Help me decide between P32 and Black Widow


January 7, 2003, 12:58 AM
I am wanting to pick up a P32 or Black Widow .22 mag. for pocket carry... the 4" Ruger is just too big for my coat pockets:D
Help me decide... which one for reliability,accuracy and portability or any other good/valid reasons for one over the other.
Thanks, Brett

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Robert inOregon
January 7, 2003, 04:13 AM
Lets see. You have a choice between bang.....bang, reelooooaaaaddddd, bang.....bang and bang,bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang (Did I put to many in? Is it six or seven?).

I'd pick the bang,bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang model.

The Keltec is a great gun for 239 bucks.

January 7, 2003, 04:25 AM
I would lean towards the P32 also. I have heard nothing but good about them. I am getting ready to pick one up myself for my summer carry here in Vegas (at least part time carry during work hours).

Jim March
January 7, 2003, 05:04 AM
For an alternate view...

January 7, 2003, 07:12 AM
I've got .32 kel.......great little gun goes bang every pull.....

Kahr carrier
January 7, 2003, 07:31 AM
Get the P32.:evil:

January 7, 2003, 10:40 AM
Another P-32 devotee here. 7+1 capacity, and if you learn to hold it right, amazingly accurate.

You do know that Black Widows turn on their mates and kill them don't you.... :rolleyes:

Big Al
January 7, 2003, 10:52 AM
One more vote for the P-32. It's my "always" gun.

Kentucky Rifle
January 7, 2003, 10:54 AM
I have a completely reliable P-32. It looks GREAT with a gray grip frame, hard chrome top, and silver trigger shoe. However, the Black Widow with both the LR and Magnum cylinders is going to be my next mouse. NAA makes little jewell-like pistols. I like my P-32, but I'd choose the BW if I had to pick only one.


January 7, 2003, 11:02 AM

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January 7, 2003, 11:45 AM
I would choose the P-32. I think the .32 acp is the better caliber for self defense. I think a centerfire cartridge is more reliable than a rimfire cartridge. The P-32 holds more rounds. You could probably get multiple hits on target faster with P-32. If you buy the .32 then load it with ammo that's 100% reliable, don't get hung up on what's better--a FMJ or a JHP.

Have you thought about a used, small, lightweight .38 special revolver, such as a S&W model 37 or 38, or an old style Charter Arms Undercover or Off Duty? These only weigh 15-18 ozs loaded. .38 special is a better choice for self defense and you have the reliability of a revolver(I think a small revolver is more reliable than a small semi-auto.)

Ed N.
January 7, 2003, 12:51 PM
Another vote for the P32. Early ones had ejector problems (mine did), but KelTec was great about correcting the problem. Here in Florida, I'm often wearing light clothing like shorts and a t-shirt, so pocket carry of a P32 is a good solution.

If you can burn a bit more money, you might look at NAA's Guardian in .380. I keep hearing rumors that KelTec will bring out a .380 version of the P32, and I think it would be a big hit if it ever happens.

January 7, 2003, 12:59 PM
I carry a P32. Mine works like a charm and shoots well at close range. .32 is better than .22 for protection IMHO. I would go with the P32.

January 7, 2003, 01:09 PM
If you get a P-32 (my choice), be sure to run 500 or so rounds thru it to verify reliability. Also, try to get one with a 90,000+ serial number; the newer ones have some refinements.

Another thing I'll mention is that Kel-Tec may be introducing a .380 at the SHOT show.

January 7, 2003, 01:34 PM
P-32, the best

Oleg Volk
January 7, 2003, 01:35 PM
Got both and carry one or another as backups. BW was given when my P32 was malfunctioning. A properly functioning P32 is much superior but BW is no slouch, either.

January 7, 2003, 01:42 PM
I've not shot either. Jim March makes a good point. I had a mini 22lr, great, reliable, well made.

I will try a p-32 because I haven't, but everyone says they are great. I do have a P-11, been a great and reliable gun--just based on P-11, I'd go for the P-32, IME Keltec been great, and I like the idea of quick follow ups.

January 7, 2003, 01:48 PM
Bam Bam wrote:
"If you get a P-32 (my choice), be sure to run 500 or so rounds thru it to verify reliability. Also, try to get one with a 90,000+ serial number; the newer ones have some refinements."

If you run 500rds through a P-32, you are likely to break it. They were not meant to be shot a lot and one that can go 1000rds without a breakage or jam is the exception I think rather than the rule.

I had one that broke with the first 50rds I shot through it. I sent it back to Kel-Tec and they sent me a brand new gun. I have put about 400rds through the new one without any problems except with crappy "American Ammo". The last time I shot it, it broke the slide stop:rolleyes: it still works so I am not going to send it in until something major breaks but the gun WILL break. Look at the way it is made and then look at a better gun, you really can't see how cheap the P-32s are until you compare them side by side with a high quality gun.

It may sound like I am bashing them but I am just stating the limits of the thing. I carry one EVERY day of my life now. That is why I like it, I don't have to make an effort to be armed. If I can carry something bigger, I carry either a S&W .38 or a 9mm Firestar but I will carry the P-32 even with these other guns because it is just no problem to do so. This is the first time I have ever carried two gun concealed, it just wasn't possible before the P-32 to do so.

January 7, 2003, 04:58 PM
I saw "Black Widow" and immediately thought the thread was about the original "Black Widow" P-08 Luger. Showing my age, I guess. :(

January 7, 2003, 09:54 PM

I like the .22 Mag, and NAA does great work (on revolvers; my P32 would fire ammo the NAA Guardian wouldn't). However, the more realistic defensive choice of the two is the P-32. Mine has about 300 rounds through it, and after a few hiccups when in the 1st 100 rounds(after dirty), I've had no problems.

I keep trying to convince Kel-Tec to make a .22 Mag! I would really like to see one of the P-32 frame, but with a longer barrel and adjustable sights.

January 7, 2003, 10:19 PM
The Keltec is a great gun for 239 bucks. 239 bucks! Yikes. They sell 200 around here, and thats if you don’t even try to find a deal. $150 or so should be easy to find I’d think....

Oh, I'd go with the Kel-tec as well.

January 7, 2003, 11:49 PM
Gotta recommend the KelTec. Those NAAs are neat little guns but no accuracy at all. And they're single action so you have to have to have time and remember to pull that itty bitty hammer back.

For an acutal carry gun that can be brought into readiness quickly, and that can hit something approx where you want to hit it 7 yards away, there's no contest. Face to face, maybe less so, but I'd still go with the 32 over the 22 every time at such distances.

January 8, 2003, 12:38 PM
I like my P-32 as a BUG. Having said that, I'll be replacing it with Kel Tec's new .380, the P-3AT after it comes out in March. It will be just a tad larger than the P-32 and should be just as concealable in my front pants pocket.

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