[Mr White]

I was at a gun show today. There was a table that had several different types of FA conversion kits. M1 Carbine, M1A, AR-15 and FAL are some that I recall. The AR15 kit included a selector, a trigger, a hammer and a sear, I think. They were all priced under $100.

I asked the guy working the booth if they were legal. he said the parts were legal but the second you install them into a gun, then you had an illegal weapon and were technically a federal felon.

I asked him why I always heard talk of registered sears. He said that a loophole in federal law made the parts legal but the gun illegal.

Sounded like BS to me. I just had this picture of some poor fool buying a FA kit and being descended upon by ATF agents.

How exactly does that law work? Was he correct? Are the parts legal until they are installed in a gun?

[Sodbuster]

Sounded like BS to me.

It is. Possession is intent. That is, if we're talking M16 parts,e.g.

[RevolvingCylinder]

There's also what I think they call "collective possession" where you have ownership of the firearm and the parts in question and it is considered the same as having said parts installed.

[Guzzizzit]

If i understand you right, you were thinking that the guy selling the parts may have been part of an ATF Sting? And they were waiting for someone to buy them so they could arrest them? If that were the case, any lawyer worth his salt would make very quick work of the charge as Being entrapment.

Ussually the test used is called the "But For" test, (the crime wouldnt have happend BUT FOR the actions of the Law enforcement agency). In this case, with a Dealer (whom is suspected of being an ATF agent) openly and publicly offering illeagal parts for sale, if someone purchased one, it would be very easy to argue that the crime would not have occoured BUT FOR the actions of the ATF agent.Especialy if he tried to convince you it was legal.


I should note, i am not a lawyer, i dont play one on TV, and i didnt stay at a holiday inn last night. Your millage may vary.

[Nomad, 2nd]

Legal so long as you do NOT have the firearm they go in.

The seller gets away with it b/c they are 'Replacement parts' only.

[Happyshooter]

I am a business lawyer, so this isn't my field and I could be wrong.

Talking with the criminal guys, they say that the parts, when installed, are a machine gun.

The problem is that many federal "circuits" (multi state appeal areas) count having the part in the same building as the gun as being installed.

Then just buying them is sometimes "intent" depending on how the courts in your area feel.

Federal stings have very few limits on them. There was a case where a military retiree was on the mailing list for gay porn that was on the edge of being underage. The feds got mad at him for some reason, so for over a year they set up fake networks, penpals, and discussion groups, all pimping gay child porn along with regular gay porn, but he just wouldn't order child porn. They finally set up a gay action group and convinced him that ordering child porn was a political act to protest the oppression of his fellow gays. The court said the last act, just the political action group, was entrapment and every thing else was fine.

[Trebor]

Of course, if you have a registered, select-fire M-16, then you don't have to worry (as much) about having spare parts. Then they are obviously "replacement parts" for your registered gun.

Then again, I have heard guys argue that even if you have a registered gun, and replacement parts, you should NOT also have a semi-auto AR-15 so that the ATF won't be able to argue that you actually intended to use the spare parts to illegally convert your semi-automatic instead of as replacement parts for your registered gun. I don't know if that is really a concern or not.

[M2 Carbine]

I guarantee you that seller DID NOT have a M2 Carbine conversion kit. At most all he could legally have in his possession is some, but NOT ALL of the M2 parts.

There are about 6 M2 Carbine parts that are considered a M2 Carbine.
Possession of these parts, even if you don't own a M1 Carbine, will get you charged.

Many M1 Carbines, even the aftermarket Carbines, have M2 parts, slides, bolts, etc.
This is perfectly legal as long as you don't have all the M2 parts (in your possession).

The Selector and Spring and the Disconnecter have no use in a M1 Carbine and a Carbine owner would be wise not to have them around.

Another gun part that you better not have around, even if you don't own a semi auto UZI, is a "slotted" full auto bolt.
The full auto bolts are "slotted" so they can be used in a semi auto UZI, along with a few other parts, to make the semi into select fire.

The best thing to do is NOT have any full auto parts in your possession unless you have a completely legal reason to have them.

Remember, you are screwing around with a federal agency that can kill you dead and won't even have to say, Sorry about that.

[MRIman]

Sounds like you were at the Harrisburg show today!!!
Saw that myself. Being a NY person,I just look and drool
at the class 3 stuff. Some day I'll get out of NY and "have some fun".
Can't help on your question,sorry.

