New Ruger "Mini-14 Target" model; illegal in CA


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Creeping Incrementalism
April 4, 2007, 01:47 PM
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=56005&d=1175704864
Ruger is introducing a "target" model Mini-14 with a heavier barrel, tuneable harmonic dampener, and thumbhole stock (which makes it illegal in CA). I just think it is funny that a company whose founder sold us out in an effort to save his beloved Mini-14, has its target version (less "military", more "sporting") not legal under California AW law.

I wonder if the receiver/barrel fits in any other Mini stocks, and if Ruger would make the effort to package them so for California? I'm sure a specialty outfit could probably do it... not that I'd buy one.


Ruger Mini-14 Target Rifles are rugged ceterfire autoloading rifles that provide reliable performance with the following features:

** Heavy, hammer forged stainless steel barrel with recessed target crown.

** Adjustable harmonic dampener to tune rifle for minute of angle accuracy.

** Laminated black target stock with spacers for adjusting length of pull by up to 1-1/2 inches.

** Wide flat forend for easy holding or resting on sandbags.

** Non-slip grooved rubber recoil pad.

** Improved receiver with rounded corners.

** Simple, rugged Garand-style breechbolt locking system, with a fixed-piston gas system and self-cleaning moving gas cylinder.

** Shipped with stainless steel scope rings, an $80.00 value.

** Chambered in the popular .223 Rem. cartridge.

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DoubleTapDrew
April 4, 2007, 01:54 PM
Well it's ugly enough to be Cali legal... :neener:
How do those shoot? Are they up to AR accuracy (1 moa)?
What are the evil featues? Seems like it would be easy to make a mag well block off plate and use a fixed mag like bolt guns.
Maybe that evil assault tiger-stripe urban camo wood grain pattern on the stock confuses and angers feinstein :eek:

SSN Vet
April 4, 2007, 02:01 PM
that I will never purchase anything made by Ruger.

Dmack_901
April 4, 2007, 02:35 PM
Couldn't they just do either of these?

Reddbecca
April 4, 2007, 02:51 PM
I just think it is funny that a company whose founder sold us out in an effort to save his beloved Mini-14, has its target version (less "military", more "sporting") not legal under California AW law.

He only did it with magazines, because a great number of firearms were threatened with being banned from civilian ownership. There's no telling what would've happened if he hadn't sent that letter. For all we know all our AR-15s and AK-47s and SKSs would've been banned outright.

Personally I'm glad the new model isn't politically correct and California Approved. I'm tired of manufacturers deciding that they've gotta make their guns in such a way that complies with the stupid laws of extreme liberal wingnuts. I say it's time to start pissing them off.

Creeping Incrementalism
April 4, 2007, 08:28 PM
He only did it with magazines, because a great number of firearms were threatened with being banned from civilian ownership. There's no telling what would've happened if he hadn't sent that letter. For all we know all our AR-15s and AK-47s and SKSs would've been banned outright

According to Neal Knox, "While I agree that a ban on over-15-round magazines would be "indefinitely preferable" to a ban on the guns that use them, that's not the question. Neither I, nor the other gun groups have ever believed that we were faced with such an either/or choice. Early last year the NRA legislative Policy committee discussed various alternatives to the proposed "assault weapons" ban, and wisely decided that magazine restrictions wouldn't satisfy our foes, but would make it more difficult to stop a gun ban."

- http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/papabill.html

And besides, a few years later we got the Clinton AWB, which included both mag and firearm bans.

Personally I'm glad the new model isn't politically correct and California Approved. I'm tired of manufacturers deciding that they've gotta make their guns in such a way that complies with the stupid laws of extreme liberal wingnuts. I say it's time to start pissing them off.

This isn't pissing them off because it isn't being sold in California! It makes the liberals happy because they can say, "see more guns that can't be legally sold in our state."

762X39
April 4, 2007, 08:57 PM
The Mini14 was never that good a rifle and still isn't....
Of course I don't think that Colts M-16 were that great either ( I served with a C7 which is a Canadian built M16) but I digress.
I have several Ruger weapons (that introduced me to firearms and put plaques on my wall) and respect the late Mr Ruger in spite of all the bull**** that has happened in your country as well as mine regarding firearms. Pissing on him because of his actions means we should also piss on Colt and Smith & Wesson for their deals and actions as well.
Guess what... they all have made good weapons at one time or another. Although I will probably never buy a Smith, I do own a very nice Colt King Cobra. Trying to survive means that sometimes you make deals with the Devil that you later regret. If you are an armchair critic my advice to you is F### off unless you have laid it on the line for real like all the new vets both our countries are generating at this time.

