[Handy]

There was a recent thread where a California victim (ah, resident) was inquiring about accurate .22 pistols. At the time, everyone seemed to think that the more unusual choices were out, like the IZH35.

So I wrote the Cali. DOJ, and got this list. I believe the IZH35 is one of the Vostok models:

"Pursuant to Penal Code section 12132(h) the following pistols are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States and are exempt from the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale:


ANSCHUTZ FP .22LR
BENELLI MP90 .22LR
BENELLI MP90 .32 S&W LONG
BENELLI MP95 .22LR
BENELLI MP95 .32 S&W LONG
DRULOV FP .22LR
GREEN ELECTROARM .22LR
HAMMERLI 100 .22LR
HAMMERLI 101 .22LR
HAMMERLI 102 .22LR
HAMMERLI 162 .22LR
HAMMERLI 280 .22LR
HAMMERLI 280 .32 S&W LONG
HAMMERLI FP10 .22LR
HAMMERLI MP33 .22LR
HAMMERLI SP20 .22LR
HAMMERLI SP20 .32 S&W LONG
MORINI CM102E .22LR
MORINI 22M .22LR
MORINI 32M .32 S&W LONG
MORINI CM80 .22LR
PARDINI GP .22 SHORT
PARDINI GPO .22 SHORT
PARDINI GP-SCHUMANN .22 SHORT
PARDINI HP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI K22 .22LR
PARDINI MP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI PGP75 .22LR
PARDINI SP .22LR
PARDINI SPE .22LR
SAKO FINMASTER .22LR
STEYR FP .22LR
VOSTOK IZH NO. 1 .22LR
VOSTOK MU55 .22LR
VOSTOK TOZ35 .22LR
WALTHER FP .22LR
WALTHER GSP .22LR
WALTHER GSP .32 S&W LONG
WALTHER OSP .22 SHORT
WALTHER OSP-2000 .22 SHORT "


Hope this helps.

[bountyhunter]

I got a Ruger Gov't target slabside for about $425 out here in kali. It consistently shoots under 3/4" groups at 25 yards (from rest) with garbage grade ammo like Blazer. It has a beautiful 2.2# trigger with all the stock parts still in it. Hard for me to understand paying massive $$$ for something else. How much tighter can you get than a 3/4" group?

[owen]

You aren't really paying for accuracy with a target .22. You are paying for ergonomics. The grip angles on most of the euro .22's are extremely steep. Some of the higher end stuff even has the grip mounted on a ball and socket joint to make the grip angle fully adjustable. The triggers are generally extremely adjustable. not only for weight, but also reset length, trigger travel, trigger position, and crispness (i don't like a trigger that "breaks"...i like em mushy for precision stuff)

The sights are usually adjustable for front sight width, elevation, windage, and the width and depth of the notch.

The guns are also designed to give the longest possible sight radius while staying within the size allowed by the rules.

In other words, you are getting a lot, but not much in the mechanical accuracy department, although they will generally do better than .75" at 25 yards.

[Sprout]

Thanks Handy!

[Handy]

Bountyhunter,

Using your logic, why did you pay twice what I did for a blue 5" 22/45 if your gun doesn't shoot any better?

[Sactown]

I'd like to get an IZH35M. I still don't think it's available. I emailed EAA, the importer, and they said they had no plans to submit the pistol for testing in Kali. I think that the exact model has to be listed, even on the exemption list. Maybe contact USA shooting and see if they will put the IZH on the list??

Handy,
If you are able to order one from your FFL, let us know.

[Handy]

Oh heavens, I would never live in Kalifornia!

Maybe the IZH35 thing would be okay if it says "Vostok" somewhere on it. Maybe EAA could tell you all the markings it has.

This is not an acceptance list. It is an exception list, and different rules might prevail. Check with Cali. DOJ after researching with EAA.

[Skunkabilly]

...and the Beretta 87 Target.

[Handy]

Skunk,

The Beretta is not a "sanctioned Olympic" target pistol, so you'll find it with the rest of the drop tested sport pistols, like the Rugers and Buckmarks.

[Rich357]

Handy, thanks very much!

I had been wondering which pistols might fall under the Olympic exemption.

Rich

[Gary H]

bountyhunter:

Ruger then tortures you when you get home. Take down and reassembly is a pain. My IQ is just not sufficiently high and I shoot mine so little that only with a large vocabulary of unmentionable words can I reassemble the *@#% gun.

[bountyhunter]

"Bountyhunter,

Using your logic, why did you pay twice what I did for a blue 5" 22/45 if your gun doesn't shoot any better?"

I wasn't aware that gun sold for $210 new, I'll take your word for it. I know for a fact that I (or anybody I know) wouldn't be able to get as high a score at bullseye with the shorter gun because of the shorter sight radius. I have managed to shoot perfect scores (300) freehand a couple of times with mine in bullseye league using the fixed sights at 25 yard range with the standard bullseye target. I can guarantee you I couldn't do that with a 5" barrel.


"bountyhunter:

Ruger then tortures you when you get home. Take down and reassembly is a pain. My IQ is just not sufficiently high and I shoot mine so little that only with a large vocabulary of unmentionable words can I reassemble the *@#% gun."