MRI

[Mr White]

Guzzizzit, That is my suspicion. I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that entrapment occurs when the police/feds con/coerce/lead you into doing something you wouldn't normally do. Presenting an opportunity for you to break the law isn't entrapment. That's why undercover drug stings work so well. They just put the opporunity out there and let the criminals do what they do best, break the law.

M2 Carbine, I guarantee you that several of the bags of parts WERE INDEED labelled M1 Carbine. Legal or not, that's what the bags said.

MRIman, Yes I was. I did a lot of drooling myself today. I also did a lot of shaking my head in disbelief at the ridiculous prices that most vendors were asking for very average guns. I sold a couple Finn M28s and my biggest purchases were 500 rounds of Winchester 9mm, 500 Hornady 69 gr match bullets and a couple pounds of H4895.

[AZTOY]

The best thing to do is NOT have any full auto parts in your possession unless you have a completely legal reason to have them.

What about AK part kits? The AK kits come with full auto parts .

[Guzzizzit]

Guzzizzit, That is my suspicion. I'm no lawyer, but my understanding is that entrapment occurs when the police/feds con/coerce/lead you into doing something you wouldn't normally do. Presenting an opportunity for you to break the law isn't entrapment. That's why undercover drug stings work so well. They just put the opporunity out there and let the criminals do what they do best, break the law.

From My LEO training, i can tell you that for a drug sting to hold, the Offender MUST ask the Under cover officer for the drugs, the officer Cannot offer to sell them. Thats why its RARE to have an officer poseing as a drug dealer. Ussually the under cover officer will be the buyer.

The situation would be the same here. If the ATF was interested in makeing busts for illegal weapons parts, they would most likley pose an agent as a buyer, and target the dealers of illegal parts.

As for the legality of the parts themselves, i cannot comment.

[hagar]

Rob a bank, you will probably be out in 5. Possess an illegal machine gun, about the same time Charles Manson gets out.

Gun shows should be approached with a lot of suspicion. Don't ever yell "fire", "I have a bomb" or "can I make a machinegun with this?" where anybody but yourself is present!

Another thing about gun shows, do not ever buy a gun there, and then have somebody else come up to you and offer you a ridiculous amount of money for it, and sell it to them. There is some obscure law that buying and selling a firearm within a certain time period (I think 24 hours) is considered dealing without a license. There are ATF agents at gun shows, and they are out to get somebody. They have to justify their salaries somehow, and if that means getting some poor Joe Smuck on a trumped up charge, they just don't care. Don't let it be you.

[M2 Carbine]

M2 Carbine, I guarantee you that several of the bags of parts WERE INDEED labelled M1 Carbine. Legal or not, that's what the bags said.


The bags could have contained any number of M2 parts but NOT all of the required parts.

What the parts dealers have been doing since the 80's is selling all of the M2 parts except one or two, for instance the disconnecter.
Then there will be another dealer that has the disconnecter but doesn't have say the Selectors.
All perfectly legal, as long as the person doesn't possess all the parts.

I've bought M1 Carbines that contain all M2 parts, except a couple. Still perfectly legal.
BUT depending on what that dealer called a M2 conversion, if I were to buy that bag and it contained the couple parts that are missing from that Carbine, at that minute I have in my possession an illegal select fire M2 Carbine.

I would be willing to bet that M2 Conversion bag lacked either the Disconnecter or Selector and spring.

Since many M1 Carbines already contain M2 Trigger housings, M2 Slides, M2 hammers and sears, a owner could be in big trouble if he came into possession of a Disconnecter and Selector and Spring.

I suspect the ATF could easily make a case even if the selector was missing because the M1 Carbine can easily be made full auto without the selector.

The Carbine is different from say the AK. As far as I know you can posses all the FA AK parts (but I'm not sure).
You CAN NOT possess all the M2 Carbine parts, that the ATF says is the conversion kit.

These half dozen parts still aren't enough to make the M1 select fire. It requires several more parts.

I'd like to see what was in those bags. M2 parts are getting harder to get.:)

[Nomad, 2nd]

AK's are Ok b/c the semi AK recievers don't have a couple holes... if you drill those holes... THEN your in trouble.

-That's all I'm saying, I'm not a lawyer... seek legal advise, don't do nuttin bad...

