Colorado Passes anti-CCW bill


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Desk Jockey
March 28, 2007, 07:43 PM
In spite of the first-sentence description, this new law will affect any US citizen who carries with an out-of-state CCW license.

House Democrats pass anti-gun bill to guv

http://http://www.coloradosenatenews.com/content/view/324/26/ (http://www.coloradosenatenews.com/content/view/324/26/)

Wednesday, 28 March 2007

House legislators approved a Senate Democrat measure today barring Colorado residents on using out-of-state concealed carry permits for their self-defense needs.

The bill is now en route to Gov. Bill Ritter for consideration.
Senate Bill 34, by freshman Sen. John Morse, D-Colorado Springs, and House Majority Leader Alice Madden, D-Boulder, restricts Colorado’s recognition of valid out-of-state concealed-carry firearms permits. It passed in the House by a mostly party-line vote of 36-29.

Sen. Greg Brophy, R-Wray, expressed his displeasure of the bill’s outcome in the House.

“The Legislature has taken its first shot at the Second Amendment,” said Brophy after learning of the House vote on the proposal. “I’m anxious to see if the governor will stand up for the Second Amendment or not.”

During its Senate debate, SB 34 became an immediate, top-priority target of opposition from gun-rights groups led by the National Rifle Association.

Critics of the bill point out there is no point in creating another bureaucratic hurdle to concealed-carry permit holders arriving in Colorado from other states because, like permit holders in Colorado, they are overwhelmingly law-abiding citizens.

Democrat Senators Lois Tochtrop, of Thornton, and Bob Hagedorn, of Aurora, and Jim Isgar, of Hesperus, voted with a majority of GOP senators against SB 34 last month.

“What concerned me was that out-of-state valid permit holders who come to Colorado are breaking the law (under the bill),” said Isgar.

Republicans argued in the Senate that SB 34 should be re-written to expand current law so that Colorado would recognize every valid concealed-carry firearms permit issued to legal citizens of the United States.

“This bill is an unnecessary restriction on concealed-carry permit holders,” Brophy said. “I’m disappointed that it’s moving on.”

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glockman19
March 28, 2007, 07:57 PM
It's a sad day in CO. one of teh reasons I got my Utah CHP & Florida CWP was so I could carry when going to CO. I hope the Gov. has the sense not to sign it.

AJ Dual
March 28, 2007, 08:12 PM
Sucks, and it ought to be fought, but it's not the end of the world. It's forcing Colorado residents from carrying on out of state CCW permits. I don't see it doing anything about out of staters carrying on out of state CCW's... (Does the bill require out-state visitors to have a license from their state of residence?)

But forcing residents to have a permit from their state is something most shall-issue CCW states do.

Sounds like it mainly is bad for newly arrived residents of CO who may have to wait while they switch permits.

Desk Jockey
March 28, 2007, 08:16 PM
It does nothing about out of staters carrying on out of state CCW's...

Sorry, you're wrong.

If you want to carry in Colorado after this law, you must have a permit from your state of residence, and that state must have reciprocity with Colorado.

The reporters don't like to include that detail, but if you read the bill, it's very clear. It's even clear in the bill summary:

A BILL FOR AN ACT CONCERNING CLARIFICATION OF RESIDENCY STATUS FOR THE PURPOSE OF GRANTING RECIPROCITY TO CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMITS ISSUED BY STATES OTHER THAN COLORADO.

Bill Summary

Clarifies that a person cannot use a permit to carry a concealed handgun that is issued by another state if the person does not reside in the issuing state.

Bill as a pdf file is here. (http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2007a/csl.nsf/fsbillcont3/2FF2281D159DF18087257251007C51CE?Open&file=034_rer.pdf)

but it's not the end of the world
You're right about that, and it doesn't affect me directly. I have a Colorado permit. But I'm still quite ticked off. Not the end of the world, but it is one more chip taken from our rights. This bill fixes no problems, and does not affect a single criminal. It only takes away from the rights of some law-abiding citizens. For what???

Standing Wolf
March 28, 2007, 09:06 PM
I hope the Gov. has the sense not to sign it.

It's a representative of the Democratic (sic) party.

Rumble
March 28, 2007, 09:11 PM
Huh. I guess I won't be visiting Colorado anytime soon.

