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freebird
April 1, 2007, 03:27 PM
Does anyone own a Hight Point C 9? They are very reasonably priced I just wondered how dependable they are. Also will they fit in your pocket very easily? Thanks

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outofbattery
April 1, 2007, 05:16 PM
If you did a search you'll find many Hi Point threads.Most of the mentions of them will be how horribly made they are and that they're perhaps barnside accurate,unergonomic and unreliable,suitable only as doorstops but there are the actual Hi Point owners who will pipe up and say that they may be many things but that they are reliable and affordable.

I have never owned or fired one and have no desire to.If I was on that tight of a budget,I would try to search the couch cushions for enough to get a used S&W or perhaps even Rossi or Taurus revolver.

Primersinmyshoe
April 1, 2007, 06:03 PM
My gunshop won't even carry Hi Point pistols because of their poor quality. I've heard that you can't even field strip them for a good cleaning. Is that right?

thedpp
April 1, 2007, 06:09 PM
You get what you pay for :what:

Whiteymin
April 1, 2007, 06:10 PM
same old thing everytime they are mentioned. Please disregard just about every opinion you get here as they are from people who don't own or have never shot one. I have 2. One 9mm and one 45. They are very accurate. They can be fieldstripped and cleaned. They are durable, reliable and affordable. I would own them again if anything happened to the ones I have.

NC-Mike
April 1, 2007, 06:32 PM
I own a 995 carbine, it's drop-dead reliable (sorry for the pun) and also has a lifetime warranty. Hi-Point customer service is beyond excellent. They are good, reliable firearms and if it does have a problem, Hi-Point fixes it for free.

Soybomb
April 1, 2007, 06:51 PM
I don't have a hipoint so I can't speak to their reliabililty or accuracy. That said you mentioned pocket carry. Keep in mind hipoints are blowback guns, not locked breech. This means the slides have to be pretty heavy. Heavy and pocket gun, or concealed carry gun for that matter usually aren't thought of as going together all that well.

Personally if I wanted a smaller carry gun on a budget, I'd save my pennies a bit longer and get one of these http://www.summitgunbroker.com/1658555.html

tmajors
April 1, 2007, 06:54 PM
My next purchase will be one of the 9mm Carbines. Why? Because people that actually OWN them have almost always said no problems. Think I saw one post that the guy had a problem with it, but sent it in and got a whole new one.

People that don't actually OWN one are the ones that are saying things that you generally expect from someone commenting on a Lorcin or Jennings. People see the price and the fugliness and automatically assume crap.

Now in terms of longevity the Hi-Points might not cut it, but with a lifetime no-questions asked warranty who cares if the thing finally falls apart after 10K rounds. Just get a new one.

Bongo45
April 1, 2007, 07:13 PM
There is a very active Hi Point forum. Most of their members embrace these guns because they are cheap and ugly and disparaged by many 'serious' shooters.

Mooseman
April 1, 2007, 07:19 PM
I don't own the 9 but I do own the 45. Reliable, inexpensive, but too heavy for concealed carry. I like highpoints and if I see a used 9 cheap I'll probably buy it. For concealed carry they're better options. I'd cruise my local gunshow and see what I can find in a snub.

Primersinmyshoe
April 1, 2007, 07:28 PM
I will rethink my opinion of Hi Points now that I've heard some positive remarks. I will try and shoot one to see for myself.

22LongRifle
April 1, 2007, 07:35 PM
Except for the 4595, I've owned at least of one of Hi Point's firearms. During my last quailifing as a reservists, I put my 40S&W through and pasted! I've kept two 40s and two 45s and have them "around" the property for in times of need.

I think the larger 40 and 45 calibers or the best of the pistol line. The 380 is great also, but I like the bigger bores. The 9mm has problems with feeding from the magazines. And I do believe that all that's wrong with it. Mine and others would feed great with 6 rounds at first. After the magazine weakened, I could get it to function with 7 or 8 rounds. I just never trusted it like the 40 or 45. Also, I like the idea of having the same magazine for a pistol and carbine (995). The 995/C9 combo didn't share a commom magazine. The best option was to use the ten round carbine mag for both, but it didn't fit flush in the pistol. The 4095/40JCP did share the same mag and they worked great. So I kept them.

