[spacemanspiff]

thats on a closed forum. i started it in a message board created to post advice. obviously, my advice was to prepare mentally and physically to defend oneself.
this has led to a couple people stating that we "should have compassion for all", and in short, NOT resort to deadly force.

another person posted the following, and this is what has stumped me:

"but take it UP a level, ok? If i am realized, i SEE what causes rape, i see the energy flows that create it. And then, i am no longer susptable to it. If we are going to evolve, we have to let the victim mentality go..but that doesnt in anyway mean being passive, ok? It means we have to see deeper into the cause of all this ????. And, in seeing, we can then effectively manouver thru it. We have to get away from an imposed moral code... meaning..taking resonsibility for being who we are to ourselves, and not ever rely on anything outside ourselves to dictate who we are. We have to increase awareness, and in that i would see that rapist a mile away and avoid him. As i clear my energy body from attatchments i begin to create the world i want. You are close to seeing this..look at it again, and ponder it without being defensive. If we are in control of our life, able to manipulate matter, we no longer have to defend it....we just live it in the moment, constantly in the moment, becuase that is where all the power resides. We would not succumb to that rapist, becuase we have come to understand what annialation is....we have lost our fear of death. This is a path that requires true courage, and on it we are warriors."

sooooo, we should become psychic and use that to avoid violent criminals?

here is that persons first comments on this topic:
"it is that I, as an individual person can change MY destiny. You seem to be reacting to a fear of being a victim, and are therefore victimized by that fear. Transform the fear, no need to defend.. because living in integrity, as love, requires no defense, it simply IS. I see nothing of the scenario that you are describing that is capable to survive..its all dead, and waiting to crumble. Both sides of the issure you are speaking of are doomed. As we stand in compassion, we have no fear, and survival becomes a non-issue. BEING is the only issue."


whiskey tango foxtrot?

[George Hill]

This person has smoked to much of the Peace Pipe.

Perls before Swine... don't bother.

[jmbg29]

To tell you the truth, I usually avoid reading things written by people that don't capitalize the pronoun "I". It makes my head hurt.

[spacemanspiff]

i know, dont you hate it when people dont use proper speling and grammer?
:evil:

[RAY WOODROW 3RD]

I don't know what to tell you.

Being a Christian, I do not fear death either because in my beliefs, when I die, I know where I am going. There is no doubt in my mind BUT I will defend myself and my family because I am a firm believer in the fact that "The LORD helps those that help themselves." The LORD allowed me to be self aware. To know that there are bad people out there and it is my #1 priority to protect my family by whatever means necessary FIRST and my self second. If you believe and read the Bible you would understand.

As for his spiritual this or that and how "you will know" when you are approaching a rapist in order to avoid him etc etc etc is crazy. I'm not worried about the aura of the person I see coming but I worry about the guy with the tire iron behind the building where my "aura reader" doesn't work! Am I in fear? No, but I am aware that this could happen and I take whatever precautions to minimalize that chance encouter from happening. If he feels this way then fine. You "aura read" over there and I'll reload over here! As long as you do not try to take my right to self defense away, do as you please Ghandi.

[Hutch]

I was pretty much agog, reading that. It almost sounds like some Green Party manifesto. I sincerely hope noone shatters this poor lamb's understanding of human nature. I don't believe anyone has the words to change this person. If they are ever transported back to this dimension, I hope the shock doesn't kill 'em.

[Standing Wolf]

Transform the fear, no need to defend.. because living in integrity, as love, requires no defense, it simply IS.

Gibberish.

[FPrice]

New age psycho-babble. I have seen and heard a lot of this. Their catch is that all you have to do is believe and try it and we would see.

You CANNOT reason with them because they are beyond reason. They are "true believers", that is, they know the cosmic truth and you don't.

If you want the exercise you can try to debate them, but I doubt it will do much good.

[Geech]

As long as you do not try to take my right to self defense away, do as you please Ghandi.

The above line is the best way to deal with this guy. Brilliant, Ray. ;)

[cordex]

As I am not outfitted with M-426 Ethereal Energy Observation and Manipulation Equipment: Individual, I am forced to use whatever base mental acuity and man-made tools that I possess to work my way out of situations involving assault on my person and those under my protection. Anyone who would meditate instead of grabbing the nearest 2x4/gun/blade/laser designator while their body/child/spouse/friend is being violated and/or destroyed doesn't rank to high on my "List of People Cordex Wants to Spend Time With" list.

[Preacherman]

i SEE what causes rape, i see the energy flows that create it.Yep, and I have just the energy producer to disrupt those energy flows. Preferably in a caliber beginning with the figure "4".

