Smith & Wesson M&P9 Review (Dial-Up Beware)


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ZAT
March 22, 2007, 12:47 AM
A couple of months ago, when the rumors about the new 45’s coming started popping up, I began Jonesing for a new gun. Doing some reading and one visit to Cabella’s to handle an MP9 pretty much convinced me that I may be eating crow on my bias against S&W auto loaders. Having handled the MP9 I went home an dug through the safe for that G19 that hasn’t seen the light of day since about 2004 and went shopping.

Surprisingly, there are quite a few options to choose from when shopping for an M&P pistol. You can choose to have a locking mechanism like the revolvers, a mag disconnect, night sights, or a carry package. For the upcoming MP45 you will additionally get to choose between color and manual safety. The MP9 I picked up was a carry package with standard sights, without the lock, without the mag disconnect. The difference in price ($485 vs $515) for the carry option seemed like a good value.

For my hard earned trade in and a bit of cash I got the following items:
• MP9 with Medium grip panel installed
• 3 17 round magazines
• 1 Blade Tech Revolution Holster
• 1 Blade Tech Revolution Dual Mag Carrier
• 1 Small grip panel
• 1 Large grip panel
• 1 Clear chamber indicator
• 1 Owners manual
• 1 Warranty card
• 1 Spent case

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/lmarkos/Contents.jpg

Given that currently spare magazines seem to be going for around $35, the additional $30 for the carry package was well worth it as you get not only an additional magazine, but also the holster and mag carrier.

Out of the box, the action felt decent, but as with every other gun a quick disassembly, cleaning and lube job smoothed it out. Disassembly was easy, yet quirky at the same time. Lock the slide back, turn the sear de-activation lever to lower the sear, rotate the take down lever, release the slide and it comes right off the frame. The gun can also be disassembled using the standard striker fired method of lowering the slide manually into battery and pulling the trigger to release the striker. Not quite sure that I would do this too often though. When dry firing the MP without a snap cap in place, there is a very metallic sound heard. This type of sound is not as prevalent on my XD, nor can I remember in on my G19 or P99. Not sure if its significant at all, but since the sear de-activation lever is relatively easy to access, I would suggest that it be used. The rest of the disassembly process is the same as any other link less assembly.

Below are some pics that turned out:

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http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/lmarkos/Rt-Profile.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/lmarkos/XD-Comp.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/lmarkos/Slide.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/lmarkos/Striker.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/lmarkos/Frame-Rear.jpg
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/lmarkos/Locking-Block.jpg

Fit and finish seem to be on par with most other mass produced guns. I would not rate it along with an HK or Sig, but it definitely holds its own against its primary competitors, the XD and Glock. The fact that it is all stainless in construction, however, puts it ahead in some ways in my mind.

The trigger out of the box is gritty to say the least. The break is OK, but the take up is like rubbing sand paper together. There is also a LOT of over travel. The gritty feel comes form the stamped sheet metal trigger bar rubbing on the firing pin safety during take up. So to smooth it up some I spent time in front of the TV dry firing and simply pulling the trigger. The practice worked and after a couple of hours it became acceptable. Putting my RCBS scale to work got a very consistent 6.75# break after my little smooth out exercise.

Pros:
1. Ergonomics: The gun feels very good in the hand, and with the 3 grip inserts can be customized as needed.
2. Low Bore Axis: Makes for very manageable recoil and follow ups.
3. Ergonomics: The gun feels really good.
4. Workable trigger: Wouldn’t call it great, but for me it is better than an out of the box Glock.
5. Stainless construction coupled with Melonite should make for a rugged gun in the long run.
6. Spare parts available from Brownells
7. Good factory sights.
8. Ergonomics: The gun feels good in the hand
9. Reliability: So far out of 720 rounds fired I have only encountered one failure which was ammo related.
10. No need to pull the trigger during take down.
11. Options: You can get factory set ups with or without various “safety’ devices, so no back yard gunsmithing is necessary.
12. Affordable smithing services.
13. Have I said ergonomics yet?

Cons:
1. Sear de-activation lever: I cant make up my mind about it completely.
2. Complete disassembly of slide requires removal of rear sight to access the striker assembly.
3. Expensive mags.
4. Metallic sound during dry fire.
5. Exterior finish. The “black” finish in the slide does not seem very tough. Simply bumping it against a set of keys left a mark, so holster wear will probably show quick. Being melonited stainless this is probably going to be an aesthetic issue only.