As of now, I have four 40S&W pistols, one 45ACP pistol, three 995 9mm carbines, and a lone 4095. I got them all used and for about $100 each, adn that includes shipping back to BeeMiller for a "checkup" after purchase. All feed HPs, JSP, and my poorly made casted rejects. I believe the 995 is the greatest little carbine made, even if it costed twice as much! The 4095, 40S&W carbine kicks like a mule! I don't know why, maybe I'm a wuss. But I was in pain after a all day carbine course with local LEOs. That and the 4095 is a little too long and bulky for its purpose. I'm thinking of having my gunsmith wack the barrel down to 16" and somehow take two inches of the stock. That should get it down to the 995s size. Also, I filled the stock (its plastic and hollow or has hollow chambers) with GREAT STUFF. This helped (the 995s and 4095) with the recoil. Now, the 995 doesn't have alot of recoil, but my 11 and 13 year old daughters felt that a little less was better, so YMMV. Ten trounds of +p 9mm isn't nothing to sneeze at, coming out of a 16" barrel. And having another ten mounted on the carbine with a Ranger Band aids in a quick reload. The light 995 is quick and my goto for something that goes bump in the night.

Now, back to the C9. I've thought about getting another and seeing if it is beter than the olders. But the more I look at pistols and their limits, the more I like my rifle and carbines. So its not because of the pistol, just my changing beliefs. But, I had the greatest feeding rate with a full mag with a shorter 9mm bullet, like UMC or my reloads. I think this is because the 380 and 9mm were built on the same frame and its dimisions favor the 380. If you reload, I would get the 380 and load it hot.

A side note...there is a forum setup for Hi Point firearms. I would go there for some info, but the main administrator, GLOCKMAN, is a bigot. Big Al, a gentleman who openly admitted he was guy, was bullied and cowardly removed from the site for nothing more than being gay and having a picture of a south park figure as his aztar. After forcing out Big Al, GLOCKMAN, went to a south park aztar. I was raised that a person is just that , a person. I might not be like that person or I might not think like or believe like that person. But I have no right to belittle that person just because that differance. GLOCKMAN is a caliber bigot also, thinking anything other than a 9mm is stupid and not needed.

Jerry

ffrobbyrob
April 1, 2007, 08:02 PM
I have the C9. It is fugly, but accurate. I put about 600 rounds of the WalMart WWB with no problems at all. It is heavy. But I think that is a good thing for this model of handgun.

obxned
April 1, 2007, 08:22 PM
I am no lover of the HiPoints, but have shot them and seen people shooting them. They are the ugliest, most cheaply made, odd feeling gun I know of, but:

They are accurate: not like a match pistol, but pretty close to any duty-type gun. Plenty good enough for SD.

They are reliable: they seem to feed most ammo just as well as the better guns do.

They can be field stripped: it isn't as easy as most, but for the price...

The trigger is rough, the gun lacks a slide release but has a slide lockand the safety lever small and hard to operate. However, if I was on a more limited budget, I would buy one and willingly count on it to save my butt.

dralarms
April 1, 2007, 09:58 PM
I own 4 9mm's and a 45. While they are not the prettiest horse in the stable they go bang every time. I would not attempt to carry one, too heavy, but for placing at stragtic locations around the house without tying up thousands they are perfect. Kept on in my bathroom closet for 2 years no rust even in that high humidity location.

varoadking
April 1, 2007, 10:21 PM
I look at it this way...how much sense does it make to buy a gun that sells for less than 1,000 rounds of the very ammo it uses?

hksw
April 1, 2007, 11:35 PM
I will rethink my opinion of Hi Points now that I've heard some positive remarks. I will try and shoot one to see for myself.

Having noted that the knocks against the Hi Points on all of the gun forums I frequent were almost all from non-owners, it was because if that that I went and got one to see for myself.

