How many of you have been delayed?


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Nil
April 1, 2007, 06:47 PM
I was quite excited this afternoon by the Dunham's counter when I saw a pristine Yugo 24/47 Mauser sitting in the display case. The stock was dark with only a handful of minor dings, the bore and rifling was pretty much perfect and the hardware had almost 100% bluing. I filled out the form (correctly), handed it to the employee and then walked around the store while he has on the phone. I came back a few minutes later right before he hung up and he comments that I've been delayed. My excitement turned to annoyance and I sulked off without my new rifle.

This is my fifth firearm purchase and the second time I'm been delayed. The first gun I bought, a Yugo SKS, I had no problems with. With the second, a Ruger 10/22, I was delayed one day. The third and fourth were handguns and thus subject to a 48 hour waiting period, so I can't comment on any potential background check delays there. So really, I've been delayed two out of the three times that I could have theoretically walked away with the gun that day.

Now I'm just wondering if this is a common occurrence, so thus the title of this thread: how many times have you been delayed?

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Nomad, 2nd
April 1, 2007, 06:52 PM
I havn't... but then I have frequent flyer miles.

bogie
April 1, 2007, 07:16 PM
It's a weekend. I'll bet that they're short-staffed (at their busiest hours...), because That Is The Way Of The Bureacracy.

Also, I know it's not required by law, but a social security number, if you've got a common name, works wonders.

dralarms
April 1, 2007, 07:18 PM
I was delayed once, My lgs got on the phone to find out why and suddenly I was approved.

Nil
April 1, 2007, 07:24 PM
Also, I know it's not required by law, but a social security number, if you've got a common name, works wonders.

My name is far from common. In fact, I'd be incredibly surprised if more than a handful of people in the US had my name even taking into account spelling variations. With that being said, I still put down my social security number for every transaction.

Does anyone know if they check extra for people of non-white descent? Being of mixed heritage, I marked my races down as Asian and white.

Gator
April 1, 2007, 07:35 PM
I get delayed EVERY darn time....there must be some miscreant out there with a similar name as mine :fire:

But since I live in an occupied state, with a three day waiting period, the delay doesn't matter all that much.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v135/Galt38/behindbars.jpg

66912
April 1, 2007, 07:52 PM
Due to a legal issue many, many moons ago, I was delayed everytime I went to purchase a firearm. I was informed by my FFL that all I had to do was contact ATF and they would give me a bypass code to curtail future issue's. Believe it or not, the person I dealt with at ATF was curtious and very prompt to change my situation. I have not had a issue since.

Sisco
April 1, 2007, 08:24 PM
I'm "delayed" every time. It's always been approved during the same phone call but they have to transfer the call to someone else.
No clue what the deal is.

Clipper
April 1, 2007, 08:32 PM
I've been delayed 80% of my transactions. I never give my SS#...Not because of the govt types, but because I can't be certain the store's copy will not be compromised somehow.

davera
April 1, 2007, 09:36 PM
I've been delayed several times, probably for a 1973 situation that the politicians call "youthful experimentation" :scrutiny: But of the last year, 4 rifles, no delays. One guy told me that there are two levels at NICS - the first is a quick one (a friend usually gets a proceed at the last digit of his SSN) and a second "further review". I think I'm now getting approved in the second stage.

Funny story - when I got my CCW, I went to pick it up and overheard some conversation from the back as they were apparently finishing up the paperwork from the background check "...marijuana conviction in 1973..." was what I heard. Still got the CCW. Guess it helps to have a clean record after that.

MikeFF
April 1, 2007, 09:47 PM
I get delayed every time any where from 10 mins to 2 hours, from an incident in daytona during bike week, 1989 , officially I was having too much fun! :evil:

floridaboy
April 1, 2007, 09:50 PM
I get delayed every time and end up waiting 3 days.

GRB
April 1, 2007, 09:51 PM
Does anyone know if they check extra for people of non-white descent? Oh please...

