[vis-à-vis]

Today I did a google search for a Militia in the State of Kentucky. I was surprised to see one whose description was not white supremacist which is what the media has saturated my mind with.

I would really like to get involved with a Militia and not one that is Federally regulated. I am not right wing and I try to be level headed. Are you a member of one, do you know anyone who is, and overall what are your thoughts?

[scout26]

I'm in the one as per 10 USC Section 311. Other then that, no.

[Medusa]

I'm a member of defence league, under the DoD command, so yes.

ADDED: there are also others here who call themselves a militia and preach "white supremacy" and other neonazi crap. I can't call that a militia, but a miserable bunch of sorry A-holes. Every time I see one my foot starts to itch.

When is a militia a militia?

[ACORN]

I believe that George Mason stated the the "militia" was the "whole of the people". In that sense I am.

[Lupinus]

every male between the ages of 18 and (I think) 41 is in the milita to be technicle about it.

As far as organized milita no I am not.

[ilcylic]

As an able bodied male between the ages of 17 and 45, I can only reply: "Of course."

[Guzzizzit]

I'd have to agree, that as an able bodied, well trained, armed male, yes i an a member of the militia.

[Molon Labe]

Member? Hell, I started a militia group. Over four years ago. We're still going strong. Here's (http://champaigncounty.tripod.com/) our website.

[Stickjockey]

A militia? No.

The Militia? Yup.

[Titan6]

Mine is federally regulated as in active duty military. In Texas we also have the Texas Guard. This is NOT the Texas Army National Guard. This is a state militia that is not beholden to the feds yet is quite well organized and only operates as a unit within the state. They conduct missions such as crowd control and security at county fairs, disaster relief assistance among others. And no they are not a bunch of racists trying to overthrow the feds despite whatever you saw on CNN.

There are many other independent militas in Texas as well but they vary greatly in level of organization, skill and purpose.

[Walkalong]

Only in the sense stated by the constitution.

[AZTOY]

"The militia of the State of Arizona shall consist of all capable citizens of the state [between the ages of eighteen and forty-five years], and of those [between said ages] who shall have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing therein, subject to such exemptions as now exist, or as may hereafter be created, by the laws of the United States or of this state."


Article 16, Section 1, Arizona Constitution

[Firethorn]

Active duty military, so I don't normally count myself as part of the militia.

[bogie]

Well, back about 10 years ago, my friends and I had the misfortune to camp next to the "headquarters" of the Kentucky Militia at Knob Creek.

They were pretty much okay the first night. The second night, they had this "shortwave broadcaster" fellow show up, and start whipping them into a frenzy about "mud people," and the like.

Now, this sort of irritated me. I distinctly fuzzily remember offering to whup their racist butts, collectively or singly, and receiving no takers. Of course I had Jim Beam on my side, along with two friends with ARs...

Last I heard, their head guy was going down over taxes, since he decided he was smarter than the government, and didn't have to pay in.

I also don't think that they're allowed at Knob Creek anymore. I do know that the folks who get in, and start spreading racist literature, etc., are asked to leave. Now.

Do NOT mess with Hawk.

[Pax Jordana]

In the "unorganized rabble with guns" sense, yeah.

I've always wondered what would happen if someone spotted me carrying and asked if I was a cop, and I said "no ma'am, I'm with the militia." :confused:

[hotpig]

When I was in the Police Academy I was accused by the others as being in the Militia. There were only two of us from Southern Illinois in the class. We talk about guns to each other and the guys in our class branded us as militia since we had guns other than shotguns for hunting.

[Joshua C]

In the state constitution sense, yes.

[db_tanker]

Does the Zombie Squad count? :cool:


No I am not in a militia...not that I think it should be a big deal...


D

[Declaration Day]

Yes, I am a proud member of the Southeast Michigan Volunteer Militia.

www.michiganmilitia.com

[DoubleTapDrew]

there are also others here who call themselves a militia and preach "white supremacy" and other neonazi crap. I can't call that a militia, but a miserable bunch of sorry A-holes. Every time I see one my foot starts to itch.

Thanks to the media, that's what most anti-gun folks think of when they hear the word 'militia'. :barf:

[SoCalShooter]

Yes- I am an armed American citizen...so yeah I am in a militia.

[gp911]

I don't mean to hijack, but I have a quick militia related question. I often see rifles mentioned, and "bring magazines", but is there generally a list of approved weaponry? For example, a guy with little cash aside from member dues shows up with a 91/30 and a spam can of ammo, can he qualify at the range that day? I'm guessing their are other drills that require a semi-auto with a 20 or 30 round capacity, am I right?

I'm also guessing most militias (judging by what I've heard through the grapevine) would accept the guy with the Mosin and encourage him to save up for a semi-auto so he can eventually participate in all activities, not just the charitable work and physical drills.

Any info is appreciated. One answer is fine, as again I don't want to hijack the thread.


gp911

[SoCalShooter]

In my militia if you have a gun and know how to use it well then your in. :)

[hso]

There are over 20 active State Defense Forces (state militias). They do good work in time of need and are not subject to Fed control. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_Forces

[Declaration Day]

gp911,

We welcome all responsible armed citizens to participate in our training activities. Everyone is encouraged to own the most effective rifle they can afford, but nobody is turned away, excluded, or ridiculed for having a low-cost firearm.

www.michiganmilitia.com

[armedandsafe]

RCW 38.04.030
Composition of the militia.

The militia of the state of Washington shall consist of all able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this state, who shall be more than eighteen years of age, and shall include all persons who are members of the national guard and the state guard, and said militia shall be divided into two classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.

Pops

[44AMP]

The unorganised militia. I am well regulated, in the sense of the Founding Fathers, in that I have my own gun(s), ammo, and equipment, and I still remember the fundamentals of military drill.

I am technically beyond the age limits for militia service specified in various constitutions, but since we are unorganised, I have not resigned. There is no one to submit a resignation to.;)

I hope never to have to answer the call again, but if the need arises I will do all that I can.

[AF_INT1N0]

I'm not. I'm currently serving in the Standing Military. However once I get out, I will then be in the militia.

I also picked have a friend in the militia, because all my friends are in the militia, whether they know it or not.

in the U.S, the militia is defined as all able bodied men between 17 and 47. Therefore all my non military male friends are in the militia. Most will need allot of training to be ready for battle.

[MilsurpShooter]

I signed my selective service paperwork, in my mind that makes me part of one :D

[Matt King]

In the sense of the militia being the general armed public. . . Yes. In an organized milita . . . No.

[vis-à-vis]

Those of you in a militia which is not the National Guard, Army, etc. and is unregulated by any Government control, what have your experiences been? What types of activities do you engage in?

Due to a health problem I have I am precluded from service in the Military even though this was a goal in High School (did 4 years of JROTC). The health issue is not a huge deal, but the Government won't accept me in the service. This is God's will for me.

