I want to get into suppressed shooting!


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hankdatank1362
March 30, 2007, 08:55 PM
Like the title suggests, I am looking to get into suppressed shooting. Preferably, I would like a .22 LR pistol with either an integral or detachable suppressor. I have seen many models with integral suppressors online for around $700... I am assuming I still have to pay the $200 stamp tax on top of that? Is there a fairly inexpensive way to go?

I'm trying to break my wife into pistol shooting, and besides the lack of recoil in a .22 LR, a suppressor would help alleviate her fears. Any help you guys can offer would be tremendously appreciated!

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WoofersInc
March 30, 2007, 09:06 PM
If you already have a 22 pistol a suppressor by itself is cheaper. you can find them for about $250-$300. Still have to pay the $200 to the ATF. Also for the complete packages that you see you will still have to pay the $200. I am currently waiting on the paperwork to finish processing for a suppressor for my HK 45. The paperwork take quite along time. I have spoken to some that have waited 6 months and then others that get a response in 2 months. No reason behind the different times that we can come up with.
For the wife get a good quality 22 pistol. What I did was to put a red dot scope on one of my 22's. My wife loves it. The fact that she was able to hit the target right away with the red dot made a big difference in her wanted to shoot again. If someone gets frustrated the first time out they lose interest quick. Keep the targets fairly close at first and let her move at her pace. You'll get a shooting partner for life.

hankdatank1362
March 30, 2007, 09:14 PM
They have a real nice walther p-22 with a compensator (God knows why) and a red dot sight up at my local gun store for about $400 used. I am thinking about getting it and removing the compensator, and adding a can. But that's another $250 for the can, and then the $200 stamp tax on top of that. I'm having trouble spending that much money on a .22 LR pistol... I know, I know, good for training, get the wife interested, yadda yadda. I'm just cheap.

MechAg94
March 30, 2007, 11:09 PM
Supressed guns are something I would like to pursue eventually. I like the integrally suppressed 10/22 rifles I have seen. Some time ago, someone also posted a link to a .45 caliber rifle that I think was lever action. I thought that might make a more realistic subsonic hunting rifle. Pistols would be nice too, but it is not what I want I think.

PPGMD
March 30, 2007, 11:21 PM
Just get a new P22 for $325 and purchase the adapter for like $25. From there purchase the can with the tax stamp for around $600 last time I checked.

CleverNickname
March 30, 2007, 11:43 PM
Two suggestions:

First, don't get an integrally suppressed gun. Get a thread-mount .22 suppressor, and get the barrels threaded on any .22 firearms that you have. If you buy an integrally suppressed pistol you'll eventually wish you had a suppressor on your rifle.

Second, don't try to suppress .22 pistols that use a Browning tilting-barrel action. The .22LR cartridge doesn't have enough power to reliably cycle a Browning action that has the extra weight of a suppressor on the end of the barrel, at least in my experience. A fixed barrel pistol like a Ruger MkII/III or a Browning Buckmark or something similar will work a lot better.

Guido2006
March 31, 2007, 12:15 AM
I agree with Clever on avoiding the integral.

Integrals will be slightly quieter, but I think the ability to swap a single suppressor between different guns more than makes up for being slightly louder.

If you have a budget of $700, one of the best choices right now is an AAC prodigy at $595 MSRP.

To be fair though, any of the suppressors from Tactical Innovations (TAC65, Quest, Stratus), Gemtech (Outback II), AAC(Prodigy, Pilot, Aviator) are going to do well. The main differences are whether you can disassemble them, and how much they cost. There are also several other manufacturers that make good .22 cans, but the 3 companies I listed above seem to be the most popular.

SilencerTests.com (http://www.silencertests.com/forum/)

There is a bunch of good info at the website above. There is a slight bias toward AAC (they do make very good products, if not the best in some areas) but there are very fair reviews of nearly all your potential options. Additionally, there is plenty of info on the process of acquiring suppressors.

EDIT: I just noticed that you are also in South Carolina. Feel free to drop me a PM if you have any questions about dealers or such in the eastern half of the state (Columbia to Charleston).

GunNut
March 31, 2007, 12:23 AM
I'd love to do the same thing.

Problem is that the State of Washington will allow me to own the suppressor, but by law will not let me use it.:banghead:

I live close to Oregon, so eventually I will buy one and then just cross the river to shoot it.


Steve

DoubleTapDrew
March 31, 2007, 12:30 AM
I'm looking to do the same thing. I was thinking of getting and AAC Pilot ($350) so I could use it on both my 10/22 and a .22 pistol like a P22/Buckmark/MkIII. Seems like that's the way to go to get alot of mileage out of your $200 JBT fee.

Zundfolge
March 31, 2007, 12:33 AM
I live close to Oregon, so eventually I will buy one and then just cross the river to shoot it.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have to notify the ATF every time you take an NFA item across state lines? Or is that just full auto NFA items?

Jim March
March 31, 2007, 12:35 AM
Just curious...did anybody else see the subject line and think "sounds like something Sarah Brady might say"?

GunNut
March 31, 2007, 12:39 AM
For machine guns, short barrel rifles, and short barrel shotguns, you will need prior approval from BATF on a form 5320.20 to travel interstate or to permanently move NFA firearms to another state

I'm pretty sure that a suppressor is ok to take out of state.

Steve

aguyindallas
March 31, 2007, 12:51 AM
If you want to get into "supressed" shooting...move to California, NJ, MD etc...those poor people are supressed!

wdlsguy
March 31, 2007, 01:03 AM
Suppressors and AOWs don't require an Application to Transport Interstate (http://www.atf.treas.gov/forms/pdfs/f532020.pdf).

Destructive devices, machineguns, short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotguns do require one.

Broke
March 31, 2007, 02:28 AM
I just got rid of my integrally suppressed MKII AAC Phoenix.... I'll never own another suppressor that doesn't come apart for cleaning, especially a 22.

I wanted to replace the Phoenix, but I can't find an integral that is as quiet, and comes apart for cleaning.

Broke

0007
March 31, 2007, 06:07 AM
Check out WWW.AmericanManufacture.com. They had a real good deal on .22rifles with integral suppressors; they also build cans.

BOP222
March 31, 2007, 10:32 AM
Just curious..what's the attraction/benefit to suppressed shooting?

TexasRifleman
March 31, 2007, 10:53 AM
Just curious..what's the attraction/benefit to suppressed shooting?

Good for the environment in general
Better for your hearing
Better politically, your neighbors don't hear gunfire, keeps the peace
Great for hunting, allows you to hunt without ear protection
Self Defense, you ever hear a firearm go off inside a house?
Great for teaching youngsters to shoot, removes the "scary" element for some.

There really is no downside, it's stupid that they are regulated in any manner at all.

Broke
March 31, 2007, 10:55 AM
Where in the hell is the quote button?:confused:

Just curious..what's the attraction/benefit to suppressed shooting?

No flash and noise makes it easier on beginners.

No noise allows you to shoot where you normally couldn't, neighbors don't complain.

Some guns benefit in accuracy with a suppressor, or so I've heard, I'm much too terrible of a shot to say though.:rolleyes:

Some guns, like my M10, are far more controllable with the suppressor on it....both because it makes it longer (greater space between hand placement) and because it adds some weight up front.

I can honestly say I get as much enjoyment from my suppressors as I do from my SMG.:)

Broke

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