What round for escaped Gorilla?


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Winter Borne
March 31, 2007, 08:44 PM
Okay, so this may not be true but this morning while having breakfast at the local diner I over heard that there was an escaped male gorilla from the Hampton Zoo. Having been to the zoo before I was not really suprised and at first thought it was kind of funny for about 6 seconds, but then I got to thinking that those things are big and can be dangerous...soooooo then I got to thinking, " what would I do if faced with an angry gorilla?"

I usually carry my USP 40 with hydro-shocks but of course today I only had my BUG P-32 with me. I had to wonder, would 12 rounds of 40 put down a full grown hungry and possibly angry gorilla? Would 7 rounds of 32acp?

I searched the web and found no mention in the news of an escaped gorilla so you can all sleep soundly, bt it does beg the question...WWYD?

mk

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CSA 357
March 31, 2007, 08:50 PM
12 ga pump with 1 oz slugs, but i bet a good 44 magnum would do in a pinch!:D

Rembrandt
March 31, 2007, 08:51 PM
Many countries use either AK's or FAL's for Guerrilla insurgancies.

SoCalShooter
March 31, 2007, 08:52 PM
well there are several species of gorilla. What species are we reffering to here, there are larger species then others and some are more aggressive than others. I would think that a 30 caliber pistol round and up would do just fine, just depends on how good a shot you are. If it were me I think I would probably use my USP .45acp or .357mag. It still all about shot placement, you could stop the animal if you shoot it with a .22lr as long as you place your shots well enough to knock out its CNS. Atleast these would work for a CCW, unless you want to walk around with a loaded shotgun or AK.

1911JMB
March 31, 2007, 09:01 PM
I'd say a tranq would be the way to go.

But for the sake of having a dumb idea, emptying 20 rounds of .308 in the general direction of said gorilla would probably solve the problem.

Dorryn
March 31, 2007, 09:13 PM
454 CASULL!

Nightcrawler
March 31, 2007, 09:14 PM
What round does an 800 pound gorilla get?

Any round it wants! Zing!

Yuk yuk yuk!

lacoochee
March 31, 2007, 09:18 PM
You probably could get away with a warning shot they tend to discourage pretty easily. I would not bet on stopping a full grown male gorilla with a handgun. I've never hunted one but my wife works with gorillas and chimps everyday (the chimps are the ones that should really worry about they don't discourage and they really do want to kill you) and gorillas tend tend to be more bark than bite.

johnster999
March 31, 2007, 09:19 PM
A refreshing departure from the usual "what gun for bear defense?" thread.

cheygriz
March 31, 2007, 09:24 PM
Tranquilizer gun.

Leedavisone
March 31, 2007, 09:34 PM
There has never been a recorded instance of someone being killed by a gorilla. I have never heard of someone even being attacked by one. The same goes for wolves... never in human history has a person been killed by a wild wolf (I don't know about the captive ones). A .32 would stop a gorilla, but why would you want to? Such wonderful animals. Everyone seems to be so concerned with 'stopping power'. That is all everyone talks about... have you noticed? As for me, I am going to lay down and bleed regardless if I am hit with a .38 or a .45. Perhaps we should all think more how we would get the gorilla back safely in captivity without hurting him, rather than how afraid we are of being torn apart by a wild beast, without a cannon to protect us.

Hypnogator
March 31, 2007, 09:42 PM
IIRC, I read an article in the '60s espousing the Ruger .44 Mag carbine as the weapon of choice for hunting mountain gorillas. The article warned that (no S***) you didn't want a weapon with too long a barrel because if you got too close to the gorilla he might seize it and beat you to death with it! :what: :eek:

Geronimo45
March 31, 2007, 09:43 PM
SMLE firing rifle grenades.

Nightcrawler
March 31, 2007, 09:44 PM
he might seize it and beat you to death with it!

Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is the spirit of the freaking bayonet!

:D

1911Tuner
March 31, 2007, 09:53 PM
Susie Homemaker spies an escaped gorilla in the top of her Maple tree on day whilst watchin' Y&R on the TV. In a panic, she looks in the Yellow Book and finds Joe-Bob's Gorilla Removal Service...and makes the call.