But I do love my country and desire to see her flourish. I also love my liberty and yours. I believe that the Second Amendment ensures all other rights. So while I cannot serve in the US Military, I would like to participate in a non-traditional (at least not these days) Militia as a minuteman (of sorts) just like my ancestor. The trick is finding one that is not insane.

Thoughts on what I can do to serve my country? I vote. I have done volunteer police auxiliary work. I am a responsible, upstanding citizen, I believe.

[Pilgrim]

My family members, brothers, cousins, etc., were concerned by my political views to the point my closest brother asked, "Are you in one of those militias?"

I answered, "I am a militia."

Pilgrim

[Declaration Day]

vis a vis, I can't speak for any other group, but ours is definitely not "insane".

Truthfully, our group is comprised of some of the finest gentlemen I've ever met.

Here's a great recent news story about us:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJXmumvgt68&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprofile%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser%2Eviewprofile%26friendid%3D128344935%26MyToken%3Dfdc6f4b9%2Dd862%2D4798%2Dba2

Note that in this interview, an FBI agent acknowledged that we are doing our civic duty. I personally don't need praise from any of the alphabet people, but to the general public, it's a profound step towards restoring the image of the Militia.

I have no idea why they were so fascinated with vegetarians in our group.

[vis-à-vis]

I have no idea why they were so fascinated with vegetarians in our group.

Probably because most think militia members are bloodthirsty rednecks.

[DoubleTapDrew]

HSO said:
There are over 20 active State Defense Forces (state militias). They do good work in time of need and are not subject to Fed control. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Defense_Forces

Looks like for Oregon's State Defense Force (http://www.mil.state.or.us/SDF/index.html) at least, you need to be ex military :(

JOIN THE ORSDF

Every person possesses skills and qualities that they can use to benefit the community. Whether your skill is first aid, cooking, security, or support, you can make a contribution toward the success of the ORSDF and consequently the community. Prior military service from any component is a prerequisite for all positions.

[tmajors]

Proud member of the militia, but not a member of a militia. Gonna change that if I can ever find one in southern Idaho that isn't a supremacist group.

[Molon Labe]

Probably because most think militia members are bloodthirsty rednecks.Indeed.

Our group is comprised of normal, everyday folks. Here's a sample of occupations in our group:

Electrical engineer
Mechanical engineering student
Fabricator/machinist
Sheriff's deputy
Truck driver
Fulltime paramedic
Tractor mechanic
Security guard

Some are former military. Of these, one is a former Ranger, and another is a former Marine.

We are not racist. We are not rednecks. We do not engage in illegal activities. We simply get together once a month to teach each other skills. If you'd like an idea of what we do, here's (http://champaigncounty.tripod.com/id4.html) a list of previous training sessions.

[ReadyAndVigilant]

E-4 in the real Michigan militia, the volunteer defense force. you people who dress in gi joe costumes and pretend your some type of military force know you are violating laws governing the use and wear of military-type uniforms? the defense force is a state-controlled force to take over national guard duties when they deploy. those groups are not militias, they are private groups who never grew out of playing soldier as a kid. the defense force is the real militia.

[qajaq59]

Oh sure, I'm 68 and handicapped. You want to follow me in battle? Good grief.

And....... If you really want to play soldier, go to Baghdad and stand next to my grandson. He'll show you what being a soldier is really about.

[Declaration Day]

ReadyandVigilant,

Thank you for your opinion.

you people who dress in gi joe costumes and pretend your some type of military force know you are violating laws governing the use and wear of military-type uniforms?

There may be laws prohibiting the impersonation of soldiers, but there are no laws regulating the wearing of camo. We don't wear any military insignias, nor do we use any of the camo currently employed by the US military.

There's a good reason why we use camo, and it's for the same reason the military does: it works!

Though all of our instructors are combat veterans, military-style training is only one of the things we do. We also have a doctor and a Detroit EMT who teach medical classes. We test all kinds of gear- military and otherwise, under extreme conditions to see how well it works in case we ever REALLY need it. We keep our vehicles and homes stocked with non-perishable food, water and medical supplies, so that we can be self-sufficient and even help our neighbors, in the event of a disaster. (We did that during the blackout of '04).

I'm not sure why you decided to sign up here and criticize something that you have no first-hand knowledge of. Why not take the high road and see for yourself?

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/militia_field_day_2007.htm

Each year we host this event, purely for fun and to offer the public an opportunity to see that we're not what the media told you we are. Come on out, eat, enter some shooting contests, shoot several firearms you've never shot before, and be sure to get in line for the .50 cal!

[Declaration Day]

And....... If you really want to play soldier, go to Baghdad and stand next to my grandson. He'll show you what being a soldier is really about.

I bet we could learn a lot from him, but again, we aren't pretending or claiming to be soldiers, so please drop the hostility.

Next time you speak to your grandson, tell him I said thank you. If he needs a care package or anything, drop me an email at DeclarationDay@yahoo.com and the SMVM will be happy to put something together for him.

[Molon Labe]

Declaration Day:

There's a tremendous amount of ignorance about who we are and what we do. Sadly, many of the ignorant are gun owners. Instead of learning the truth, they choose to vilify the militia based on lies and deceit. Gun owners who do this remind me of Sarah Brady, as this is the same tactic she uses to vilify all gun owners.

[Declaration Day]

Molon Labe, I couldn't have said it better.

Are you coming to Militia Field Day this year?

[Don Lu]

I have always been one of those who have thought of militias and extremist, supremisist and conspiracy theorist. This opinion has been based on media perception as I have absolutly no personal expirience. Its cool to see I may have been wrong. I saw a couple of the websites posted in this thread say they are open to all races and religions. How many of the groups represented in this thread have minority members and about what are the percentages ?

[Molon Labe]

Are you coming to Militia Field Day this year?
April 14th? Damn.

I went to an Appleseed Shoot last weekend, and militia training is at the end of the month. So I've used up my allotted number of "Saturdays away from home" for this month. At least according to my wife. :D

[Declaration Day]

Bring her with you! It's a family-friendly event.

[Molon Labe]

I have always been one of those who have thought of militias and extremist, supremisist and conspiracy theorist. This opinion has been based on media perception as I have absolutly no personal expirience. Its cool to see I may have been wrong.It's interesting, as the exact same situation exists with gun owners. The media has vilified gun owners, and has painted them all as dangerous and deranged. The truth is the opposite, of course. In the same way, the media has painted all militia members as "racist conspiracy theorists bent on overthrowing the government." This is completely false.

I saw a couple of the websites posted in this thread say they are open to all races and religions. How many of the groups represented in this thread have minority members and about what are the percentages?As with most militia groups, our group is open to anyone regardless of ethnicity, gender, religion, etc. Our group happens to be comprised of white males, but this is not by design... I wish women and minorities would join our group.