RangerVA
April 1, 2007, 09:56 PM
I have never had to wait over a minute or two. I have been in gunshops where one or sometimes two folks are put on hold ahead of me and I clear instantly :D this has angered other customers who had to wait for a callback. Of course I have never been in trouble except for a seat belt ticket in 98 :cool:

Nil
April 1, 2007, 10:05 PM
Oh please...

It was a serious question and apparently, determined through the answers that were more informative than yours, it appears to not be the case. My experience in airports and with police can lead me to no other conclusion than that race does account for law enforcement decisions so it does make a certain amount of sense that it may be a factor in background checks.

Hoppy590
April 1, 2007, 10:09 PM
iv never been delayed, lucky me. and im suprised. i figured atleast one hold up.

Kaylee
April 1, 2007, 10:26 PM
Just once .. some chick with a similar name in my state has Been a Very Bad Girl.

Since I started putting my social on the 4473 - no delays.

-K

TCB in TN
April 1, 2007, 10:28 PM
Couple of weeks ago I went in and I filled out the paperwork, guy was typing things into his computer as I was filling out the paperwork. Handed me the thumb print card and when I handed it to him, he handed me my gun and I was on my way. Has been that way in the last 3 shops I have been in. Not a fan of the back ground check, but for me at least it has been relatively painless.

220_Swift
April 1, 2007, 10:35 PM
I've been delayed every single time since I was 18, which is the past 12 years. Another "gentleman" in my state, with the same first name, middle initial, and last name is a very bad boy. Even with my SS#, I am delayed. But, they usually call back within 15-20 minutes. I just let the dealer know about it ahead of time if I haven't done business their before. It doesn't bother me too much since I have to wait 24 hours for a long gun, and 36 hours for a handgun.

Primersinmyshoe
April 2, 2007, 12:01 AM
I've never been delayed, and they've had almost 30 chances. Working at a gun shop, and calling in a few NICS myself I can agree that a SS # really helps. I have seen several customers get delayed. One local fellow didn't know how to spell his last name - what a dufus. I spent a half an hour with one customer, finally decided which gun to buy. He ended up being denied. Funny thing was he had a Permit to Acquire from his local sheriff.

TallPine
April 2, 2007, 12:01 PM
Only when the "system was down" (ended up being 24 hrs and another 100 mile round trip to town) :mad:

Leitmotif
April 2, 2007, 12:15 PM
*chuckle*

Speak to me when you're forced to wait a year and a half to get a license... for *each* gun you buy.

You guys are so damn lucky...

Dr. Dickie
April 2, 2007, 12:29 PM
Leitmotif,
All I can say is wow!:what:
I cannot imagine, I do not want to be able to imagine; however, you have my wishes to things will improve.

MD_Willington
April 2, 2007, 12:53 PM
...but I kind of expected it since I'm here in the USA on a green card. Even when I purchase a pistol and have my carry permit, I still have a 2 day wait.

I'm in no hurry, so it doesn't bother me.

Young gun
April 2, 2007, 01:03 PM
I took my little brother out to help him buy his first rifle.

He was really excited then got delayed. He was really confused and worried. partially b/c he had just decided to go into the Navy and was worried a mix up would keep him out or delay him from joining up.

The owner and i both told him not to worry, but not being exposed to the intracasies of the backround check he didn't know what to make of it. But by the time we got home the store called with the all clear.

CA357
April 2, 2007, 01:13 PM
I'm in the Granola State of California. I can legally buy one handgun every thirty days only. There is also a ten day waiting period whether you buy a handgun or a long gun.

paramedic70002
April 2, 2007, 01:17 PM
I get a 30 minute delay every time. Several years ago the NRA printed some ads in their rag about some bad people, turns out I have the exct same name of a double murderer. Now my wife buys the guns!

fatelk
April 2, 2007, 01:32 PM
I used to get delayed every time when the instant check was Federal. Now Oregon has their own instant check system and I've had no problems. Of course the OSP charges $10 each time.:(

Years ago a delay cost me, because of a jerk at a gun shop. I was in a shop about an hour away and overheard the son of the owner trying his best to sell an old 10/22 to a customer, knocking the price down to $85. The guy left without buying it, so I asked if he would sell it to me for that price.
He agreed, I started the paperwork, he says "Oh, you'll need a magazine with it" and starts taking a new mag out of it's package off the wall. I told him I had a couple mags already from my old 10/22 that got stolen, so he agreed to keep the mag and knock another $10 off.

