Taurus MODEL 44 TEN .45/.410


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45/70
March 15, 2007, 01:26 AM
http://www.taurususa.com/images/imagesMain/4410TKR-2B.jpg

Anyone seen these, shot one, own one? I'm told they're hard to find but the local shop has one in stock -- and it's way under MSRP.

I'm mostly curious. Seems like an interesting approach to a defense gun. Basically a small shotgun in a double action handgun format.

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ArchAngelCD
March 15, 2007, 02:02 AM
45/70,
Go to this link and click on "The Judge"
http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-videos.cfm

Doggy Daddy
March 15, 2007, 02:43 AM
The wife bought one. We've only fired the .45 Colts through it so far. I fired only 5 rounds, just to see how the recoil was - I was a bit worried because my wife has a carpal tunnel problem. She was shooting it one-handed, and having no problem. Probably her best shot groups of any of her guns so far.

It's fun to shoot, seems pretty accurate, and my wife really likes it. That's all that counts around here. (more or less) :D

swbinak
March 15, 2007, 02:49 AM
One of the local gun shops in Anchorage has 3 on the shelf, all 3 seem to stainless steel with different barrel lengths - if memory serves well something on the order of 2", 4" & 5" or maybe 6". The clerk said they sold a couple but have yet to hear anything back about it.

ArchAngelCD
March 15, 2007, 03:02 AM
There are only 4 variations of the Judge, a 3" and 6.5" in Blue, a 3" and 6.5" in Stainless.

swbinak
March 15, 2007, 03:22 AM
My bad on the barrel lengths, although the shop did have 3 of them & all were stainless - interesting firearm none the less, kinda big & reminiscent of the Cobra Thunderer (spelling?), at least I think that is what is was called.

iowain45-70
March 15, 2007, 03:57 AM
GOT one fired both the 45lc,and the 410 just love it.work up a buckshot load with my bub leo useing 444 brass case's.GOT the 6inch they are hard to get .

Stainz
March 15, 2007, 06:29 AM
The novelty of the 2.5" .410 chamber will wear off later this year when the 4510 version, with 3" chambers' is released. I really don't know what good the .410 will be in a defensive gun - the .45 Colt would be better served from a S&W 625MG. They run $450-$550 used - $640+ new around here. The 4410 models run $390 blued & $410 SS at the local pusher. Gotta admit, although I have two 625MG's, I have considered the 4410... may wait for the longer chambers.

Stainz

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 16, 2007, 08:00 PM
There are only 4 variations of the Judge, a 3" and 6.5" in Blue, a 3" and 6.5" in Stainless.

While there may only be 4 variations marked "The Judge", there are definately more than 4 variations of the Taurus 4410. Just today a saw a 3" blue, 4" in both blue and stainless, and 6.5 in blue and stainless.

Vern Humphrey
March 16, 2007, 08:22 PM
I really don't know what good the .410 will be in a defensive gun - the .45 Colt would be better served

I agree -- you can handload the .45 Colt to impressive levels of performance if you want a shot cartridge.

suemarkp
March 17, 2007, 12:51 AM
But the 45 Colt brass just doesn't have the volume to hold a decent amount of shot (compared to a 410 shot shell). The plastic shot cups are OK, but still not enough. I was going to play with reforming 460 S&W brass with the 45 ACP Shot Shell die to form a brass version of the shot cup. This would have a much larger inside diameter than the plastic shot cups and be half an inch longer than a plain old 45 Colt case..

With the 44TEN, you can easily use 444 Marlin brass and get well over half an ounce of shot (over 220 grains). Taurus doesn't recommend their 45 Colt guns be loaded hotter than a 250gr payload at 900 fps, so you have to watch the payload velocity tradeoff. Lack of load data is a little scary too. I've got my 444 Marlin loads made up with Blue Dot, but I had to guess at how much powder to use (45 ACP load, 45 Colt load). It is difficult because the shot cup is seated so deeply, the pressures can rise much more than what the same power volume would generate in 45 Colt brass with a bullet. But the friction of the shot should be way less than jacketed bullet friction. If I blow up my gun, then I'll know it was too hot...

Nightcrawler
March 17, 2007, 12:55 AM
I don't know why, but I want The Judge. I'm going to wait for the 3" chamber, 3" barrel version. I'm going to load with with three 3" .410 Buckshot rounds and two 200 grain .45 Colt slugs for Apartment Defense (where the ranges are little more than contact distance and the walls are thin, and if I have to shoot after being startled awake it'll be dark and I won't have my glasses on).

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 17, 2007, 01:12 AM
I wonder if the 3" chamber version is going to have worse accuracy issues on the .45 colt end with the jump being longer to the rifling.

RCouch
March 17, 2007, 01:27 AM
Have the 2.5" .410 model in 4". I got it as a utility gun for snakes and other critters when I had more land than I have now. It's a novelty and useful but no substitute for a S&W or BHP because it is a little awkward to hold(for me anyway). Got mine for $399 at a gun show.

ArchAngelCD
March 17, 2007, 03:36 AM
There is no difference between the 4410 and The Judge, they are the same revolver. I didn't know Taurus made a 4" barrel 4410 because they don't even have it on their web site, they only have the 3" and 6.5" Models. http://www.taurususa.com/products/gunselector-results.cfm?series=41

A 4" barrel version would be very nice to carry around the woods as a snake gun... Too bad it doesn't hold 6 rounds. It would be a great all around woods gun loaded with 2 rounds of .410 and 4 rounds of .45 Colt. NO???

Jorg Nysgerrig
March 17, 2007, 05:29 AM
The first models of the 4410 that did not have "The Judge" written on them. Those are the only ones I have seen in person with a 4" barrel, thus the reason I differentiated between two. However, one of the ads says that they have a 4" barrel version stamped with "The Judge." While they may in fact be the same pistol, the marketing has changed.


These ads have pictures of the 4" barrel.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifieds/none/_976838821.aspx
http://www.gunsamerica.com/classifieds/none/_976806653.aspx

Nightcrawler
March 17, 2007, 07:02 AM
I wonder, though. What's the velocity of .410 buckshot from a 3" barrel? Will it penetrate deeply enough to create anything more than a superficial wound?

Ala Dan
March 17, 2007, 07:29 AM
I also have sold a couple of the 4410 Tauri guns, but haven't heard back
from the customer's? We just recently had a 3" stainless 4410 in stock
that another salesman sold just last week. I think I would rather have
the Smith model 625M; but the jury is still out~! :uhoh: ;)

fiVe
April 13, 2007, 03:19 PM
I don't know why, but I want The Judge.

Same here, NC. There is something most intriguing about it.

mnrivrat
April 13, 2007, 10:44 PM
I handled one the other day and was surprised at how well it pointed and at the frame size being as small as it was. What I pre-conceived as clunky was far from it.

A nitch gun for sure , but I think I convinced myself it would be a great gun for those who hike and camp. I see no need for a 3 inch chamber myself . Bigger is not always better , but to each their own.

jup369
October 30, 2008, 06:58 AM
Humm I didnt see the 4 inch on the Taurus site but I have one. I like it! Its a great shooter. I liked the 4 inch better than the others. The one I have was the only 4 inch the store had.
So they are real though not on the web site.

Dave/hoff
October 30, 2008, 08:08 AM
current issue (Dec 2008) of Shooting Times contains a review of the Taurus Judge. Interesting.

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