Guy shows up in a truck with a big cage on board...a shotgun...a pair of handcuffs...a ladder...and a snarling, spring-loaded Pitbull. After surveying the situation, he decides that it's a legitimate call, and advises Susie that she does indeed, have a gorilla problem.

"Yep. That's a big Silverback allrighty, but we can handle this...Noooo sweat!
But, my helper called in sick, so I'll need you to help me."

Apprehensive, Susie askes what she has to do...

"Well, here's how it works. You hold the shotgun and the cuffs. I climb the ladder and knock the gorilla off'n that limb he's perched on. The dog is highly trained, and works with split-second timing. He'll grab the big monkey by the
privates, immobilizing him. You cuff the gorilla while I'm on my way back down the ladder...and I'll put him in the cage while the dog holds him still. Got it?"

"Got it!" she replies, still a little nervous. Joe-Bob starts up the ladder...

"Wait! What's the shotgun for?"

Joe slaps himself on the temple and replies:

"Dang! Almost forgot. If the gorilla knocks me off the ladder...shoot that damn dog."

The Deer Hunter
March 31, 2007, 09:56 PM
Battle axe?

bogie
March 31, 2007, 09:57 PM
I'd probably go with a few big boxes of twinkies, maybe some marshmallows, and a cell phone.

grimjaw
March 31, 2007, 09:59 PM
Many countries use either AK's or FAL's for Guerrilla insurgancies.

Ding! Winner!

1911Tuner's, too.

jm

ZeSpectre
March 31, 2007, 10:02 PM
A refreshing departure from the usual "what gun for bear defense?" thread.

Durn, there goes my burning questions like "what round for Aardvark" and "What round for hummingbirds". :neener:

TCB in TN
March 31, 2007, 10:03 PM
1911, you owe me a new keyboard, and have ruined my relationship with my wife. She now thinks I have lost my mind! THAT WAS FUNNY!

SoCalShooter
March 31, 2007, 10:09 PM
if you got too close to the gorilla he might seize it and beat you to death with it!

I would definetly not want to be beaten to death with my own weapon...especially not from a damn ape.

Rembrandt
March 31, 2007, 10:28 PM
Don't under estimate these creatures.....remember what those "Damned dirty Apes" did to Charlton Heston.

http://www.moviemarket.co.uk/library/photos/177/177745.jpg

http://www.moviemarket.co.uk/library/photos/177/177746.jpg

http://www.moviemarket.co.uk/library/photos/271/271039.jpg

http://www.moviemarket.co.uk/library/photos/176/176383.jpg

Winter Borne
March 31, 2007, 10:34 PM
Exactly what I am trying to say Rembrandt. I for one don't want a labotomy from any ape.

mk:neener:

hqmhqm
March 31, 2007, 10:40 PM
There has never been a recorded instance of someone being killed by a gorilla. I have never heard of someone even being attacked by one.

Right here in Boston, where I live, at the Franklin Park Zoo, where I've taken my kids:

Franklin Park Zoo plans big renovation for return of Little…

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2003/09/29/franklin_park_gorilla_escapes_attacks_2/
(http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2003/09/29/franklin_park_gorilla_escapes_attacks_2/)

News – Three years after the gorilla known as Little Joe broke out of the Franklin Park Zoo and mauled a 2-year-old girl, the facility announced plans yesterday for a glass-walled cage that will let him see his public again -- but prevent another escape.

Rembrandt
March 31, 2007, 10:43 PM
Don't know what caliber it was, but Chuck says if you hit them in the chest, it will knock a Gorilla back 10 foot.

http://www.moviemarket.co.uk/library/photos/263/263816.jpg

MatthewVanitas
March 31, 2007, 11:01 PM
and "What round for hummingbirds".

Obviously, Colibris.

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Too obscure a reference?

-MV

ZeSpectre
March 31, 2007, 11:01 PM
Don't know what caliber it was, but Chuck says if you hit them in the chest, it will knock a Gorilla back 10 foot.

Gads, I know that Linda Harrison knocked me back about 20 feet! :D

bensdad
March 31, 2007, 11:15 PM
http://www.wolf.org/wolves/news/2005releases/123005_wolfattack.asp

Somebody said no wolf attacks. There's one guy who begs to differ.

