FNP 40 Cal Review


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BBsteel
April 5, 2007, 11:42 AM
Thought I would post my review for those of you considering purchasing or have one of these FNPs. Hope to generate some discussion. I would like to get some other review from people who shot the gun. I wrote this up about a month ago. I also removed the store name in case this site has a policy of NO advertisments.

Review

(Store) has the FNP pistols on sale right now for $390 (regular $479). They are made by FNH which I believe also makes browning or the other way around.

From a shooting Stand point:
Right out of the box it shot great. Consistent 1-2" groups at 15 feet (great for me that is). I put 300 rounds through it and not one single jam. Even after unloading a 14 round clip as fast as I could.

From an engineering/mechanical stand point:
I was reluctant to buy it until told I could return it upon poor performance for when dry firing it, the gun sounded like a cheap cap gun I had when I was a kid. The spring was very "tingy".

At the range once loaded, the loaded chamber indicator didn't even work. It maybe stuck out a "c" hair but nothing you could feel with a finger or even see the visible red line indicating it being loaded. After firing my 300 rounds through it I brought it home for a cleaning. Upon disassembling, I noticed some gouging on the under side of the slide from the slide hitting the slide release lever during shooting. This marking was happening right below the "P" (FNP - 40) on the side of the slide. After putting it back together it was clearly noticeable when looking at it from a side view. I immediately went to the net and tried searching for reviews. None, of the 4 I found, mentioned my problem or any problem. However, I did find 2 for sale on line and one person indicated "a slight ding in the metal under the P" and the other just had pictures of the gun with a larger ding in the metal under the 'P' than I had. Looks like a shared problem with the gun. Further examing it I noticed I could push the slide down on the gun and into the release but manually. Not the greatest tolerances built into them (at least mine that was).

Just took the gun back to (store) today and gave all the guys my honest review. This was the first negative they had but then again the gun is new. The guys working there are young college guys who are interested due to the low cost (I can relate, been there before). They all got to look at it and some might still buy one. I wish I would have taken pictures of the marking before I brought it back.

Just a little FYI for those who care.

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eggie
April 5, 2007, 05:37 PM
hi, i have the same problem with my fnp40, i shipped it back for repairs, when i got it back they said they replaced the slide, the slide was new, but when they test fired it i can see were the problem is starting over again, its wearing under the p in fnp40, i am going to sell it.

BBsteel
April 6, 2007, 09:46 AM
Thanks for posting your experience. This is a major engineering issue at FNH with their handgun line. I hope they get this solved soon.

Owen
April 6, 2007, 10:49 AM
so, to get this straight, you are concerend about the slide stop impacting the slide and making a small dent?

Do you have a photo?

eggie
April 6, 2007, 03:26 PM
in my case its taking metal, only after 180rds.

George Hill
April 6, 2007, 05:42 PM
My 9mm version is functionally flawless.

glove
April 6, 2007, 06:26 PM
Hello
I wonder if the Browning Pro-40 is experiencing the same problem. Is it true that both pistols come out of the same plant?
Dave Z

Frosco
April 6, 2007, 08:09 PM
"My 9mm version is functionally flawless"


Same here.

BBsteel
April 6, 2007, 09:37 PM
Some will be flawless and some won't. It's basic por engineering tolerance stack ups that is causing it along with a loose slide release lever. Next time any of you are at a shop and can pick a FNP up do this;

Grab the gun on the bottom side (polyner) and press the slide down on the polymer side (bottom) with your oposite hand. The slop is unbelieveable!!!

I wish I would have taken pictures of the damage before I sent it in. I know there are some guys out there who have them and swear by them. Guess what, I believe you guys. I just see a machining tolerance stack up issue that FNH should address. Probably doesn't happen to all.

This was not just a few flakes coming off....it was quite a ding and would have progessively worsened with more rounds sent through.


Next time you're at the range ask to see the rental FNP. Chances are you will see what I mean. "You get what you pay for".

Owen
April 6, 2007, 10:45 PM
Are you talking about the takedown lever, or the slide stop?

BBsteel
April 7, 2007, 03:23 AM
Take down lever.

NRAninja
April 7, 2007, 03:53 AM
Damn. I just got back from shooting on my buddy's land and have the same dent in there after 200 rounds :banghead:

BBsteel, let us know when you get it back and if your replacement does the same thing.

glove
April 7, 2007, 11:04 AM
Can anyone post pictures of the dent?

BBsteel
April 8, 2007, 04:27 AM
Again, I neglected to take pics so hopefully someone else has.

I took the gun back to Cabela's where I bought it from. They refunded me the gun with no problems and I will NOT be getting a replacement or another FNP.....ever.

spooney
April 8, 2007, 01:44 PM
I just traded into a FNP-40 and mine does have the dent. It is located at the bottom of the slide directly below the "P" engraved on the slide. I don't know if I want to try and get warranty service on it or just see what happens though. The pistol functions fine and is plenty accurate.

