What can't you do with a .308?


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Blakenzy
April 4, 2007, 07:03 PM
Just wondering, for use in the American Continents, for what activity exactly would you absolutely need another caliber for? Or put differently, what does the .308 suck at?

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The Deer Hunter
April 4, 2007, 07:14 PM
killing squirrels to eat.

well, unless you can pull off head shots. no pun intended.

Titan6
April 4, 2007, 07:41 PM
Rabbits, ducks, geese any small game animal or bird you want to eat or keep a pelt from. I heard they are marginal for Kodiak Griz but don't really know since I never hunted one.

If you are trying to round out a hunting arsenal that will be good for just about everything get a 12 ga smooth bore and a .22.

USSR
April 4, 2007, 08:13 PM
Good all-around cartridge. Adequate for much, excels at little.

Don

LarryS.
April 4, 2007, 08:20 PM
In certain circles, IIRC, it is regarded as less than optimum for angular penetration of auto glass........

Hoppy590
April 4, 2007, 08:28 PM
i wouldnt want to try using .308 against a bull moose or alaskan grizzly.

can .308 take it? yes. would i want to be armed with a 308 when i find the "man killer" bear or a charging bull moose? NO. kinda a situation where id want the literal Over kill

azredhawk44
April 4, 2007, 08:29 PM
Just wondering, for use in the American Continents, for what activity exactly would you absolutely need another caliber for? Or put differently, what does the .308 suck at?

I was just playing with this idea, since I got drawn for elk in a very wide open grassy area of Arizona. My best hunting rifle is a .308.

I figured out that at around 250 yards, the 165gr .308 has as much velocity as a 170gr 30-30 at the muzzle. I would gladly take a shot at an elk at 100-150 yards with a 30-30, so my effective kill range with my .308 (granted I can acccurately account for wind drift and bullet drop) on an elk is nearly 400 yards.

If you need to shoot a 3500fps laser-gun to hunt with and absolutely have to have that 300 Remington Ultra Mag to make that 300 yard shot because you were a bad math student, then the .308 won't do what you need.

If you need to push anything heavier than 180gr bullets, the .308 won't do what you need.

If you need to shoot to drop immediately, to crush thick bone in a manner best served by 45-70 or 12guage magnum slugs, the .308 won't do what you need.

Other than that, it is a good all round cartridge. It doesn't leave much left of a body-shot rabbit.:o Guess I'll use my .22 for that from now on.

Jorg Nysgerrig
April 4, 2007, 08:30 PM
Inexpensive plinking.

Titan6
April 4, 2007, 09:55 PM
Gollee Jorg isn't that the truth. No more decent quality cheap .308 ammo to be had anywhere and believe me I have looked everywhere. Even the places that advertise it can not deliver. I have been lucky a couple of times and scored a few cans here and there but it is just not to be found...

MD_Willington
April 4, 2007, 10:01 PM
Take down a 747..

just ask the terrorists and the gun grabbers... only a .50 can do that :rolleyes:

absolute0
April 4, 2007, 10:02 PM
.308 is a nice round but...here it comes:

30-06 is far superior if you're looking for a versatile round (ie "what's a 30-06 not good for?") due to the ability to through heavier bullets down range and slightly greater case volume.

This is coming from a guy with a couple .308's and only one 30-06.

my $.02

RockyMtnTactical
April 4, 2007, 10:02 PM
I can't shoot it out of my AR15's... :(

Uenoparker
April 4, 2007, 10:03 PM
If you're a Jeff Cooper fan, you already know that he was a big fan of any caliber that started with a '3' for a rifle. His Scout concept was focused on .308 as well.

hksw
April 4, 2007, 10:09 PM
.308 WIN is not very good at shooting in rimfire competitions. You can't win when they kick you out after the first shot.

R.W.Dale
April 4, 2007, 10:10 PM
Or put differently, what does the .308 suck at?


Pretending to be a short 30-06:evil:

Old Time Hunter
April 4, 2007, 10:12 PM
Load 'em in .45-70 cases....they just fall to the bottom.

4fingermick
April 4, 2007, 10:12 PM
Pretty much anything in the states and here, albiet with premium quality bullets for quartering shots on big animals. Barnes triple shock or Woodleighs, I used to use 165Gn Woodleighs. I now use a 300WM, mainly because my friend finally wore me down by throwing money at me for my 1959 vintage 308W Model 70. Now that I have a crappy Remington700 with a mint bore and a Ruger Mk2 in standard trim, I might get some peace:D . The one that shoots the most accurately will stay as a 300WM, the other will be sold or converted to a 338WM. I kinda prefer the feel of the Ruger though.

Back to the 308, I might hesitate to carry one where I'm likely to get harrassed by a bair though! I can't imagine grinnning one down like Davy.

