Need a titegroup load for 9mm 115gr FMJ


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agony
June 9, 2003, 06:50 PM
Since I didn't like the results with Titegroup and .45acp (gonna stick with Clays), I need to burn up the remaining powder.

I have a bunch of 9mm Hornady 115gr TMJ bullets....what would be a good charge weight of Titegroup....is 4.5gr too low? I want a good clean burn, but don't want to risk maxing out on my pressures. Unfortunately none of the loadbooks I have show any recipes for this combo.

Thanks!

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Fed168
June 9, 2003, 08:29 PM
I shoot light loads with 115 grainers. I load them at 3.8 and 4.0 grains - enough to cycle the gun and that is about it. 4.2 has a little more recoil, but not enough to ruin your day. I have found these loads to burn cleanly.

Zak Smith
June 9, 2003, 09:26 PM
The only data I have for TG in 9mm is with West Coast plated bullets (copper plated lead).

I originally tried 4.5gr TG with the 115gr PRN at about 1.135". This averaged about 1120fps out of a CZ-75B, but seemed to have a disproportionately large amount of muzzle blast.

Then I tried 4.2gr TG with the 124gr PRN. It clocked in around 1060fps, "felt" good, and shot very accurately (subjectively). I have since dropped this load to 4.0gr (no chrono data) and it's just as good. Still should make "minor."

Sorry for not having any appropriate data for the 115gr TMJ. If it were me, I'd probably try a couple at 4.0gr and if they felt good, load the rest there.

-z

wingman
June 10, 2003, 09:48 AM
I know this doesnt answer your question
however I use titegroup on 45acp and
west coast 200gr swc with super accurate results, on the other hand not
much luck using it in 9mm, find that
aa5 does better for me in 9mm.

GooseGestapo
June 10, 2003, 02:09 PM
I recently did a workup on Titegroup in the 9mm.
For 124gr use 4.0 for approx 1120 fps.
115gr use 4.4 for approx 1190 fps.

The max listed load of 4.8 gave 1,320 fps from my 5" bbl S&W PPC-9. The pressures correlate to other pressure equivalent loads. I concur that 4.8 is max for non-+P applications.

Accuracy was equivalent to WSF if charges were weighed. However, for some reason I have not determined, the charges thrown from progressive press varied and the velocities accordingly. Titegroup is very dense, an equivalent volumn of Bullseye or other powders weighs somewhat less. This may play a factor in accuracy. Another powder that behaves like this is Accurate #2.

Hope this helps.

agony
June 10, 2003, 07:26 PM
thanks for the great responses as usual guys!

Goose,
That's strange to hear about the accuracy results with the progressive....mind if I ask which machine you were using? In my limited experience with this powder, it meters pretty smoothly (like Bullseye) in my 550B. I'll give 'em a try and see what happens.

:)

agony
June 22, 2003, 01:59 AM
Just an update....
I loaded some 115gr FMJ using 4.2gr of TiteGroup, OAL=1.120" WSP primers.

Out of a stamped-slide P226.

Sorry, no chrony.

Very controlable double taps. Very accurate....equal to my pet Bullseye load. Brass ejected neatly, no FTF/FTE.

Clean up afterwards was easy....not even as sooty as Bullseye, and the bbl swabbed out squeeky clean without any of the dreaded caked-on carbon fouling so common in my Bullseye load.

:)

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