Nuff said for now.

blackhawk2000
April 4, 2007, 10:30 PM
Never thought I would say this, but good for California.

Creeping Incrementalism
April 7, 2007, 07:25 AM
I have several Ruger weapons (that introduced me to firearms and put plaques on my wall) and respect the late Mr Ruger in spite of all the bull**** that has happened in your country as well as mine regarding firearms. Pissing on him because of his actions means we should also piss on Colt and Smith & Wesson for their deals and actions as well.

As I type this there's a Mini sitting two feet away. Slim, elegant, reliable as long as I don't let too much desert sand and Russian carbon foul it, and accurate as far as Minis go. I learned how to load ammunition with an M77 as the firearm. And I've shot some very tight groups with a Blackhawk 22LR. So I have heartfelt emotions towards Ruger firearms as strong as anyone.

But anyone who every mentioned firearm capacities and "simple civillians" in the same instance, is a pure selfish traitor. Not just a selfish traitor, but a short-sighted one at that. He would kill 50% of RKBA in an effort to save his own company, when really he was just helping the antis to kill his own business in the long run.

I wouldn't buy anything from any company that restricts sales of legal products to civillians [Colt], and S&W seems to have reversed policy since then... I'm not sure, but I haven't bought anything from them and they are under new owners anyway. But only Ruger insulted us, while making a major blow for the antis, in a stupid, short-sighted attempt to save his own "little rifle" (Mini) that the antis with HR 1022 are trying to ban anyway. Bill Ruger was a total appeaser, but one so dumb he sold his own company out not too many years after he sold the rest of us out... a Chamberlain, Quisling, and Benedict Arnold all rolled into one, but far dumber and even more pathetic than any of them.

As Wikipedia puts it,

However, the tactic was a complete failure. Not only was the Mini-14 included in the various lists of banned guns, but the customer base of "simple civilians" simply found other vendors, while the government and law-enforcement markets largely continued to pass by Ruger products in favor of arms from Colt's, Springfield Armory, Heckler and Koch, FN and others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturm%2C_Ruger

And for that Ruger quote...

"I never meant for simple civilians to have my 20 or 30 round magazines or my folding stock." - Bill Ruger

http://www.thegunzone.com/rkba/papabill.html

Even Khrushchev denounched Stalin. I'm waiting for Bill Jr....

DWARREN123
April 7, 2007, 10:43 AM
Mr. Ruger was no better or worse than others for trying to compromise. Making a firearm or component illegal is less than reasonable when an inanimate object does not do anything without human intervention.
All of the firearms companies have compromised one way or another or if not American have probably supplied someone not friendly to us.

Oohrah
April 8, 2007, 03:52 AM
From the looks of most catalogs, not too much gets into
********** these days. Most likely this Ruger is deemed evil
no matter what it wears. It would sure be neat if Ruger would
update at a reasonable price the older ones to a target version.
Look how the 10/22 took off!!!!:)

glockman19
April 8, 2007, 03:59 AM
Just get a different stock you're fine. I don't like the stock anyway.

tasco 74
April 8, 2007, 04:06 AM
what kind of dumba$$ cali lawmaker would call anything thing with a thumbhole an assualt weapon???????:fire: :fire: :cuss: :cuss:

azhunter12
April 8, 2007, 04:29 AM
I'm glad the new model isn't politically correct and California Approved. I'm tired of manufacturers deciding that they've gotta make their guns in such a way that complies with the stupid laws of extreme liberal wingnuts. I say it's time to start pissing them off.Can anyone explain the pros of living in CA??? Besides beaches there's nothing good that is in the state. --(plus you can't own any "fun" guns)-- Just my 2. AZhunter☻

Reyn
April 8, 2007, 04:51 AM
Id rather have an AR but wouldnt heisitate to purchase one if i came across a good deal. I like their M77s.So far ive noticed people biased about Glocks,Colts,Rugers,and S&W due to one thing or another considering their buisness practice. Am i leaving someone out?

Doggieman
April 8, 2007, 07:52 AM
Beaches, good looking women, sun, style, awesome scenery. Pretty much it. Oh and I travel abroad fairly frequently.. when people ask me where I'm from I say "California" instead of "the US" and they hate me less.

enichols
April 8, 2007, 12:21 PM
Ya know, I was looking at this silly Ruger rifle thinking... what are people's principal gripes with the Mini-14? Usually, it's that they're inaccurate, have crappy triggers, and are overpriced.