Geno
March 31, 2007, 11:15 PM
Shooting at one of these critters at 20 feet would render new meaning to the phrase fire at center of mass, as in 800 pounds of mass! I would suggest a good Rem 870 12 gauge, with 3", 1.25 oz slugs.

MD_Willington
March 31, 2007, 11:17 PM
7.62x39mm or .303 is effective for harvesting "bush meat" in the Congo.

Sad but true... they butcher & eat the poor buggers... my coworker has dispatched many Baboons himself, but no Gorillas.

Baboons on the other hand can be nasty buggers that show no fear and will attack in packs.

The Deer Hunter
March 31, 2007, 11:22 PM
especially not from a damn ape.

A damn dirty ape at that:)

Gator
March 31, 2007, 11:38 PM
There has never been a recorded instance of someone being killed by a gorilla.

The same goes for wolves... never in human history has a person been killed by a wild wolf (I don't know about the captive ones).

A .32 would stop a gorilla,...

Three strikes and you are ouuuutttt!

rocinante
March 31, 2007, 11:45 PM
Linda Harrison you say.

That babe from Planet of the Apes.

I always figured she made that one flick and some rich dude snatched her up for lifetime private screening. Same with the little blonde in the time machine.

sacp81170a
April 1, 2007, 12:29 AM
I don't suppose you'd want to use anything with a "banana clip". :neener:

2TransAms
April 1, 2007, 12:33 AM
Yeah,it's a bitch bein' rich. Or so I've heard.:neener:

I wish people would stop saying there are no wolf attacks (http://fwp.mt.gov/mtoutdoors/HTML/articles/2006/LCmisadventures.htm).Not all wolves were so docile. A year later, Clark’s squad was sleeping along the Yellowstone River near Billings when a wolf stole into camp and bit Sergeant John Pryor “through the hand.” The wolf then turned on Private Richard Windsor before being dispatched by another squad member.

It was one of the very few documented wolf attacks on humans in North America. Clark called the animal “vicious,” and speculated it may have been a half-wild wolf–dog mix from a nearby Crow Indian encampment.

As for gorillas,the chances of fighting a gorilla in Troy IL are about as slim as the Pussycat Dolls coming over for a slumber party. If I couldn't just lock myself in my Bobcat and drive away, I guess I'd want 12 gauge slugs for big gorillas,and a full-auto AK for packs of chimps. Don't you guys ever watch the Discovery Channel? Those chimps are mean little sons of b's.

But if he escaped from the zoo he might just be looking for a party. He might even be the Rolling Rock Beer Ape. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=uXAGM4z6ASA)

hoghunting
April 1, 2007, 01:11 AM
About 3-4 years ago the Dallas Zoo had a gorilla escape and he attacked quite a few people before the Dallas PD took him down with a .458 WM - which the zoo keeps on hand for such emergencies - and 12 ga slugs.

I guess the PD didn't realize that gorillas don't attack and that a .32 would have stopped the charge.

SMLE
April 1, 2007, 01:29 AM
SMLE firing rifle grenades.Sir, I would NEVER fire a rifle grenade at a gorilla. A PIAT on the other hand might be just the thing. :neener:

Prince Yamato
April 1, 2007, 02:59 AM
Ugh...people come on! Use 5.45x39 steel core. SOG has it for $119!

ConfuseUs
April 1, 2007, 03:07 AM
At least a half gallon of banana vodka seems like a good round for an escaped Gorilla. Repeat as necessary until Gorilla is floored.

nwilliams
April 1, 2007, 03:32 AM
Tranquilizer gun.

I agree, I wouldn't want to kill a Gorilla why plan for it?

I wish people would stop saying there are no wolf attacks.
I agree there are documented cases of wolf attacks, however it bothers me when people act like its the animals fault. IMO 9 times out of 10 its a person in the wrong place at the wrong time and unaware of what to do when face to face with a wild animal. Like any wild animal they are much more afraid of you than you are of them. If you listen to the testimony of people that suffered wild animal attcks the vast majority do not blame the animal, if anything they gain more respect for the animal that attacked them, including shark attack victims. At least this what I've noticed, I watch a lot of Discovery and National Geographic Channel:D

kd7nqb
April 1, 2007, 03:35 AM
Ok well we should all know that all you need is a samsonite suitcase according to the commercial they apparently amuse these critters for hours. Second of all one of my co-workers happens to pull graveyards at the Oregon zoo. She told me that they have a "Shotgun team" for just such events. Supposedly its solid slugs, and they use the team approach for obvious reasons.

