F Class T/R 30.06 allowed?

[Lucky]

It's pretty much identical to .308Win, so do they allow people to shoot it, or does it have to go O?

[USSR]

F Class T/R 30.06 allowed?

Lucky,

Unfortunately, No. If they did so, it would dominate that class. "pretty much identical"? Definately not, when you reload. I have shot my .30-06 tactical rifle at 1,000 yards F Class for a couple years now. Sending a 190SMK at 2900+fps puts it in a different class than the .308.

Don

[Jim Watson]

I started F-class with a .30-06 Winchester that is older than I am, but when I got interested enough to set up a purpose built rifle, I got first a .223 and then a .308 because they are all that is allowed in F-T/R and I did not want to get into the "belly benchrest" complexity of F-open.

But if you HAVE an accurate '06, go shooting and see if you like it before spending a lot of money on it.

[Hoser]

The 30-06 may be a "Military" round, but it and suppressors are not allowed.

[Jim Watson]

Muzzle brakes are not allowed in F-class.
There is at present a debate on supressors, everybody would appreciate the reduction in noise but they work as pretty good recoil compensators too, and although I have seen a few in use, they may be out before long.

[Lucky]

Ok thanks all. I need an all-purpose rifle to tide me over until next year, as a gunsmith class where we were going to build them was canceled this year.

I didn't know the ATR came in .308, so I'm special-ordering one. Thanks!

-whoops - can't get an ATR without special order bumping price over $400, so 30.06 it is. I'm just learning anyway, class doesn't matter much since I'm not going to win:)

[Hoser]

they may be out before long

Before long came and went. Some fathead at HQ NRA decided they were muzzle breaks and were in his words, against the spirit of the rule.

With no discussion, process, or warning, cans were ruled illegal. Getting it changed back is going to take a formal appeal in late 2007 at the next rulebook revision.

Just a case of the good old boys afraid of getting beat by some knuckle dragging, punk kid with a suppressor.

[USSR]

I would think it had something to do with suppressors being illegal in some parts of the country.

Don

[Hoser]

And you cant buy ARs in California anymore, yet we still shoot service rifles at Perry...

Catering to a minority is a bad thing. They are legal in 32 states. If they arent legal where you live, move.

[USSR]

Catering to a minority is a bad thing. They are legal in 32 states. If they arent legal where you live, move.

Hoser,

Ah, the tyranny of the majority! I was just suggesting the probable reason for the ruling, don't blame me. And, I'm perfectly happy where I live, thank you.

Don

[Lucky]

Its academic to me, but has anyone considered just making a third class with muzzle attachments allowed? Who cares if they have a muzzle brake?

[Jim Watson]

I care. The dam' things are LOUD. A Long Range shooter is four feet from the next guy and right in line with the ports on most of those "muzzle attachments." If there is to be a class for them, let them all shoot together and deafen each other.

[Hoser]

I would not want to shoot next to someone with a muzzle break. Not just the noise, but the flying debris.

Bad stuff.

The old guard shooting F Class likes things the way they are. And they like the average ago over 50.

Try going to longrange.com and digging around over there. Lots of info.

[Quintin Likely]

Who cares if they have a muzzle brake?
I'm just a low life service rifle shooter, and I care. Brakes are very loud and throw up lots of debris in prone.

[hagar]

I don't just dislike muzzle brakes, I despise them. And not just on the highpower range, because I will be the first to scream bloody murder and evict the offender if it is a really noisy rifle with lots of muzzle blast, but it really annoys me when I go to a range to sight in some rifles, and some mall ninja with an uber tactical ported 378 Weatherby sets up next to me. And I just as much dislike them at the FAL and tactical shoots, but at least when you shoot, you shoot alone. I seldom say anything, because some of these people are good friends of mine. And to be totally honest, every shooter I have ever seen that shot a rifle with a muzzlebrake that looked like a grenade launcher, could not shoot worth a hoot, and just liked making noise.

[Lucky]

Ok I get it now. I was shooting my SKS earlier this week one afternoon at a 50m indoor range, and a guy came in and shot some sort of hot .22. Then a couple guys came in wiht a .338 Lapua and were fireforming brass, shooting cartridges with only a bit of wax for a bullet. I don't understand why you have to do that to shoot .338 brass in a .338 rifle, but that's beside the point. It wasn't comfortable.


About 30-06 ballistics Zak Smith posted a chart in this thread which confirms what USSR said. I've read some people post about packing the powder and then adding more, but never really comprehended, so maybe he just really squishes it in there.
3006 190gr SMK 0.53* 2850 > 2850
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=262635

[bofe954]

And they like the average ago over 50.

Seems like a good way for a sport to die, literally. Every shooting sport should bending over backwards to get young people involved. USPSA seems to be trying, is that just an NRA thing?

[SlamFire1]

I was scoring at a 1000 yard match. The F class shooter on the left had a 300 Win Mag with a boss or some sort of a damn muzzle break. I could not communicate with my shooter and was absolutely shell shocked by the muzzle blast. I informed the match director that I was never going to shoot again next to one of those things. I guess enough people complained.

I will pack up and leave the shooting benches at my range when one of these Magnum muzzle break guys show up. Under a roof the sound is absolutely magnified and offensive.

This is of course off thread. I have shot my 30-06 rifle with irons at 1000 yards a few times. I was never able to push a 200 grain bullet much faster than 2600 fps without experiencing blown or leaking primers. I can get a 190 in the 308 to around 2575 fps but the case pockets don't last for long. A 308 at 1000 yards is a challenge.

[RobMoore]

What is with all you Nancys complaining about noisy rifles?
Ever hear of foamies?

[only1asterisk]

For some distance to either side, muzzlebrake equipped rifles can damage the hearing of a person wearing plugs and muffs.

There may well be some Nancy’s here, but maybe you should reed the rules governing this forum again.

David

[Hoser]

What is with all you Nancys complaining about noisy rifles?
Go troll somewhere else.

[RobMoore]

Originally posted by only1asterisk
For some distance to either side, muzzlebrake equipped rifles can damage the hearing of a person wearing plugs and muffs.


I hadn't heard that before, fair enough. I work on a loud indoor range, and double-up on hearing protection. I always consider it a break to go on the outdoor range because the noise is not an issue there.

As for trolling, please. It wasn't intended to start a flame war. As a Marine and now a cop, I'm used to dealing with thick-skinned people. I guess come across as abrasive to sensitive people.

[only1asterisk]

Welcome to The High Road, Rob. It was founded as polite kind of place. It isn't as polite as it should be, but most of us still try.

David