[M2 Carbine]

AZTOY
Quote:
The best thing to do is NOT have any full auto parts in your possession unless you have a completely legal reason to have them.

What about AK part kits? The AK kits come with full auto parts .

I don't know about the AK but I'd think it's like the UZI.

I've seen the UZI kits that have FA parts, including a FA bolt.

I have a semi UZI and know how to convert them to select fire.
It appears that with the knowledge and one of those UZI kits a semi can be converted to select fire in about an hour.
Personally I won't have ANY of those AK or UZI full auto parts around.
The M2 Carbine is different since I have a legal M2.:)

[never_retreat]

Remember the old saying. If it walks like a duck and flies like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck. :scrutiny: If in doubt about the person in question, Just ask the person are you a Law enforcment officer? A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not. This was told to me by and old friend and retired cop. I'm shure this probaly still the law. It all falls under the entraptment thing.
Just my 2 cents. Is there a lawyer in the house that could chime in on this.

[cassandrasdaddy]

believed this
"Remember the old saying. If it walks like a duck and flies like a duck and quacks like a duck it might be a duck. If in doubt about the person in question, Just ask the person are you a Law enforcment officer? A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not. This was told to me by and old friend and retired cop. I'm shure this probaly still the law. It all falls under the entraptment thing.
Just my 2 cents. Is there a lawyer in the house that could chime in on this."

[SWModel19]

Another thing about gun shows, do not ever buy a gun there, and then have somebody else come up to you and offer you a ridiculous amount of money for it, and sell it to them. There is some obscure law that buying and selling a firearm within a certain time period (I think 24 hours) is considered dealing without a license. There are ATF agents at gun shows, and they are out to get somebody. Wow. That exact thing happened to me the only time I've ever purchased at a gun show. I was walking out with two NIB Rugers (mini-14 and mini-thirty) when some guy offers to buy them from me. I was walking kinda fast and wasn't interested, so he never even got to an amount before I pointed to the booth I had just come from and said "they'll give you a good deal if you want both - they just gave me a good deal." And I kept walking. There was no way I was gonna sell something I had just bought. Now I know not to do it at all.:what:


Just ask the person are you a Law enforcment officer? A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not. Ok, my only point of reference on this is numerous episodes of Cops where they do prostitution or drug stings. The cops always answer no. Any cops or lawyers care to comment on this one?

[Aguila Blanca]

I suspect the ATF could easily make a case even if the selector was missing because the M1 Carbine can easily be made full auto without the selector.When I was in the Army many years ago, my 1st Sergeant showed me how to convert an M1 Carbine to full auto using a short length of dog tag chain.

Thankfully (?), I have long since forgotten how this was accomplished, and I don't own an M1 Carbine anyway. But it can be done.

[MatthewVanitas]

If in doubt about the person in question, Just ask the person are you a Law enforcment officer? A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not. This was told to me by and old friend and retired cop.

Nope.

Check out http://www.snopes.com/risque/hookers/cop.asp

As much as folks make fun of the misinformation you hear on the net, it somehow can't compare with the far worse misinformation predating the net.

-MV

[Erebus]

A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not.

There are alot of undercovers that wouldn't have lived long if this were true.

[Glockfan.45]

AK's are Ok b/c the semi AK recievers don't have a couple holes... if you drill those holes... THEN your in trouble.

-That's all I'm saying, I'm not a lawyer... seek legal advise, don't do nuttin bad...

The same can be said for the AR as well. However I have never seen M16 auto sears for sale that didnt require a copy of your form 4 to purchase, so I assumed they were illegal unless you actually owned a legal M16. All I can say is better safe than sorry. If you get a itch to buy a bag of FA parts, or even worse one of those "pre 81" drop in auto sears dont do it. It is no way shape or form worth the risk.

When my AK parts kit came in the mail the first thing I did was toss the FA parts in the trash. Keeping that sort of stuff around is just bad mojo.

[lee n. field]

I asked the guy working the booth if they were legal. he said the parts were legal but the second you install them into a gun, then you had an illegal weapon and were technically a federal felon.


I think (insert standard IANAL disclaimer here) you're OK as long as you don't the gun the FA parts are for.

[Dr. Dickie]

Since many M1 Carbines already contain M2 Trigger housings, M2 Slides, M2 hammers and sears, a owner could be in big trouble if he came into possession of a Disconnecter and Selector and Spring.