Now for the shooting part. Shooting took place over a 2 day period separated by a trip to get a trigger job. I fired 200 rounds of S&B to make sure the gun ran without failure and then decided to make some changes. I replaced the rear sight with a 10-8 U-Notch rear in all black and got a Dan Burwell standard trigger job. All I can say that both changes were well worth their price, especially the trigger job. At $50 plus shipping, the change was like night and day. Weight dropped to a consistent 4# at the middle of the trigger. Over travel was minimized as was reset and take up was smoothed out considerably.

The following factory ammo was used for a total of 720 rounds fired over 2 days.

Sellier & Bellott 115gr FMJ 200 rds
Independence Arms 115gr FMJ 50 rds
CCI Blazer 115gr FMJ 50 rds
Remington UMC 115gr MC (White Box) 50 rds
Ultramax 115gr FMJ 50 rds
Monarch 115gr FMJ (Steel Case) 50 rds
Monarch 115gr FMJ (Brass Case) 50 rds
Winchester 115gr FMJ (White Box) 50 rds
PMC 115gr FMJ 50 rds
Fiocchi 115gr FMJ (9mm Magnum) 10 rds
Speer 124gr TMJ 10 rds
Federal 115gr JHP Hi-Shok 20 rds
Federal 124gr JHP Hydra-Shok 20 rds
Federal 147gr JHP Hydra-Shok 20 rds
Speer 124gr JHP GoldDot 20 rds
Speer 147gr JHP GoldDot 20 rds

Total Rounds Fired 720 rds

Through the 2 days I experienced one failure to feed using Remington UMC ammo. Upon examining the round it was apparent that the round received little to no crimp and I doubt that anything would have fed it.

Here are the details:

- Trigger: Out of the box, the trigger is acceptable. I like it better than the factory G19 and it comes close to the XD aside from the gritty take up. With the $50 investment the trigger easily surpasses the XD and rivals some of the 1911’s I have had over the years.

-Sights: Factory sights are acceptable. The 10-8 is also a well spent $40. The U-Notch makes for a very clean sight picture and also makes for quick follow ups.

-Accuracy: I did not shoot for groups, during the break in process, but did notice that when I did my part the gun cold put 5 rounds into a clover leaf at 7 yds using S&B ammo. The second day a the range, with the new trigger job, I was able to engage 8 six inch plates with single and double taps without missing out to 15 yds. It did take a mag or two to get used to both the factory and refined triggers though.

-Summary: The sound you are hearing in the background is me eating crow on my S&W bias. At least with the MP9 model, it appears that S&W has hit a home run. I definitely feel no regret at having traded the G19 for it. To date, reliability has been exceptional and accuracy is more than acceptable for a service grade weapon. The thing that truly sets this gun apart from the competition, is the ergonomics. The gun feels very natural in the hand. The low bore axis, adjustable grips, and beaver tail make for a gun that is very pleasurable to shoot. I am eagerly awaiting the MP45, to say the least.

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GunNut
March 22, 2007, 02:34 AM
Very nice detailed review.:D

Steve

madecov
March 22, 2007, 03:10 AM
Nice review.
I've handled several of the M&P's and I am seriously considering one for a duty weapon over the Glock 22 I currently use.

mrcpu
March 22, 2007, 04:35 AM
Great review. I am stuck on xd vs m&p. Just can't make up my mind. Everytime I go to the gun store and get ready to lay down the cash, I just get this little "well, let me fondle 'em both a bit more..".

Maybe because I'm jonesing for an EMP... :)

GrandmasterB
March 22, 2007, 10:11 AM
Great review. I fired one a while back and knew I needed one! I just ordered a combo pak like yours and can't wait until it gets here. :)

tydephan
March 22, 2007, 10:36 AM
Great review. I am stuck on xd vs m&p. Just can't make up my mind. Everytime I go to the gun store and get ready to lay down the cash, I just get this little "well, let me fondle 'em both a bit more..".

Maybe because I'm jonesing for an EMP...

I chose the M&P first...but on the same day put the EMP on layaway. :D

That was 5 or 6 months ago. I shot both of them this weekend and you will not go wrong if you choose either one of them.

Can't comment on the XD. Haven't owned one yet.