If you do it a few times you get the hang of it. The trick is to realize that if something isn't going in, you need to look in and see which way the trigger strut is leaning (it will always be the wrong way). Once you move it, things fall together. It's like the old saying about dogs: no matter what, they will always be standing on the wrong side of any door.

[Handy]

BH,

Just advocating the devil a little. ;)

I agree that Ruger assembly is not nearly the Boogieman it is made out to be. I posted an assembly time of less than 10 seconds last month. It is a process that requires some practice and patience, but pays off - like learning to drive stick.

[rick_reno]

The IZH35 (semi-auto, a gang banging special) is not the same thing as a TOZ-35 (single shot, free pistol). I've seen IZH-35's pop up for sale in Kalif. from time to time, just watch the various Bullseye discussion lists. They were no doubt part of the batch of them that was dropped off by a Russian sub off the coast of Los Angeles a few years back and rowed ashore in a rubber boat by crip gang members.

Here's a photo of the TOZ-35, if you want to see what one looks like
http://www.potfire.com.au/plist/pA6N1556.htm

Bountyhunter wrote "It consistently shoots under 3/4" groups at 25 yards (from rest) ...How much tighter can you get than a 3/4" group?"

You can do quite a bit better than that. Here are some targets shot from a Marvel conversion (fits on a 1911 frame) at 50 yds.
http://www.marvelprecision.com/testtargets.htm
Many of these are quite a bit better than 3/4 inch. group mentioned, and they were shot at 50 yds. I'm pretty sure most were shot with Eley ammo.

In a lot of these 22's, the ammo has a lot to do with accuracy. Whatever gun this person ends up with, they should test it out with various types/brands of ammo and see what the gun likes. There are significant differences in ammo/gun combinations.

[Chris Rhines]

What rick_reno said. The TOZ-35 is a single-shot Martini-action free pistol. The IZH-35 (made by Izmesh, not Vostok) is the bargain five-shot semiauto .22LR.

- Chris

[Handy]

Hey, it was just a guess. How many Russian made IZHs in .22LR could there be?:D

At least the MP95 is on the list. That can be had for a decent price.

[rick_reno]

Handy,

Be careful on those Benelli MP9x pistols. They've been known to have reliability problems. Too bad Kalif. didn't include the Walter KSP -or the IWB A93, both are based on the IZH but cost a lot more. Lurk around on the bullseye lists, you'll find what you want for sale in Kalif. I saw one listed a few weeks ago, it was in S. Kalif.

[excavaza]

mexThere was a recent thread where a California victim (ah, resident) was inquiring about accurate .22 pistols. At the time, everyone seemed to think that the more unusual choices were out, like the IZH35.

So I wrote the Cali. DOJ, and got this list. I believe the IZH35 is one of the Vostok models:

"Pursuant to Penal Code section 12132(h) the following pistols are sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition in the United States and are exempt from the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale:


ANSCHUTZ FP .22LR
BENELLI MP90 .22LR
BENELLI MP90 .32 S&W LONG
BENELLI MP95 .22LR
BENELLI MP95 .32 S&W LONG
DRULOV FP .22LR
GREEN ELECTROARM .22LR
HAMMERLI 100 .22LR
HAMMERLI 101 .22LR
HAMMERLI 102 .22LR
HAMMERLI 162 .22LR
HAMMERLI 280 .22LR
HAMMERLI 280 .32 S&W LONG
HAMMERLI FP10 .22LR
HAMMERLI MP33 .22LR
HAMMERLI SP20 .22LR
HAMMERLI SP20 .32 S&W LONG
MORINI CM102E .22LR
MORINI 22M .22LR
MORINI 32M .32 S&W LONG
MORINI CM80 .22LR
PARDINI GP .22 SHORT
PARDINI GPO .22 SHORT
PARDINI GP-SCHUMANN .22 SHORT
PARDINI HP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI K22 .22LR
PARDINI MP .32 S&W LONG
PARDINI PGP75 .22LR
PARDINI SP .22LR
PARDINI SPE .22LR
SAKO FINMASTER .22LR
STEYR FP .22LR
VOSTOK IZH NO. 1 .22LR
VOSTOK MU55 .22LR
VOSTOK TOZ35 .22LR
WALTHER FP .22LR
WALTHER GSP .22LR
WALTHER GSP .32 S&W LONG
WALTHER OSP .22 SHORT
WALTHER OSP-2000 .22 SHORT "


Hope this helps.



Hello i am new in this forum but i have a Green electroarm but dont know much about this gun.

If you can tellme something about this gun i will apreciate.

Thank you

David

Mexico city.

[CraigJS]

Rick Reno,
Benelli 95E one year plus, 3000+ rounds, zero problems..
IZH 35M, zero problems...

[Pietro Beretta]

Want a firearm that is NOT on the DOJ Approved list in CA??

Heres how you do it!

If you have a Father or Grandfather or Spouse, that lives out of state, Have them buy the gun you want. They can legally give it to you as a gift all you have to fill out the Intra-Family transfer form, and walla, legal way to get a gun NOT on the approved list.

[ernierod]

Am interested in information on a Green Electroarm pistol. Ernie

[owen]

Now this is a zombie thread! Dead for two years and killed, then revived 9 months later.

Amazining!

ernierod, typically you would want to use a pm to contact someone. Throwing up an email address in an open forum is an invitation to piles and piles of spam.