Risasi
March 28, 2007, 09:23 PM
Me either...about time to go island shopping. Pirate Bay never bought that one for sale did they?

[EDIT] Sorry, I'm in a facetious mood tonight. Busy tied up with two auto thefts and a couple other break-ins. Reviewing videos and other evidence has left me a bit woozy and more than a little irritable.

The plus side, we got the ID on one of them...

txgho1911
March 28, 2007, 10:22 PM
This is about revenue. In addition to sticking it to those who actually carry on a license or permit. This will force people to get home state papers where they are not issued, or insufficient in the eyes of CO legislature or issuing authority.
CO residents will have to spend the big bucks for the CO papers.

Does this affect open carry by those without proper papers? Or does open carry there require papers as well?

Jim K
March 28, 2007, 10:30 PM
I would oppose the bill on general principles, but it doesn't sound any worse than requiring CO residents to have CO driver's licenses, not licenses issued by Florida. But Coloradans can apparently get CCW licenses.

The problem comes when your state won't issue CCW licenses to other than wealthy businessmen and a few elite politicians, and won't recognize a license issued by any other state, period. If they did that with driver's licenses, there would be hell to pay.

Jim

gyp_c2
March 28, 2007, 10:50 PM
...if HB 1174 passes, everyone with a CCW will be a member of the criminal database...
So...you can still get one, but they are trying to make sure you are then accessible through the criminal database as well...
...sucks...
...welcome to Coloradofornia...:barf: http://emoticons4u.com/smoking/rauch06.gif

joe4702
March 28, 2007, 11:15 PM
Looks like the California refugees have voted in the same type of liberal pols that have made a mess of California. Freaking moron voters.

Anotherguy
March 29, 2007, 01:25 AM
That's too bad. Just got my Utah license and Florida is on the way. Actually had a trip planned to Colorado this summer to visit some relatives on my wife's side.
Please post the names of which politicians to put some calls in if it will help. I've had lots of practice this year since I live in the most unfriendly gun county and state in America-Cook County, IL.

wdlsguy
March 29, 2007, 01:25 AM
Bill Ritter, Governor
136 State Capitol
Denver, CO 80203-1792

Phone
(303) 866-2471

Fax
(303) 866-2003

Governor.ritter@state.co.us

http://www.colorado.gov/governor/contact.html

Cacique500
March 29, 2007, 10:55 AM
Georgia does this to a degree. If you are a resident of Georgia, you may not use another states CCW to carry. What's frustrating is that it's taking 4 to 6 months to get a permit in GA and my valid FL CCW was not recognized the day I got my GA drivers license.

Stupid.

I understand the revenue part - but what GA does is basically disarm you for the period between establishing residency (drivers license) and the time you get your permit.

There's a real simple solution to this - all the state has to do is allow the out of state CCW permits ALONG WITH a copy of your in-state CCW application. :cuss:

TallPine
March 29, 2007, 11:06 AM
welcome to Coloradofornia
Which I left 10 yrs ago ;)

AJ Dual
March 29, 2007, 11:51 AM
Wow, that really blows.

They ought to at least put in universal recognition of all other state licenses, and out-state licences for non-issuing states then.

But that's obviously not what this bill is about. :(

LAR-15
March 29, 2007, 01:06 PM
Ritter will sign it

JLStorm
March 29, 2007, 01:17 PM
this is what happens when you allow the plague of california to run rampant through your state. If only people from California where banned from carrying their political disease with them when they travel to other states....:barf:

Sistema1927
March 29, 2007, 01:18 PM
Even though ti doesn't impact me personally (I have a resident NM CCW), it is just another example of why I haven't found it necessary to spend any of my discretionary income vacationing in Colorado the last several years. I think that the last time I was there was for the Colorado Rockies first home game in April of 1993. If I want a dose of MLB I head to Phoenix during the season or Tucson for Spring training (like I did a couple fo weeks ago).

Utah, Texas, and Arizona? Yes. Colorado? No.

Has something happened to that "clear, mountain water"?

GhostlyKarliion
March 29, 2007, 01:24 PM
people, please read the text of the bill before commenting...