I was delayed but was going to pay for it anyway and pick it up later. He said just pay for it when I pick it up and stupidly I agreed.

I called a couple days later and asked the owner if it was OK to come pick it up yet. He say "sure, no problem. This was the one you did some trading on, right?"
I say "no, just a cash deal."
"No, that can't be. We can't sell it that cheap, that's below our cost"
"Sorry, I don't know about that, but it's the deal your son made."
He didn't say much more but when I got there he says my paperwork was lost and if I wanted the rifle I would have to fill out a new 4473 and pay his price.
Not a good way to do business.

CajunBass
April 2, 2007, 01:42 PM
I get a 30 minute delay every time. Several years ago the NRA printed some ads in their rag about some bad people, turns out I have the exct same name of a double murderer. Now my wife buys the guns!

About the same for me. I've got a pretty common name, so I'm sure there is a list of folks as long as my arm on the wrong side of things. I'd consider 30 minutes to be quick. I once waited a couple hours, then had to go to work, so I just came back the next day.

My wife on the other hand takes about ten minutes. Guess who buys the guns.

CNYCacher
April 2, 2007, 02:16 PM
Only time I ever filled out a 4473 was a Saturday morning at about 9:20 AM. The dealer phoned in right in front of me and it was instant in the true sense of the word. As soon as he got done giving the info he said thank you and hung up. I told him that it was faster than I expected, he replied that they generally go quick as long as you get someone who speaks english as a first language. :what:

Interesting story, this shop supposedly opens at 9:00, the owner showed up at 9:15 to find me in his parking lot waiting on him to open up the place and my pocket on fire. I walked out no later than 9:25 with a WASR-10 and 500 rounds of overpriced wolf ammo. I commented to him as I left that he had made a pretty good start on the day. He agreed but opined that I had probably jinxed him for the rest of the weekend. :D

Superpsy
April 2, 2007, 02:19 PM
Even when I purchase a pistol and have my carry permit, I still have a 2 day wait.


wow. even with the carry permit? I thought you were able to bypass NICS as long as you showed your CCW license. In this situation I thought the green card wouldn't matter? :confused:

hso
April 2, 2007, 02:19 PM
Never, and I've been though the process far more often than most.

Regen
April 2, 2007, 02:22 PM
I got delayed about 10 min recently when I purchased my first pistol. I'm not exactly sure what the problem was but I included by SSN and had used the abbreviation for my state of residence.

I had to cross out my state of residence, initial it and write out the state name in full.

When I've fill out 4473's for my shotgun and rifle in the past, the check was under a minute. That store I believe told me to write out the state name in full.

glockman19
April 2, 2007, 02:33 PM
I'm in CA. one gun every 30 days. Once I got a little anxious and had to re DROS. Another 10 day wait. I won't make that mistake again.

Yakko
April 2, 2007, 03:55 PM
Once. I usually put my SSN on the form. One time I didn't do it... 3 day delay.

Frog48
April 2, 2007, 05:36 PM
I get delayed every time. It can range from a few minutes to several days.

Its REALLY annoying when the gun shop doesnt call you to let you know you can come pick it up. I've had several shops not call, so I either have to call or stop by to see whats up. I've found a couple of good shops that are very prompt in calling you when they get the "proceed".

Big Calhoun
April 2, 2007, 05:40 PM
Never out of 5 firearm purchases. I've always put my S.S. (didn't know it was optional) on the 4473 and guess that made the difference. I'm geeked to go and purchase a firearm now having my CHL.

Cmon paycheck!!!!!!!

22-rimfire
April 2, 2007, 08:17 PM
Never had a problem and I always list my SS# on the form. Since the NICs check started, every dealer I have dealt with said "put your SS# on the form" or you will probably be delayed. So I do....

