Best scope mount for Mosin Nagant 91-30?


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Matt Dillon
March 26, 2007, 08:58 AM
Folks, I have a 1927 hex receiver Mosin Nagant 91-30 converted dragoon, and would like to put a scope on it. Not a pistol scope, but a rifle scope.

Please don't flame me, telling me why not just leave it alone, in pristine condition.

I have eyes that are older than 50 years old, and I don't enjoy shooting rifles with iron sights. I know that there are those that think mounting a scope on this rifle is some sort of sacrilege, but if I don't enjoy shooting a rifle, I won't shoot it, and I don't have my rifles laying around for purely sentimental and historic purposes, I enjoy shooting them.

I understand that someone on the net will bend my bolt, but I am asking you all for your experience with the most stable, easy to use scope mount for this rifle.

Thanks in advance for your help and replies, and any other insight or experience you might want to share regarding turning an OK shooter into a tack driver:confused: !

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cwmcgu2
March 26, 2007, 09:59 AM
I put a S&K scout mount on my M44 along with the Leupold 2.5x LER scout scope. I don't know if you meant no LER scopes by excluding pistol scopes, the Leupold as well as the Burris 2.75x scopes are intended for use on a scout rifle. I love the setup and it should be a improvement over the iron sights for your aging eyes.

Otherwise there are two options I know of... the first is a mount made by Advanced Technologies: http://www.centerfiresystems.com/productimages/advancedtech/MNTMOI01_MOI0600-RIGHT-B.jpg
I've heard mixed reviews for this setup, but I think its more along the lines of what you are looking for.

The second option is the traditional PU scope:
http://www.centerfiresystems.com/ProductImages/optics/SC9130PU-TT.jpg
You can find reproduction scopes and mounts, but this is a better option for those who have 91/30 ex-snipers that already have the holes drilled to accept the mount.

Go to http://www.centerfiresystems.com for info and pricing on the second two options. Another place you should check out is http://www.surplusrifle.com , theres a bunch of articles regarding customizing your Mosin. Good luck.

NC-Mike
March 26, 2007, 10:35 AM
You could a 91/30 with a repo scope mounted on it for around 350.00. If you're not in love with your current Mosin, you then sell it for a 100 and have one that looks like a sniper for 250.00


http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g312/Mike____Smith/Miscellaneous/mosin_with_scope.jpg


I'm wishing I had bought one of those but it's too late now. If you look around, you could also find just the scope and mount and put it on your rifle.
I know Century has scout mounts for 25.00 so that will the cheaper route.

The Deer Hunter
March 26, 2007, 10:46 AM
If you get the PU mount, keep in mind the rings are 26.5mm, so a regular scope wont mount in it.

Matt Dillon
March 26, 2007, 10:46 AM
Thanks folks, for your suggestions. I am not really interested in a LER scope; I have one on my M44 that works very well, I believe that it is a Darrell scope mount. It is very steady, but I really want to put on a scope that has some magnification to it, and thus want to find a mount that will work with a regular 1" tube scope. I don't wish to buy a sniper reproduction; I would like to fix my rifle up with a nice scope. Please continue to send advice and suggestions - I have heard mixed reviews about the ATI mount, but would love to hear more from people who have actually mounted a modern scope on their Mosin Nagants.:)

NC-Mike
March 26, 2007, 11:06 AM
Are you going to drill and tap the mount to the receiver yourself? That's the way a lot of "sporters" done in the gun stores.

Check this site. They have both the scout scope and a receiver mount kit that comes with drill and tap.

http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mos.html

Matt Dillon
March 26, 2007, 11:38 AM
I probably will have a gunsmith drill and tap for the mount, as my only attempt to drill and tap a rifle ended up, shall we say, less than I would have desired. Thanks so much, and I will look into this site.

longrifleman
March 26, 2007, 12:06 PM
http://www.gswagner.com/mosin-nagant/mnsporter.html

Details on a complete project at that site. A hex reciever might complicate things, but at least an interesting read.

My eyes are giving the same problems so I've been contemplating buying another 91-30 to scope just because myself. Keep us posted on your progress. Pictures are always good. Hint hint.:D

Cosmoline
March 26, 2007, 12:13 PM
I have eyes that are older than 50 years old, and I don't enjoy shooting rifles with iron sights.

Why don't you sell it and get a rifle set up to go with a standard scope? It's like buying a standard transmission if your right hand is missing, then complaining about the lack of an auto trannie. By the time you've spent the money to have a smith do it you could have had a much more accurate rifle that's easier for you to use.

Smith or no, if you put on one of those ATI kits the rifle will look like absolute garbage. The only way to do it is either a scout mount or a PU style with a bent bolt body swapped out for the straight bolt.

but if I don't enjoy shooting a rifle, I won't shoot it,

Then sell it.