1 Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Colorado:
2 SECTION 1. 18-12-213, Colorado Revised Statutes, is amended
3 to read:
4 18-12-213. Reciprocity. (1) A permit to carry a concealed
5 handgun or a concealed weapon that is issued to a person
6 by a state that recognizes the validity of permits
7 issued pursuant to this part 2 shall be valid in this state in all respects as
8 a permit issued pursuant to this part 2 IF THE PERMIT IS ISSUED TO A
9 PERSON WHO IS:
10 (a) TWENTY-ONE YEARS OF AGE OR OLDER; AND
11 (b) (I) A RESIDENT OF THE STATE THAT ISSUED THE PERMIT, AS
12 DEMONSTRATED BY THE ADDRESS STATED ON A VALID PICTURE
13 IDENTIFICATION THAT IS ISSUED BY THE STATE THAT ISSUED THE PERMIT
14 AND IS CARRIED BY THE PERMIT HOLDER; OR
15 (II) A RESIDENT OF COLORADO FOR NO MORE THAN NINETY DAYS,
16 AS DETERMINED BY THE DATE OF ISSUANCE ON A VALID PICTURE
17 IDENTIFICATION ISSUED BY COLORADO AND CARRIED BY THE PERMIT
18 HOLDER.
19 (2) FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SECTION, A "VALID PICTURE
20 IDENTIFICATION" MEANS A DRIVER'S LICENSE OR A STATE IDENTIFICATION
21 ISSUED IN LIEU OF A DRIVER'S LICENSE.
22 SECTION 2. Safety clause. The general assembly hereby finds,
23 determines, and declares that this act is necessary for the immediate
24 preservation of the public peace, health, and safety.

Non-Residents of colorado may still carry their CCW as long as they have a drivers license from their home state, it's residents that cannot carry with an out of state permit.

The part that ticks me off is the "saftey clause", I really do not understand what kind of processes these people must have going on inside of their heads to think like this.

Zak Smith
March 29, 2007, 01:32 PM
Non-Residents of colorado may still carry their CCW as long as they have a drivers license from their home state, it's residents that cannot carry with an out of state permit.


A RESIDENT OF THE STATE THAT ISSUED THE PERMIT,
Nope. Non-residents must have a CCW FROM THEIR HOME STATE.

For example, if someone from WI (which has no CCW) had a FL permit, under this bill they can no longer CCW in CO.

Desk Jockey
March 29, 2007, 01:40 PM
Non-Residents of colorado may still carry their CCW as long as they have a drivers license from their home state, it's residents that cannot carry with an out of state permit

How do you reach that conclusion after reading the bill?

It says this:
A permit will be recognized in Colorado if it is from a state with reciprocity and issued
a) to a person who is at least 21 years old AND
b) either 1) a resident of the issuing state
or 2) a new resident of Colorado whose CO DL is no more than 90 days old.


If your DL says that you live in NM and your carry permit is issued by any state other than NM, your carry permit will not be valid in CO. The only people who will be allowed to carry with a permit issued by a state not matching the state issuing their DL are new residents of CO - for a maximum of 90 days.

The "safety clause" is standard language on every CO bill that I've bothered to read - including the one that will tack a $15 fee onto every FFL transfer. It's obviously complete and utter BS, but that makes no difference to politicians.

romma
March 29, 2007, 01:46 PM
This is why we could use National reciprocity. I paid for a Florida Permit and New Hampshire for this reason... Not many states recognize my CT permit. The tide seems to be turning somewhat.

GhostlyKarliion
March 29, 2007, 01:53 PM
How do you reach that conclusion after reading the bill?

simple, removed the wrong typo when checking for typing problems...

it should have read

Non-Residents of colorado may still carry their CCW from their home state as long as they have a drivers license from their home state, it's residents that cannot carry with an out of state permit

Desk Jockey
March 29, 2007, 02:06 PM
it's residents that cannot carry with an out of state permit

Colorado residents and non-residents are affected.

Everyone with a permit from their state of residence is still legal. But non-resident permits will not be recognized. This affects anyone with a non-resident permit, no matter what state they live in.

ShelleyB.
March 29, 2007, 02:43 PM
I just telephoned the Governers office and advised them it wasn't only Colorado citizens that were unhappy with this bill.

Told the lady we enjoyed our LAST vacation in Colorado and hoped the Governer vetoed the bill.