IMO, a capable gun. If all you are looking for is something to shoot reliably with some accuracy, they are much more than what you pay for them. Nowhere near the accuracy of a $1000+ gun but easily combat accurate, at least my sample (C-9 Comp).

Only drawbacks are its bulk and the stiff spring (which could be an issue for weak hands) needed for its simple blowback action.

After over 2000 rounds through mine (stopped counting), only a couple (possibly three, it has been a long time in the past) misfeeds in the first 50 rounds fired through it.

bensdad
April 1, 2007, 11:48 PM
I love mine (C9). Like every OWNER has said, good enough, accurate enough, reliable enough. Best warranty in the biz. Not small enough for a pocket... unless you have those really baggy pants that hang down off of your butt. Trigger is rough.

Others complain about the size and style of the safety...

the safety lever small and hard to operate.

Might just be my hands, but I find it almost perfect for my thumb. The only safety I like better (can flip easier) is on my 1911. It's way better than the one on my Daewoo.

Dgreno
April 2, 2007, 12:31 AM
I have a C9. I think it is a decent good gun. Lifetime warrenty, can't beat that. Not my CCW because its a brick. I have also had quite a few stovepipes at the range, I think mostly due to the low quality mags. My 8 rd mag is the one I have trouble with the most, but the 10 rd is too long, imho, to be comfortable to carry. It has had ~1000 rounds through it. It has been a good gun, but it gets finiky when dirty (after about 50-100 rounds). The gun, imho, is uncomfortably top heavy. I do keep it in my nightstand with a 10rd magazine. I am the second owner. The first owner loved it and used it everyday as a ccw in an IWB holster. It is hard to field strip, you have to remove a pin using a steel tool and a mallet. Just for reference, my CCW is a Taurus Millennium PT145 PRO.
Dave

makarovnik
April 2, 2007, 03:31 AM
The .45 acp rocks! It is very heavy but reliable and accurate.

freebird
April 2, 2007, 11:42 AM
Good Lord! Sorry guys! I did not mean to cause a family fued. Actually I have a Mil Pro PT 45 for my concealed carry and love it and also have a Kel Tec P3AT .380 Hard Chrome for my pocket and love it! I am really asking for a friend. I suggested they get the Kel Tec but they saw this one and wanted something just for around the house and maybe the glove box. I do however appreciate all the posts you have all been very, very helpful! Thanks!

STAGE 2
April 2, 2007, 03:02 PM
Cheaply made pot metal guns. You do get what you pay for. There is a reason why they have such a good warranty... because they need it. I've shot several and only one made it through an entire mag without malfunction.

If you're looking for a cheap beater truck gun then its probable a good deal. Use it for anything else and you're taking your life in your hands.

B yond
April 2, 2007, 04:03 PM
There is a term for people who've never shot a Hi-Point but love to tell you how horrible they are: Gun Snobs.

Granted, they are fugly, heavy, and cheap.

They are also reliable, practical, and expendable.

I bought my C-9 when I was a poor college student. It was what I could afford. Now, its my tackle-box gun, because if I dropped it in a lake I could fish it out and get any repairs done by Hi-Point for free. Gotta love that warranty.

The one thing I don't like is the way the firing pin moves freely. I'm not comfy keeping one in the chamber because when I did I would notice little marks on the primer where the firing pin had been bumping into it. :eek:

I've heard that Hi-Point used to make very poor quality guns, and especially bad magazines. That seems to be a lot better now. I've never had a FTF or FTE with mine, and I've used it plenty.

bestseller92
April 2, 2007, 09:15 PM
I don't have one, but a guy I work with has a two, in .40 and .45, and swears by them.

Im283
April 2, 2007, 10:42 PM
My first pistol was a Hi-Point, in .40 S&W.

I have had a few misfeeds in 500 rounds but considering the price they are well worth it.

Way to heavy to consider as a carry weapon, but it is very accurate and it is the one on my nightstand. I dunno where the term pot metal came from, it is not pot metal. My frame is polymer.