So, you could possibly buy two M1 Carbines, from two different people and between the two you might have the parts to make an M2 and be illegal (no matter how unlikely).
Crips, that is ridiculous.

[meef]

Just ask the person are you a Law enforcment officer? A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not.:D :D :D

Of course he can not and will not lie to you. That would at the least be so unethical.

And he won't lie on the stand either. "Uh no, your Honor, the defendant most definitely did not ask me whether I was a law enforcement officer when he bought that bag of parts. Huh-uh. Nope. So help me God."

:D :D :D

Hey. While we're at it, I've got this bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you for a really good price.

And I ain't lyin' either.

:cool:

[DMK]

Wow. That exact thing happened to me the only time I've ever purchased at a gun show. I was walking out with two NIB Rugers (mini-14 and mini-thirty) when some guy offers to buy them from me. I was walking kinda fast and wasn't interested, so he never even got to an amount before I pointed to the booth I had just come from and said "they'll give you a good deal if you want both - they just gave me a good deal." And I kept walking. There was no way I was gonna sell something I had just bought. Now I know not to do it at all.I always thought those guys were just felons or underage or otherwise couldn't pass a NICs background check.

[Hkmp5sd]

There is some obscure law that buying and selling a firearm within a certain time period (I think 24 hours) is considered dealing without a license.

This is so obsure, I've never heard of it. Can you point out this law? I've read the federal laws and Florida laws inside out, front and backwards and don't recall ever hearing this.

The only time restriction I am aware of is the one that requires dealers wanting to sell personal firearms to have them in their personal collection for 1 year before they can sell them without doing the dealer paperwork.

[M2 Carbine]

Today, 08:52 AM #25
Dr. Dickie
, FL
Posts: 810 Quote:
Since many M1 Carbines already contain M2 Trigger housings, M2 Slides, M2 hammers and sears, a owner could be in big trouble if he came into possession of a Disconnecter and Selector and Spring.

So, you could possibly buy two M1 Carbines, from two different people and between the two you might have the parts to make an M2 and be illegal (no matter how unlikely).
Crips, that is ridiculous.


Not likely.

There are three parts that have NO USE in a M1 Carbine. The Selector/Spring and the Disconnecter.

ALL other M2 parts can function in place of M1 parts.
Chances are the M1 Carbine that you owners possess contain one or more M2 parts.

It's highly unlikely but possible that a M1 Carbine could contain a Disconnecter but that would require a M2 hammer. This would still be legal.
As I said earlier I did once buy a M1 that had EVERY M2 part except the Selector/Spring. So the rifle was still legal.
First chance I got I replaced most of the M2 parts with M1 parts.

Bottom line is,
under no circumstances will you buy a M1 Carbine that has a Selector/Spring installed (legally). The Selector can't be installed unless the Carbine has the other required M2 parts installed.

But, what can get you in trouble is if you bought that "bag of conversion parts" and it contains the Selector/Spring and or Disconnecter that your Carbine requires to make select fire.
Effectively, the minute that you buy those parts you are in possession of a illegal machine gun.
(if between what's already in your Carbine at home and what's in the bag contains all the parts that the ATF says you should not have in your position)

That's why I say, unless you have a legal full auto Carbine, DO NOT have a Selector/Spring and Disconnecter IN YOUR POSSESSION if you own a M1 Carbine.
Those parts have no use in a M1 Carbine, except to make it (illegally) full auto.

I would bet the farm that if the BATF wanted they could easily get a conviction on someone that owned a M1 Carbine and had a Disconnector and Selector/Spring in their spare parts box.:mad:

[SWModel19]

This is so obsure, I've never heard of it. Having thought about this, my guess is that if it is true, they'd probably get you on a straw purchase, even though you DID buy it for yourself, but couldn't turn down a profit ten minutes later.

[Guzzizzit]

If in doubt about the person in question, Just ask the person are you a Law enforcment officer? A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not. This was told to me by and old friend and retired cop. I'm shure this probaly still the law. It all falls under the entraptment thing.
Just my 2 cents. Is there a lawyer in the house that could chime in on this.

This is NOT Nor has it ever been true, tho drug dealers and hookers seem to still believe it.

