Mak or CZ 82??


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azhunter12
March 21, 2007, 07:01 PM
Which one would you pick? I asked this question once before on another fourm and the reply was almost everyone for the 82. Here are some reasons for either choice and prices.

CZ82-$229. Plus- Has a hicap mag, wider grip, supposedly a better sights,
Minuses-only one I can think of is there is no one except for not having a decocker

Mak-$225. Plus-fun caliber
Minuses-8rd mag (not to bad I can live with it), small sights

Take you pick. The mak is unissued condition. If I were to buy it I'd probaly offer $190-$200. Thanks. AZhunter.

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ARTiger
March 21, 2007, 07:08 PM
The CZ is a better gun - not that the Mak is bad, just the CZ is better. Both good. There are some CZ's in that platform in 9x18 as well if you look hard enough.

usp9
March 21, 2007, 10:35 PM
There's not a lot of difference. Not sure I understand the Ammo comparison...they are both 9mm Makarov.

The CZ82 has a notoriously weak slide release spring that cannot be replaced.:cuss: Other than that...both are fairly robust. The CZ has a very good trigger for a commie gun. Buy both and give us a full report.:D

joneb
March 21, 2007, 11:51 PM
The original "PM" has the 8rnd mag. so the gun is thinner. The mag release is on the bottom of the grip which makes reloading slower for me, and the safety is on the slide :confused: which could be accidentally engaged while firing, and then there's the micro sights. I sure do like my Mak though :D

North Bender
March 22, 2007, 12:22 AM
My CZ-83 is a work of art. It fits my hand like a glove, points naturally, and shoots straight.

But I'd take a Makarov if it was either/or. The reason is the ease of working on the Makarov. No difficult internal springs and I can take it completely apart in less than 2 minutes. You just don't want to take a CZ completely apart unless you set aside some real time. And I think that for the caliber the CZ is really pushing the size limit.

CZF
March 22, 2007, 01:21 AM
Maks are just crude when they are up against a CZ. As mentioned, the CZ
has better controls and sights, and with it's superior trigger//probably more accurate to boot.

I'd never own a MAK, but have owned a CZ83 in 9mm MAK> sweet gun..hard to find ammo.

M2 Carbine
March 22, 2007, 02:52 AM
I've got two CZ 83 that I bought new. One in 9x18 and the second is a 32ACP.
And I've got a bunch of Makarovs in .380 and 9x18.

Other than the 9x18 CZ costing twice as much and having a larger magazine capacity than the Makarov I haven't warmed up to it all that much.

I don't know exactly why but I like the Makarov better than the CZ.

Nomad, 2nd
March 22, 2007, 02:58 AM
As a Mak owner: Get the CZ.

Edited to add: that's too much for the Mak unless it's a Russian one, and if it is get a $160 one if you're gonna carry it.

only1asterisk
March 22, 2007, 03:25 AM
Another CZ vote. Bigger, but better made.

David

ezypikns
March 22, 2007, 07:42 AM
I'd never own a MAK

I happen to agree with you. The CZ is a better pistol as far as appearance, sights, finish. But as far as durability, simplicity of design, and reliability, you can't beat a MAK. Doesn't matter whether it's a Russian, Bulgarian, or East German.

HorseSoldier
March 22, 2007, 07:58 AM
I think the Makarov price sounds high, at least for Bulgarians. I think I'd go with the vz.82, of those options, and those prices. If the seller will go below $200 on the Mak that would be a different story, though.

tinygnat219
March 22, 2007, 10:25 AM
Both are great.

However, my vote is the CZ-82. Better ergonomics, better overall trigger, higher magazine capacity.

Depends on what kind of Makarov it is though. If it's Russian, or East German at that price grab it and run.

wnycollector
March 24, 2007, 08:55 AM
I'm leaning twords the CZ82 since maks have dried up in my area for anything less than $300! A gun shop ~ 1.5 hours away from me has a CZ82 for $205 but the black painted finish is peeling in 2 places.

usp9
March 24, 2007, 09:23 AM
A gun shop ~ 1.5 hours away from me has a CZ82 for $205 but the black painted finish is peeling in 2 places.


This is the normal condition of the guns you see offered from the '80s. The finish on the CZ82s is poor and chips. The blued CZs look much better. Be sure you funtion test the gun. Some of these older 82s are in great shape and some are shot out crap. Don't let the smooth barrel fool you, the 82s polygonal barrel looks similar to HKs but smoother.

The weakest link on the CZ 82 is the slide release spring. Be sure the slide release lever engages when you rack the slide. If the lever feels loose or doesn't engage that means the spring is gone. Replacements are not to be found. A CZ83 spring can be used but only with some effort. Trigger sears wear too. Function test the trigger and hammer fall.

Good luck.

function test link...may help.
http://www.coolgunsite.com/funcheck/function.htm

wnycollector
March 24, 2007, 09:43 AM
usp9 thanks for the info! Knowing the weak links prior to purchase in any used firearm is indespensible!

Dave Baird
March 24, 2007, 10:34 AM
I own both but they are fairly new to me yet. From what I have seen so far, (more testing to follow!:D ), the 82 is more modern....better sights, larger mag capacity, and thumb release. But, with those improvements come more parts. More parts, no matter how you look at it, increases the chance of failure. Compare the T34 to the Tiger. The Tiger was better in so many ways, but the reliability (and production numbers of course), the T34 was still operating on May 13th, 1945.

The Mak would be my choice for CCW due to reliability and ease of disassembly and part aquisition. If I were in law enforcement or the military and given the choice, I would pick the 82 due to firepower.

