[Boats]

Look at the following exploded views. Which one would you most appreciate having the ability to care for without the factory or a gunsmith on retainer?

Many 1911 critics say old slabsides was fine in its day! I look at this trio of prentenders and see little added but mechanical complexity and/or take it or leave it materials "innovations" such as plastic and alloy, both of which can be had in spades in a 1911 if desired.

The SIG 220:
http://www.urban-armory.com/diagrams/sig_220.gif

The HK USP:
http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/manuals/parts-hk_usp45acp.gif

The Glock:
http://glockmeister.com/images/intparts.gif

The Colt Commander
http://www.urban-armory.com/diagrams/coltcommander.gif

[Tamara]

Oh, boy! Another "my favorite gun is bestest" thread; we haven't had one of those for minutes!



;) :D


(PS: The P-220, with its lone, red, x-shaped component, obviously has the simplest construction. ;) Edit: Never mind, the piccie's up now. :uhoh: )

[Handy]

Uh, you realize that the Glock exploded view is of a blank firing replica, right?


The Glock is easier to deal with than the 1911. Fewer parts, simpler, trouble free parts replacement.

The Sig 220 is more of a pain, because it uses roll pins. But it rarely needs parts replaced, and has fewer parts than the 1911.

[Boats]

Without recycling, we'd have been done over at TFL a long time ago.:D

But I do love diagrams of all of these delicate little tactical springs in the triggers and other parts on the non-1911s.:evil:

[Boats]

I thought it looked odd, I will supplant it with something else. I like the Glock detail strip but I don't find it "easier" just different.

[Authentic Glock diagram in place now]

[9x19]

The Glock detail strip may not be easier, but parts replacement IS.

The 1911 is a good design, as is the Glock.

With years of experience shooting/cleaning/maintaining both... I do prefer the Glock.

[Blueduck]

Hmmm... wonder how many more parts JMB would have had to put it to make the design work:scrutiny:


Kidding!!:neener: or am I :evil:

PS The sig counts it's 2 grip screws on each panel as 2 parts and the 1911 tries to cheat by claiming it's two are only one. I think that should really be the deciding point of the whole debate.

[B27]

Well thank you all very much to hell and back!
I've been carrying and shooting SIG's for fifteen years and not one of you bothered to tell me I needed a factory or gunsmith on retainer!
Guess it was just blind luck that I survived all that time.
Of course I have had to send a couple guns back to the factory.
But they were both 1911's. :D

http://www.fototime.com/4A223CA2C92994E/standard.jpg

And I'm crazy about my 1911's.
But I'll carry a SIG, thankyou.:D

[jmbg29]

Evolutionary dead ends? I was going to say blissninnies and rap "artists".

[Mike Irwin]

I'd rather have this one.

http://www.urban-armory.com/diagrams/sw19.htm


CRAP!

Can't figure out why it's not showing up.

Well, anyways, it's a Smith & Wesson Model 19 .357 Mag. revolver.

[BigG]

Mag Catch - based on 1911? I think the mag catch is based on the Borchardt which spawned the Luger. But I could be wrong...

[Silent Bob]

YYYYYYAAAAAAWWWWWWNNNNN.

[Andrew Wyatt]

1911.


IT'S THE ONLY ONE LISTED THAT FITS MY HAND AND HAS A DECENT TRIGGER.

Replacement parts and magazines for it can be had damn near anywhere, and I know how it works, and I can detail strip it with naught but a mere screwdriver.


It's also thinner than the others listed, and has a better trigger than the others listed.

[Sean Smith]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Shake]

The GLOCK. . .

Maybe a better question is "Which particular model have you needed a gunsmith for?"

Any odds on the answers?

Shake

[New_comer]

Which one would you most appreciate having the ability to care for without the factory or a gunsmith on retainer?My list:
1. HK USP
2. SIG220
3. Glock
4. Colt

The top three are interchangeable... :p :neener: :D

[TheMariner]

nah man.... P99... five parts!
reciever
main spring
slide
barrel
striker assembly....

when one fails, just replace it..

joke there... honestly, the P99, for field cleaning, is the easiest I know... just pull the take down slide down and pull the slide off... clean exposed surfaces, then preform take down in reverse...

[MK11]

I've got a Sig P220 that's pushing 20 years old and runs like a top.

I've got a four-year-old Kimber Pro Carry that requires a recoil spring change every 800 rounds and needed the slide stop filed down before it would stop gagging on loaded mags.

I LOVE my 1911s. But I trust my Sigs.