It's so easy to make a call. If enough out of staters call, perhaps the thought of losing tourism dollars might cause reconsideration.

glockman19
March 29, 2007, 02:48 PM
If your state has reciprocity with CO please call your Governor and urge him/her to contact Governor Ritter of CO and urge him NOT to sign the bill. Perhaps the threat of removing their reciprocity will cause him not to.

I live in California in Los Angeles and one of the reasons I got my UT & FL permits was when I travel to CO. It is IMPOSSIBLE for any Los Angeles resident to get a CCW. Unless you're LEO or a large financial contributor to the LA County Sheriff's Department's Chief Lee Bacca.

Please Do what you can. make a call send an e-mail, anything.

Our right's and freedoms are being chipped away slowly.

"if every chineese citizen were to take one grain of sand from a beach the beach would disappear"

Our freedoms are being taken away in the same manner.

KillshotRB
March 29, 2007, 03:04 PM
This is just the first step. The Dems are only trying to create such a mess of complex laws pertaining to traveling with a firearm in hopes that the responsible ccw holders will just say "screw it" and decide not to carry. It's all in their pipe dream for a gun free America.

They have to get that Schumer out of the White House, soon...He is a huge influence on all of these moronic gun laws.


Complete bull****. :cuss:

ClonaKilty
March 29, 2007, 03:14 PM
Everyone with a permit from their state of residence is still legal. But non-resident permits will not be recognized. This affects anyone with a non-resident permit, no matter what state they live in.

OK, dumb question here but with all the back & forth on this thread I don't have a clear answer.

I have a CCW from my home state (OR). However my home state does NOT have reciprocity with CO.

So, assuming this bill is signed into law:
Can I carry legally in CO, relying on my valid OR CCW & driver's license?

Liberal Gun Nut
March 29, 2007, 03:31 PM
This is not an anti-CCW bill. This is a good bill. Colorado is shall-issue. Colorado residents who want to carry in Colorado should get Colorado CCWs. Duh.

Zak Smith
March 29, 2007, 03:47 PM
Why?

There are other states who require the same or more training, have less expensive fees, and won't put the CCW holders in the "persons of interest" database.

DrewH
March 29, 2007, 03:48 PM
Under this bill to carry in Colorado as a non-resident you must:

1) Have a CCW,

2) Issued by the state you reside in, (as determined by your driver's license or other state photo ID)

3) Your state must recognize CO's CCW

4 (And you must be over 21)

Since in the case of Oregon you say it does not recognize Colorado's CCW you cannot carry in Colorado.

ClonaKilty
March 29, 2007, 04:04 PM
Since in the case of Oregon you say it does not recognize Colorado's CCW you cannot carry in Colorado.

Thus it IS an anti-CCW bill. It will prevent many out-of-state people from carrying there.

Desk Jockey
March 29, 2007, 04:17 PM
This is a good bill.

I have to disagree. Any bill that restricts the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens; does not address a defined problem; and has no effect on criminals, cannot be "a good bill".

It doesn't bother me very much that Colorado residents will need a Colorado permit (although the "CCIC database" issue IS a good reason for a resident to look elsewhere for a permit).

It bothers me a lot that residents of the 25 states who do not have reciprocity with Colorado will NOT be allowed to legally carry in this state under any circumstances, even though they CAN legally carry in many other states, and they could carry here previously (assuming they hold a non-resident permit from FL, UT, etc).

If there was some compelling reason to restrict those people's 2A rights, then I might be able to understand the purpose of this law. But there is no reason; the bill was proposed only to chip away at your rights and mine, and to make some dirtbag politicians (that's YOU, John Morse) feel self-important.

It is decidedly NOT a good bill.

Colorado's official reciprocity list is here. (http://cbi.state.co.us/ccw/reciprocity.asp)

ClonaKilty
March 29, 2007, 04:33 PM
It bothers me a lot that residents of the 25 states who do not have reciprocity with Colorado will NOT be allowed to legally carry in this state under any circumstances, even though they CAN legally carry in many other states

Oregon's CCW (CHL actually) law is similar. It is shall-issue for residents and may-issue for nonresidents, but only those who live in adjoining states :rolleyes: Further out and you basically can't carry in OR.

