Why buy a BLOCK when you can join the KAHR club?!


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jlh26oo
March 17, 2007, 03:47 AM
Welcome to the Kahr club. Let's talk about kahrs.

I apologize to all fellow GLOCKmeisters for posting the original title:

"Why buy a BLOCK when you can join the Kahr club?!" It was just a play on Kahr's slogan. But it is not as familiar as I originally thought. I like GLOCK even more than Kahr. Please don't take away my Kool-Aid (lol :uhoh: )!

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txgolfer45
March 17, 2007, 07:29 AM
I love my Kahr PM9. Great little CCW. It's my go to CCW for summer months. Much easier to conceal than my Glocks and can go in the pocket too.

Scott

Mad Magyar
March 17, 2007, 08:06 AM
The most over-hyped, overly-advertised, plain-as-vanilla pistols ever perpetrated on the American public.
Great marketing strategy, the miniaturized, snag-free features to excite the CCW populace.
Unfortunately, these pistols are starting to show the down-size effects in terms of the "law of diminishing" returns...
They are not a 100% reliable by any stretch. I predict they will go down in history with the same breath as Lorcin, Bryco, Jennings, et al...;)

Ric in Richmond
March 17, 2007, 08:07 AM
PM40.

Love hate relationship.

The hate:

It is a finicky eater...Feeds Ball ammo easy, or corbon power ball. Doesn't really like HP.

The love:

Disappears on you....just forget you are even wearing it.

Fun to shoot....lets you know you have shot something....BOOM!!!

Accurate for such a short sight radius, nice trigger pull.

txgolfer45
March 17, 2007, 08:15 AM
Mad M,

While some have had problems with their PM40 or PM9, I haven't had any issues with my PM9. It goes bang every time. It's definitely a carry gun not a range gun. So, it won't get the rounds shot through it like a range gun.

Is it the best 9mm out there? For CCW, it is definitely at or near the top of the list. For range fun, it is way down at the bottom.

Scott

JDGray
March 17, 2007, 09:08 AM
You said Block:D Not the thinnist ccw, but in my opinion, the best! My wife has a car:D

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b278/JDG357/guns041.jpg

Vonderek
March 17, 2007, 09:31 AM
MM,
You're comparing Kahr to cheap zinc potmetal $80 guns?? I assume you're being sarcastic or had a really bad experience with a Kahr.

I have an MK9 bought 7 or 8 years ago which is utterly reliable and IMO incredibly designed. Smaller in the pocket than anything else I own in a serious caliber and eats CorBon 115 gr +P JHPs all day long. And the little thing is as accurate at combat distances as my High Powers, CZ, and USP. My only recommendation is use the 7-rd mag or add Pierce mag bottoms to the 6-rounders. Otherwise the pinky is left dangling and the pistol is harder to control.

RPBrown
March 17, 2007, 09:40 AM
Worst gun I've ever owned. Will not own another as I wouldn't trust my life on it. It's so unreliable I wouldn't even trade or sell it as I wuldn't want someone else to trust their life on it either. Several trips to factory, they wouldn't replace it and apparantly couldn't fix it.

DHart
March 17, 2007, 03:49 PM
When I want to pack and must have the smallest, lightest gun with decent potency, I pack my PM-9 which virtually disappears... stone reliable gun for me. I love it. Don't shoot it much. Nothing in it's league. Currently, I pack my new S&W M&P 40 Compact most of the time - incredible gun.

TBeck
March 17, 2007, 03:54 PM
My CW9 is a great little pistol.

AF_INT1N0
March 17, 2007, 04:13 PM
I have a Kahr K-40.

Love it... 100% reliable with FMJ and Speer Gold Dot 147 gr,

easy to carry, easy to conceal. I can literally forget I'm wearing it (which can be bad considering where I live)

Mr. S
March 17, 2007, 04:32 PM
I love my P9!

For me it is the perfect ccw.Light small and very accurate.
I am a Sig guy at heart but once I got the Kahr P9 my Sig 239 (and XD sub compact for that matter) became obsolete.
I know people have had problems with their Kahrs but mine has been 100% since the day I bought it.

