ammo, 9mm and 9mm luger differences


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Im283
April 4, 2007, 11:33 AM
Can someone explain the difference between these two shells?:confused:

Are they interchangable?

And i tried the Search thing, did not give me any answer.

Thanks

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DogBonz
April 4, 2007, 11:37 AM
9mm, 9mm NATO, 9mm Luger, 9X19, 9mm parabellum... They are all the same

9mm Kurtz (sp?) is not. It is the 380 auto.

Silvanus
April 4, 2007, 11:40 AM
That depends...

Usually when people say "9mm", they mean 9mm Luger (aka 9x19mm / 9mm parabellum / 9mm NATO).

But there are also calibers like 9mm kurz/short (.380 acp / 9x17mm) and 9mm makarov (9x18mm).

I hope this helps and doesn't confuse you even more.

edit: DogBonz types faster than me:D

another edit: it's "kurz", the German word for "short". I wonder why so many people write it with a "t".

wolfe28
April 4, 2007, 11:40 AM
Not sure I spelled that one right, but that is another 9mm round that is not compatable. According to the Lyman reloading manual, it's closer to 9.2mm, and the shell is shaped differently.

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possum
April 4, 2007, 11:52 AM
9mm, 9mm NATO, 9mm Luger, 9X19, 9mm parabellum... They are all the same

there you go bro!:)

Im283
April 4, 2007, 11:53 AM
I asked because the gun manual states "Never use ammuniton not specifically designated for your firearm".

The hangun itself says 9MM. And I inadvertantly bought a box of Remington
9MM Luger. I know when I bought the pistol i had bought 9MM. Both state 115gr.

Thanks for clearing it up for me.

Outlaw Man
April 4, 2007, 12:47 PM
The most commonly confused, at least by name, is the 9mm Largo, since you're seeing the uppercase L and the g and r. This round is not compatable, though I've heard of people firing 9mm Luger in a 9mm Largo chambered pistol with minimal problems.

Obviously, it's best to stick to what it's chambered for, though.

LordGibson
April 4, 2007, 02:08 PM
<off topic>

another edit: it's "kurz", the German word for "short". I wonder why so many people write it with a "t".

I suspect most people add the "t" because that's how it sounds when spoken aloud.

</off topic>

ArchAngelCD
April 5, 2007, 12:23 AM
I found out over a year ago when I started buying guns that the .380 Auto was also known as the 9X17mm, 9X17mm Short, 9mm Short or 9mm Browning. Also, the .32 Auto is the 7.65mm Browning and the .25 Auto is the 6.35mm Browning.

This can be very confusing for new shooters.

Onmilo
April 5, 2007, 09:14 AM
And remember, 9mm Largo is not Spanish for 9mm Luger,,,,,

armoredman
April 5, 2007, 10:16 AM
Don't forget 9x21.

DogBonz
April 5, 2007, 10:25 AM
Or any of the 38's, like 38 super, 38TJ, 38 Para... et all, which are techincally 9mm. But we wanted to keep it simple.:D

http://www.xs4all.nl/~fburgers/9x23.html

Silvanus
April 5, 2007, 12:15 PM
I suspect most people add the "t" because that's how it sounds when spoken aloud.

You're probably right. Being used to both languages (and none of them are my mother tongue) I didn't think about that.

joneb
April 5, 2007, 01:39 PM
And then there is the 9mm Ultra which has a case length of 18mm like the 9x18 Makarov but the Ultra uses around a 100gr .355 dia. bullet.

More info; http://hunting.about.com/od/guns/l/aasthandguncara.htm

gandog56
April 5, 2007, 09:41 PM
Aw, let's confuse things some more. There's a 357 Sig, which is a 9mm in a special re-enforced necked down 40 cal body. (Do not try to make these by necking down 40 S&W cases, they aren't designed to handle the pressure) Allegedly, SIG shied away from calling its new cartridge a nine-millimeter-anything for fear of public rejection of the round. Instead, it was dubbed a "357" in order to highlight its purpose: to duplicate the performance of 125-grain .357 Magnum loads fired from 4-inch barrelled revolvers, except in a cartridge designed to be used expressly in an autoloader platform.

Bobo
April 5, 2007, 10:38 PM
9 mm = .354 inches. Most 9 mm bullets actually measure from .355 to .357 inches in diameter.

A 9 mm diameter x 17 mm long round has many common names.
Among them are:
.380 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol)
9 mm Corto
9 mm Kurz or Kurtz
9 mm Browning Short
".380 ACP" is the term most commonly used in the U.S., the other terms are used more commonly in Europe and elsewhere.

A 9 mm diameter x 18 mm long round is often called:
9 mm Makarov (actually 9.2 mm)
9 mm Police
9 mm Ultra

A 9 mm diameter x 19 mm long round is often called:
9 mm Parabellum
9 mm Luger
9 mm NATO
This is the most common 9 mm round. When the term "9 mm" is used alone, this is usually the round that is being referred to.

There are also other less common 9 mm rounds:
9 mm x 20 mm (Browning Long)(SR)
9 mm x 21 mm (IMI)
9 mm x 23 mm (Largo)(Steyr)(Bergmann-Bayard)

The .357 caliber bullet, as in ".357 Magnum (9 mm x 31 mm)" and ".357 SIG" are also 9 mm bullets.
The .38 caliber bullet, as in ".38 Special (9 mm x 29 mm)" is also a 9 mm bullet.
Most .357 caliber revolvers will also fire .38 Special rounds.

There are also other rounds with this same diameter bullet:
.38 S&W (Colt New Police)(Colt Super Police)
.38 Super Auto

That's all I can think of for now. I'm sure others can add more.
Very confusing and probably more than you'd care to know.:evil:

Im283
April 8, 2007, 07:03 PM
Bobo you are a fountain of information fer sure!

Will any of the 9mm x 17mm or 18mm work in a standard 9mm x19mm pistopl?

Deer Hunter
April 8, 2007, 07:09 PM
No, any 9mm from an autoloader is not interchangable with various other 9mm loadings.

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