She also mentioned that a mega can of bear spray should but down a gorrilla but she trusts the 12gauge more (My kinda lady)

ProficientRifleman
April 1, 2007, 06:09 AM
Any .30 caliber rifle round should be sufficient. .30 cals have been putting down guerillas for decades!

MikePGS
April 1, 2007, 07:19 AM
anything with a banana clip :Rimshot:

Rembrandt
April 1, 2007, 08:00 AM
...anything with a banana clip....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v405/Rembrandt51/banannaclip.jpg

ibanda
April 1, 2007, 08:19 AM
As Highlander said, Dallas Police shot a 300 pound gorilla that got loose at the Dallas Zoo in 2004. The zoo keeps a few African caliber rifles on hand just in case, I couldn't find reference to caliber online, but I think I remember it being a .458 also.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4558461/

Gorilla shot after escape at Dallas Zoo
3 people hospitalized after attack in Dallas
The Associated Press
Updated: 12:58 p.m. CT March 19, 2004
DALLAS - Dallas Zoo officials said they can’t explain how a 300-pound gorilla escaped from his enclosure, injuring four people before he was shot to death.
Police evacuated an estimated 300 people from the zoo compound Thursday and killed Jabari, a 13-year-old male western lowland gorilla, after he charged at officers.
Zoo workers armed with tranquilizer guns had pursued the animal through the forested jungles of the Wilds of Africa exhibit for about 40 minutes, but could not gain a clear shot, officials said.
“It tried to charge two of our officers, so we had to shoot it,” Deputy Police Chief Daniel Garcia said. “You can imagine the pandemonium we had out here when he got loose. We felt terrible we had to put this animal down.”
'He has my son in his mouth'
The injured included a mother and her toddler son. Rivers Noah, 3, was in fair condition at Children’s Medical Center with multiple bites to his head and chest. His mother, Keisha Heard, 26, who was bitten on the legs, and Cheryl Reichert, who suffered arm injuries, were treated at hospitals and released.
“I was like, ’This is not happening, this is so unreal,’ cause he just came out of nowhere,” Heard said Friday on NBC’s Today show. “I’m watching this gorilla. He has my son in his mouth, he’s attacking him, and I tried to help him and there wasn’t really anything that I could do. ... He slings me back across the concrete area where we are. So it was really scary.”
The fourth injured person, a child, was treated at the scene.
Jabari was in the award-winning gorilla-conservation area, two acres surrounded by a 16-foot concave wall, before the attack around 5 p.m. Some youths had reportedly teased Jabari shortly before.
“He had to have scaled the wall,” said zoo director Rich Buickerood. But “this habitat is among the best in the country. This blows our minds.”
He said he did not know why zoo employees, who were armed with pepper spray, did not use it on the gorilla......

I think I would go straight to lead rather than attempt pepper spray, on a 300 lb animal after it has already bitten a few people.

Sigdude
April 1, 2007, 10:14 AM
Throw him a bunch.
They can't resist it.

The Viking
April 1, 2007, 10:52 AM
Ok, so there has been a few occasions were escaped gorillas attacked people. Not surprising really, I'd be quite mad myself if some weak, brittle little human had locked me up so other humans could stare at me all day long...

BTW Rembrandt, what the heck is that fugly thing? Is that "IntraTec" That I can make out above the bananananana?