That being said, it boggles my mind that Ruger didn't simply upgrade the Mini-14 with a slightly heavier barrel and improved trigger. Why not just address the problems that way and maintain the rifle's utility as a light .223 carbine? Hell, if Ruger made a Mini-14 that had a heavier profile barrel, decent trigger, kept the Garand sights, and was priced at $450-500, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

Now they have a rifle that will sell for $900 (?) which I can't even buy because of my state's laws.

Great.

spaceCADETzoom
April 8, 2007, 12:41 PM
Can anyone explain the pros of living in CA??? Besides beaches there's nothing good that is in the state. --(plus you can't own any "fun" guns)-- Just my 2. AZhunter☻

Better service, better environment, infinitely better weather...objectively, the most beautiful state in the union--from beaches to vast redwood forests, to snowcapped mountains, to endless fields. I really wish more people had your attitude...if people quit coming to california by the masses, we wouldn't have your bs gun laws. Guess what? It's non-natives that insist on overlegislating their lives.

California bashing only comes from the closeminded shut-ins that have never been outside of their 30 mile radius of their non-CA birthplace. I've lived many places. And by the food alone CA owns all. THe people, the weather, the CAR CULTURE.etc,etc... Where else could you scuba in the ocean without a drysuit, surf, ski, snowboard, and even plink at cans with your EBR, all on the same winter day? Where else can you have Corvettes, Vipers, M3s, lifted monster trucks, all at the same stoplight and with no one even turning a head because all of those cars are so common?

People forget that CA is an almost perfect cross section of America in general. It is by far the largest state, and by cross section the most populist. Check out our congressmen...we have the most severe conservatives in the union and the most severe Democrats. You all forget that if put to a vote tomorrow, the US as a whole would outlaw all EBRs. That's a terrible thing...but would I call all Americans and all of the US "loony land" because of that fact?

Quit the CA-bashing and grow up. Before 2000, more EBRs were sold in the state of CA than any other. New Jersey, NY, and all of the eastern states do not have a fetish for EBRs that I find to be a distinctly Western state phenomenon...it probably has to do with our frontiersmen, self-reliance, liberal (read: more/less libertarian) bent that is more pronounced out west. Out east they find the guy looking over their shoulder for black helicopters as a deranged loon. Out west, that guy's just quirky. All's I'm saying is that judging an entire state by its gun laws is stupid. CA also voted against gays getting married and cutting off children of illegal aliens in public schools and enforcing english-only. CA, by its sheer size of population, is home to all poles of politics. And, as much as you hate to say it, the majority of Americans in general (Californian or not) would vote a ban on EBRs.

CA isn't more Democratic leaning than any other state. It simply has more Americans in it. If people quit coming here with their preconceived notions and/or a desire to change a state that isn't natively theirs, CA would be a much different place as far as laws.

Quit the CA bashing. Especaialyl from those of you from states with comparative high unemployment, terrible drug addiction numbers, crappy April weather where it's 85 one day and snowing the next, crappy pierced teens with terrible service at every restaurant, subpar colleges, little/nothing to do on any given day, horrible tastes in cars, and crappy chinese buffets on every corner. :) nuff said.

Young gun
April 8, 2007, 01:07 PM
plus in CA you can buy hard liquor in the grocery store. ;)

Okay that was a little tongue in cheek, but I am planning on moving back next fall. I loved it out there, and maybe I can do something to change some laws.

glockman19
April 8, 2007, 03:38 PM
That being said, it boggles my mind that Ruger didn't simply upgrade the Mini-14 with a slightly heavier barrel and improved trigger

Thsy did. That's why the new #580 serial numbered Mini-14's are more accurate. Heavier barrel & improved trigger. I've compared the two and seen it...check it out.

The-Fly
April 8, 2007, 03:46 PM
Apologies for the thread jack here.

I was born and raised in southern Kali. Left it 3.5 years ago, and don't miss it for a second. I got sick of the taxes, illegals, traffic, crime, smog, insane housing prices, etc.

Tack on the gun laws, massively overgrown government, and overcrowding, and it makes me not want to even visit to see old friends.

SoCalShooter
April 8, 2007, 04:20 PM
1. Centerfire weapon
2. Ability to accept a detacheable magazine
3. Pistol grip or thumbhole stock
4. Fun and useful

Yup that definetly meets the CALDOJ's list of OMG we have no idea what we are talking or legistlating.