Great review by ZAT, btw...

vanfunk
March 22, 2007, 11:27 AM
Thank you ZAT for this very informative review. I am drawing ever closer to buying one of these contraptions.

vanfunk

FieroCDSP
March 22, 2007, 11:41 AM
I have an M&P 40 and have fired a friend's XD-9c. I like them both. I do think the ergonomics of the Smith are better. The issue with the detail strip of the slide is one I was looking at. I just use a flat screwdriver to gently push the plastic beneath the firing pin down, push in the button on the slide, and the tail-cap comes right out. You can then remove the firing pin and spring, but not the sleeve. Since the pin rides inside the sleeve, I don't see much residue getting in behind it. I run a 22 patch in there and then wipe down the spring on the pin. I might rub some oil on with a patch every three cleanings or so, just for the slightest of films so it doesn't catch crud. I've had zero problems with cleaning this way, and you don't have to fiddle with the sights.

RustyShackelford
March 22, 2007, 12:30 PM
As a left handed American, I like the ambi controls on the Smith M&P models but I'm not thrilled with the 2 piece trigger. It looks like it could wear or break with ease. :uhoh:

I'm also not a big fan of hard use/duty type weapons that require locks or "take down" parts to field strip the sidearm. :barf:

The Smith and Wesson's M&P line offers good prices for NIB(new) pistols and I might consider a M&P compact 9mmNATO for duty use/CC.

Rusty S

nwilliams
March 22, 2007, 04:35 PM
You actually don't need any tools to take down the gun enough to clean it. I bought one of these same kits only in .40 last month and I reaaly enjoy it. You can take the slide off and on in a few seconds, about as long as it take to take the slide off a Sig plus a few seconds. Open the slide turn down the slide catch lever. reach inside through the ejection port with your thumb push down the little lever thingy, then the push the slide forward and its off.

In the manual they show that you need to use a tool to push the lever thingy forward but I found it to be no problem doing it with your finger or a car key really makes it quick and easy.

Now my con:

I had to send mine back recently to S&W because after about 700rds the magazine started poping out part way after each shot. I adjusted my grip, tried firing it one-handed and with both hands and still after each shot the mag would eject about an inch and no round would feed because of it. So I would have to push the mag back in and rack the slide again. After 10 minutes of this I gave up. I took the gun home called S&W they emailed me a shipping lebel the next day and I sent the gun back. That was a week and a half ago, I just the gun back last night (not bad turn around time). According to the repair order they replaced the mag release button. So now I'm off to the range today to see if they truely resolved the problem. I really hope they did I want to start carrying this gun again:(

ront
March 22, 2007, 04:37 PM
Very nice review ZAT!! I have the M&P .40 Compact. I traded in my G27 for it, and just like you, have no regrets. The M&P's are sweet shooters!! I still say that one of the only things keeping more people from buying them is that they just have not handled and shot one yet. Once you do that, well you know what happens:) .

Ron

Fergy35
March 22, 2007, 05:32 PM
I have been wondering about these since they came out. After handling a couple I was very impressed with the feel of them in my hands.

Now I might just have to start saving for one (along with all the other ones on my list).

ront
March 22, 2007, 05:35 PM
Fergy35, if you have only handled one, just wait until you shoot one. They are fun to shoot. I don't really know why, but I am at least 50% more accurate with my M&P!

Ron

nwilliams
March 22, 2007, 07:22 PM
First let me say that I don't want to hijack your thread so I'll keep it simple.

Well I just got back from the range and after 200 flawless rounds I can say without a doubt S&W fixed the problem with my M&P. I'm gonna put another 200 rounds through it before I feel comfortable making it my carry gun again, but I have high hopes!

So I have to say in addition to ZAT's fine review I have to add to it by giving this feedback in further support of this fine handgun. S&W's customer support was very helpful, they seemed to have done their job and the turn around time like I said earlier was very reasonable. I only hope that the gun continues to work well for many thousands of rounds to come.

Again good review ZAT and welcome to THR!:)

zahc
March 22, 2007, 07:44 PM
I have a 9c, and I'm not happy with the trigger. Anyone know of any good fixes, DIY or otherwise?

ront
March 22, 2007, 07:48 PM
zahc, how many rounds do you have through your gun? The trigger generally gets better with use. Dry fire it while watching tv some night.
You might also look here: http://mp-pistol.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=110

Ron

SKM&P9
March 22, 2007, 10:56 PM
Zahc, just to echo Ront, if you look at the mp-pistol site, there is a DIY trigger tutorial in there, with easy to follow steps, and pics to guide you. I did mine (full size 9mm), and you can't believe the difference about 1 hour, some 600 grit paper, and lapping compound can do. Well worth the time.