-terry
April 1, 2007, 12:29 PM
Rembrandt,

You have waaaaaaaay to much time on your hands. Now I need to refil my coffee.:)

gm
April 1, 2007, 01:09 PM
Now why would you want to go and shoot poor magilla gorilla?:D

Cosmoline
April 1, 2007, 01:15 PM
Guerrillas? DO NOT feed them, never look them in the eye, and when they start gibbering about redistribution of wealth and the dialectic, just nod and move on.

rbernie
April 1, 2007, 01:33 PM
IIRC, most zoo's keep a 416 or 458 for putting down escaped DG. They also keep shotguns loaded with shot for less-than-DG.

hoji
April 1, 2007, 01:44 PM
I see the self righteous posters who claimed there has never been a wolf or gorilla attack have scurried under a rock or something:neener:

I was going to post some links but do not need to now thanks all who did.

bogie
April 1, 2007, 01:59 PM
I still think that everyone involved would be better off if folks just stood back and bombarded the critter with twinkies or marshmallows... I've used marshmallows to good effect when confronted with a frontal charge by a troupe of raccoons while on a camping trip. Oh, the carnage...

That's the same reason why, if I go bear hunting with a friend of mine, my backup gun is gonna be a .22... I figure if I slow him down and he's waving and screaming and stuff, the bear will go for him...

DougW
April 1, 2007, 04:06 PM
What hoghunting said. It took Dallas Police 3 rounds of .458 and 2 rounds of 12ga slug to completely stop the silverback at the Dallas Zoo. Dallas Police have 2 .458's at the substation close to the Zoo just for such an emergency. Ther are no other firearms at the Zoo.

Leedavisone
April 1, 2007, 08:07 PM
'I see the self righteous posters who claimed there has never been a wolf or gorilla attack have scurried under a rock or something'

Hey, that is me! I am self-righteous? I am just surprised at the vindictive urge to kill that I witness on the High Road. I repeat, there has never been a recorded instance of a person being killed by a gorilla in all of recorded history. And people don't realize the habits of Male gorillas (and chimps, for that matter). The male when trying to threaten, protect his turf, when nervous, etc will scramble foward to the threat, beat his chest (really), wave his arms in the air and let out howls... all meant to intimidate. They ALWAYS back off. Captive gorillas that escape are often said to "attack"... this is just their blustering nature. Some are killed for it. As for wolves, I stand corrected. I guess there has been a recent killing, but I do not know the circumstances. I was just going on what I knew up to 1990 or so (I got my PhD in 1972 on wolf studies).
My point is just that, why kill? I suppose all you macho gun owners want stopping power and a reason to shoot... nothing more, just an excuse. As for me, I believe in shot placement and calm reasoning. I guess that makes me self righteous... damn


"Go ahead, make my doggie day" -Otis

Cosmoline
April 1, 2007, 08:51 PM
I live amongst wild animals bigger than any gorilla with no problems. Just let it run around and see what happens. Life will be more interesting that way. IMHO Texas stopped being interesting when they killed the last of the fighting Indians and cracked down on the outlaws.

hksw
April 1, 2007, 08:58 PM
I would use some type of bi-plane with machineguns.

And in my best Shatner voice, yell out, "KONGGGGG!!!"

Geronimo45
April 1, 2007, 09:09 PM
A PIAT would probably do the job.

"I am just surprised at the vindictive urge to kill that I witness on the High Road."
Not so much an urge to kill as a thread-long joke. Like the drive-by thread.

Odd Job
April 1, 2007, 09:50 PM
In Johannesburg, 1997, Max the gorilla was instrumental in apprehending an armed suspect who was fleeing from the police and made the mistake of going to the zoo, specifically the gorilla cage. The gorilla bit the suspect and the suspect shot the gorilla twice. Both were hospitalised. IIRC the gorilla had a CT scan at my hospital. Sadly that gorilla died in 2004.

http://www.joburg.org.za/2004/may/may5_max.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/315623.stm

This is a photo of Max:

http://www.joburg.org.za/2004/may/max.jpg

If it was me, and having seen these animals up close, I would not use anything less than a 12 gauge with Brenneke slugs.

pacodelahoya
April 1, 2007, 10:08 PM
I for one don't want a labotomy from any ape.



I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!:D

Gator
April 1, 2007, 10:34 PM
It took Dallas Police 3 rounds of .458 and 2 rounds of 12ga slug to completely stop the silverback at the Dallas Zoo. Dallas Police have 2 .458's at the substation close to the Zoo just for such an emergency. There are no other firearms at the Zoo.