[toemag]

I'm not a member of a Militia, but I served my country as a soldier, spent 10 years as a member of an armored regiment (UK).

As I now live in Germany there are a lot of legal aspect's to being in such an organization over here. If I had gone back to the UK after my service ended I would have joined the TA which is the same same as your National Guard.

I like the minuteman concept and the way that the Michigan Militia is now heading, keep up the great work.

[Declaration Day]

I have always been one of those who have thought of militias and extremist, supremisist and conspiracy theorist. This opinion has been based on media perception as I have absolutly no personal expirience. Its cool to see I may have been wrong. I saw a couple of the websites posted in this thread say they are open to all races and religions. How many of the groups represented in this thread have minority members and about what are the percentages ?

Don Lu, thank you for being a a gentleman and keeping an open mind. Currently, our group is mostly white. I am mixed, being both caucasian and Filipino. We have a young Canadian man, of Chinese descent, who attends our meetings and trainings when he can make it over the border with his gear!

We have had black and middle-eastern people attend our public meetings before, but I don't recall any of them coming out to training. Unfortunately, because of the common perception that militia=white supremacist, it seems that minorities are leery about showing up. I wish more would, because the safety and security of our communities and our nation is everybody's responsibility.

Regarding religion, most of our members are Christian. Many are atheist or agnostic. Except for voluntary participation in a brief prayer at the beginning of our public meetings, religion plays no role in our operations, mission, tasks, or motivations.

Keep in mind, Don Lu, that there are many so-called militia groups out there with racial or religious leanings. There are others who are comprised of angry, nut-job conspiracy theorists, who do little more than wear camo, drink beer and bitch about the government. I do not speak for them.

WWW.MICHIGANMILITIA.COM

[WeThePeople]

Thank you for this thread. I have always thought that militiamen (not active duty, reserve, or national guard) were all complete nut jobs. It appears that I was wrong.

My misperception was simply because I have never heard anything good about them. Its not just the media that portrays militiamen in that way. I have seen members of militias at various gun shows and shoots and the ones that I have encountered are clearly racists and anti-government (and a little nuts in my opinion).

I am happy to learn that there are militias out there that are basically just out to help their neighbors when the organized military is unavailable.

[RNB65]

A Militia of One.

:neener:

[Barbara]

REAL militia, not private armies

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E-4 in the real Michigan militia, the volunteer defense force. you people who dress in gi joe costumes and pretend your some type of military force know you are violating laws governing the use and wear of military-type uniforms? the defense force is a state-controlled force to take over national guard duties when they deploy. those groups are not militias, they are private groups who never grew out of playing soldier as a kid. the defense force is the real militia.

I have friends involved in VDF and they don't share your attitude, thankfully.

To answer the question, I'm not a member of any militia, either organized or unorganized.

[Don Lu]

Malon and Declaration, Thanks for the feedback. It was actually a little refreshing.

[Molon Labe]

I have seen members of militias at various gun shows and shoots and the ones that I have encountered are clearly racists and anti-government (and a little nuts in my opinion).What year was this?

I have been active in the militia for over 5 years. Met hundreds of militiamen. I have yet to meet one who was racist or anti-government. So this comment intrigues me.

[Sniper X]

I'd say wothout trying to seem paronoid, that it may not be a great idea to admit you want to be in a militia, or are active in one on the "net". These days since militias have been totally mis labled by the liberal media, and have been branded as ALL being a bunch of gap toothed rednecks who hate everything from the government, to any race but white, we who would be in a militia for the reasons set forth when militias were the norm in the old US, could find ourselves under investigation by the FBI and ATF right away. In fact, one of the reasons the Branch Dividians were originally under investigation was that someone said they were a militia disguised as a Religous group because they frequented gun shows to buy and sell guns to make money for the "group".


I have done a few web searches for militias for research purposes for myself, and found that most if not all that HAVE websites, are some kind of supremist group. Weither it be white, chicano, or black militants. And beleive me, all raceist groups in the net are NOT white.........

As for me, I am not in a militia, since I ETS'd in 1987! But that was a government sponsered militia..

[22LongRifle]

When I went throught the academy for corrections, the "southerners" were not looked upon nicely above the I70.

One instructor said that for "us", we going to have a shotgun shot at night and we can use the opitional truck door to shoot off of!

Funny thing though, when we went to Statesville and Joilet to train, the inmates hated us! But the "trainer" would put us in the towers for yard and chow time! They knew we would protect them if anything went down!

Back to if I belong, no. I was a real serviceman for fours years and would still be if RIF didn't come about.

I am the Sergant at Arms for my daughters Pom Pon squad!

Jerry

[Molon Labe]

...could find ourselves under investigation by the FBI and ATF right away.Not today. The U.S. government no longer considers citizen's militias to be a threat. (The citizen's militias of today are nothing like the militias of the mid 1990s. And thank God for that.) The government has realized that today's militias are mostly comprised of lawful, pro-government, patriotic, and upstanding citizens. Why waste time investigating these kinds of people?

I have done a few web searches for militias for research purposes for myself, and found that most if not all that HAVE websites, are some kind of supremist group. Weither it be white, chicano, or black militants.Interesting. Can you provide links to militia websites that are supremacist in nature? You're welcome to start with the web site for our group (http://champaigncounty.tripod.com/).

[Declaration Day]

We don't worry about being investigated by the ATF or the FBI, because 1) We don't do anything illegal and 2) We operate in the public eye. ANYONE can come to our meetings and trainings, provided of course that they observe the rules of firearm safety.

I posted this video earlier in this thread, but since the question of FBI investigation came up, here it is again:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJXmumvgt68&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprofile%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser%2Eviewprofile%26friendid%3D128344935%26MyToken%3Dfdc6f4b9%2Dd862%2D4798%2Dba2

It's about a year and a half old, and I have no idea why channel 7 was so fascinated that we have 2 or 3 vegetarian members. It's a good video though.

Note that in it, an FBI agent acknowledges that we are doing our civic duty.

Enjoy.

[EricTheBarbarian]

WOLVERINES!!

[Declaration Day]

Heh heh, the Michigan Militia Wolverines are defunct, and have been for a very long time.

[igor]

I'm in the reserves of the Finnish Defence Forces since my 11-month training umph-teen years ago. It's a conscript army, or a well regulated militia, if you will... :cool:

As about 80% of all able males do their service in the armed forces, it's more than fair to also check the "I have a friend in one" too.

Just packing my gear for a 3-gun competition/training session where I'll RO until Sunday evening.

[sb350hp]

No. Not officially. Fact is I do not even know if there is such in Oregon save the tree loving bunny hugger groups.

If the situation demanded. Count me in. 2nd A supporters are already part of said militia w/o paying any dues or signing any paperwork.