It is a stupid, pointless distinction and I hope CO doesn't join OR in this regard.

Zundfolge
March 29, 2007, 04:37 PM
You must understand what happened here in the last election.

The Democrats took control of all branches of government here in Colorado and they are making DAMN SURE we know who's boss now (on a positive note, there's a good chance the Dems reach will outdo their grasp and they'll awaken the GOP here and get themselves fired next election).

Ritter will NOT be swayed against this bill as its his idea ... John Morse is his stooge that somehow got elected in one of the most conservative/Republican districts in the country (El Paso County Colorado has been a Republican stronghold for ages).


Keep in mind that our current governor was the DA in Denver and pushed for the passage of their AWB (the city and county of Denver has an AWB) He's spent his entire career trying to make Denver as much like Chicago as possible.


This bill is a stair step for them. I expect the Dems will now try to push to end CCW, expand the Denver AWB to statewide and all sorts of other evil (for example John Morse is fighting to make it illegal for gas stations to offer discounted gas because its "unfair").



I escaped The People's Holy Republic of Kansas for Colorado just in time to see it ruined by all the damn Californians :fire:

Stuff doesn't turn around here soon and I'm gonna have to head for Montana or something.

Liberal Gun Nut
March 29, 2007, 05:01 PM
If CO repeals its shall-issue law it will be the first state ever to do such a thing. It will be interesting to see what happens.

glockman19
March 29, 2007, 05:06 PM
Today I wrote a nice e-mail to the good Gov. urging him not to sign the bill into law. I also called every other state that has reciprocity with CO and left a nice message for that states Gov. to contact him alluding the the fact that they should not honor the CO permit anymore if therer was not complete reciprocity.

Now it's just wait & see.

Where is the NRA on this issue? Who else can we contact?

Desk Jockey
March 29, 2007, 05:37 PM
Care to discuss this with those who see it 180-degrees differently?

Keep it on the high road, please.....
http://www.progressnowaction.org/page/community/post/ralphtrenary/C2XQ#comment-C3Qz

Desk Jockey
March 29, 2007, 05:40 PM
Where is the NRA on this issue? Who else can we contact?

I hate to sound defeatist, but really.... it's a done deal. All this is waiting for is the governor's signature. The governor loves this kind of thing. As a DA in Denver, he was very much anti-gun.

SoCalShooter
March 29, 2007, 05:44 PM
If the national reciprocity bill is pased, would'nt it nullify this bill? Does anyone know or have an idea?

Ponygirl
March 29, 2007, 05:50 PM
I escaped The People's Holy Republic of Kansas for Colorado just in time to see it ruined by all the damn Californians
What do you mean by "The People's Holy Republic of Kansas"?

Stuff doesn't turn around here soon and I'm gonna have to head for Montana or something.
What happens when the statists ruin Montana? I understand how you feel but I think if we don't fight this bs will spread everywhere.

Zundfolge
March 29, 2007, 06:04 PM
What do you mean by "The People's Holy Republic of Kansas"?
I have often said that left to its own devices, Kansas would become a Socialist Theocratic Police State.

Its a strange place politically.


What happens when the statists ruin Montana?
Maybe I'm in a more cynical than usual mood today, but honestly the statist are going to ruin the entire freakin' planet. Liberty will die because people want to be slaves in gilded shackles. As long as they eat regularly, are still allowed to watch TV and have any kind of sex they want they'll welcome the coming global Socialist police state with open arms. I'm tired of fighting this loosing battle ... I just want to live my life in peace. The good lord has seen fit to keep my wife and I from being able to have children, so I don't have any reason to change things for any future generation ... I just want to live the next few decades as I wish and then the public school indoctrinated socialist children can have this ball of mud.


Edit: Sorry if that came across like I was slapping you down or something. :uhoh:

anotherKevin
March 29, 2007, 07:09 PM
this is what happens when you allow the plague of california to run rampant through your state. If only people from California where banned from carrying their political disease with them when they travel to other states....

Now looky here, as a resident of CA I fully understand that there's political problems here, but just a brief search of the bills writers show that they appear to be native to CO.

Bash CA for whatever you want, but don't blame us for your own idiotically performing government. After all, YOU voted them in, not Californians.

Basically, I think CA has become the "excuse" Coloradans use whenever they screw up.