[oldfart]

Approaching a gun show several years ago I just happened to see a young guy standing by the open door of an unmarked but 'official' looking car. He was talking to someone inside it and just as I walked by the "someone" handed him a stack of money.
Later, as I was talking to a vendor who I'd done business with before, this same young man walked up and began looking at an SKS. During a lull in our conversation, he very pointedly asked the vendor how to make it fire full-auto.
I jumped in and said that any semi could be converted to full-auto if the owner wanted to spend enough money and that better information on the subject could be found at the book selling tables. He put the SKS down and walked away talking to himself. Later, I realized he was probably wearing a "wire" and talkling to the guy in the car.
Big Brother does work that way and if you're observant enough you might just catch him ay it.

[General Geoff]

If you're feeling particularly peppy, just announce over the loudspeaker at the event: ATTENTION ATF AGENTS, there is a man who is soliciting full auto conversion kits at table xxx. Thank you.

[gm]

The m1 conversion is very easy though not something I would attempt.Theres no reward worth that.


Look for 2 guys hanging around the parking lot just watching people coming in and out.:D or the older "looks like he slept under a bridge"guy selling multiple guns from the back of his truck who promises you a deal for 3 or 4 at a time but you have to go outside to his truck to get them.If its too good to be true, it is.

[MudPuppy]

A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not.

Dude, some police officers have shown up to "chat" with beer under there arm and after a few have gotten confessions. I hope criminals believe that cops "have to tell the truth".

Let me see if I got this straight--

If you have "all" the M2 FA parts, but no gun, it is illegal...however,
If you own all the M16 FA parts, but no gun, it is legal...however,
If you own all the AK-47 parts and a Semi AK--but without the rail cutout or third pin hole, that is legal...

I feel dumberer.

[Hkmp5sd]

they'd probably get you on a straw purchase, even though you DID buy it for yourself, but couldn't turn down a profit ten minutes later.

I don't see how that would fly either. If you had never met them before, there is no way you could have known before you bought the gun that someone was going to offer you a lot of money to buy it 10 minutes later.

It does not meet the definition of a straw purchase and selling one gun for more than you paid for it doesn't constitute dealing without a license. They allow a C&R to buy multiple copies of a gun with his license, select the best for his collection and then sell the others, even at a profit.

This sounds like another gun show urban legend.

[Mr White]

Yep, sounds like a goat**** alright.

Is it illegal to posess an index fnger that has ben modified, through exercise, to allow it to squeeze a trigger really fast?

[Hkmp5sd]

If due to excercise only, it's legal. If it is a bionic or mechanical finger, you're in deep poo-poo. :)

[M2 Carbine]

MudPuppy
Senior Member
Let me see if I got this straight--

If you have "all" the M2 FA parts, but no gun, it is illegal...however,
If you own all the M16 FA parts, but no gun, it is legal...however,
If you own all the AK-47 parts and a Semi AK--but without the rail cutout or third pin hole, that is legal...

I feel dumberer.

I don't know about the AK or M16 but I do know about the M2.
You do not even have to have ALL of the M2 parts to be breaking the law, just the few parts that the BATF says constitutes a M2 kit.

For instance you can't make a M1 Carbine FA without a M2 trigger housing, but the M2 trigger housing is not on the ATF's list.
I'm not going to say what the list is because a person can't Legally make a M2 Carbine or M2 Conversion Kit anymore.
As I've said, if you don't possess a Disconnecter or Selector/Spring you don't have a M2 Carbine or Conversion kit.

The UZI is another case where just a part is illegal to own, whether or not you have a UZI.
That's a "slotted bolt". If you have a (unregistered) slotted FA UZI bolt in your possession you can be in big trouble.


I suppose, if you can find any sense in the restrictive BATF rules about the M2 Carbine parts and the UZI bolt, it's because these guns can be converted to factory quality select fire (by a knowledgeable person) in a matter of minutes by just installing the parts.
So, just having the selected parts in your possession, whether or not you have a gun, is about the same as having a whole unregistered FA gun in your possession.

As far as I know guns like the AK and AR still require some amount of drilling or machine work to make them select fire.

[Amish_Bill]

It never ceases to amaze me.... all these people posting "facts" willy-nilly without even going back to check the smell coming from the horse's mouth... :banghead:

US Code via FindLaw (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/26/subtitles/e/chapters/53/subchapters/b/parts/i/sections/section%5F5845.html)

(b) Machinegun
The term "machinegun" means any weapon which shoots, is designed
to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more
than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of
the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of
any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and
exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use
in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of
parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in
the possession or under the control of a person.