[Sistema1927]

Let's see:

1) I was an armed citizen at age 18, and continued as such until age 24, when
2) I served 4 years active duty in the US Army, then
3) I served 2 years as a reservist in the Texas Army National Guard, then
4) I was an armed citizen from age 26 until age 45, at which time my service as part of the Constitutionally recognized militia ended, and
5) Now at age 51 I am still an armed citizen, and would protect my community from all enemies foreign and domestic if the need were to arise.

In other words: Been there, done that, wore out the T-shirt.

[BobMcG]

Humm... I'm a responsible, law abiding, tax paying, voting, citizen who loves his country, would give up his life in defense of it, and is able and willing to do so anytime if the necessity were to arise.

Am I a member of an organized militia? No. Perhaps I'm more like a modern day Minuteman.

[pcosmar]

Unfortunately no. But I am a friend of the militia.
I will however defend my community should the need arise.

I wish I could say yes, but I am unable to own firearms, and I do not..,

[TheLastBoyScout]

Only on facebook...

One of the Sgts from the Citadels ARNG recruiting station actually posted there trying to recruit us for the Guard.


We're all either Marine reservists or Marine midshipman...

[therealsteamer]

The militia that I know is not of the racist, anti-government, redneck-bubbafied flavor... They are husbands, wives, mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters... Essentially they are loving patriotic Americans who actually care about their families, neighbors, communities, and in the grand scheme of things, their country....

They look at their involvement as a way to further ensure their safety, security and survivability in the event of a local, statewide or national emergency/crisis.... Not only that of themselves but that of their families, friends and local communities..

With the above being said, I feel it is appropriate to say...

Yes, I am a member of a militia...

[ctdonath]

Why yes, as an able-bodied male between ages 17 and 45, Congress has unilaterally declared me part of the US militia. I'm even duly registered per the Selective Service System.

Why they neglect to arm and train me, and even prohibit the most standard weapon (select-fire M4), I do not understand.

[ReadyAndVigilant]

DeclarationDay - thanks but no thank you. I would not want to associate with a private paramilitary group. i know you're mostly well intentioned folks, but the road to hell is paved by 'em. if you guys showed up at an emergency location when VDF is deployed, and some police chief thinks you're real VDF troops then someone is hurt because of ignorant actions - whos the blame?

you guys have NO ONE to answer to. you are NOT a militia or any other type of armed force that answers to the people through their elected representatives.

i've seen your website. real nice how everyone covers their face like some mideast terrorist in the pictures. duh... I dont know why people would be leary of our actions...? wake up you guys, quit playing dress up and operating private armies. your ranks are meaningless to anyone outside your private paramilitary group, including police fire, etc. check out http://www.mivdf.org - this is the real militia in Michigan, along with the MI Army National Guard and Air Guard.

US and state law is very clear when it comes to this: the organized militia is the National Guard and state defense forces. the unorganized militia is simply the males whose ages are specified that are not in those organization . that's it! they're not private armies scattered in every corner of the state and country. the michigan militia was created as an anti-government anti-UN org. now you suddenly expect people to believe youre there for government to call on in an emergency? also noticed a lot of those militias have gotten rid of that word and call themselves more official sounding names.

i do not have to drive out to your training farm and spend the weekend with you to know what the militia means. its because of groups like yours that i have to explain how VDF is NOT the MI militia - the police officers i've spoken with are suspicous of the private so called militias, and some mistake the VDF for those unauthorized groups.

i LOVE the 2nd amendment, its one of the best parts of the constituion. BUT, it doesnt authorize you to form private armies. the 18 year old kid working at McDonald's who's never fired a gun in his life is constitutionally just as part of the unorganized militia as those of you who dress in cammo, survive on beans over the weekend and shoot bowling pins. just because you do paramilitary training does not make you THE militia. so what sets you guys apart from the McD's punk? the fact you give yourselves ranks and wear uniforms? NO - you're both as "militia" legally as the other. your claiming the right to the name "militia" is therefore unjustified!

dont know if you guys are just on some power trip, hoping to be big fish in your self made "militia" forces. quit the BS paramilitary stuff... leave the cammo at home until your hunting or camping. you and "your troops" go to the local gun range and have fun. marching around in the woods painted up and wearing masks only scares most people. stop the dressing up marching around saluting having fake ranks.

by wearing uniforms, having official looking patches and fake ranks you're trying to imply that you are military personnel. if someone in the public saw you when "deployed" they would assume you are a member of the real organized militia.

and to the individual with friends in the VDF -- they should know better. if "militia" people show up an at emergency scene were VDF is deployed and providing perimeter security, those "militia" would not be given admittance. if you tried to enter regardless, you would be disarmed (if you're carrying) and placed under arrest by a law enforcement officer. you will not be called on unless the red chinese swim across Lake Superior or through Windsor-Detroit. if you want to serve in uniform, join the VDF.

[Barbara]

Stop comparing the two things. The VDF is not a militia in any sense of the word. You're not law enforcement, you're not a member of the posse. You are an unarmed volunteer coordinator. In a true emergency, the Guard and local law enforcement will still carry the heavy load.

The Militia, in the sense that some of these people are using it, is comprised of males between 18 and 45. The Michigan Militia is a group of people who choose to prepare for emergencies they perceive as possible or likely. I skimmed through the pictures and only saw one person with his face covered, and humorously enough, it was the one person I knew and I recognized him anyway. :) They're exercising their god-given right to self-defense and defense of their country and are no more or less entitled to do that in the way that makes the most sense to them than you are.

Get off your high horse. You can be proud of volunteering, in the same way that Red Cross and other volunteers can be proud of their service, but it still doesn't give you the right to start smacking down other people.

[Prince Yamato]

$10 says this thread is pulled up as an example of why AWs should be banned when HR #### gets pushed again.

[pcosmar]

Thank you Barbara,
I am looking into the VDF as I am unarmed by law. I seems a good community service.
I found the link to them on the Michigan Militia website.

[Barbara]

I've looked into it, as well. In general, they seem to be a good group of people who are volunteering to help their state. I'm not really confortable with their representation here, but I know others who are members.

Depending on why you are disarmed, though, you may not qualify? Can't hurt to find out, though.

[tmajors]

If the other States' Volunteer Defense Forces are anything like the attitude shown by a poster in this thread...I think I'll go with the unorganized militia, they seem friendlier.

[ReadyAndVigilant]

Sorry if I dont seem "friendly" but there is a definate line between the real militia of the State of Michigan and private paramilitary groups.

Some facts need to be laid out here for those who do not understand the reality.

Barbara, the VDF IS the militia, doesn't matter if you pretend otherwise. The facts are very clear on this and so is state law. The VDF, ARNG and ANG are THE LAWFULLY AUTHORIZED, ORGANIZED militia. I am not comparing anything - I'm telling you that there is a real militia and private groups of private citizens who use the word "militia" in their names.

