Orange Camo BDUs...WHY?
Skunkabilly
June 10, 2003, 08:07 PM
http://www.dandfoutfitters.com/catalog/images/item285.jpg
What the heck kind of utility do these BDUs have? I can see how desert, woodland, OD would be handy...but...what the heck is up with these, so you can get hot dog condiments on yourself at a ball game and no one would notice? :rolleyes:
And what's up with the blue ones?
These look pretty cool though :D
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Hand_Rifle_Guy
June 10, 2003, 08:20 PM
Dunno 'bout the blue ones, but the orange camo's fer huntin'.
Deer'r colorblind, so the camo works. Hunters aren't, so the orange works. Win-win, in theory.
Open for suggestions on the blue. Would like to know m'self.
Skunkabilly
June 10, 2003, 08:26 PM
Ah that makes sense. My dad can't tell the difference between pink and green...maybe I should get some pink camo!
Kruzr
June 10, 2003, 08:31 PM
Drive along the east coast in the fall and you'll see where orange camo would work.....even for those not color challenged. :)
Boats
June 10, 2003, 08:36 PM
They're for tactical escapes while hiding amongst the orange clad prisoners at the LA County Jail?
They're for tactical firefights in Florida orange groves?
They're uniforms for the future Illinois toll crasher chase units so that they can better tactically hide behind large traffic cones?
The Coast Guard finally went tactical? (Might also explain blue?)
I give up.
sm
June 10, 2003, 08:43 PM
Why Orange? Hunting of course. Now the pink ones down here in the South...are for target practice (ya'll ain't from 'here-huh).;)
Another reason, for a lot of stuff: If one builds/makes it they will buy it. like fishing lures-95% are for catching fishermen--not fish.
Slap a catchy name on it and reel in the money--applies to anything.
The Kidd
June 10, 2003, 08:59 PM
Hi Skunk,
The blue ones are"urban camoflage". Really
Feanaro
June 10, 2003, 09:03 PM
Deers, as have been mentioned, can't tell if you are wearing pink, blue or orange. People can though. It's to keep you alive while allowing you to make the deer dead. ;)
Nippy
June 10, 2003, 09:09 PM
Feanaro said it best.
But before I read his post I was about to say that Orange has lower emissivity than black,blue, white so you wouldn't show up as bright in a Infrared Camera. Guess I was thinking toooooo Tactical LoL! :D
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Navy joe
June 10, 2003, 09:10 PM
That orange would not satisfy blaze orange requirements for hunting. It would however disappear in a deciduous woods during fall, probably better than std woodland. I like Alpenflage better or maybe Marpat if I could lay hands on some. Some of the realtree leaf patters look good too. Tigerstripe? More for looks than for hiding. Like GI woodland it is too dark and offers a blob appearance at any distance. Light colors coupled with darks found in the enviroment do better. The blue is probably subdued urban and makes a good night camo as well.
Thumper
June 10, 2003, 09:17 PM
Sometimes the cultural gap here is jaw-dropping.
Don Gwinn
June 10, 2003, 09:31 PM
Better yet, just wear whatever you want and hold REAL still. Works for me. I hunt deer in solid blaze-orange coveralls while in the stand, and an old pair of blue jeans, a dark-green sweatshirt, and a solid blaze vest and hat (blaze camo is frowned upon in Illinois, though I'm not sure if it's technically illegal.)
Being very still, upwind, and either in front of or behind something that breaks up your silhouette seems to be a lot more important than whiz-bang camouflage. Did I mention that you have to be very still?
Thumper
June 10, 2003, 09:38 PM
You should also try to be still. ;)
Ledbetter
June 10, 2003, 09:40 PM
Old grizzled hunter, hand on chin, sitting in front of a fireplace in a rocking chair, frowning at a piece of blaze orange camo.
digex
June 10, 2003, 09:44 PM
Great Don, there goes Cabela's catalog sales this year!!! :cuss: The people in my area hunt the same way (and we live about 20 minutes away from Cabela's world headquarters). Backwards blaze cap and a blaze sweatshirt and my jeans. Most times I'm wearing a pair of Nike's too. I suppose if you hunt with a bow, that other stuff might be handy, but it's not like you're sneaking up on a rocket scientist or anything. Stand still and let it rip, the deer doesn't care what you're wearing ;)
Bowlcut
June 10, 2003, 09:49 PM
i see one problem with those dark camo's....zipper fly. what is that???? just something asking to get broken or cross toothed. like button fly bdu's much better.