From ten to twenty feet there is no way I would miss, and at that range I doubt a second shot would be required. That makes a jam a moot point.

I recommend you buy one.

Gotta love the Gun Snob comment, lol

hksw
April 3, 2007, 12:17 AM
There is a reason why they have such a good warranty... because they need it.

Oh, you mean like Leupold, Zeiss, Premier Grade Freedom Arms, Rock River, etc.?

STAGE 2
April 3, 2007, 12:46 AM
I dunno where the term pot metal came from, it is not pot metal. My frame is polymer.

Its not the frame, its the slide. Zamack, or whatever they call is is really REALLY low grade metal. Why do you think the price is so low.


From ten to twenty feet there is no way I would miss, and at that range I doubt a second shot would be required. That makes a jam a moot point.

Thats the kind of logic that gets people dead.



Oh, you mean like Leupold, Zeiss, Premier Grade Freedom Arms, Rock River, etc.?

And what percentage of those products go back to the manufacturer compared to hi-points.

jlh26oo
April 3, 2007, 01:30 AM
Granted, they are fugly, heavy, and cheap.

Not judging them one way or the other, but is it not acceptable for an individual to express that they would never buy one based on the above alone? That doesn't mean they don't have other strong points, of course.

And I'm glad the option exists either way. more choices = more better imo.

lowrider
April 3, 2007, 02:45 AM
I don't own a hi-point yet. I have been looking at them and the 9 is a good size for carry. I think it's a stretch to say it could go in your pocket with any room to spare though. A cargo pants pocket for sure, but jeans would be tough because of it's thickness.

I spoke with a friend who has a 45 and says he has no problems with it, it works fine. The 45 is a big handled single stack, for in desk drawers and such. To carry the 9 is more realistic.

Good luck,

Biker

NC-Mike
April 3, 2007, 09:52 AM
I say thank God Hi Point is around. At least the average working stiff can get a decent firearm to defend his family and home.

They are decent firearms, made by a good American company with excellent customer service who stands behind their product. What's not to like.

22LongRifle
April 3, 2007, 11:17 AM
If you are wanting a C9, I would get the comp model. It has the better ten round magazine and a comp on the barrel. Too big for carry, but a great range gun and for the home or car.

And as far as the wonderful warrenty is "needed", well I'm glad its there. I've sent everyone of my HPs in cause they were used. They were looked over, brought up to "par" if needed.

Jerry

Im283
April 3, 2007, 12:33 PM
I stand corrected, guess it is made from pot metal.

"ZAMAK is a trademark covering a family of zinc alloys, the primary components of which are zinc, aluminium, magnesium and copper.
The most common ZAMAK alloy today is ZAMAK-3, but ZAMAK-2, ZAMAK-5 and ZAMAK-7 are all still being manufactured. These alloys are used extensively in die casting."

I still stand by my statement that I recommend you buy one, it is great fun to shoot. The few jams on feed I have had do not ruin the enjoyment of shooting. It has jammed on two magazine loads, the other 48 mag loads have run fine. And not everyone can afford a pistol that a gun snob would approve of.

Talking about getting people dead (me I assume) is not a nice thing to say.
The jams are always near the 7th or 8th round out of the magazine.

Marshall
April 3, 2007, 01:23 PM
Freebird,

Whatchya think Holmes? Go or no go?

hksw
April 3, 2007, 02:09 PM
And what percentage of those products go back to the manufacturer compared to hi-points.

Well, my C-9 Comp hasn't gone back yet but I did send back a Leupold Vari-X III 6.5-20X40 for fixing. (Limited reticle adjustment.)

STAGE 2
April 3, 2007, 04:00 PM
Well, my C-9 Comp hasn't gone back yet but I did send back a Leupold Vari-X III 6.5-20X40 for fixing. (Limited reticle adjustment.)


Statistically speaking I don't think its far too off the mark to say that hi-points probably have one of the greatest if not the greatest rate of return among production semi auto pistols today.