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/MACOMB/FRarchive/training202.htm

--Half these guys are covering their faces. why get your pic taken if you're worried about hiding identity? i think i recognize the large gentleman from bowling for columbine! Barbara, you yourself said the one on the main page you recognized despite his face being covered... so why do it? to look scary? replace the robe with cammo and the green Hamas flag with the stars and stripes and you have... ta da "the militia." what a great idea if you're trying to get the public to warm up. that's how you "militias" look to most people.

http://ccm223.tripod.com/ -- 11 out 14 "troops" masked here. these types of photos scream domestic-version of Hezbollah.


You don't have to tell me what VDF is and what it is not. My entire family has served in this state's defense forces since its inception (VDF shares its origins with the state police) since 1917. I am well aware of our missions. I never claimed to be law enforcement or in any county sheriff's office posse.

If you think otherwise, you are wrong and need to read more carefully. If civilians showed up at an area secured by state forces to offer help, they would be denied access as they are not a government trained force! if some "militia" person tried to enter against lawful orders to stay away, as I stated before, a law enforcement officer will place them under arrest. everyone claims to that they're doing what they do in part to help in an emergency.

say a disaster hits a minority-populated urban area. i know you guys are known as racists by many past media reports and thats what the majority of Americans think of. rural redneck hillbilly neo nazi racists. I know better and I know you've actuvely sought the participation of racially/sexually diverse people. but most people do not think that -- if your militia "deployed" to protect and help people in an urban area, what do you think would be the reaction of armed criminal gangs? what about the community at large? if some gangster punks engaged your group and fire fight ensued, do you think the entire community wouldn't be hostile to you (a mostly white quasi-military force)? your presence would be the cause of a civil disturbance, although you went there with the intentions of helping other citizens.

VDF can be given powers of arrest under state authority when activated for internal security. state's defense forces are not subject to posse comitatus. VDF will be issued arms if and when they are called to protect state property. most members shoot together at the local range in their off-duty time.

Barbara, remember KATRINA? When there were no police and NO National Guard for many days? In that event, VDF would deploy armed. just because we dont obsess with weapons (we all know them and use them anyway even if the state doesnt currently provide training) doesnt mean were not a defense force. militias are called to arms when they need to be. you pretend militias are just gun-focused social groups who play gi joe. the VDF is a state military organization.

VDF is primarly an EMS support organization, however they can and would be capable of physical defense of critical state infrastructure. Do not join VDF an expect to be driving tanks and shooting machine guns. Doesn't mean the weapons aren't there when they're needed.

I'm not "smacking down" anybody and I'm not on any type of high horse. I said they may be well intentioned, but they go about it in a legally questionable manner. they claim military ranks and act in a military manner as if they'll ever be utilized by anyone as an armed force.

I'm laying down the facts for some of you people who seem confused. the MI VDF, the NG and ARN are the organized militia. the 18-45 non-military males are the unorganized militia who may be drafted either by the federal armed forces or state military service.

you groups that use the name "militia" are speaking for a body of people MUCH larger than yourself. your personal actions should not reflect on the ENTIRE unorganized militia, yet it does because the title has been hijiked by paramilitary leaders who liked the term. that would be like me stating my opinion and claiming I am the public -- I would be wrong. I am a member of the public... a very small part of a huge body of people known collectively as "the public." I cannot speak for the entire pulic as I comprise such a small part of such.

Sorry if you guys are offended in any way, but there's the plain truth. private groups are not the militia. the (unorganized) militia is a vast and sprawling entity... paramilitary groups have no right to claim that role.

a friend from Tennessee, in the state guard, was confronted by a "captain" of some pretend militia in that state when both showed up at the same major building collapse. the "militia cpt." was angry that the real state guardsmen wouldn't salute him. i wouldn't salute any pretend militia either as their ranks are not real. i can declare myself the "general" of my household, doesn't matter if i buy a costume and demand people salute me, doesn't make me a general.

You may ask why I expend the energy studying the characteristics of a group in which I'm not a part of? Simply for the well being of our defense force. Don't get me wrong, I am not the same as every state volunteer. I'm sure a lot of varying degress of opinion regarding the militia. most I know are annoyed by them. militia people have gained entry to military bases in the past and only the state soldiers noticed and took action to see they were escorted immediately off state property.

Like I said before, you guys shoot someone or do something you didn't know you weren't supposed to do and people die as a result --both private paramilitary "militias" and the real VDF militia would be impacted. especially if its one of the splinter groups with an official sounding name. nearly every person that learns of the VDF inquires about a link/connection to the mi militia. one reason i dont like the self proclaimed militia is that they are not accountable to anyone but their own "officers." not the county sheriff, not the DMVA or AG or governor, or EMA, not the police chief, state police commander, fire chief, township supervisor, etc... no one LEGALLY elected by the people of Michigan. Who's liable if someone in your group shoots an innocent person by mistake?

You guys can be just as effective as a community service volunteer pool.... but drop the paramilitary act. you're not soldiers, don't need to look/act like one. why not gather at the gun range, teach newbies the joy of blasting osama targets, teach 'em useful skills about citizenship, the second amendment, fire aid, basic survival skills.

make yourself into a safe non-military in appearance group, maybe everyone wear the same tshirt, vest or hat... other than that, look like what you are - a civilian. give yourself a realistic name like "Municipal Resident's Service" or something a little less militaristic than 'defense', 'militia', 'corps', etc, etc, etc. this is your ticket if you want to be utilized on a large scale. if you want "official" service join the vdf, or local CERT or sheriff's reserves, etc. if not, start your own non-military community service group.

again, sorry if you're angered, but there's my friendly advice.

pcosmar, what do you mean you're disarmed by law? Do you mean you cannot legally own a weapon? Is this for a criminal felony offense? VDF screens everyone carefully through the state police, just so you know.

RAV

[Lurp]

I am in the one under the U.S. Constitution and so are almost every other person on this site.

[Barbara]

I'm not angered. I'm saying the following:

You're clueless as to the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, despite your professed love of it.

[Declaration Day]

Wow, Readyandvigilant, you sure like to type a lot.

For the record, I am not angry with you. A bit disheartened by your ignorance, but not angry.

As much as I'd like to answer many of your incorrect statements and assumptions about the militia, and our group specifically, it appears you have made up your mind.

Despite your immature first post, I politely offered you an opportunity to come and see for yourself who we are. You chose to stand firm in your angry, ignorant judgments.

Respond to this if you see fit, but I am bowing out of this conversation with you, as my time is reserved for those who behave like gentlemen (and ladies).