Pramunitus
March 17, 2007, 04:58 PM
Has anyone ever heard a complaint about an all-steel Kahr? I know I haven't. I bought a used K9, and it's been a flawless shooter. If I weren't addicted to my wheelies, it would be my EDC.

possum
March 17, 2007, 11:13 PM
i have a k-40 and i absolutly love it, the trigger is nice and smooth, it shoots great for a little gun, conceals great, and i love the sights. mine has the ruber houge grips which are great, and makes it a great fitting gun in my hands, it is well balanced and i love the steel framed models which is why i have one. i also have experience with the p40 which i liked but i prefer the steel framed models, and about the swetest one i have ever shot is my dad's k9 elite.

flashman70
March 17, 2007, 11:16 PM
Love my P9. Big enough to enjoy shooting, great concealment gun. Has always been 100% for me. I didn't care for the PM9.

kevin387
March 17, 2007, 11:19 PM
I also have a Kahr K40. No problems at all. Not in 10+ years.

GlenJ
March 17, 2007, 11:23 PM
Can you put a 33 round mag in a Kahr? Nope, but you can in a GLOCK 26.

RyanM
March 17, 2007, 11:38 PM
What's wrong with owning both?

http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=54199&d=1172823568

jlh26oo
March 18, 2007, 12:04 AM
What's wrong with owning both?
+1
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/jlh2600/Picture003.jpg



But remember, this is the kahr club.


:evil:

tinygnat219
March 18, 2007, 12:15 AM
I have been unimpressed with these guns. Too expensive to justify owning.

PhillyGlocker
March 18, 2007, 12:28 AM
A Kahr to compared to my G26, G33, and G19? I'll say this - At least the Kahrs are good looking. However, my 3 G's are the ultimate workhorses. :neener:

Nomad, 2nd
March 18, 2007, 12:35 AM
Every Thread like this gets shut down and called a 'Hate thread'

...That should give you some idea.

Kahr is a POS, and their 'SO CALLED' "Customer Service" is nonexistant.

3rdpig
March 18, 2007, 12:38 AM
Whenever someone, in an attempt to bolster a product they like, has to first insult or make up derogatory comments about another product, my first thought is "what are they hiding with their hyperbole?".

In this case the answer is mediocre performance, poor customer service and a product that's over priced by a considerable margin.

MachIVshooter
March 18, 2007, 03:14 AM
The Kahr is certainly not a junk gun, but does not perform any better than the competing Kel-Tec and Taurus pistols that sell for less than half as much.

Common Tater
March 18, 2007, 06:50 AM
After two trips back to the factory, my P45 is totally reliable and stunningly accurate. Customer Service did allright by me.

Master Blaster
March 18, 2007, 01:39 PM
Because even though Block has sold way more G26's than Kahr has sold of all their pistols I seldom ever see a used G26 sitting in a gunshop used case, but two local shops always seem to have used Kahrs for 400-450 in stock.

I also seldom ever read about a G26 that is unreliable, lots of threads on Kahrs going back to the factory to make them work.

JMHO YMMV

Excalibur
March 18, 2007, 06:05 PM
tinygnat219
Senior Member



Join Date: 11-03-06
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 382 This should be a Moonie club. Kahr has connections to the Reverend Sun Yung Moon since it is owned by his son.

And your point is????

G95
March 18, 2007, 06:19 PM
because the "Block's" actually work

CleverNickname
March 18, 2007, 07:59 PM
I liked my Kahr PM9 so much I bought a second one, but the minute Glock comes out with a single-stack 9mm sub-sub-compact I'll replace the Kahrs with the Glocks.

Golddog
March 18, 2007, 09:15 PM
Can we read something specific about the trigger pulls of each, from people who have shot both?

PX15
March 18, 2007, 09:28 PM
CleverNickname:

Check out the new Walther PPS....

Single stack 9mm, just shown at the European Shot Show earlier this month.

It's an ugly little sucker, looks like a Walther P99c somehow broke into the Glock 26 kennel and this is the result..

I don't think if offers enough "difference" for me to give up my favorite Walther P99c/AS, but it's always nice to see new pistols produced, and I love Walthers.


It's a slim 9, and might be worth taking a look at..