Whirlwind06
April 3, 2007, 05:14 PM
Statistically speaking I don't think its far too off the mark to say that hi-points probably have one of the greatest if not the greatest rate of return among production semi auto pistols today.

Kel-Tec has to up there too.
Spend some time on ktor.org. Lots of returns.
I have 2 KTs by the way and a Hiipoint carbine. So I'm not just picking on guns I don't own.

22LongRifle
April 3, 2007, 05:51 PM
What are your reasoning and stats about the high return rate?

Jerry

Marshall
April 3, 2007, 09:27 PM
Ah heck, you get what you pay for these days. Granted there are some over priced products and also some good value products but for the most part, you get what you pay for.

High Point doesn't have any magical foo foo dust that allows them to make a average pistol for far less than average money. A $128.00 45ACP semi-automatic handgun is not my idea of a product I want to own. Heck, maybe I'll buy a cheap Duncan yo-yo knock off, Lincoln Log clones or a Ronald McDonald punching bag that's not really Ronald. In my book, a gun like the High Point fits in that category, the only problem is, it's a firearm. When it comes to firearms, I'll keep my standards a bit higher for many reasons. Heck, put off firing ammo for a few months and apply that money to a better quality gun. You're odds of being happier and safer are much higher. You don't have to buy a Les Baer to have great odds, like I pointed out, a few months of ammo can get you very nice handgun.

skud_dusty
April 3, 2007, 10:44 PM
STAGE 2:

Statistically speaking I don't think its far too off the mark to say that hi-points probably have one of the greatest if not the greatest rate of return among production semi auto pistols today.

So...let's see these "statistics."

Blanket statements are not good argument points :cool:

Im283
April 3, 2007, 11:03 PM
Where do you get a Hi-point .45 for $128?

State to state must be different.

If it was not for the liberal do-gooders trying to pry weapons from honest owners the $400 9MM might got for half that and a Hi-Point would sell for
$50.

No way my pot metal polymer frame pistol should have cost $177 before tax.

Mike U.
April 4, 2007, 03:41 AM
You know, I remember reading where the owner or CEO of Hi-Point stated they were looking to fill a niche where average working people who could not afford hundreds of dollars on a HD firearm would have an option available to them. That being, to be able to have an accurate, reliable firearm that was affordable for lower income people.

After reading the reports from people who actually own and use these guns, and, also the occasional Hi-Point owner I run across at the range, it seems to me Hi-Point has accomplished their mission. Adding a Lifetime Warranty is a GREAT deal for an inexpensive firearm.

Now, I mainly shoot an HK USP45 these days, but, I remember earlier in my life when I could have really used a gun like this. I had to opt for a Jennings .380 which was a really iffy prospect and people who owned them would tell you as much. That does not appear to be the case with Hi-Point.

Personally, I applaud the efforts of Hi-Point for getting a decent, reliable handgun into the hands of honest, hard working people who would otherwise not have a means to defend their homes and loved ones. In all likelihood, these same people will use these guns as stepping stones to the more expensive name brand firearms most of us use and have come to love.

Call me a bliss-ninny if you must, but, I'm glad this company has stepped up to the plate for those who would otherwise have to do without or buy a gun that is supremely inferior in reliability and build and quite possibly, dangerously inferior.

Marshall
April 4, 2007, 08:54 AM
Where do you get a Hi-point .45 for $128?


Several places. Here one. Able Ammo (http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=9935_13105_13199&products_id=83306)

CajunBass
April 4, 2007, 09:02 AM
I'm another one who bought one to see if they're as bad as "everyone" says they are. Based on my sample of one, they're not.

I've put about 2,000 rounds through mine, (A C-9) with maybe a half dozen malfunctions. Nothing has broken on the gun. I've never had to send it back for repair. It just shoots and hits as close to where I aim as I expect any of my guns too.

Not bad for $139.00.

I don't shoot it much anymore, I've got a fair number of other guns I shoot, but if I needed it, it would do the job.

mrelijahgardner
April 4, 2007, 10:46 AM
I've carried my Hi Point for about a year now. I've got nicer newer guns but I just like my Hi Point .380.