Matt Dillon
March 26, 2007, 12:22 PM
Thanks, Cosmoline, for your comments, but I happen to really like this rifle - I don't want to sell it, I just want to make it more useable for me.
I can't believe that it will cost THAT much to find a good scope mount and get the bolt bent. It only cost me $49.00 ~3 years ago, and it is a great shooter with iron sights, and I can only imagine that with a good scope, I will be very happy with it. That's why I am willing to spend a few dollars on getting it fixed up.

oldfart
March 26, 2007, 01:10 PM
Matt, I picked up a Mosin that had been the subject of several attempts to mount a scope. Some of the holes had been drilled in the wrong places and a tap had broken off in one of them. In the end, the owner died and his wife sold me the remains (of the rifle :D) for next to nothing. I ended up using the ATI mount which needs a bit of modification in its own right. The underside of the base has some pretty sharp corners and edges that make old hands leak a lot. Grind 'em off and hit 'em with some Aluma-hyde.
The mount is pretty solid and certainly adequate for hunting or plinking but the bolt-handle adapter is a certified POS! Either have the handle bent by a good 'smith or go to Steve Wagner's site www.gswagner.com/ for a do-it-yourself method.
As for Cosmoline... He's a good man. He knows his stuff, but his opinion is no better than yours or mine or anybody elses. It's your rifle, do what you want with it.

TIMC
March 26, 2007, 01:42 PM
I scoped my 91/30 a few months ago with a PU scope and mount and it came out great but probably cost about $75 more than if I had bought one already done. I have seen the snipers complete for $400 + shipping and with transfer fee about $450 total.
To have mine done...
Rifle $100
Bent bolt body $65
Repro PU scope and mount $300
Gunsmith to drill/tap and mount scope $60
My total cost was $525.
I am happy with it!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v369/timc/Nagantsniperrefinished.jpg?t=1174930735

MilsurpShooter
March 26, 2007, 02:14 PM
Well, not a fan of doing what you want to do to a rifle of that year. However, it's your's, you like to shoot it, so I'll not put my two cents in on your rifle.

That out of the way, with the hex reciever you run into some difficulties if you go with an original WWII era type scope. http://www.mosinnagant.net/sniper%20section/sniperphotos1.asp This link will give you some good photos of the original Hex reciever style Scope mount. It's possible to get the original PU Scope mount working on the Hex reciever however it's somewhat cumbersome to get working and takes some modification to metal and stock.

There's 3 different types of scopes that were originally configured on the Mosin Sniper rifles. the PE, the PEM, and the PU, I might be forgetting one or two however, going on memory. The PEM scope and the rail AFAIK aren't even copied as the PU Scope and mounts are, same with the PE. You can probably find a PE but I would think it would cost alot more then it would if you were to find a decent repro on E-bay, $300 I believe.

So, what are your options? PU scope mount reproduction. Some of these are done very well, very nicely made. E-Bay and even the Sportsmans Guide have these for sale at times.

http://cgi.ebay.com/RUSSIAN-MOSIN-NAGANT-91-30-SNIPER-SCOPE-and-Scope-MOUNT_W0QQitemZ220095292136QQcategoryZ10954QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here's a decent looking one that's under $300, even if he does have the scope installed upside down. Anyhow. You could go the modern equivilant and go with the ATI type mount and bolt conversion. I've no experience with the mount itself, however, I never trusted the way they have you modify the bolt. I've had to use some hard force to get that bolt open at times, and to trust it to a bolt held in with a screw... :scrutiny:

Anyhow, it's your rifle, it's yours to do with what you will. It's just a question of what type of mount, scope and other things you want with it

ben ogilvie
March 26, 2007, 03:18 PM
http://www.rocksolidinc.com

NC-Mike
March 26, 2007, 03:32 PM
Are you sure your link is correct?

crowsnest2002
March 26, 2007, 04:48 PM
Well if all that doesnt fancy you you could use a piece of angle Iron with a weaver rail mounted on top of it.

ben ogilvie
March 26, 2007, 05:12 PM
Sorry guys, link does'nt work, mounts are available at http://www.tngunparts.com

DonP
March 26, 2007, 07:09 PM
Go here:

http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2006/mosinsniperproject/index.asp

It's a pretty easy way to put a nice 91/30 sniper together and includes all the detailed instructions, step by step.

FWIW, drilling and tapping the receiver is actually easier than he makes it sound in his directions, if you have any machine tool experience at all.

akolleth
March 26, 2007, 07:44 PM
Well like the link DonP gave you, I added a POSP to my 91/30. Optics are low price ($100) but nice military quality. Mount will run you $20 or so, and the bent bolt another $40. So basically $160 to have a modern, quality scope arraignment. Drilling and tapping really was easy. Much easier than I thought it would be.

http://home.earthlink.net/~akolleth/mosin1.jpg

Matt Dillon
March 26, 2007, 07:51 PM
Thanks so much, folks, for your pictures and advice. For a variety of reasons, I really don't want to go with an original sniper scope, nor a POSP. I have a 4x POSP on my AK, which I really like a lot, but I would like to mount a regular zoom scope on this 91/30. I am going to check out your links this evening. Thanks again so much for your help!

mrcpu
March 27, 2007, 02:44 AM
It' syour rifle, do what you want with it. WHen mine shows up in a couple days, I'll be looking to do the exact same thing, although the old mk I eyeball is only 42 instead of 50+...