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy

Nomad, 2nd
March 18, 2007, 10:40 PM
Golddog:
I have owned a Kahr PM9, and have owned various full sized and compact Glocks.

The PM9 is like a REALLY long and bad revolver trigger.

The Glock has that agervating so called 'safety' and a quicker/shorter reset.

Of the 2 I'd take the Glock even without my 'history' with kahr.

-Please keep in mind I carry a 1911 and most of my semi automatics are single action or single action capable (CZ 75B...)

autospike
March 18, 2007, 11:10 PM
PX15...

My Google Foo has failed me. Do you have a link to this new Walther?

Re: Kahr - I have a PM9 and several Glocks.
I love how the PM9 carries. I have about 600 rounds through it and I still have some problems.

It seems that it is extremely sensitive to getting dirty and one of the factory mags continually causes malfunctions. My Glocks just keep going bang.

For me, the triggers are no contest - I'd rather have the Glock trigger.

jlh26oo
March 19, 2007, 12:22 AM
Can we read something specific about the trigger pulls of each, from people who have shot both?

Have examples of both GLOCK factory triggers, and only the elite trigger from kahr.

Weights are similar, but Kahr trigger is smoother, with a much more crisp break, but longer. Much longer in reset as well, which is why I ultimately prefer the GLOCK trigger. But many don't care about reset lenght at all, so ymmv. Kahr is often compared to a revolver trigger, but I don't get that analogy compared to the revolvers I've had.

Kahr: long, smooth, crisp, long reset
GLOCK: shorter, "skids" at the break (or mushy some call it), very short reset

TC-TX
March 19, 2007, 01:36 AM
P9, P40, PM40, T9 - all wonderfully reliable and preferred CCW weapons (P40, PM40)...

Awesome butter-smooooooooooth trigger, light weight, thin design...

What's not to like?

Hard to improve on perfection!:)

busy_squirrel
March 19, 2007, 01:42 AM
I have a G27, though I'll probably trade it for a PM40. I want the shorter slide.

dhoomonyou
March 19, 2007, 06:35 AM
cause a block will always work.

jlh26oo
March 19, 2007, 08:12 AM
:evil:

I am guessing you couldn't resist the lure of the "Kahr Club" moreso out of a knee-jerk response toward my (marginally) clever play on Kahr's "Why/BLOCK" slogan in the title more than anything else (I would hope no one is otherwise that insecure :uhoh: )?

This is just so weird, because I've never actually been at the business end of a frothing glockophile. Now I can TOTALLY feel 1911 guys' pain; for they cope with our collective GLOCKitude on a daily basis. And for that I sincerely apologize on behalf of all glockers, will keep it in mind, and temper my arguments accordingly in the future. This is like looking in the mirror of truth, Neverending Story style.

Please note, I have a couple of BLOCKS myself, and would be just as big a ****** if I didn't admit they outperform my kahr in every respect save concealability. GLOCKS are by far my faves, and the only brand I've kept two of):

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h180/jlh2600/Picture008.jpg


So I officially retract the funny title, and for the record:

GLOCK>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kahr

loplop
March 19, 2007, 08:21 AM
+1 to the poster above who thinks Glock should make a single stack 9mm. I can't believe they HAVEN'T yet. I have shot and liked a Glock 26, but it's just not svelte enough for pocket carry. I have 2 SIGs for IWB.

After purchasing a S&W 442, I have really gotten "into" pocket carry in certain situations. There are times when I wish the 442 was a tad thinner, though, and for those times I bought a Kahr PM9.

It seems Kahr's are so variable in their quality. Some folks have no troubles, others have nothing but trouble. It makes me really appreciate my SIGs, which are boring in comparison. They just go bang.

I got lucky with my PM9. I bought it used, from a dealer I trust. The guy who traded it in is a very good customer, and just wasn't carrying it. I don't know what (or if anything) he did to the PM9, but it runs like a top. It does like cleanliness, and it's not a pistol you'll shoot 500 rounds through a day. That's what my SIGs are for.