Good day. :)

[ReadyontheRight]

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

[The Shootist]

To: ReadyandVigilant

First off I don't belong to any Militia or Military Branch but I beleive in our right to own and bear Arms and I see nothing wrong with what Declaration Day and his group are doing as long as they aren't break any laws and actually it is what the Framers and Writers of our Constitution and the Second Amendment meant by an Armed Malitia and not Only A body Soldiers controlled by any State or Goverment!

Our Laws as they Still stand Today!
In recent decades, efforts have been mounted to impose an individual meaning on the Second Amendment—that is, to assert that the amendment protects an individual right to own guns, aside and apart from militia service. The effort dates to a law journal article published in 1960. Since then, the individualist movement has won adherents, and in 2001 a federal court (Fifth Circuit) for the first time accepted this view in U.S. v. Emerson. This view has now been endorsed by Attorney General John Ashcroft, representing a reversal of decades of Justice Department interpretation. But even supporters of the individualist view generally concede that it permits reasonable gun regulations.

ROBERT J. COTTROL: There can be little doubt that the Second Amendment was intended to protect the right of the people to have arms. The amendment should first be seen as a restatement of the principle found in the English Bill of Rights of 1689. This principle—that the people should be armed not only to participate in militia duty but also to defend themselves against a tyrannical government—was a well-recognized part of Anglo-American political and constitutional thought endorsed by, among others, English legal commentator William Blackstone.

Both Blackstone and the English Bill of Rights were part of the background of the framers as they drafted the Bill of Rights, including the Second Amendment. No one has found any statements from the late eighteenth or early nineteenth century endorsing the notion that the amendment applied only to men acting in a militia capacity. Although one of the purposes of the Second Amendment was to ensure that an armed population would be available to act in a militia capacity, there is no evidence that the right was to be restricted to that. Indeed, given what we know of the rejection of alternatives that were offered, there is a strong indication that the intent was to protect an individual right.

A Simple Question!

If the Goverment went into complete anarchy,with a total of 1.5Million Armed Forces and a National Guard of Max.of 350,000 and maybe 10-20 thousand Organized Malitia(Controlled By Gov.) as you call yourself.
Now consider the unorganized Malitia,Today(abled bodied Men & Woman 17-47) Approx 145Million Strong :eek:
Now! On which side would You stand?

[3fgburner]

§ 44-1. Composition of militia. (http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+44-1)

The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied citizens of this Commonwealth and all other able-bodied persons resident in this Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least sixteen years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than fifty-five years of age. The militia shall be divided into four classes, the National Guard, which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard, the Virginia State Defense Force, the naval militia, and the unorganized militia.

It used to be "All able-bodied male citizens" until about 20 years ago. In the mid-1980s, that changed to "able-bodied citizens". I also answered "yes" to "I have a friend in the militia".

[ReadyAndVigilant]

If the US fell apart tomarrow, I would be what I have been. A legal soldier for the state. I've sworn an oath to protect this state from all enemies foreign or domestic... and if you militias felt you needed to act against the duly elected government, I would defend it from you as well.

I've given you all the facts regarding the militita (what it is and what its not) but I'm sure you'll just shrug it off and go on pretending that you're some other than a private paramilitary group.

Truth hurts, huh people?

[Roadwild17]

I thought the militia was "dead" until the discovery channel did a special about the Missouri ? 51st militia. They showed how they trained with paintball markers for "live fire" exercises, how they have communications, health care, security, and command individuals. They explained who anytime something happened in the community, the militia would offer help and would always be refused by the local authorities. I then remember the last 10 minutes or so was spend talking about weapons (I believe they were taling to a different type of militia) as it appeared they had auto weapons (I didn't know anything about NFA stuff then, it was quiet a few years ago).

I'm not in a militia, I am part of the US militia so to say, but when I move to Texas I may look into the Texas state guard.

[BobMcG]

R&V
You claim not to be on your "high horse". I gotta tell you though, from an outsider (*with no stake in this at all) looking in, the horse you're riding looks SOOO HIGH, if you fell off it you'd likely free-fall for thirty minutes at terminal velocity before you ever hit earth.

It may upset you, but you do come off as being just one of a line of family members with a long history alright, of being full of themselves.

*Over fifty and refer to post #64.

[hotpig]

Barbara, remember KATRINA? When there were no police and NO National Guard for many days? In that event, VDF would deploy armed. just because we dont obsess with weapons (we all know them and use them anyway even if the state doesnt currently provide training) doesnt mean were not a defense force. militias are called to arms when they need to be. you pretend militias are just gun-focused social groups who play gi joe. the VDF is a state military organization.

VDF is primarly an EMS support organization, however they can and would be capable of physical defense of critical state infrastructure. (end of quote)

Who decides when you should go armed? Why would you go into a situation that required you to be armed when you say the state does not provide you with training or weapons?

I do not know anything about your orginization but a assumption would be that you guys are not to be armed. Thats why you do not get state sponsored training.Self arming would likly violate your "employment" with the state making you a militia.

[therealsteamer]

It is very enlightening to see the difference of opinions with in this thread...

I reposted this at another forum and among others got the following reply from a friend:

It is certainly possible to have a "true" militia these days, though I'm not aware of any.

The militias that existed from the 15th though 17th centuries were created and supported by local communities. Their primary purpose was to protect the communities against invasions. The militias were quite structured and regimented; community leaders would oversee the operations of the militia, and would appoint qualified people to recruit, train, and discipline the men.

There are two key characteristics of this "classic" militia that are particularly noteworthy:

1. They were created by communities.
2. The members lived in close proximity to each other, and would operate as a tight-knit unit when called upon to fight.

As for #1, I'm not aware of any modern citizen's militia unit that was created by a local community. As for #2, I can only speak for the group I'm a member of. Though we all meet at a common location to train, our members are spread throughout Ohio.

I have had the following conversation with a number of our members:

Member: "If the SHTF, will we be a fighting force? Where will we meet?"

Me: "A militia protects the community, and we each live in different communities. Because we live so far apart, we will probably never be a tight-knit fighting force if the real thing ever happens."

Member: "So if we're not a fighting force, why are we training?"

Me: "Even though we call ourselves a 'militia group,' do not think of us as a fighting force. We aren't. If the SHTF, each of us must become a leader in our communities. In your community there will be lots of people coming out of the woodwork with rifles in hand, and they'll be looking for someone to lead them. That's the real reason we hold training sessions... to train men like you to become militia leaders in their communities after the SHTF. In this respect, we are really an educational group, not a militia."

It is this mindset that attracted me to AND finally convinced me to become part of this organization....

[Barbara]

I'm familiar with the Michigan-based VDF, thanks. I have several friends who are involved and have considered joining myself.

Does it concern me that they intend to carry firearms under certain conditions but don't train? Um, hello, yes.

I'm also not a member of the militia, organized, unorganized, or any other kind. But our 2nd Amendment provides for them, my family fought the Revolution in one, and I believe RaV is mistaken in his interpretation of what they are..the exact same arguments he uses are used by anti-gunners to claim the National Guard is the militia and so we mere citizens don't need guns.