Desk Jockey
March 29, 2007, 07:20 PM
While Colorado residents are certainly responsible for their voting choices, it can't be denied that the influx of people moving from more liberal states has changed the political climate over the past 10-15 years.

From the Colorado Business Journal, January 1997:
http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/1997/02/03/editorial2.html

As has been widely reported, a great many of the people moving into the state, almost 20 percent as reported in 1994 income tax returns, came from California. Texas was the second largest state of origin. Colorado, along with other western states, has been a destination point for many Californians moving out of the state during the 1990s. The Census Bureau reported in 1996 that California had lost about one and one-half million residents to other states in the five years ending in July 1995.

And from 2006:
http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=713

Western states are turning purple, and migrating Californians might be to blame, says a Los Angeles Times opinion piece today. West Coasters who can’t afford the rent are resettling in once-dependable GOP territories like Colorado, Nevada, and Wyoming, and they’re bringing their liberal views with them:

And from the LA Times in 2006:
Long link to partial archived story (http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/1134607571.html?dids=1134607571:1134607571&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&type=current&date=Sep+25%2C+2006&author=Ryan+Sager&pub=Los+Angeles+Times&edition=&startpage=B.11&desc=Californians%2C+here+we+go)

The trend is so pronounced that demographer William Frey says Arizona and Nevada "are essentially now becoming appendages of California." Nevada stands out in particular, with 18% of its residents (as of the 2000 census) having been born in California. In Arizona, the number is 8%. The other Mountain states post some impressive numbers too: 9% of Idaho, 7% of Utah, 6% of Colorado and 5% of Montana. In New Mexico, where Bush won in 2004 by about 6,000 votes, 79,000 ex-Californians lived there as of 2000.

In 2006, Democrats have strong pickup possibilities in the races for the Colorado and Nevada governorships. Sen. Conrad Burns in Montana, a Republican tied tightly to the Jack Abramoff lobbying scandal, is extremely vulnerable. And House races in Arizona, Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico have become unexpectedly rough for Republicans.

Can we send any of them back to you yet? :D


Full disclosure: I moved here from Virginia 6 years ago. I'm not a Republican or a Democrat, and I'm not even close to being a Colorado native.

PedalBiker
March 29, 2007, 07:56 PM
Colorado has so few natives that nearly all elections are determined by the recent migrants (myself included).

Part of the bad part of the coastal housing/mortgage credit bubble is the housing refugees from the coasts are swamping the middle states. Colorado had so few people it didn't take much migration for the demographics to switch.

It takes a while to get a CCW, but you can vote immediately.

SoCalShooter
March 29, 2007, 08:04 PM
Is there anyone here who can answer my previous question?

Zundfolge
March 29, 2007, 10:13 PM
SoCalShooter, I'm thinking it would, but honestly the national reciprocity bill is 1) not going to pass and 2) even if it does there will be so many legal challenges to it right off the bat that it'll be another decade before the issue is settled.

Gray Peterson
March 29, 2007, 10:49 PM
If the national reciprocity bill is pased, would'nt it nullify this bill? Does anyone know or have an idea?

As currently written, the proposed reciprocity bill would render this law moot due to it's not-withstanding clause.

Ponygirl
March 29, 2007, 11:34 PM
I have often said that left to its own devices, Kansas would become a Socialist Theocratic Police State.Its a strange place politically.
Interesting...doesn't sound like I would like it.

Maybe I'm in a more cynical than usual mood today, but honestly the statist are going to ruin the entire freakin' planet. Liberty will die because people want to be slaves in gilded shackles. As long as they eat regularly, are still allowed to watch TV and have any kind of sex they want they'll welcome the coming global Socialist police state with open arms. I'm tired of fighting this loosing battle ... I just want to live my life in peace. The good lord has seen fit to keep my wife and I from being able to have children, so I don't have any reason to change things for any future generation ... I just want to live the next few decades as I wish and then the public school indoctrinated socialist children can have this ball of mud. Sorry if that came across like I was slapping you down or something.

It didn't come across like you were trying to slap me down. :) I understand exactly how you feel. My husband & I are lucky we don't have kids either. My husband's brother has 2 kids so I worry about the future for them.
I'm trying to convince my husband to move to Alaska when I retire. He retired early because of health problems. I just want to live somewhere in Alaska...far from civilization!
How long have you lived in Colorado? I lived there from the early '70's until mid '80's. It sounds so different now but then the US is so different now too.