I just bought a Sig 1911. I was showing a friend the difference between the two. I pulled the magazine out of the Hi Point and there were dust bunnies and all kinds of **** in there. I can't imagine subjecting my new sig to that kind of abuse. I put the magazine back in the Hi Point and it emptied the gun without a hitch. I'll clean it and carry it some more because it is just a good soild gun. Not as nice or accurate or powerfull as my other guns are but I know it will work when I need it to.

It fits my hands nicley, it's accurate enough for self defense. It is a little heavy but not so heavy it can't be carried.

Anyway, Just my opion on the Hi Point. I'm not saying they are the best gun in the world. But if you need something that works for a good price. Hi Point is the way to go.

makarovnik
April 5, 2007, 02:18 AM
Zamak is what the m16/ar15 receiver is made from. It's fine as long as there is enough "meat" on the slide and the breachface is a steel insert. The slide on the S&W .380 Sigma was made out of similar material.

STAGE 2
April 5, 2007, 03:30 AM
Zamak is what the m16/ar15 receiver is made from.

Surely you jest. Most AR recievers are made from aircraft grade 7075 T6 aluminum. That aint Zamak by a long shot. What is Zamak? Courtesy of a little wiki work...


ZAMAK is a trademark covering a family of zinc alloys, the primary components of which are zinc, aluminium, magnesium and copper.

The most common ZAMAK alloy today is ZAMAK-3, but ZAMAK-2, ZAMAK-5 and ZAMAK-7 are all still being manufactured. These alloys are used extensively in die casting.

The New Jersey Zinc Company first developed the ZAMAK alloys in the 1920s. The name ZAMAK is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Z for Zink (zinc), A for Aluminium (aluminum), MA for magnesium and K for Kupfer (copper). It is also known as ZAMAC.

One of the more familiar uses of ZAMAK is in making die-cast toys. It is also beginning to be used in automotive wheel balancing weights as a substitute for lead, especially in the European Union. ZAMAK is often called "pot metal" or "white metal".


Something about my pistol sharing the same metal as a diecast toy just doesn't make me feel right.

tostada
April 5, 2007, 04:40 AM
Im283 already did that wiki work.

Honestly, do you think a gun is bad because it is made out of the same thing as toys? You do realize that polymers are much more popular in toys than ZAMAK, don't you? I'm sure die-cast Hot Wheels are seveal times sturdier than most toys these days. So can I assume that you would never trust a gun that uses polymers?

And what's with this crap you keep saying about Hi-Point probably having a ridiculously high number of returns? Their profit margins can't be very high selling $100 guns. If they were swamped with returns, they would simply go out of business. If you're going to attempt an argument, could you at least pretend to have some actual facts on your side?

You know, I'm sure there are plenty negative things you could say about Hi-Points without continuing to stick your foot in your mouth. Try a little harder.

hceptj
April 5, 2007, 08:57 AM
Have owned both the 9mm and the 45...never had a problem with either of them. They are not pretty and the 45 is big, but they go bang everytime I pull the trigger.

My brother owns a 45 and has never had a problem with it...he keeps it in his truck.

My son owns a 9mm and also has never had an issue with it...being young and not having much money it was all he could afford at the time.

As for carrying, even the 9mm is a little large and for a little more you could get something smaller and more comfortable...bersa 380, etc.

aubie515
April 5, 2007, 09:38 AM
EVERYONE online has an opinion...even if they never seen the weapon or fired the weapon. To the OP, you have to read between the lines when it comes to asking a question on a firearm forum. I just find it amusing when people bash on a firearm without owning or shooting one. We sold plenty of Hi Points in the gun shop I used to work for and they are reliable. IMO, Hi Points are ugly as sin, but they are built like tanks. The one drawback was that the pistols are so bulky that finding a holster for CCW was difficult. I heard that holster companies are starting to offer holsters for Hi Points, so that should solve that minor issue.