According to a friend who works at the Dallas Zoo, the Dallas police got a bit carried away with the gorilla, "Jabari". The zoo and the police department have procedures for dealing with dangerous animals, but these were not followed that day. The police came charging in and as keepers were shouting "don't shoot, don't shoot" they opened fire, note that the police charged the gorilla, not the other way around, as was reported. Jabari had hurt four people in his rush to escape, but had calmed down and the keepers felt the crisis had passed and "Jabari" could have been safely returned to his exhibit. They were very upset at the actions of the police.

But, it does go to show just how tough a gorilla can be, and "Jabari" was a young 300# male and not yet full grown.

In the zoo where I work a female gorilla attacked a keeper, who fortunately survived thanks to the intervention of the male silverback who smacked the female upside the head and herded her back into her enclosure!

As for, ...there has never been a recorded instance of a person being killed by a gorilla in all of recorded history.
I guess that may be correct if you don't count natives who live in the same areas as gorillas. I have never heard of an unprovoked gorilla killing, but they certainly have killed when surprised or threatened. And wolves in Europe and Asia have accounted for thousands of deaths over the centuries. It doesn't happen in Europe anymore, but wolf attacks are actually rising in India. There are plenty of documented cases of attacks from here in the US too.

And I don't think anyone here is bloodthirsty, its just a fun thread :)

tinygnat219
April 1, 2007, 10:34 PM
Gads, I know that Linda Harrison knocked me back about 20 feet! :D

Ze,

Was it the rounds from her chest?

:neener:

Double Naught Spy
April 2, 2007, 12:12 AM
well there are several species of gorilla.

No, just two. Gorilla gorilla and G. beringei.

According to a friend who works at the Dallas Zoo, the Dallas police got a bit carried away with the gorilla, "Jabari". The zoo and the police department have procedures for dealing with dangerous animals, but these were not followed that day. The police came charging in and as keepers were shouting "don't shoot, don't shoot" they opened fire, note that the police charged the gorilla, not the other way around, as was reported. Jabari had hurt four people in his rush to escape, but had calmed down and the keepers felt the crisis had passed and "Jabari" could have been safely returned to his exhibit. They were very upset at the actions of the police.

Procedure wasn't followed for two main reasons. First, there were none of the ranking staff present at the zoo at the time of the escape that were supposed to handle such an event, nor were the responding police the ones who had coordinated the plan with the ranking zoo officials. Second, zoo staff present at the time were unable to do anything to stop Jabari. In the amount of time it took for police to arrive and then eventually shoot the animal, zoo staff were unable to get a functional tranq. gun on location and fire a single shot even though zoo staff were already on scene (it is their workplace) and supposedly had plans in place to handle such matters. They may not have wanted the animal put down, but their lack of preparedness resulted in arriving police being able to encounter a completely uncontrolled animal that had already hurt people.

Tinmancr
April 2, 2007, 01:16 AM
.44 mag all the way 300 gr Hornady xtp 6 from my S&W or 8 from my Desert Eagle nothing short of 1000 pounds will survive.
Did I read 800 pounds...
according to wikipedia they hardly reach 600 and thats obese which would of course be in the shooters favor also the fact that this is a zoo animal not a wild one.
However in a city I probably would say logically the tranquilizer is the safest for everyone else.
This ammo when tested at 20 degrees F after being frozen for a season went through 3 1/2 inches into frozen green birch it was expanded to .90 inches

Browns Fan
April 2, 2007, 12:25 PM
Rembrant, now THAT is a masterpeice!:D

Saturday, I had the dubious pleasure of firing a Desert Eagle 50AE. As Dr Rob would say, Yowsah!! My hand is still sore, and that is only after 3 rds! I think that would make good gorilla medicine... on either side of the gun!

Zen21Tao
April 2, 2007, 12:41 PM
Gads, I know that Linda Harrison knocked me back about 20 feet! :D

I second that...

http://www.cylon.org/images/babes/cababe001web.jpg

CNYCacher
April 2, 2007, 01:36 PM
Skipping the giants and the traditional, I'll choose the gorilla. ... If you threaten his group he will charge, and a charging gorilla is a fearful spectacle. To stand your ground with a handgun and flatten him at 15 feet is man's work.

You wusses with your .458 and your 12 gauges.

Where are the REAL MEN for doing MAN'S WORK? :cool:

Personally I would just put him in a sleeper hold.

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