Spiggy
April 8, 2007, 04:59 PM
psh, we dont need the 10 round detachable magazine

Everyone knows that PG/TH Stocks eliminate the need to reload! :neener:


CA isnt that bad, if it were, my parents wouldn't have stayed here for three and a half decades

rugmar
April 9, 2007, 07:15 PM
It is an absolutely butt ugly stock in my opinion. I saw my first one the other night at Gander Mt. This thing is huge, has a massive bull barrel and the sliding weight with registration marks. I'll bet it is definately a shooter and will probably hang with or even outshoot most AR's. But dang that stock is ugly.

Oh, and the price was 749.00.

slzy
April 9, 2007, 07:55 PM
i visited kali once in the 70's guess i looked more like the allmans or skynrd than airplane,they treated me like i was head of the kukluxklan snobbish mfs confusin dialect for intellect.

Pecos21
April 9, 2007, 10:27 PM
I'd buy one.

At $749, it is still almost cheaper than entry level plastic and aluminum ARs and probably shoots better. This is obviously meant to be a benchrest gun hence the wild stock...Benchrest shooters have been shooting guns like this for years. Whats wrong with shooting five round mags through a gun that was intended to be a ranch carbine and not a battle gun?

There are a lot of guys on this forum that get too emotional with the political game that gun makers play in order to survive. Do you give this much political thought to the gas companies before you fill up your tank? Maybe Shell is making some shady deals so I'll choose Exxon today?

I dont agree with what Bill Ruger said, but as long as he is making quality firearms in America, I will buy them. I will use them to introduce new people to the shooting sports. That is how I will support the second ammendment. Not by gossiping online.

Exposure
April 9, 2007, 11:11 PM
blackhawk2000 said-
Never thought I would say this, but good for California.

Can you explain further?

Jim March
April 10, 2007, 03:03 AM
Fact: Bill Ruger is dead.

Yeah, he said and did stupid things. What he tried to do politically didn't work, and hurt the company enough so you can bet they won't do anything that stupid again.

S&W is pretty much in the same boat, and just about morally equivelent.

Who else are you going to spend money on? Taurus? :scrutiny: Glock? Oh yeah, 'cuz Brazil and Austria are SUCH bastions of freedom...

Jeez.

Ruger's customer service rocks. Their gun quality has been spiking sharply upwards of late. My 2005-production New Vaquero was built *right* and tight, and shoots like it. People are now remarking that the latest-production large-frame SAs are starting to match the quality of the new series of mid-frame SA wheelguns like mine.

I need a rifle at some point. This thing has merit, with a standard synthetic stock of course. I could then take it back into Cali if I buried high-cap mags at the border :rolleyes:. The barrel vibe-controller isn't screwed on, so there's no "eeevil threaded barrel" problem...other than the stock, this is CA legal. It's a good bet a distributor will sell some in a special CA edition, or a Californian could buy one from an out-of-state dealer on gunsamerica or something and have them swap stocks prior to shipping.

silverlance
April 10, 2007, 03:04 AM
threaded barrels are ca legal on rifles. look at the kel tec su16 ca.

PinnedAndRecessed
April 10, 2007, 12:34 PM
Can anyone explain the pros of living in CA??? Besides beaches there's nothing good that is in the state. --(plus you can't own any "fun" guns)--

You don't know what you're talking about. Granted, I no longer live there, but I miss many things about California.

I lived in the central valley (Modesto). With a couple hours drive in any direction I could be at, the beach, the Sierra Nevadas where I loved to fish and camp, the Sequoias, Yosemite, Redwood forest, Lake Tahoe where my kids learned to ski.

The greatest food in the world is right there. The weather is spectacular.

Yes, the gun laws are the worst. But it's not the fault of Californians. If you look at one of those red/blue maps during elections, most of California is staunch conservative. Don't ask me how things come to be like they are, but apparantly the highest concentrations of voters are in liberal concentrations which totally destroys California's politics.

That's why, say, when a mountain lion ventures into Sonora (the Sierra foothills and a gorgeous town, BTW) and kills somebody, it'll come up for a vote to take mountain lions of the endangered list. But then the retards in LA, who have never even seen a mountain lion, will vote it down.

I feel fortunate for having been able to live there. Don't get me wrong. I now live in a pro 2nd amendment state and have a CCL and all, but Cal still has many appealing characteristics.

Hey, now that housing prices are dropping, who knows................

brotherzoo
April 16, 2007, 09:29 PM
I watched that interview with Ruger and despite the quotations, he did not put the word 'simple' in front of civilians. He's deceased anyway, so not buying the cheap, reliable guns they make won't hurt him one bit.