MachIVshooter
April 4, 2007, 10:36 PM
What can't you do with a .308?

As of late, feed it.

wayne in boca
April 5, 2007, 07:16 AM
And you can't roller skate in a buffalo herd with it .Or wear it as a hat.

Hoppy590
April 5, 2007, 08:40 AM
oh man, that one takes the cake.

BobTheTomato
April 5, 2007, 11:00 AM
Shoot down a jet liner at 30,000 feet. You need a .50 cal for that. Duh :rolleyes:

Fat_46
April 5, 2007, 11:07 AM
Or put differently, what does the .308 suck at?

IWB carry...:neener:

Mr White
April 5, 2007, 12:06 PM
Its certainly not the optimum round for shooting fish in a barrel... makes too big of a splash. .223 works much better for that, unles they're REALLY BIG fish.

Sniper X
April 5, 2007, 12:22 PM
What can't you do with a .308?

Answer to posted question: Stop a charging Rhino dead in his tracks....

DogBonz
April 5, 2007, 12:41 PM
Skeet or trap:p

Seriously though, it is a mudium large game cartrige. It is great for deer, black bear, people, and anything in that weight range.

As others have said, I would not want to use it for Brownies, moose, or Africian big game. Thoes big doubles exit for a reason.

General Geoff
April 5, 2007, 12:51 PM
can .308 take it? yes. would i want to be armed with a 308 when i find the "man killer" bear or a charging bull moose? NO. kinda a situation where id want the literal Over kill

Answer to posted question: Stop a charging Rhino dead in his tracks....

I beg to differ; there's only one real way to stop a charging rhino (or any other large, dangerous game, for that matter), and that's to either destroy the brain, or sever the brain from the central nervous system. It's a tricky shot no matter what, but just about any centerfire rifle should be able to do it with correct shot placement.

Would a .375H&H be better? Sure, but .308 will get 'er done.

steve635
April 5, 2007, 01:12 PM
Stop a charging Rhino dead in his tracks....

I think the proper weapon for this is a Spartan spear........at least it worked in 300....and that was like a giant armored rhino thing :rolleyes: .

whited
April 5, 2007, 03:01 PM
The comparison to larger calibers and magnum rounds is not valid.

You wouldn't hunt deer with a 22LR, and you wouldn't hunt kodiak bears
with a .308. Its the same thing. Let's move on.

Sniper X
April 5, 2007, 04:11 PM
Not that I don;t consider myself a marksman, but General, I'll let YOU take the shot on a charging Rhino with a .308, I'll borrow a .577 Kynoch express for something like that!

nobody_special
April 5, 2007, 04:22 PM
I'll take on a charging rhino with my .308 -- it's an M1A Scout. But... (1) I get to use a 20-round mag with my choice of ammo, and (2) I want at least 100 yards starting distance -- preferably more.

Oh, and (3) -- you stand by me to witness the event. (And remember... I don't have to outrun the rhino, I just have to outrun you!) :eek: :p

Now, what ammo would I use for that situation? I'm not sure... mix of FMJ, ballistic-tip (TAP 165 gr. maybe?), and incendiary? :evil:

.308 is plenty for me. :D

Spiggy
April 5, 2007, 04:24 PM
but that spear's tons bigger than 50cal

boerseun
April 5, 2007, 04:38 PM
Poachers have hunted elephant with as little as an AK47 - and it is a hell of a lot more difficult to sneak up on an elephant than a rhino.

if 10 rounds of .308 can't stop a rhino, you are dealing with some really crap ammo or a REALLY strange rhino

EricTheBarbarian
April 5, 2007, 05:44 PM
.308 wont work in any gun i own:eek:

Poachers have hunted elephant with as little as an AK47 - and it is a hell of a lot more difficult to sneak up on an elephant than a rhino.

all of the rhinos and elephants ive seen in the zoo are easy to sneak up on. they just lay around and do nothing all day.

jay43
April 5, 2007, 11:27 PM
308 stink pricewise

CZ223
April 6, 2007, 12:27 AM
Make 22 caliber holes in paper.:evil:

aspade
April 6, 2007, 04:00 AM
If you need to shoot a 3500fps laser-gun to hunt with and absolutely have to have that 300 Remington Ultra Mag to make that 300 yard shot because you were a bad math student, then the .308 won't do what you need.

The difficult part of longer range shooting isn't drop, it's reading the wind. At reasonable medium game hunting ranges, drop isn't a factor with .308, period.

But that 300 yard shot will be off by 8" in just a gentle breeze you didn't correct for - or the margin of error of what you read the stronger wind as. A faster, higher BC cartridge will take a third off that error. A really fast, higher BC cartridge will cut it in half.

You can still do it with a .308, but when something else that's there for the buying will do it literally twice as well why handicap yourself?

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