Lonestar
March 22, 2007, 11:09 PM
ZAT great review.

I'm a big Glock fan, but I'm thing of branching out into another striker fired handgun. The XDs I shot seem a little top heavy, and I'm actually not a fan of the grip safety. I was looking at the S&W M&P and the Walther P99 (which I noticed you mentioned) , out of those 2 which do you like most so far.

ZAT
March 23, 2007, 12:44 AM
Glad you guys like the review. I spent a good amount of time over the the MP forums and did a lot of reading before taking the plunge. My model is a Revision N which is the latest and greatest. If youre buying a 9 or 40 in full size look for it on the inside surface of the dust cover. The compacts havent been updated yet.

SW customer service seems to be a class act that people like HK should look to sa an example...Heck almost any company should.

Of the 4 striker fired's I had/have (P99 in 40, XD45, G19 and MP9) I think the Walther and MP rank at the top. The XD is a good gun, but the ergonomics of the Walther and MP are far better for my hand size and shape. The G19 while it is a great design in a lot of respects also did not do it for me as far as ergo and trigger went. Between the MP and Walther...hmmm its a tough choice. My biggest issue with the Walther was the caliber, I think. The 40 was just not a fun gun for me to shoot and practice with. Shooting any factory round my strong hand would be sore for at least one day after the session; and were talking about 2-300 rounds only. I had the DA/SA version and the SA trigger was AWESOME, but the transition from DA to SA was hard. The QA actio that is now being imported was not to my liking as all the samples I handled were incredibly Glock like. In 9 it may have been a different story.

Over all if the MP continues along as reliably as it has been I will give the nod to the MP cause of the ergonomics, no DA/SA transition and made in the USA.

zahc
March 23, 2007, 02:05 AM
My model is a Revision N which is the latest and greatest. If youre buying a 9 or 40 in full size look for it on the inside surface of the dust cover. The compacts havent been updated yet.

What are the differences? I heard there was some kind of updated striker available, does it have anything to do with that?

Coronach
March 23, 2007, 10:16 AM
-Summary: The sound you are hearing in the background is me eating crow on my S&W bias.I had to do that, too. ;) I don't remember exactly how anti I was outwardly, but inside I was all "Oh great, another S&W autopistol. This one will be better than the last three we evaluated, yeahsureright."

I'm happy to be wrong. This gun sure does seem to rock.

Mike

Ghost Tracker
March 23, 2007, 05:44 PM
I've liked the feel of the M&P since I first handled one, although I haven't shot one yet. Zat, you've done us all a favor by your unbiased review. Thanks!

David Bowie @ Bowie Tactical (West Union, Ohio) reportedly does wonders for the M&P trigger including (get this) 2 DIFFERENT styles of take-up/reset modifications (short & long) to best adapt to your personal preference on trigger reach. Go to his website for details. No...I'm not on Bowie's payroll. I've just already decided that he's gonna' do the trigger work on my M&P .45 (with manual thumb safety) as soon as the dang things come out.

I feel comfortable tuning (lightening) the trigger on this model of the M&P since there's an "old fashioned" manual safety. Hell, as a 1911 & Hi-Power shooter, my thumb sweeps down the left side of the frame without thinking anyway!

Has anyone actually SEEN on of these M&P .45 models anywhere but the SHOT show? When are they going to start shipping them?!?

ront
March 23, 2007, 05:56 PM
I just saw this, this morning. Not much, but it is something.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/520103904/m/3851056402?r=3981021502#3981021502

Ron

johndoe1027
March 23, 2007, 08:41 PM
Hey Ront!!! ::waving arms about like a madman::
Yeah, anyone who is wondering, check my signature. Thanks for the awesome review, I feel amost exactly the same. The trigger really is easy to fix (by dry firing or polishing). I've done both and here's what happened today...
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3695/32207017hh5.jpg
1100 rounds with a malfunction on round #5 (straight out of the box, literally) and none since
P.S. My groups would be a lot better if I wasn't so crappy at shooting. All of the ugliness was my fault, not the M&P's. Not too bad for a compact polymer though....