If somebody really wants to find out what your SS# is, it can be done. I don't make it easy as I shred all financial documents before trashing them, but it can be done.

slh7d
April 5, 2007, 01:39 PM
Hmm. I just got delayed also. I didnt put my SS down on the form. Lame.

mpmarty
April 5, 2007, 01:47 PM
Here in Oregon I get delayed every time I buy a gun for at least ten or fifteen minutes while the store person stands around with the phone in his ear waiting for an answer from the state police. Having a CCW makes no difference here.

mountainclmbr
April 5, 2007, 03:10 PM
I get delayed about half of the time. Once got denied and had to appeal before getting approval. That name check criteria was designed to deny as many people as possible. I think that if you get an anti, or a really lazy person doing the check, they won't go past the name check to the SSN.

Edit to add: I have CCW from 2 states too.

WeThePeople
April 5, 2007, 04:17 PM
I've been delayed either two or three times.

I started putting my SSN on the forms and haven't had problems since.

My name is very common and is even on the dreaded "watch list." NOT ME, JUST MY NAME!!! I get delayed at the airport every freakin' time regardless of the information that I give them, but I give the ATF my SSN and it goes through exery time. I wish that the airport was that efficient!

TallPine
April 5, 2007, 05:30 PM
I've never provided my SSN and have never been delayed (except for the system being "down").

I have a fairly common name too - there is (or was? - not sure about the last election) a member of the US House of Representatives with my first and last name. (he is probably even a very distant relative)

GhostCat
April 5, 2007, 05:53 PM
I get delayed almost everytime......VERY FRUSTRATING INDEED.......

Cosmoline
April 5, 2007, 05:55 PM
I've been delayed many times. It seems to be happening more and more lately, and not just to me. I do wonder if they've altered their software to create a de facto waiting period. You never get to know the reason for the delay, and cannot appeal a delay.

maxwell636
April 6, 2007, 12:21 AM
I also get delayed every time. I usually just end up waiting the three days. You can apply for a UPIN number (Voluntary Appeal File application) that allows the NICS system to keep your information for more than the 24 hours it is allowed. I am told this will eliminate erroneous delays. You can just call 1-877-324-6427 and tell them you want an application for a UPIN. Mine arrived in a few days. You have to get fingerprinted and sign a waiver allowing NICS to maintain a file containing various information. I am yet to decide if the three day wait is worth the loss of privacy (although you can notify the NICS people and ask that your file be destroyed at any time).

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cjisd/nics/lettertoffls.htm

Primersinmyshoe
April 6, 2007, 08:08 AM
Maxwell636, That is a great tip, thanks. I will be sure to share that with buyers at the shop that get delayed.

Ala Dan
April 6, 2007, 08:22 AM
Never delayed

distra
April 6, 2007, 08:32 AM
My wife and I both have been "delayed"/"temperary hold" placed on our purchase. Both times it was on the weekend, Saturday I believe. With pistol permits in CT you can walk in, buy and leave. They call the state or use the computerized system to check with the state to get an authorization number to complete the sale. Well, it turns out since my wife and I were born out side of the state of CT, the system kicks back a "temp hold" code. Bottom line is we had to drive back ( ~30miles) to the shop to pick it up during the week. The guy behind the counter made the comment that I was on hold. Annoying and I wish I could take the gas/mileage off my state tax :cuss:

MRIman
April 6, 2007, 09:05 AM
Never a delay at all. Never use my SS#.
Think it helps having an 03 FFL!!!

MRI

joab
April 6, 2007, 10:15 AM
Does anyone know if they check extra for people of non-white descent?No, the race card doesn't get played.

I have never been delayed that I know of in well over fifty purchases.

I have two felony arrests, no convictions, in my past
I recently found out that there are two bureaucratic misdemeanor charges against me now, but I was still approved for a recent handgun purchase

skypirate7
April 6, 2007, 12:49 PM
Over the years I've bought 9 guns and was delayed once. I was very surprised since I've got a perfectly clean record (not even a single speeding ticket). But a couple days later they called my gunstore back with the all-clear and my gunstore called me and I picked up my gun.

It happens. From what I've heard, 99% of delays end up going through fine in the end.

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