[ReadyAndVigilant]

Roadwild17, thanks for the info on the show concerning the Missouri 51st militia... I've researched these groups for many years and this looks interesting. Glad to hear you're considering membership in the authorized state defense force of Texas. Hope it goes well for you.

BobMcG, sorry you feel that way, but as I stated before, just laying the facts out there. If you feel that someone is riding the high horse for telling the truth, then that's your problem to deal with.

hotpig, VDF is activated by the Adjutant General, MG Thom Cutler - usually at the request of local authorities. If volunteers are required to be armed to ensure their own safety and the security of rescue victims, the Adjutant General would issue a "time to carry" order that authorizes the instruction in use and issue of shotguns or rifles (depending on environment).

[QUOTE] "I do not know anything about your orginization but a assumption would be that you guys are not to be armed. Thats why you do not get state sponsored training.Self arming would likly violate your "employment" with the state making you a militia." [END QUOTE]

Your assumption is correct. All SDFs are given the mission to save lives. Its about serving to help others, not about guns. That being said, there are certain conditions that would warrant the arming of the volunteers. These conditions are rare and almost never happen (thankfully) but in today's world anything can happen (like which was seen post Katrina, w/no LE, NG presence).

I never mentioned anything about self arming. I said members target shoot with one another on weekends when not training. This suggests a general familiarization of weapons by members; not a suggestion that soldiers bring their personal weapons from home on a mission.

[QUOTE]"I'm familiar with the Michigan-based VDF, thanks. I have several friends who are involved and have considered joining myself.

Does it concern me that they intend to carry firearms under certain conditions but don't train? Um, hello, yes.

I'm also not a member of the militia, organized, unorganized, or any other kind. But our 2nd Amendment provides for them, my family fought the Revolution in one, and I believe RaV is mistaken in his interpretation of what they are..the exact same arguments he uses are used by anti-gunners to claim the National Guard is the militia and so we mere citizens don't need guns."[END QUOTE]

Barbra, glad to hear you are considering joining VDF. Its a rewarding experience and I think you'll like it if you decide to.

I'm with you on the concern about the proper lack of sensible weapons training. However, the only way to change this is to write you legislators and have them amend the public act that only authorizes arming when protecting public property. This would require a lot grassroots agitation - unfortunately, for the most part grassroots do not know about the VDF. Bottom line: don't expect to be given weapons training if you decide to join. Would it be great to have a weapons certification, like the Ohio SDF? Of course.

In reality would VDF be deployed with arms? Probably not. It would be nice to have just in case. But, I joined on to help others in the community, not because I agreed with every policy. If the no-guns (without command authorization) thing bugs you that badly, then I wouldn't suggest coming aboard. There is a whole bunch of folks who hear about VDF, learn about it, and are sent away pissed off. they then proceed to bad mouth VDF troopers because VDF is not what they thought it would be. the NG or state police will provide security (if they're around).

Lastly, I totally support a citizen's right to keep and bear arms in the home (i do and so do most people i know). I am however opposed to private paramilitary armies who are not answerable to anyone but themselves.

[BobMcG]

BobMcG, sorry you feel that way, but as I stated before, just laying the facts out there.

Apparently some of your facts are being disputed.

If you feel that someone is riding the high horse for telling the truth, then that's your problem to deal with.

What a cute little saying. Yeah, that's right, I feel everyone simply telling the truth is automatically on a high horse. :rolleyes:

Well then, lets see.... lets keep it equally cute shall we...
"If you feel that someone saying you come across as a person on a high horse is due to the fact that they just can't handle the truth as presented by you rather than due to manor in which you speak to other people, then that's your problem to deal with."

Touché

[Jacka L Ope]

Washington State RCW 38.04.030:

Composition of the militia.

The militia of the state of Washington shall consist of all able bodied citizens of the United States and all other able bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, residing within this state, who shall be more than eighteen years of age, and shall include all persons who are members of the national guard and the state guard, and said militia shall be divided into two classes, the organized militia and the unorganized militia.

[The Shootist]

R&V said:

If the US fell apart tomarrow, I would be what I have been. A legal soldier for the state. I've sworn an oath to protect this state from all enemies foreign or domestic... and if you militias felt you needed to act against the duly elected government, I would defend it from you as well.

If the Goverment went into complete anarchy then all VDF's,Law inforcement and all US Forces would have to decide if they would then turn on their own Father,Brother,Mother,Sister and all their Neighbors or any and All Forces not controlled By said Goverment to protect that Goverment that was out of control.
Thats what the Malitia was created for!
V&R's answer as he has already stated Yes! He would! He Would trun on his on Family & Freinds because he Swore an oath. Well that oath want mean a thing if Our Own Goverment turns on it's People.

William Blackstone. an English legal commentator(Lawer) for the framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights said:

Antifederalists already suspicious of new federal powers were deeply concerned that states would no longer retain militia authority, and so they sought this reassurance in the Bill of Rights.This principle—that the people should be armed not only to participate in militia duty but also to defend themselves against a tyrannical government.

Read my Above statement Also: This would only apply if the Gov. turned on it's on people or tried to force the Country to to do what it's Majority wouldn't stand for.

Against 88-140 Million armed Americans the Goverment would have no choice but to lay down it's arms and do what the Majority called for.

[mtbkski]

I'm not a member of a militia. But I think this is interesting thread.

For those of you that are slamming those that have chosen to be a member. Stop and look at yourselves (and get off your high horses). You have pistols, rifles, shotguns and ammunition stocked up in your house. You talk about defending yourselves in dire times, what is the best gun for self defense, what ammo is best one shot stopping powere. You will defend your home and family to the end. And then you say these guys are extremist. Hmmmm.

But what if things got really bad.

What if Katrina hit your town. What if four or five of your buddies got together after a disaster, or because your town was rioting (Rodney King night). Wouldn't you have technically, suddenly become a milita? Or are you just a armed citiziens (How will the police know the difference??).

God forbid something does happen. But if it would, wouldn't you and your buddies benefit from having gotten together and practiced some good commen sense techniques. When your all sitting in someones basement or attic and the city is rioting, who will make the decisions for your gang on what you should do. If you had formed a milita. These questions will have an answer for you.

Is there a difference between them (militia) and you (armed citizen)? I just think they have decided to take one more step. Just like you have decided to take one more step, by carrying a handgun when your neighbor don't (he probably thinks your a gun nut).

They are preparing for that one step that we hope never comes. But if it does, they probably got a better chance than most of us do. Good luck to all of you. Hope we never need you guys.

[mtbkski]

I'm sorry. But I don't see a big difference between those on this site and those that belong to the militia. Here is why.