Re: Trigger. Personally, I *much* prefer this Kahr's trigger to any Glock I've ever shot. Glock triggers are fine, I'm sure, once you get used to them... But I'll take this long smooth pull over the short "ratchety" (to me) feeling Glock pull. In the store, I wasn't really thrilled with the Kahr trigger... But on the range I like it alot. It is very conducive to accurate shooting, in my hands at least. Yeah, I'm quicker with my 1911's or my SIG in SA. But not much, and I really like the way this one breaks. I tend to like shorter rather than longer triggers, but I'd take smooth as a baby's bottom over gritty anyday. I do like DA revolvers, though, so YMMV.

For what it is, though, a slim, light, pocketable 9mm... It's in a class of its own at the moment. I hope other manufacturers take up the challenge, I'd like to see Kahr's prices come down, as I believe them to be overpriced. My $739 SIG P239 is a much nicer pistol than this $749 PM9. Unfortunately SIG doesn't make one this small. So I own the Kahr.

Vonderek
March 19, 2007, 08:23 AM
Lots of comparisons here between the PM9 and Glock 26. For me, I'll buy a subcompact only if it fits in the pocket. The Kahr does and the Glock doesn't unless you're wearing clown pants. For a belt-carried gun, I'd probably go with a G19.

romma
March 19, 2007, 10:46 AM
I realized this weekend that my PM9 was feeling a little neglected because I have been carrying the Keltec and Walther way more lately... So I loaded a magazine, popped it in,chambered a round, topped of the mag, I am on day 3 of carrying the Kahr. I love how she shoots, I love her accuracy too. :)

strambo
March 19, 2007, 11:06 AM
I think the PM series is flirting with the edge of diminishing returns being a far enough departure from the 1st design (smaller + polymer) to have more reliability problems...like ultra small 1911's. My K9 is absolutely flawless and a great CCW. Sure it weighs 25 oz (which isn't that much), but it is still only .9" wide.

Justin Moon is an excellent and innovative firearms designer...in the greatest American tradition, I could care less which church he privately gives money too. What religion is Gaston Glock?:rolleyes: Maybe he is a closet Druid...that would be cool.:uhoh:

The trigger pull is around 6-7lbs and really smooth, like a tuned revolver trigger. The downside is it has a very long reset. I like it better than a Glock trigger from press to BANG!, then the Glock trigger smokes it to reset.

JShirley
March 19, 2007, 12:11 PM
The Glock 36 is single-stack.

Let me mention- since some seem to have forgotten the Forum Rules at upper right of the screen- that I will joyfully ban members who have nothing better to do than speak badly of legal religions. If you alienate allies, you don't get to be my friend.

COME ON, guys- why the bloody blue blazes would we not want others who share our firearm convictions on our side politically? Why the hell would any thinking gun owner shoot themself in the metaphorical foot that way?

gcerbone
March 19, 2007, 02:29 PM
I've got three Kahrs (P9, K40, MK9). None have ever given me a problem. I love them all.

Glock....Love that one too. But it is night and day in terms of concealabilty.

DirksterG30
March 19, 2007, 03:53 PM
The most over-hyped, overly-advertised, plain-as-vanilla pistols ever perpetrated on the American public.
Great marketing strategy, the miniaturized, snag-free features to excite the CCW populace.
Unfortunately, these pistols are starting to show the down-size effects in terms of the "law of diminishing" returns...
They are not a 100% reliable by any stretch. I predict they will go down in history with the same breath as Lorcin, Bryco, Jennings, et al...

Tell us how you really feel!:D

I love my MK9 - it has been very reliable since break-in, and I carry it often. The Kahr fits an important niche in the firearm continuum for me - slightly larger than my Keltec, so it's easy to conceal, but chambered in a more powerful cartridge. It's much easier for me to conceal than a Glock, with a better trigger in my opinion. Easy to shoot, compact, great trigger - Lorcin etc. are not even in the same ballpark as Kahr.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y217/dirksterg30/CCW/MK9withC-TACandJSHolsterspocketm-1.jpg

Guns_and_Labs
March 19, 2007, 04:37 PM
My P9 has been reliable over many practice sessions and several years of CCW, at least after the break-in period. The trigger is as smooth as Glocks I have had and still have, but a little heavier, with a longer reset and a little less sharp break. Definitely not a target pistol; it's sometimes a challenge to keep them all in the nine and ten rings (nothing magic, just my personal standard).