As i clear my energy body from attatchments i begin to create the world i want. Yep... if any scumbag tries to attach himself to me, I reckon I can do something very concrete about breaking that attachment. Preferably in a caliber beginning with the figure "4".

If we are in control of our life, able to manipulate matter, we no longer have to defend itYep... I manipulate matter comprising polymer and steel (with just a smidgin of gunpowder and lead), and it does a pretty good job of defending me.

We would not succumb to that rapist, becuase we have come to understand what annialation is....Yes, indeedy - I shall annihilate the rapist, then I don't have to worry about succumbing to him!

Will those do for a start, Spiff? :D

[Stickjockey]

DUCT TAPE ALERT!!! DUCT TAPE ALERT!!!!

Must...find...duct tape....head...going to......explode....must....
retain......pieces....for..subsequent...repair....

[Thumper]

Why are you concerned with this monkey? Let him wallow in it.

[RAY WOODROW 3RD]

YOU HAVE ME ROLLING AND LAUGHING IN TEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[scottgun]

How about a punch in the face to bring their exotential reality into focus. Seriously, it all sounds well and good until something really does happen to you. Their lofty ideals won't protect them from physical violence.

[ojibweindian]

You wanna make a "believer" out of this guy, come after him with a ball bat while screaming "Yes brother, I FEEL THE LOVE!".

[Don Gwinn]

You can't engage this woman in a debate. She's not debating with you. She is telling you about her spiritual faith system. There is no logic behind this, nor, in truth, need there be.


Just tell her the truth: that you don't share her faith and religious fervor and so must stick to more mechanical methods of achieving the same thing. Then wish her well and don't look back. She may or may not be offended that you describe her beliefs as religious faith, but essentially that's what they are, and a primitive type at that. She is essentially advocating that you wish really, really hard not to be a victim.

[bd]

The problem here is this woman does not personalize the possibility of violent crime (ie, what if a rapist sodomized her son/daughter or even her?). Everything is so "theory" based, no real life in it at all....When, in reality, if she faced and survived rape, she would probably be the most pro gun woman on the planet. But, based on the quotes you had, she is unreachable. I truly hope she does not have to learn the hard way, but hey, if she does, so be it. It is called USA, you can defend yourself or not, she chooses not to, suffer the consequences.....

In my experience, people that have these kind of views have extremely sheltered lives.

Just my .02....

God bless,
blackdog

[spacemanspiff]

i'll give it another go tomorrow...thanks for the help.

[Rebeldon]

Sounds like some strange form of Christian Science. Ask him, or her, if he is a Christian Scientist.

[capt_happypants]

The politically incorrect response: "Failure to stop! Mozambique his ???!"

[CZ-75]

Usually, when one is faced with a load of crap this large, one should take up gardening. ;)


Seriously, not being spiritual, this person's statements could've been written by someone from another planet. The language may be English (barely), but the thought process behind it eludes me.

[spacemanspiff]

uhhhhgggg.... they fell back on "guns were only built for one thing: killing!"

and one advocated martial arts as a defensive technique, even said such training could allow them to 'avoid being shot' and 'avoid being hit with a bat/pipe'. plus all the 'living in fear' tripe.
i'm done with those idiots.

[cordex]

uhhhhgggg.... they fell back on "guns were only built for one thing: killing!"

and one advocated martial arts as a defensive technique, even said such training could allow them to 'avoid being shot' and 'avoid being hit with a bat/pipe'. plus all the 'living in fear' tripe.
i'm done with those idiots.
Now hold on ...
What the bloody heck do they think martial arts were designed to do? Driving a forearm into someone's throat isn't conducive to helping someone stay in the land of the living. Can the various martial arts be used for less-violent, less-lethal applications or even entertainment? Sure, but I can state with authority that they weren't created to provide a calm and understanding environment to help an attacker become a better person.

The use of firearms can be a martial art. Tell 'em to look up the definition some time.

[MrAcheson]

Bah! All they are uttering is psychobabble humanist spiritualist craptrap. My advice is don't throw pearls before swine.

[pax]

spacemanspiff,

If you are seriously looking to answer these folks in a manner which might get them to listen to you, try using some of the talking points from http://www.starseedcreations.com/words/rkba/tao_of_gun.html

I'm pretty sure they're more likely to listen if you speak their language.

pax

We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart. -- H. L. Mencken

[spacemanspiff]

get some saran wrap to put over your keyboards, the following may induce vomiting:


Everything is made up of energy, electromagnetic energy. As we look into what we see out there in life, we can become trapped in the superficial nature of things, or we can look deeper into the level where it is all energy. Upon awakening to our energetic state, we see that energy is goverened by different rules than we thought. We see that things like morality have no value to the impersonal state of energy. The more we see, we come to understand that emotions are magnetic in quality, they are sticky. They tend to get stuck in our energy body if we dont know how to unclear them. To clear them up means to feel them, and let them go, putting us back in that neutral state of pure energy being. That state of being is our natural place, and in that state we are protected, becuase we are in what some call a state of grace, or perhpas a state of no-defense. We just ARE. So. What i have learned is that the reason bad things happen to good people is that there is somthing stuck in their energy body that is attracting;fear attracts to itself that which it is afriad of. This is in no way a judgement, as all of this information is impersonal....we are only talking about manipulating energy here, yes? If we want to "defend" ourselves, to be safe, to be able to lead a clear, free life, we have to learn to see our energy states, and clear up what is there, so as not to unconsciously attract that which we fear. This is entirely possible to do. And in my experience the only true way to be a warrior. When we are caught in the unconsciousness of fear, it sets up a feedback system that reverberates again and again, and we react again and again, and it escaltes. That is what you are describing in the world...all the insanity. To be conscious of that means we are no longer victim to it, because we see our own part we play in that insanity, and learn to free ourselves from it.
I have no doubt that we, as modern humans, are going into a battle here, spiff. I think we will have to be painting our faces blue like braveheart soon, and meet with battle. It is just we have these awakened teachings to guide us now, why not stretch to learn them? As you learn to weild your gun, might it not be a higher option to also learn to weild your own consciousness as well? Talk about a fire-extinguisher..being fully awake is a force to be reckoned with, a force that in the end will lead us to a victory.
This is age old wisdom, not new age baloney..it lacks courage. I see you are a protector of life, and willing to act. I would just suggest learning as much as you can about your own self, so your acts are made with intent, rather than a reaction to an illusion. :)

like others have said, pearsl before swine...

[Beav]

:barf:

[Preacherman]

Everything is made up of energy, electromagnetic energy.
You know, last time I checked, there was some flesh and blood and bone involved as well... :scrutiny:
What i have learned is that the reason bad things happen to good people is that there is somthing stuck in their energy body that is attracting;fear attracts to itself that which it is afriad of.
Er... no, not exactly. In a war situation, the reason bad things happened to me is that the guys on the other side were trying to kill me. In a mugging situation, it's because the scumbags wanted my wallet (I hope they didn't want my body!!! :eek: ).
If we want to "defend" ourselves, to be safe, to be able to lead a clear, free life, we have to learn to see our energy states, and clear up what is there, so as not to unconsciously attract that which we fear. This is entirely possible to do. And in my experience the only true way to be a warrior.
Er... no, not exactly. In my experience (limited admittedly to literally dozens of armed encounters over the course of an 18-year civil war, plus a few mugging attempts since coming to the USA, plus dealing on a daily basis with over 1,500 high-security convicts), if I want to defend myself, energy states have damn-all to do with it - preparedness, awareness, and the willingness to do unto the other SOB before he can do unto me, have quite a lot to do with my survival and continued good health! If I wander around the prison yard worrying about the inmates' energy levels, I'm likely to be a dead worrier, as opposed to a live warrior!

[Strings]

... where exactly did you run across the Scientologist?

Reminds me of the girl who, when asked if it would be proper to intercede in an attempted rape, stated "well... maybe that's her (the victim's) karma"

:barf: :barf: :barf:

[spacemanspiff]

okay, this is more than ironic.... this person who spouts scientologist ideas? is a member of the toolarmy online community (made up of fans of the band TOOL), and tool has been very vocal about how they despise l ron hubbard and others like him.
oddly enough, many in that community are anti-gun.

[MJRW]

It seems you have found a treasure trove of idiots. These little nests of stupidity are often found on the internet, but not quite in what I imagine to be the abundance you have found. Do not simply throw that away. That site sounds like a paradise for a good troll. I recommend trolling and frequently. But you must hide your true being. Disguise the energy of the troll so that they may think you are one of them. Allow me to make some recommendations:

1. Avoid proper grammar like the plague. This is often a sign of education. Additionally, if you have the ability to think about complex subjects, basic grammar comes naturally. You don't want them to know you have the ability to think about complex subjects. Don't scare them with grammar.

2. Quote odd sources and never provide the reference. Additionally, take opinion and offer it, no, vomit it, spew it forward as though it is a fact so obvious as to not merit support.

3. Add inane phrases. Some highly recommended ones include:

lolz
zoz
roflmaoawasldfkj
...
[;]
nomsain?

4. Make the proper spelling mistakes:

Help = halP!
you = yuo
the = teh
me = meh
Use "z" instead of an "s" where possible.

Enjoy this while you can. Once you have their confidence, then you can start talking about "the SigZawer fourty cal!! its shots nice for meh...zoz!" Eventually they will understand.

Good luck and happy trolling.