What if tomorrow the goverment annouced that all firearms were illegal to own. And owning one would be a crime against the state. I'm sure you all would just stand up and turn your weapons in wouldn't you. (It happened in Ausrtrilia so don't say that won't happen) Or would you take a stand and refuse to do this. Hmmmm.

I wonder how many of you that say you would defend this goverment to the end have a Molon Labe t-shirt in your house. Hey, they sell them on this site. Isn't that open defiance against the State. Your telling them to "Come and get them". I believe that would be construed as a threat towards the goverment.

I wonder how many people told you that you were paranoid cause you carry a handgun all the time and have all those "assault weapons" in your house.

(No, I don't belong to a militia. But I am open minded and look at both sides)

[DogBonz]

If you are a citizen and own a rifle, then you are a milita member.

[ReadyAndVigilant]

shootist,

you couldn't be more wrong. the whole reason to serve is the serve family community and state. if you think otherwise, then you need to pull your head out your rear end. don't put words in my mouth -- never said I would turn a gun on anyone. i'm not in the business of turning a gun on anyone -- im in the business of saving the lives of the residents of this great state!

you have NO IDEA what you're talking about -- you have NO IDEA of the oath I've sworn before God, either! One part of the oath states "I will obey the orders of the officers, and NCOs, appointed over me, according to law and regulation." If I receive an unlawful order, I will not obey it (such as shooting citizens be it friends, family, etc.) just as ANY OTHER PART of the military in the country.

If there were "anarachy" as you stated, then I would not receive orders from command to be activated. I would be citizen, then I am looking out for my household.

Please know what the hell you're talking about before you try to speak for me again.

If you thought a lawful government had "turned on you" and you illegally fought against it-- then hell yes, I would defend it from the likes of paranoid people like you.

[Barbara]

If you'd get some advanced training, I know a mall that's looking for some crack security folks.

[Barbara]

No dictator ever issued an unlawful order.

[Gun Geezer]

If you live in the US and are not active military you are in the militia.

[Barbara]

Not if you own ovaries. :neener:

[4v50 Gary]

Nope. I'd have to go to drill once a month and that's once a month too many. Besides, militia musters aren't what they use to be. The 19th Century militia muster were frolics where one took a day off from work, traded horses, pretend to have wage war, drink a lot, eat a lot and raise Cain. Now, if it was on company time and I was paid to go, you betcha. Especially if they were like the blackpowder rendezvous with all the games and food.

BTW, California does have an unpaid militia. Kentucky still has one and KFC's Col. Sanders was really a Kentucky Colonel. South Carolina still has one and I'm given to believe that graduates of The Citadel may receive a commission in it whether they elect to serve in the regular armed forces or not.

[mtbkski]

If you live in the US and are not active military you are in the militia.

Stop with that answer. It is a cop out for this thread.

If you want to use that one then answer this.

Who do you answer to when the SHTF?

Who is in charge?

Where do you report to?

I understand what your saying about all of us being the militia. But if you had to come to "active duty" since you are the militia. Where would you go and what would you do. If your just sitting in your house holding out, your not the militia. Your an armed citizen trying to survive whatever happens. ?

I just think these guys are thinking out of the box. You are too, cause you on this site. Don't close your mind to what someon else thinks is a good idea.

[ReadyAndVigilant]

Excellent point. Find out if your state has a legally authorized defense force -- if not, bug the hell out of your elected representatives to create one (the laws are already in place that authorize their existance). Find out who is the local commander... even if you dont join as a member of the "organized militia" it is still go information to have.

SDFs are mostly designed as cadres, to expand with state volunteers (or those called to service by the governor). Any observer will note that most SDFs are very top heavy, that is, they have a very high officer-to-soldier ratio. This is so that capable soldiers with appropriate ranks can supervise and train volunteers who flock after a disaster. Get to know these officers, they would be the ones to report to should the SHTF.

But, if SDF is not for you, check with the county sheriff... some counties have sheriff posses or local LEOs reserves. as stated earlier, even if you dont plan to join, get to know them -- these are the pillars of the community that could use the help if needed.

[glen walker]

Good going, Sol Cal Shooter!! I got a good laugh out of that!...

[Geronimo45]

Re: TX State Guard
They conduct missions such as crowd control and security at county fairs, disaster relief assistance among others.
I guess you get paid for that part of the job?
Curious if being a member of the TXSG would qualify you for the under-21 CHL business, too... or the serving-military price cut.
What can I say? I'm a cheapskate.

[mike101]

Voted yes (without peeking first) 'cause we're all in the militia. :cool:

[rickomatic]

Oddly enough. As I was copying my birth certificate (Georgia 1951) for my CMP M1 carbine order, I noticed a small box on it I'd never noticed before. Near the bottom was a box (not filled in) that was labled "Militia District". If they didn't fill that in at the hospital, does that mean that I'm not a member? :rolleyes:

[RPCVYemen]

I would really like to get involved with a Militia and not one that is Federally regulated.

What legal standiing does a "non-Federally regulated militia" have? If it later does become a supremicist group, or a number of of members conspire to commit a crime, do you have any liability?

Mike

[obxned]

I'm too old, and so are some of my guns.

[HiWayMan]

I am in the unorganized militia of Ohio........according to the Ohio Revised Code.


Just waiting to be organized.

From the Ohio Revised Code:
5923.01 Composition and organization of state militia; definitions; troop limitation.
(A) The Ohio organized militia consist of all citizens of the state who are not permanently handicapped, as handicapped is defined in section 4112.01 of the Revised Code, who are more than seventeen years, and not more than sixty-seven years, of age unless exempted as provided in section 5923.02 of the Revised Code, and who are members of one of the following:
(1) The Ohio national guard;
(2) The Ohio naval militia;
(3) The Ohio military reserve.
(B) The Ohio national guard, including both the Ohio air national guard and the Ohio army national guard, the Ohio naval militia, and the Ohio military reserve are known collectively as the Ohio organized militia.
(C) The Ohio naval militia and the Ohio military reserve are known collectively as the state defense forces.
(D) The unorganized militia consists of those citizens of the state as described in division (A) of this section who are not members of the Ohio organized militia.
(E) No troops shall be maintained in time of peace other than as authorized and prescribed under the "Act of August 10, 1956," 70A Stat. 596, 32 U.S.C.A. 101 to 716. This limitation does not affect the right of the state to the use of its organized militia within its borders in time of peace as prescribed by the laws of this state. This section does not prevent the organization and maintenance of police.

[Sharps-shooter]

I am not a member of a militia. I am a member of a family. A family with strong people and lots of guns. A family who can trap, hunt, forage, ride, and shoot straight. A family who teaches their children personal responsibility, civic duty, and self reliance. We are peaceful, productive members of our communities and our society. We work for the prosperity of the group. And if worse comes to worse, we will spear the @$$ of anyone who messes with us.

No ranks or fancy uniforms required.