Have fun.

brotherzoo
April 16, 2007, 09:30 PM
PS - loving my Mini-14 Target. Paid 7 bills for it and it does shot moa all day. I think a lot of gun's 'accuracy issues' deal more with lack of operator practice.

Bondo_Red
April 16, 2007, 10:28 PM
The one advantage cali has over other states besides being run by the Governator,is that is the most popular place in america for airsoft.some people prefer airsoft to real firearms,since they are cheaper,have far less regulation,and you can use them in combat simulations.

mr..plow
April 17, 2007, 09:43 AM
He only did it with magazines, because a great number of firearms were threatened with being banned from civilian ownership. There's no telling what would've happened if he hadn't sent that letter. For all we know all our AR-15s and AK-47s and SKSs would've been banned outright.


Thats Not correct.. To this day even after the Ban Expired his company does not allow the sale of his Mini 14 magazines over 10 rds availlable to the public.LAw enforcment and Goverment only..

Screw Ruger, their guns, and anyone who is to blind to see its only about their own, not gun owners in general!

Whoever wrote "its ugly enough to be CA legal" is correct..:)

bhk
April 17, 2007, 09:54 AM
Two related points of interest:

1. Ruger now offers the new Target Model Ranch Rifle with a Hogue Overmold stock of traditional styling, so this option IS legal in California. I just saw (and handled) this option at the NRA show.

2. Ruger HAS made some upgrades to the regular Ranch Rifle. The new 580 .223 series DOES have a slightly heavier barrel (now uses the mini-30 barrel profile) and everything else has been retooled. I have had both an older mini and now a new 580, and the new ones ARE more accurate. They will never totally achieve AR accuracy, but some of us just don't care for the military look or the ergonomics of an AR (my situation, and I have experience with them). My new mini is the perfect truck/farm gun. My bolt-action .223 is my paper and my long-range varmint gun.

mr..plow
April 17, 2007, 10:03 AM
Jim March
Senior Member

Fact: Bill Ruger is dead.

Yeah, he said and did stupid things. What he tried to do politically didn't work, and hurt the company enough so you can bet they won't do anything that stupid again.


They still continue to do stupid things. They wont sell their 20rd mini 14 magazines to the public Le//govt use only I tired to buy some recently though sopme retailer are selling them online, they risk losing doing business with ruger..

Redlegvzv
August 10, 2012, 06:43 AM
what kind of dumba$$ cali lawmaker would call anything thing with a thumbhole an assualt weapon???????

The kind that we elect here, that's who.
This rifle would be illegal in California because of the thumbhole stock and the flash suppressor. Just from looking at it I don't see anything else that would be a problem. So a different stock, and removing the suppressor, would be all that would be needed for a California-legal version from what I can see. Heck, I'd buy it.

I love Mini 14s and own 3 of them. (Two are very new; one is an old 182-series from around 1981). They are good shooters, handy, and reliable.

meanmrmustard
August 10, 2012, 06:44 AM
Can anyone explain the pros of living in CA??? Besides beaches there's nothing good that is in the state. --(plus you can't own any "fun" guns)-- Just my 2. AZhunter☻
Other than some of the most prolific serial murderers of the 20th century...just crappy gun laws.

meanmrmustard
August 10, 2012, 06:54 AM
I'd buy one.

At $749, it is still almost cheaper than entry level plastic and aluminum ARs and probably shoots better. This is obviously meant to be a benchrest gun hence the wild stock...Benchrest shooters have been shooting guns like this for years. Whats wrong with shooting five round mags through a gun that was intended to be a ranch carbine and not a battle gun?

There are a lot of guys on this forum that get too emotional with the political game that gun makers play in order to survive. Do you give this much political thought to the gas companies before you fill up your tank? Maybe Shell is making some shady deals so I'll choose Exxon today?

I dont agree with what Bill Ruger said, but as long as he is making quality firearms in America, I will buy them. I will use them to introduce new people to the shooting sports. That is how I will support the second ammendment. Not by gossiping online.
False. At the prices of new Minis, you're into AR territory, and fine ones can be had for$750-800 that the Ruger is going for. You will not catch me spending $750 on a Mini when an SKS is cheaper and battle proven, AKs are more modular and own the gas piston realm, and ARs (minus CLd in my experience) trump anything a Mini has to offer other than the possibility of a nice walnut stock. Other than that, if someone had a Mini for under $500, I might buy depending on model. But other SA in its price range do the job better.