I don't see anything wrong with buying an inexpensive pistol to get yourself into shooting. Not everyone has the funds to buy high end firearms. Ultimately, it's the shooter and what he/she can do with the weapon.

Im283
April 5, 2007, 04:41 PM
+1 aubie

22LongRifle
April 5, 2007, 04:53 PM
If you ever wanted to open carry a HP in 40S&W or 45ACP, get yourself a belt and put a couple of nail pouches and a cordless drill "holster" on it! Noone would know!

Jerry

longhorngunman
April 6, 2007, 12:31 AM
I used to think the Hipoints were total junk till a friend of mine bought one. I laughed at it and gave him some grief about it. Then watched him put 1000rds through it without a hitch and never cleaning the dang thing!:eek: Eventually bought one, it would jam at first but I found the cause to be the magazine feed lips were turned to far in causing the round to nose dive into the feed ramp. A little work with some pliers fixed that and I never had a problem with it again. Later sold it to a coworker who couldn't afford a "good" gun. He says its been very reliable for him.
And if it is a bad gun Hipoint's customer service is as good as there is. Due to their very basic blowback operation they are generally reliable guns, I don't know about the durability though, 1K-2K probably fine but I doubt they were designed for 10,000+ round shooting life.
Still feels a little iffy trusting a gun that uses the firing pin for a ejector though.

hksw
April 6, 2007, 10:25 AM
Statistically speaking I don't think its far too off the mark to say that hi-points probably have one of the greatest if not the greatest rate of return among production semi auto pistols today.

Still waiting on supporting data.

SIXTO
April 6, 2007, 12:39 PM
I have worked on a public range p/t for years. I have seen a lot of guns come and go. I am here to say that Hipoints are a pos.
I'm glad if you bought one and like it, to each his own. I would not trust my life to the lowest quality materials and design on the market.

NC-Mike
April 6, 2007, 01:28 PM
gun-tests.com rates the Hi-Point 995 carbine a best buy.

http://www.hi-pointfirearms.com/documents/guntest.pdf

November 2006 issue of Combat Handguns magazine, titled "Hi-Point C9 9mm: A no-nonsense, no-frills sureshot you can bet your life on!"

http://www.harrisoutdoorgroup.com/CHbacknov06.html

From Shooting Times

Hi-Point Pistols: Basic But Oh So Reliable!

I was suitably impressed with the reliability, accuracy, and handling qualities displayed by both pistols. I think it would be fair to say that if you are in the market for an eminently affordable handgun that is capable of firing authoritative cartridges for home defense or informal plinking, a Hi-Point pistol may just fill the bill.

http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/hipoint_100605/index.html



Again this proves, listen to people who own them and people who have shot them. There will never be a shortage of people who have done neither but are more than willing to an opinion.

Take a look at the robust Hi-Point forum and you'll get all the information you need.

Avenger29
April 7, 2007, 12:05 AM
I would not trust my life to the lowest quality materials and design on the market.

Sorry, but Highpoint does not have the lowest quality materials/design on the market. That honor goes to pistols such as Jennings or Raven (the kind of companies that change their names to avoid lawsuits). Even these pistols might reliable enough to get through a magazine, and that may be all that is asked of them.

You have to realize that some people cannot afford that much to put into a pistol or range time. These people are not gunnies, they do not go to the range much, and they are only looking for a pistol to keep in the house. It may be the only weapon they can afford at the time. These are not the people that shoot a couple thousand rounds a year. They would be lucky to put a box of ammo through the pistol a year, and only clean it that one time, if that much. They don't go to shooting courses taught by Massad Ayoob. They have never heard of Thunder Ranch or Jeff Cooper. They couldn't tell you what IDPA stands for. The Hipoint is the perfect weapon for them. The biggest drawback to the Hipoint is that it is a little bulky and heavy, but it does work.

CZ.22
April 7, 2007, 12:00 PM
I would buy one if they weren't so ugly. The look like crap. If Hi-point could make them look like a Colt 1903, or the like, then I'd get a C-9

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