..
March 23, 2007, 10:52 PM
I have been very happy with my M&P.

Trope
March 23, 2007, 11:30 PM
My wife has a M&P9c, and I have a G19. I don't think I could have put together such a good review, but I will say that I agree with everything you said (except she still has the stock trigger, and we've yet to mar the finish). This is a very good review.

I just took both pistols to the range tonight, and both ran flawlessly. I am not yet ready to get rid of my Glock, but I do like her pistol very much. I shoot each about the same, though I admit that I like the M&P trigger more than the Glock.

2bigfeet
March 23, 2007, 11:43 PM
...I am stuck on xd vs m&p. Just can't make up my mind. Everytime I go to the gun store and get ready to lay down the cash, I just get this little "well, let me fondle 'em both a bit more..".

Did the same thing. If you're thinking your afraid of making the wrong choice forget it...

I went with the XD-9 5" Tactical first. If you have smallish hands you'll love it. I have rather large longish hands and at times couldn't fully engage the grip safety with that soft spongy part of my hand. After more than a few hang-ups during IDPA matches I traded for a Glock 17. I also picked up an M&P-9 as well. So having had all three all I can say is... they are all great shooting guns (exception being the grip safety on the XD for me). I switch off between the Glock and the M&P now for IDPA. I shoot them equally well, no hiccups at all. I really can't knock any of these three guns.

Trope
March 24, 2007, 12:41 AM
It's funny that you mention hand size, 2bigfeet. My wife can shoot my G19, but her fingers are short, so she has to shift her hand a bit to the side in order to reach the trigger. The M&P fits her hand better, just enough to allow a proper grip. She uses the small backstrap, unsurprisingly.

Also, my Brother in Law has a XD 5" tactical, and it is quite accurate. But it has a LOOOONNNNNNGGG trigger...

ZAT
March 25, 2007, 12:44 AM
zahc,

Sorry for the delayed response. I am not sure what the complete list of upgrades is from the top of my head. The biggest one is a change in the striker design. There are some more. If you go to MP-Pistol.com you an search the forums there and get the complete list.

Mortech
March 25, 2007, 02:58 AM
You'll find if you wipe down your M&P with a very lightly oiled rag the marks just disappear . I've been carrying mine in an IWB Bladetech kydex holster for a year and no permanent marks have been left on mine .

piranha45
July 8, 2007, 09:13 PM
this thread is awesome. thanks for sharing your experience with the gun so thoroughly.

Oleg Volk
July 8, 2007, 09:34 PM
Just got M&P Compact and full-size, mainly for training new shooters with small hands who can't use Glocks. The sear lever was a rude surprise, but it seems to be a non-issue other than an unexpected complication.

I did not get the carry package, so would appreciate info on IWB or tuckable holsters, mag carriers (do carriers for other brands/models fit?) and night sights. I'd like to get 3-dot sights for both guns, would appreciate leads on a relatively inexpensive solution.

Thanks to BOONER for turning me onto these guns.

http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/20835-2/cavalry4340.jpg

tydephan
July 8, 2007, 09:55 PM
Oleg,

I just purchased a Comp-tac CTAC for my M&P9c. I purchased the slide version so it would also fit my full size M&P9. This configuration allows the compact to sit flush with the bottom of the holster, and with the full size gun, about 1 1/4 inch of the muzzle is exposed under the holster.

This is my first CTAC, so I wasn't sure what to expect.

I put it on the first day I got it and the "out of the box" configuration was not comfortable at all. The cant was bad and it dug into my hip/rear pretty badly. I was afraid that I had wasted away $80 on this one.

But I gave it another chance this weekend and I'm glad I did. I changed the cant and raised the clips so the holster sits lower now and it is perfect. I wore it all day yesterday with a shirt tucked in and it was very comfortable. I wore it all day today with a t-shirt over it and it was fantastic. Comfortable. Easy. Stayed in the same spot all day, despite doing yard work, dragging limbs, etc.

So, I can vouch for the CTAC.

Congrats on the M&Ps. They are fantastic guns. I've been very pleased with both mine so far.

ETA: Talk to Coronach. He has had some extensive testing with his full size M&P40. He might be able to make some recommendations for you as well. Check out Dan Burwell (http://www.burwellgunsmithing.com/) (be sure to wear sunglasses when you visit his site). He supposedly does great trigger jobs on these pistols.