I guess that's why I got one of each!!;)

KINGMAX
March 24, 2007, 10:48 AM
Get the CZ 83 for sure

M2 Carbine
March 24, 2007, 12:40 PM
HorseSoldier
I think the Makarov price sounds high, at least for Bulgarians. I think I'd go with the vz.82, of those options, and those prices. If the seller will go below $200 on the Mak that would be a different story, though.

At the last gun show the lowest price on any Makarov was $230.

I bought a nice .380 Mak at a pawn shop last year for $179 but the under $200 Maks are harder and harder to find.

sgphoto
March 24, 2007, 02:17 PM
I have both the CZ82 and Maks. I prefer the Maks for several reasons.

1. Easier to carry and conceal. The CZ82 is almost 9mm size, so why carry the CZ82 when I have 9mms that offer greater capacity and power.

2. Better fit and finish on my Maks. Not a deal breaker--but it's apparent to me.

3. Trigger pull in both DA/SA is smoother on my Maks. The CZ 82 is not far behind, but not as good.

4. Less parts on the Mak, easier takedown.

I have both, have carried both, and prefer the Maks. The CZ82 is a fine pistol as are the CZ line of guns of which I have several. If a Mak wasn't available the CZ82 would work well.

I have two CZ82s in 9x18 in 90-95% condition and several Maks. I'll happily trade one of my CZ82s for a equal condition EG Mak. But I'm keeping my Maks.

Steve

Angus Podgorney
March 24, 2007, 04:06 PM
I've got a new CZ83 in 9x18. It's a good gun, but it is definitely big for caliber. I still shoot my E.G. Mak much better though.

joneb
March 24, 2007, 11:31 PM
CZ vs Mak is like S&W vs Ruger, I'd say the Mak is a sturdier more robust 9x18 but this is merely speculation I have not owned a CZ82, and the CZ83 ? are they alloy frames ? :barf:
I plan to reload 9x18 for my E.G. Makarov and I have no worries about pushing the loads to limit.

Pilot
March 25, 2007, 08:28 AM
I have both and they are great guns. Reliable, accurate, built like tanks. I prefer the Makarov for its simplicity and slimness.

kserg
March 29, 2007, 12:15 AM
Like many said, depends what kind of Makarov...

If it's Russian or German, Makarov for sure... Great guns.

If it's some crappy Chinese made Mak, then,
http://www.bigballz.com/random/MPrunaway.jpg

Geronimo45
March 29, 2007, 01:13 AM
I'd go with the CZ 82. Maks seem to be getting overpriced nowadays. Russkie or German models seem to go around the same price as a brand new CZ 83.

Texfire
March 30, 2007, 02:34 PM
CZ-82. 12+1 rounds, easily concealable, ambidextrous, smooth shooting with the option for double action first shot or cocked and locked. Only con, harder to find an IWB holster for than a Makarov.

Tex

Whiteymin
March 30, 2007, 06:33 PM
Ive never owned a CZ but I had a Bulgarian Mak 9mm about3 years ago. I had it for about 2 years before I got rid of it. So its been a while since Ive had mine. I can tell you this. I wish every day I had never got rid of it. I did so to acquire a bigger 45 acp. I hate that decision to this day and no longer even have that particular 45. The facts: The Mak did have very small sights, but they were accurate! Very accurate!!! I would shoot that Mak everywhere i went and people would literally stop and stare and ask about it. I would jump pop cans every shot out to 30 35 yards with that Mak. Many people seeing that tried to get it from me but I would not part. I do regret it and the Mak is a very durable, reliable, dependable handgun. I would jump on another if I could find one. At the time, I paid 199.00 for the Bulgarian one I had. In the past year I have looked high and low around where I live(Beckley, WV) and have to come across another one of any make. I made it to the last gun show in December in my area and looked the whole place over for one and found NONE! Get the Mak and you won't be sorry.
Whitey

phoglund
April 2, 2007, 06:08 PM
I have both pistols as well. An East German Makarov and a surplus CZ-82 in excellent condition. AIM is now selling CZ-82s to 03 FFL holders for $199.95 so I'm probably going to be getting another one of those! They are in my opinion both great guns. If you will be carrying this gun a lot I'd probably go for the Makarov as they are a bit thinner, smaller, and lighter. If you will be shooting more than carrying I'd go for the CZ-82 as they feel so very nice in the hand and shoot wonderfully well. If I had to choose one to have with me in a tight spot I'd choose the CZ-82 without hesitation. The significant magazine capacity increase and my ability to shoot this pistol better make that decision a no-brainer.

Ohen Cepel
April 2, 2007, 06:21 PM
CZ 82 is a much better, more refined gun. Mine has and excellent trigger and shoots extremely well! Plus, you have more rounds in the mag.

The Maks are good guns, but the CZ's beat them.

NC-Mike
April 2, 2007, 07:19 PM
I hope the CZ-82 is all that's been advertised. I ordered 2 from AIM this AM and I'm planning to make it my carry weapon. I'm taking the CCW class next month.

tinygnat219
April 2, 2007, 10:47 PM
NC-Mike,

You won't be disappointed. Pound for pound and round for round, I think the CZ-82 is THE best value on the surplus market. This is a surplus pistol that can actually be carried and used on a daily basis for personal protection unlike the wierd CZ-52, Nagant, or PA 63s. The trigger is SMOOTH and with 12 rounds, you have a respectable supply of ammo.
You will enjoy it, and AIM Surplus has the best deal going on the CZ-82.

Kevinch
April 2, 2007, 11:17 PM
I guess you can see where my opinion falls.....

http://i58.photobucket.com/albums/g276/Kevinch/Firearms/Mak4_MEDpixel.jpg

My Bulgarian Makarov with MMC adjustable night sites, Pearce Grip & extended mag release.

NC-Mike
April 3, 2007, 08:48 AM
That's a nice pistol you have there. Love the sights and grips, nice touch.

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