For me, if it weren't for the small form factor and weight -- it's much easier for me to conceal -- I'd stick with the G29 or a 1911 all the time. More firepower, better ergos, more accurate.

So, the Kahr is an acceptable deep concealment option.

GVMan
May 1, 2007, 02:58 PM
Please delete

38snapcaps
May 1, 2007, 05:07 PM
A year ago April I came upon a CW9. I had seen advertisements for them but never a real one. As soon as I picked it up I noticed how "just right" it felt in my hand, the grip, the balance, and the trigger. I closed my eyes, stretched out my arms, and opened them again to find a perfect sight picture! I bought it as a now and then CCW substitute for my S&W snubnose. It turned out to be my favorite of what I currently own, and probably the best 9mm I've ever owned (past-Walther, Ruger, S&W, CZ, and Glock). All this for only $400 OTD. Two more mags at half price from Ebay and I was set.

During the year 2006 I fired the Kahr over 1,700 times, three times more than any of my other guns. In fact, I enjoyed it so much the Glock G19 I owned for two years got sold-Bye to spongy trigger, fat grip, strange grip angle that made me bend my wrist down all the time, and less accuracy.

Here I am a year later and the CW9 is STILL my favorite. I don't carry it much, preferring the .38, but for range time it's my immediate first choice. When I think about fun shooting it's the first gun to come to mind.

Sure, as with many poly Kahrs, I had occasional FTF's until around the 400 rnd mark, but since then it's been totally reliable. It guards my downstairs family room where my wife and I watch movies (.38 snubs cover upstairs).

I like its simple form, thin grip, design, precision manufacture, velvet DA trigger, even the name and the stainless steel mags are kinda cool. One of these days I'm going to buy the fancier P9, and a stainless K9. I was walking thru a gun show last weekend and when I came upon a display of CW and P9's I couldn't help but smile, these pistols always have that effect on me. Everything about them is a delight.

iostorm
May 1, 2007, 06:44 PM
+1 for the Kahr, my PM9 is flawless.

Sistema1927
May 1, 2007, 07:01 PM
I really love my early model G17. It always goes bang.

I really love my G26. I shoot it even better than the G17, and it always goes bang.

I carry a Kahr PM9 in my pocket every day. The Glocks are great, reliable firearms, but too thick and too large to pocket carry. The PM9 has been great, no failures of any kind after the first few rounds.

orionengnr
May 1, 2007, 07:11 PM
Well, for me...owning both just made me want to sell the Glock. Which I did, and bought another Kahr.

My first, PM9 is my summer "always" CCW. Summer is about 9 months out of the year here, so it spends a lot of time with me. It is dead reliable and more accurate than something this small should be.

My second, a P45. My winter "always" CCW. Just as reliable, just as accurate, and still smaller/lighter than a Glock.

PH/CIB
May 1, 2007, 08:13 PM
I have a Kahr PM40 first 1000 rounds all kinds of failures to return to battery, but incredibly light, easy to conceal and shoot and accurate. Sportsman's Warehouse sent it back to Kahr for me, after three weeks gun back and apparently fixed, excellent customer service from Kahr and Sportsman's Warehouse. Don't know if it is reliable yet until I put another 1000 rounds through it. Also own Glock 34, 36 and 27 absolutely no problems with any of them.

barbart
May 1, 2007, 10:04 PM
We have a new P40, every time we pull the trigger, the magazine falls out...:confused: First we thought we were depressing the mag release button but shooting one handed has the same result. The mag seems to be catching solidly. Have any of you heard of this problem? Any suggestions? We love the size and the feel of the gun. Thanks for any suggestions.

legion3
May 2, 2007, 06:34 AM
Kahr is too expensive.

Ala Dan
May 2, 2007, 09:55 AM
I joined the Kahr club, with the purchase of a CW9~! ;)

Thus far, I really like it. :D

Dravur
May 2, 2007, 12:52 PM
Some people like Glocks, Some like Kahrs. Some even like Hi-point.

But, found this a few articles down. Thought it made a point.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=274466

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