Coronach
July 8, 2007, 10:40 PM
I dunno about extensive testing, unless you're talking about just going out and shooting the darned thing. ;) But yeah, I'm keeping track of my rounds and malfunctions. See the link in my sig line.

Top Three Things You Can Do For Your M&P Compact

1. Get a trigger job by Dan Burwell. This goes for the full-size, too.

2. Get a Comp-Tac Infidel IWB holster. I prefer to get one of the struts, too (Gurkha or CTAC, I have no idea which is better...they seem about the same). I think they make a model for the full-size, too.

3. Get a spare full-size magazine and a grip sleeve from luvmy40 on mp-pistol.com for $9, and expand your reload capacity from 10 to 15 (in .40 S&W).

http://mp-pistol.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=4886&highlight=grip+sleeve

Mike

MrCleanOK
July 8, 2007, 11:27 PM
You sure that your keys left a gouge in the surface of the slide? Carbonitrided stainless should be a lot harder than average-joe-housekey. Try rubbing the scratch to see if it will come off. Some rivets on my favorite pants leave marks on the slide of my XD, but they come right off.

Oleg Volk
July 8, 2007, 11:35 PM
Dan Burwell or David Bowie? Which one to pick?

Coronach
July 9, 2007, 12:57 AM
I have never used David Bowie for gunsmithing, so I cannot comment on him or his work. Burwell is nice, personable, does a great trigger job for less money, and (I think) has a one week turnaround time (call and make sure, if that's an issue).

Of course, there is the advantage of saying that Ziggy Stardust tweaked your trigger. So, I dunno.

Mike

PS Bowie also seems to offer an option between a short and long trigger, that Burwell may or may not offer. I'm happy with Burwell trigger, which would seem to fit Bowie's L-trigger description.

gudel
July 9, 2007, 01:06 AM
is that one in the pic is the one without the mag safety?

Coronach
July 9, 2007, 01:13 AM
The one with the "CAUTION: CAPABLE OF FIRING WITH MAGAZINE REMOVED" warning is lacking the magazine disconnect, yes.

Black Adder LXX
July 9, 2007, 08:32 AM
Thanks for the good review. I'm picking up my 9c today!!!

loloy
July 31, 2007, 10:34 AM
After an extensive review of pros and cons from different forums and threads finally M&P 9mm is my first and handgun of choice. Hopefully it will arrive tomorrow after almost 2 weeks of waiting time.
I just want to know specially from your extensive first hand experience if this firearm can withstand reloads. in my place imported cartridges like remington and winchester are almost 10x more costly than reloads offered by my dealer. Obviously, high end costly ammo is a limiting factor as far as target shooting is concerned although i put premium to its cost efficiency without compromising the longevity of my firearm.
what are other particular measures that must be considered regarding the use of reloads?

Kingslayer
July 31, 2007, 11:04 AM
In the 6th picture down, the detail pic of the back of the slide, are those cracks in the slide?

mlandman
July 31, 2007, 02:10 PM
Options...

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/58/dscn0009kp2.jpg

Efficacy...

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2311/dscn4850vf7.jpg

johndoe1027
July 31, 2007, 05:31 PM
Oleg, I had a Glock double mag holster that was perfect (Fobus). The only problem is I don't remember which glocks it was for. :( I imagine any that are the same caliber as your M&P.

One more plug for luvmy40's mag sleeves (from m-ppistol.com). He is great. I still can't believe he is only charging $9 for them.

delmardel
October 18, 2007, 01:53 AM
Caronach, plz tell me since u live in the USA. In your best opinion, how does the M&P match up as a CCW?


Del
Jamaica

possum
October 18, 2007, 01:56 AM
thanks for the review very nice in depth with pics just the way i like it.

delmardel
October 18, 2007, 01:57 AM
Caronach, let me rephrase that. I now see you have a 99.77 for your M&P 40. I like 9mm, but reading about issues they have with the M&P 9. Don't know if it's just a one off weapon prob or it's more so a line of them. I need to buy CCW and i'm torn between the M&P 9 (uncertain about the reliability) and the glock ( handle a bit bulky for my small hands)


Your thoughts plz.

ZAT
October 18, 2007, 11:48 AM
Not sure what issues you are referring to with the 9. I know that some of the early models had some issues, but they were addressed with the change to Rev N. My unit has been 100% reliable from day 1. The one failure was definitely ammo related and not the gun. I has given it back to the wife, so the round count has slowed considerably. We have put about 2k through it without a hickup, mostly whatever ammo happens to be on sale.