Navy joe
June 10, 2003, 10:08 PM
Hey, be still! Yeah, that works too. I usually walk the woods in jeans and a M-65 field jacket. I take off the blaze orange when stationary. I walk in a 4am with a light and don't leave til noon to minimize my chances of being shot. Some hunters around here would swear there is a genetic defect that makes orange deer, IOW they shoot anything that moves. If on private land of the family I am liable to go to full camo including paint, gloves and headgear. Just because you're on your own land doesn't mean you won't meet other hunters it seems.
Had someone's highly trained deer dog go past me three yards away without seeing me in jeans and a brown shirt. In full camo however I have been able to touch a squirrel. Poor thing.
Mizzoutiger
June 10, 2003, 10:29 PM
Well, the blues are easy. That's urban camo.
My guess on the orange... I dunno. Maybe it's for that short period of time during fall when all the leaves are such pretty colors.
sm
June 10, 2003, 11:25 PM
Yep, orange is supposed to keep the hunters from shooting each other. green (whatever flavor they call it) legal some states too. The arguement is does it satisfy the 400 sq in min req.for your Game Commison. Plus hat.
I don't even own anything camo, wear orange only when req'd. Funny how the Turkey hunters don't shoot each other...and my last turkeys I did not use camo. Shot 2- one in flight with the lowly 2 3/4 " chamber...which is supposed to be undergunned and outdated too.
I spend $ on ammo, practice, pattern boards...--let someone else buy the catalog stuff.
old burlap tote (like 'taters come in) works too well and they are free. I'm not old per se' [48]just think the old ways still best.
I'm the younger feller sitting next to the old grizzled hunter watching the pot bellied stove drinking strong coffee,- learning from him-, scratching my chin btw
Preacherman
June 10, 2003, 11:49 PM
I don't know where Skunk finds 'em, but that shop has the wildest selection of camouflage colors I've ever seen! Worth checking out - see http://www.dandfoutfitters.com/catalog/subcat23.htm. The Serengeti camo had me falling over laughing... coming from Africa, I should think that wearing that in the Serengeti would be like putting a neon sign on your back saying "Here I am, Mr. Lion, please come and eat me!"
(The second one is from - where else? - www.tacticalshop.com! :D )
Combat-wombat
June 11, 2003, 12:15 AM
Hmm... If deer can't see what color you are, there's no need for that tactical combat camoflauge assault clothing in dark green that conceals you from humans. It has no sporting purpose! Time to ban it now...
Ian Sean
June 11, 2003, 12:17 AM
I wouldn't order from them on general principles. Looks like a Starbucks flavors of Camo!!!
Guerillaflage? :barf:
Mochaflage?:barf:
They have to be kidding, I stick to Woodland Milsurp.
Skunkabilly
June 11, 2003, 12:24 AM
:barf: :barf:
http://www.dandfoutfitters.com/catalog/images/item1231.jpg
sm
June 11, 2003, 12:41 AM
Hey Preacherman...
So you mean to tell us that don't have hip/cool/tacital BDU camo for the bush...oh my...how DID the hunters and classic writings of safari ever come to be...
<sarcasm off>
MMcCall
June 11, 2003, 12:52 AM
I find it amusing that someone that considers carbon fiber the peak of design and engineering would question the utility of any other product.
tex_n_cal
June 11, 2003, 01:18 AM
Also, just for the record, if you sit down, deer will often walk right up to you, even during hunting season. It seems they have much greater fear of a human standing on two legs. When they see humans sitting down, they seem more curious than afraid.
By the way, Wild Turkeys are not color blind, and will be unimpressed by any orange camo:)
Autolite
June 11, 2003, 01:28 AM
President Bush is planning on invading south eastern Quebec during the first week of October. Probably to uncover the massive stockpile of maple syrup that the Canadians have been hoarding ...
bedlamite
June 11, 2003, 08:06 AM
I'm disappointed. Over a page and nobody has mentioned paintball yet.