Soybomb
March 29, 2007, 11:46 PM
Nothing like fixing a problem that doesn't exist.

This is a good bill.
Could you cite a few examples of incidents that show the need for the law to be changed and more restrictive?

Zundfolge
March 29, 2007, 11:49 PM
Interesting...doesn't sound like I would like it.
Don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good people in Kansas ... its just the politics that are screwy (big part of the problem is that too many Kansans feed at the government trough, yet have very strong Christian values ... it breeds a bunch of socially conservative, religious, Socialists. Also I lived in Wichita so its a small city that feels the need to aspire to being like Chicago or some other leftist run metropolis).

We moved here in August of 2002 ... politically the state has actually changed a lot since then.

What I'm hoping is that this last election cycle was a fluke and Colorado will return to what it was way back in the early days of the 21st century :p

ThatIsAFact
March 30, 2007, 05:52 AM
I followed the progress of SB 34 through the legislature. It probably would have been possible to amend the bill so that it would have applied the new residency requirement only to Colorado residents, but the local pro-gun groups preferred to denounce the bill rather than narrow it. It appears that some legislators voted for it thinking that it merely required Colorado residents to get Colorado permits.

Once Governor Ritter signs this bill, unless you are a resident of a state that has reciprocity with Colorado, you have two choices: (1) go to Colorado and open carry, which is apparently still legal in most parts of the state(this is probably not what the governor has in mind when he signs the bill); or (2) take your vacation in one of the dozens of other states that recognize the Florida nonresident permit. (I am not a travel agent and this is not travel agent advice.)

There is a bill currently on the desk of the West Virginia governor, HB 3074, that would invalidate nonresident Virginia permits in West Virginia, and prevent any future recognition of nonresident permits in West Virginia. If you want to urge Gov. Manchin to veto HB 3074, here is his contract information:

To send a fax: 304-342-7025

To send an e-mail: Governor@WVGov.org

To send a message via the governor's web contact form:
http://www.wvgov.org/sec.aspx?id=36

To telephone: 304-558-2000 or 1-888-438-2731 during normal business hours

The Honorable Joe Manchin, III
Office of the Governor
1900 Kanawha Blvd., E.
Charleston, WV 25305

romma
March 30, 2007, 10:24 AM
Letter to Governer sent!

anotherKevin
March 30, 2007, 12:44 PM
This is OT, but I don't believe that CA expats are automatically liberal. Most of the folks I know who've left here (myself pending) are leaving to get away from liberalism, and back to normality.

I'm pretty riled up that my favorite vacation spot has suddenly decided that my UT CCW is no good any more.

Zundfolge
March 30, 2007, 02:33 PM
This is OT, but I don't believe that CA expats are automatically liberal.
This is true.

Here in Colorado Springs we have the world headquarters of James Dobson's Focus on the Family (http://www.family.org/) ... they're CA expats.


But by and large California is hemorrhaging liberals who infest conservative parts of the country until they outnumber the "locals" and institute the same leftist crap that ruined their home state.

glockman19
March 30, 2007, 03:03 PM
But by and large California is hemorrhaging liberals who infest conservative parts of the country until they outnumber the "locals" and institute the same leftist crap that ruined their home state.

Please don't disparage where people live there are liberal & Conservative in every City, County & State. Orange County CA, is almost Shall issue so to make a blanket statement as you have is inappropriate.

"Bugs & rodents INFEST people don't."

Geister
April 4, 2007, 02:20 AM
"I would oppose the bill on general principles, but it doesn't sound any worse than requiring CO residents to have CO driver's licenses, not licenses issued by Florida. But Coloradans can apparently get CCW licenses."

Disarming responsible citizens is always bad.

wjustinen
April 6, 2007, 01:22 AM
(may issue - but only if sufficient economic or political clout:barf: ) and while my Alberta drivers licence and Canadian pilot licence are recognized in the U.S.A., only Indiana will accept a Canadian authorization to carry. When this is signed into law my Utah non-resident CFP becomes one state less valuable.
:banghead: From my viewpoint that is bad law.

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