Lets look at a few details pertinent to this thread:
The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon,
or
any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, (for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun)
or
combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun
or
any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person

To recap:
Having a machinegun receiver = having a machinegun.
Having a single part that will enable FA fire = having a machinegun
Having a set of parts that will enable FA fire = having a machinegun
Having all the parts to build a machinegun = having a machiinegun. (this seems redundant to me, but hey - we're talking about government)

SO.... No, having a full set of M16 fire control parts, even if your AR will not accept an autosear, or even if you don't own an AR, is possesion of a machinegun in their eyes.

[Dave in PA]

....It's highly possible that they were legal replacement parts. PA is a Class III state. There are more Class III dealers popping up here and there. 10 years ago there was only one that I knew of in a 50 mile drive, now there are at least 4 within a 30 mile drive! Now if I could only justify one for myself!

[bratch]

When my AK parts kit came in the mail the first thing I did was toss the FA parts in the trash. Keeping that sort of stuff around is just bad mojo.

I've got a couple Romanian kits with the G2 trigger. Do I have any of the FA parts left in the kits?

[M2 Carbine]

To recap:
Having a machinegun receiver = having a machinegun.
Having a single part that will enable FA fire = having a machinegun
Having a set of parts that will enable FA fire = having a machinegun
Having all the parts to build a machinegun = having a machiinegun. (this seems redundant to me, but hey - we're talking about government)

SO.... No, having a full set of M16 fire control parts, even if your AR will not accept an autosear, or even if you don't own an AR, is possesion of a machinegun in their eyes.


"Will" is not used in the definition of a machine gun.
The term used is "parts designed and intended".
The part or parts do not actually have to make the gun fire FA (on their own). All they have to do is be "designed and intended" to make the gun a machine gun.

The Slotted FA UZI bolt, for example, WILL NOT by itself make a UZI operate FA, but the bolt by itself is illegal to own because the "slot" was designed to make a semi auto UZI a machine gun.

And what the BATF considers the M2 Carbine conversion parts set WILL NOT make a M1 Carbine fire FA unless the gun has a number of other M2 parts installed, but those handful of designated parts are still illegal to own.

Even though many M1 Carbines have parts that were intended for FA and SA use, they weren't "designed and intended solely" to make the gun FA.

That's where the Disconnecter and Selector/Spring come in and why I keep saying if you don't have a registered M2 Carbine don't have one of those "bags of conversion parts around".

[thexrayboy]

If in doubt about the person in question, Just ask the person are you a Law enforcment officer? A cop or atf or whatever can not lie and tell you he is not. This was told to me by and old friend and retired cop. I'm shure this probaly still the law. It all falls under the entraptment thing.



Funny how LEO at any level are allowed to lie about anything and everything
as often as they wish and if they succeed in fooling a citizen the reward for that act is a criminal charge for the citizen and a pat on the back for the officers who lied. If a citizen lies to LEO they get charged and if convicted go to prison. Just ask Martha Stewart about that one. Isn't it nice to be able to make rules that everyone has to follow except those who make up the rules. :barf:

[AZTOY]

I've got a couple Romanian kits with the G2 trigger. Do I have any of the FA parts left in the kits?

Most likely ............


The 2 Rom G kits i bought came with the FA parts.

But i took the grinder to the FA parts and put them in the trash!:(

[Neo-Luddite]

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[M2 Carbine]

Just one last thing.

Personally I doubt that, that seller was a ATF sting.
There are more effective ways to entrap gun owners than that. Ask Randy Weaver.

Some of you are talking about whether a sting might be legal, hold up in court, etc.
It DOESN'T MATTER if what the Feds, ATF, IRS, etc, does to you is legal or not, because they are ALWAYS the winners and you always lose.

Even if you are found not guilty or are not even taken to court, you will suffer emotionally and you may be paying legal fees for years.
While at the same time the people that do this to you are just having a normal work day collecting their pay checks and brownie points.

So the best thing you can do is stay away from machine gun parts and anything else related to guns that's the least bit in question of being legal.


As for the M1 Carbine. This is what the disconnecter and selector switch look like.
Do not get caught with these in your possession. If you happen to have these in your spare parts box, give them to a registered M2 Carbine owner or drop them in the river.
The disconnecter is installed in the trigger housing next to the hammer. If on the very unlikely chance that there's a disconnecter in your Carbine, remove it and replace it with a flat washer. You'll see how.

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