D.W. Drang
June 11, 2003, 11:44 AM
:fire: I'm thinking of suing this guy... :cuss:
:evil:
Actually... Let me tell you how it (that first camo pattern, all orange and stuff) came about.
Mrs. Drang-to-be and I were pretty active at the time (early '90s) in the local Sceince Fiction Conventions, and she knew ALL of the costumers; they were all pretty disgusted with people wh would throw on neon clothing and call it a costume. Meanwhile, I, being halfway thrugh my Army career, was pretty disgusted with people who woul go to Joe's surplus, by amn old uniform (BTW, that second set of camo is more-or-less Vietnam era Tiger Stripes) and call that a costume.
So we spent MONTHS with some old BDUs and a ton of neon-colored fabric paint converting a couple of sets of old BDUs to uniforms of the "Middle-aged Mutant Mercenary Mammals"--oh, yeah, Teen-aged Mutant Ninja Turtles were all the rage, too.
What really burned my @$$was that, we get on stage and the freakin' tech crew gets the lighting instructins wrong and uses filtered light, so all that work and no one got the full impact of the neon fabric paint! :fire:
I'll see if I have a photo and post it.
Mute
June 11, 2003, 12:00 PM
Keep in mind that here in Kali, orange camo won't keep some idiot from taking a shot at you because he thought he saw a deer that works for Cal-Trans. Trust me on this one. I haven't done any deer hunting during rifle season in KA. in a long, long time since then.
Kharn
June 11, 2003, 12:06 PM
Deer cant see orange, and I believe turkeys cant see blue (something about turkey decoys having blue parts on them that humans could see, but turkeys would think they were normal).
Kharn
D.W. Drang
June 11, 2003, 12:17 PM
OK, here we go, Mr. and Mrs. Drang as the Middle-aged Mutant Mercenary Mammals from the planet Fuschia...:D
BTW, when I was stationed at Ft. Cartoon, CO :evil: I tok the CO Hunter's Ed class and they said the state had run tests of "blaze orange camo" and determined that at ranges greater than (I think) 50 yards all the colors run together into a muddy brown, which is why BO camo :what: is illegal in many states.
Russ
June 11, 2003, 12:25 PM
Blends in great with the leaves in the fall in places like Eastern Tennessee, Kentucky and I'm sure most Eastern states. The colors are very bright. Reds, oranges, yellows. Quite beautiful in the East in the Fall I must say.
Correia
June 11, 2003, 01:08 PM
For the red. Mars. Those Martians are quick and tough. :)
For the second one, watch some video of the Russian Spetnatz (sp?) fighting in Chechnya. Blues and grey work well in urban rubble.
OEF_VET
June 11, 2003, 01:38 PM
The Serbian MUP (paramilitary police) wore blue/black camo uniforms as well.
WilderBill
June 11, 2003, 09:10 PM
Navy Joe,
You can usually get Alpenflage from Cheaper Than Dirt.
That's one pattern that I always thought must only work well in a very limited area.
stevelyn
June 12, 2003, 09:06 AM
If you want to be seen, solid blaze orange or Flo yellow. If you wish to disappear, ASAT or Predator.
Mike990
June 14, 2003, 09:20 PM
First off the blaze orange bdu's shown are not blaze orange. They would be illegal to hunt in most areas requiring blaze. Blaze orange is a very specific color. Camo blaze can have black on it and blaze, thats all I ever have seen that is legal. The black can be irregular patches or branches but the blaze has to be true legal blaze color.
The reason for many of the multi color BDU's and BDU shorts is that kids buy em' for the skate boarder style of it all. It has nothing to do with camo. Its all style. You will not find stuff like that at bass pro shops or cabelas or gander mountain. That should have been your first tip off. Its not about hunting. Its about youth wanting a cool something or other to wear. At least they see it as cool.
M67
June 15, 2003, 04:02 PM
but it's not like you're sneaking up on a rocket scientist or anything. Assuming of course that rocket scientist stalking is legal in your jurisdiction, I think pocket protector and palm pilot would make you blend in better than blaze orange... :p
harrydog
June 20, 2003, 09:57 AM
"Drive along the east coast in the fall and you'll see where orange camo would work.....even for those not color challenged."
That's very true. New England in October - you'll disappear in the woods wearing that thing.
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