Given that there's 90 zillion MN's out there, a few more wiht a bastardized scope only helps increase the value of the other 89-odd zillion...

bogie
March 27, 2007, 02:53 AM
learn to shoot with iron sights.

dubious
March 27, 2007, 04:13 AM
Learn to shoot with iron sights? The guy told you his eyes aren't what they used to be... no need to give him a hard time. I'm 28 and I feel like iron sights can be hard on my eyes (but I LIKE them).

OK... here's another option. I've heard good things about Darryl's scout scope mounts. From what I've heard they are the only mounts that don't require drilling and tapping and hold their zero. That's because they have a lot of screws, I think. I think the mounts are in the $50 range.

Darrel's Forum with ordering info is here:
http://p077.ezboard.com/fparallaxscurioandrelicfirearmsforumsfrm85


Also you can read a article which discusses installation of said mount here:
http://www.surplusrifle.com/shooting2005/mosinscoutrifle/index.asp

The main issue the guy at surplusrifle rain into was the brass screws were getting stripped, so he replaced them with steel screws from the hardware store and then he was a happy camper.

If you go the scout route, then you don't need to get a bent bolt and all that. Otherwise, I'd probably go the PU scope because I THINK you can still see the iron sights. I love that kind of dual functionality.

Whatever you do, post an update so we can learn from your experience.

silverlance
March 27, 2007, 05:05 AM
the guy has darrel mounts already. doesn't want it.
doens't like pe pu pem.
wants to put on a modern scope.

so.. say a m91/30 with a SuperSniper? Okay, I suppose it can be done.

I've herad that there are folks out there making cantilever mounts. that would do the trick.

failing that go to kalinkaoptics and see what kind of side mounts you can find.

there just isn't enough metal on a nagant receiver to mount a scope imho.

akolleth
March 27, 2007, 06:13 AM
Well then, two things I might recomend then given you do not want to use a POSP, nor PU -

1- Go with the ATI mount that cwmcgu2 showed at the very beginning.
The top rail where the scope is mounted is supposed to be fine, and would do fine. BUT do not use the bolt handle. That thing looks like junk, and is a real hack job. Instead go to here to have your own bolt bent for you (looks and works 1000x better)
http://www.mosinparts.com/

Total price ready for scope, about $80

or==

2- Get this POSP mount, http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=282667&kwtid=209030

with this side rail with 1" rings already attached
http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/detail.aspx?ID=186

Total price ready for scope, $70

Matt Dillon
March 27, 2007, 08:39 AM
Thanks again, folks, for all your advice and opinions. I like the idea of mounting the POSP scope mount with the 1" rings. That looks as though it might work. I love the fact that I can take my 4xPOSP off the AK and put it right back on without losing zero, and that would be nice for this rifle as well. Thanks again, and if anyone has any experience or advice, please continue to comment!

Matt Dillon
March 27, 2007, 07:34 PM
How many have tried that ATI scope mount? It looks as though it and the side mount (like the AK side mount) are so far the only options for a real scope. I'm concerned that it is only held in with 2 screws - Anyone tried this?

akolleth
March 27, 2007, 08:25 PM
Here is an article where the gentleman uses an ATI mount to sporterize his M44, He seems to really like the mount.

http://www.surplusrifle.com/carbinenagant/oddsandends3/index.asp

1938mosinnagant
January 24, 2009, 06:42 PM
I have a 1938 refurb gun i bought from a friend dirt cheap and it shoot real good but i would like to turn it into a hunting rifle any suggestions on what kind of scope i should put on it. I want something that is pretty powerful as far as zoom goes...

Todd1700
January 25, 2009, 12:22 AM
Check here http://www.accumounts.com/ They have a PEM style scope mount for a 91/30 Mosin Nagant that will let you use a regular scope. It will require drill and tapping the reciever.

Clipper
January 25, 2009, 09:10 AM
Without a doubt, the best mount system I've ever seen.

rocksolidind.com

And this link works. Not real cheap, but worth it.

701
January 26, 2009, 11:17 AM
I bought an m44 with the ATI kit already installed. Personally wasnt a big fan, simply because It places the scope a little high for my preferences, however it does seem exceptionally sturdy in my limited experience with it. ( I could replace the stock with a Monte Carlo with a higher cheek piece, but a previous owner did a really cool tiger stripe finish on the stock and I cannot abandon it.)
That being said, I would like to remove it, but am not sure it this mount can be undone. Has anyone done this out there? Do I need to "plug" the holes after I remove the mount? If so, can I use shorter screws , or just some sort of filler? I just don't want a "Gas port" right in front of my face for obvious reasons.
I think you may like the ATI mount, but it really isn't for me. However, this is the first rifle I've ever had a scope on save for a .22, and I just don't really like them in general, so I am no expert. Good luck, and remember, an original finish gun that you don't shoot is about as useful as a trailer queen car that you are afraid to drive. Perfect if you're into that sort of thing, but if you're not, then by all means do what needs to be done to it to enjoy it, just make sure it is done right, so you don't end up ruining something. (I excel at ruining things it seems, so I try to only get creative with things that are already altered)
Good Luck!

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