a ton of the Romanian stuff from Aim and I have to do second primer strikes on about 1 in 5 rounds through my CZ52. I dont have the problem with my Tok. Does anyone know if there is a more powerful hammer spring or something I might need? :uhoh:

tinygnat219
March 25, 2007, 09:11 PM
Check out this site for some accessories:
http://www.makarov.com/cart/52parts.htm

You might need a stronger spring, or a new firing pin. The original ones on the CZ-52s can be a little brittle. My advice, get one of the new machined firing fins that should drop right in.

RecoilRob
March 25, 2007, 10:56 PM
You might check to make sure the firing pin safety is releasing the pin fully. My CZ-52 would misfire with surplus but shoot handloads just fine.

Found that the pin wasn't protruding far enough to set off the hard surplus primers. Ground a tad off the surface where the safety holds it and now the thing runs 100%. Give it a look.

Roccobro
April 8, 2007, 03:40 AM
Anybody tried the Polish Centerfire Systems has right now?

Justin

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