Guns are individuals so to speak, so YMMV.

deanodog
October 18, 2007, 12:35 PM
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c375/deanodog/auto%20pistols/0000140.jpg












+1 on the review. Great gun IMHO













+1 on the review. Great gun IMHO.

Coronach
October 18, 2007, 01:14 PM
Delmardel-

Are you looking at a fullsize M&P or an M&P compact? I can recommend the fullsize 40 without reservation, we have a sample of about 1900 gunhs in service and have had only a few problems. I also have heard that early 9mms had problems, but they seem to have been resolved.

The Compacts are a bit twitchy. My Compact 40 is running about one malfunction per session, which is annoying. I'm trying to figure out if it is an ammo issue (lots of people have reported problems with WWB ammo, and my Ultramax reloads include a fair percentage of WWB cases), or something else. Living in Jamaica, I would imagine that shipping a gun back to S&W for service could be a serious PITA. You have to consider that, especially if you are going to get a compact.

I think the M&P stacks up well against the Glock in terms of CCW, as long as you like the ergos and trigger (and most people do). If I were in yoru shoes I would find out exactly how much of a pain it would be to do S&W warranty service before you got a Compact, but if you were looking for a fullsize and liked the ergonomics, I'd just take the plunge.

Mike

Coronach
October 18, 2007, 01:15 PM
Oh, and the beavertail on the fullsize can be machined off by a good gunsmith. That would really help for CCWing it.

Mike

GlockX35
November 4, 2007, 06:28 PM
I have the M&P fullsize in .40 and also the .45. Love both of them and think they are a great deal for the money. They have been stone cold reliable with all kinds of ammo.

lepeu63
June 8, 2008, 10:08 PM
Hi all. New member & my first post.

I've a full size M&P 9 and have put about 1000 rounds through it. Basically I bought it because I live in MA and can't buy a new Glock here due to the stupid AG's rules. ANYWAY I've no regrets. The gun's still totally stock - I've got the MA 10pound trigger. While the pull's rather heavy, the break is as crisp as you'd want & I've adjusted to it. Given the general feeling about gun ownership in this state, I'm not planning on having any modifications made to the trigger as I don't want that used against me if I ever have to use it in self-defense. The gun wore in very nicely after 200 rounds and I've only had 1 failure to feed - and that was with some REALLY cheap ammo. Shooting the Wally-World Winchester 118 grain causes no feeding problems and gives reasonable accuracy and when I put carry ammo through it (Federal Hydrashock 124) it is as accurate as you could ask for.

MT GUNNY
June 8, 2008, 10:42 PM
OP
Under Con you note that rear sight removal to get to the striker assembly is incorrect,
All you have to do is slide the plate down when the white plastic piece (around striker) is slid forward, then it comes right out.

LBF

DHB Buckeye
September 9, 2008, 10:04 PM
I rented the MP40 and loved right away purchasing one on the spot. After shooting it for awhile (very accurate), I had to get the MP45. Well also impressed, I decided I wanted to shoot it more than the 45 ACP ammon and 40 S&W ammo that I could afford. So, I just got the MP9. These guns are by far the most fun to shoot in my entire arsenal. I got the mag deals on the 1st two but not the MP(. Does anyone know where I can pick up mags at a discount? You can contact me at dhbvino@aol.com

Goochman270
July 6, 2011, 02:37 AM
Great review and further info! Im considering buying this gun or a XD9. The only hang up I see is my experience with the jointed trigger in my Sigma, it was horrible. Is the M&P's alot better?

DAdams
July 6, 2011, 03:59 PM
Whoa....Night of the Living Review. Circa 2007-2008!

Where did you dredge this great review from? ;)

Nowadays you would be recommended a APEX Trigger Kit and maybe some Dawson sights.

They are decent polymer handguns. The only thing I found that fit me better was the Walther P99.

I have a 9Pro 5 inch and a .40C. The .40 came with Trijicon NS, I am installing the APEX carry kit on it.

9mmepiphany
July 6, 2011, 10:13 PM
Let's start a new thread if you have additional questions.

The offerings for the M&P have expanded greatly since 2007...both factory and aftermarket...and they are even looking are changing production offerings a bit

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