Show me where a Mini will not only outshoot a non-chrome lined AR in the same price range (RRA anyone, S&W, PSA!!!) but at its respective maximum effective range, and I'll eat my hat. Seriously.

gpjoe
August 10, 2012, 07:31 AM
False.

Well, that may be false today, but he posted that over 5 years ago, soooo.....

vaupet
August 10, 2012, 07:45 AM
now i know why americans are so afraid of zombies, they can resurrect out of nowhere any instant :D

The Man With No Name
August 10, 2012, 07:52 AM
Beaches, good looking women, sun, style, awesome scenery. Pretty much it. Oh and I travel abroad fairly frequently.. when people ask me where I'm from I say "California" instead of "the US" and they hate me less.

All things that can be found in North Carolina. Personally I would reply, "Republic of **********". People abroad might like you even more when they realize you live under a regime that oppresses people.

ApacheCoTodd
August 10, 2012, 10:23 AM
Looking for further markets for a venerable plinker - good for them even if it is as ugly as the south end of a north bound burro.

Now, mod it to take Mini and a fella's already existing cache of AR/M16 mags and I'm on board.

I'd love to throw some support Ruger's way for their current overt policy of correcting some of "Bill's" misguided policies.

chinchilla
August 10, 2012, 11:08 AM
They offer these with Hogue stocks that are non-thumbhole. These are accurate rifles, I had one and it was as accurate as many bolt guns, even took it prairie dog hunting.

NeuseRvrRat
August 10, 2012, 11:10 AM
hey guys, this thread is 5 years old and was bumped for no constructive reason

chinchilla
August 10, 2012, 11:11 AM
I'm afraid you are wrong about the high capacity magazines, can get them direct from my distributor.

chinchilla
August 10, 2012, 11:12 AM
Sounds like someone should mind their own business.

1KPerDay
August 10, 2012, 12:47 PM
Ron Paul is the only hope for America. The constitution is the only thing standing between us and the GOV... or more precisely was... RP 2012
Thank you for registering and bumping a 5 year old thread to post your political views in a gun forum.

ApacheCoTodd
August 10, 2012, 12:53 PM
Thank you for registering and bumping a 5 year old thread to post your political views in a gun forum.
Wow, I didn't catch that and feel the fool for supporting the weenie's tactic. Still, a target Mini.... Hmmm...

firesky101
August 10, 2012, 03:02 PM
hey guys, this thread is 5 years old and was bumped for no constructive reason
Yes but where else will people go when their other favorite California is good/ California is bad thread gets locked. Mod lock incoming in 3... 2... 1...

meanmrmustard
August 10, 2012, 09:55 PM
Well, that may be false today, but he posted that over 5 years ago, soooo.....
Not false to what Ruger said. I could care less, the guy is deceased. False to the assumption that Minis are cheaper than MOST ARs. Learn to read.

meanmrmustard
August 10, 2012, 09:56 PM
Yes but where else will people go when their other favorite California is good/ California is bad thread gets locked. Mod lock incoming in 3... 2... 1...
Still counting...

barnbwt
August 10, 2012, 10:41 PM
Who the heck joins just to make a single post bumping a 5 year old thread to make an irrelevant sales pitch for their candidate?

Dang Paul-bots...

TCB

Still counting...
yeah, me too...

Ignition Override
August 11, 2012, 04:17 AM
There still might be many people who refused to buy a Ruger Mini or any other gun built by Ruger. This was often reported at "Perfectunion", which has numerous Mini topics.

The reason is that the company sold no "normal capacity" (> 5rd.) factory magazines for the Mini 14 or 30 to the general, non-LEO public until the last few years.
Apparently many former Ruger fans switched to the SKS, AK clones, VZ-58, AR-15s etc.

meanmrmustard
August 11, 2012, 07:27 AM
There still might be many people who refused to buy a Ruger Mini or any other gun built by Ruger. This was often reported at "Perfectunion", which has numerous Mini topics.

The reason is that the company sold no "normal capacity" (> 5rd.) factory magazines for the Mini 14 or 30 to the general, non-LEO public until the last few years.
Apparently many former Ruger fans switched to the SKS, AK clones, VZ-58, AR-15s etc.
With the price of a new Mini, rightly so. Can't pee in my Cheerios AND ask for maximum coinage for a rifle that's bested by others in its stable at or under the price it's going for.

Robert
August 11, 2012, 07:51 AM
MOD lock coming because this is5 YEARS OLD. Does anyone bother to read the dates on threads anymore...:rolleyes:

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