FNH
April 8, 2007, 07:48 PM
Here are some pictures.
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1457/giantjames002uu5.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantjames002uu5.jpg)
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8751/giantjames001oi5.th.jpg (http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=giantjames001oi5.jpg)
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/7826/fnp91bj6.th.jpg (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fnp91bj6.jpg)
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8043/fnp40wb1.th.jpg (http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=fnp40wb1.jpg)
:rolleyes:

BBsteel
April 8, 2007, 10:29 PM
Yep, those pics look all too familiar. Mine was about 1.5 - 2 times that size. I should also note that my gun was a bi-tone too if I haven't yet. Makes you wonder just where that extra metal is going?!

HeXeD775
April 9, 2007, 10:48 PM
I have on on layaway at Cabelas now. I just couldn't pass up the price. Keep us posted please. I don't want to invest into something that has a problem already. Has anyone contacted FNH about this yet??? I mean, what happens after 1000, 2000 rounds etc. Could this warrant a recall of the guns & possibly re-engineering/replacing the takedown lever??

FNH
April 10, 2007, 08:24 PM
I have on on layaway at Cabelas now. I just couldn't pass up the price. Keep us posted please. I don't want to invest into something that has a problem already. Has anyone contacted FNH about this yet??? I mean, what happens after 1000, 2000 rounds etc. Could this warrant a recall of the guns & possibly re-engineering/replacing the takedown lever??

There is a lot of information on the FNP here http://www.fivesevenforum.com, which is where I also got the pictures. There is also an excellent review on the FNP-9 by Stephen Camp, who is a Moderator here, located here http://www.hipowersandhandguns.com/taking_a_look_at_the_fnp9_pistol.htm. It seems the problem isn't the FNP in particular, but rather the high recoil impulse that is inherent of the 40S&W. Other handguns chambered in this cartridge that are similarly constructed with a takedown lever can also have the same problem. Members have reported that during the first hundred rounds or so, there is some wear, but during subsequent firings the wear does not increase. The issue is simply cosmetic and does not affection function. This only occurs in the FNP-40. I have put about 4,000 rounds through my FNP-9 without any of this wear, and there are several members with higher round counts than that with no problems to report. All firearms will show signs of wear when you fire them, this should not concern most people.

Additionally, I have not heard of nor experienced any of the other problems the OP talks about. My loaded chamber indicator works flawlessly. My FNP does not exhibit "basic por engineering tolerance" in the least; there is no slop in my personal FNP nor is there in the several that I have handled at gun shops. Keep in mind that this is a $400 pistol designed for police and military work, not a $3000 custom gun. The FNP-9/9m has also undergone extensive reliability testing by the Belgian police and is now their issued sidearm.

If you are concerned about buying one, then by all means purchase something else. :)

12many
April 10, 2007, 08:35 PM
Great Info FNH, BUT, the real question is when is the .45 going to be released ??? :) :)

BBsteel
April 10, 2007, 10:14 PM
I'm finished on this topic and apologize if I offended anyone or came down too hard on the FNP.

Frosco
April 11, 2007, 01:45 AM
"Right out of the box it shot great. Consistent 1-2" groups at 15 feet (great for me that is). I put 300 rounds through it and not one single jam."

Sounds like terrible "slop" to me. Mine does the same thing except for it has 1200 rounds through it instead without any problems. I guess I better sell my fnp-9 and find something with better tolerances. :D

SouthpawShootr
April 11, 2007, 10:36 PM
Maybe they should come up with some sort of a takedown lever lock like the Beretta 92 series has. It looks like there is slight movement of the takedown lever during recoil, just enough to cause a small impact point on the slight but not enough to affect reliability. I was thinking of getting one of these (in 9mm). Still on the fence about it.

wwsnyder
April 12, 2007, 09:10 PM
I really like the grip and feel of a Pro-40 I handled. I would probably want the FNP-40 though.

What do the owners think of the decocking levers? They almost seem like they protrude too much.

Has anyone tried rounding off the pointed corner of the takedown lever to prevent the slide gouging? Do some 40s not seem to have the problem?

Wordsmith
April 13, 2007, 12:05 AM
This is the first I've heard of the "ding" problem on the FNP slide. I had an FNP-9 that I sold to my brother-in-law after a few hundred rounds (mistake, wish I hadn't), but I still get to shoot it (and clean it) pretty often. It has eaten thousands of rounds now and I've never noticed the pitting in the pictures above. Odds are it isn't there. I notice (and freak out) when my guns get holster wear. :rolleyes:

If this is something that is happening on some FNPs but not others, then FN definitely needs to tighten their quality control. It almost makes me wonder if there is a difference in hardness between some FNP slides?

6thsense
July 30, 2007, 12:41 AM
I recently bought a FNP-40 and it jammed on me Day One, round two. Fired the chambered round and the 2nd round jammed while feeding into the chamber. Clearing the malfunction gave same results, chambered round fired, weapon jammed feeding next round. Even had a stovepipe or two on occasion. Buddy of mine (ex-SF combat marksman type) discovered that it is a magazine problem; too much spring tension. Weapon works fine with about 5 rounds in the clip. More than that causes malfunction. Anyone out there had similar issues?

jayrod1980
July 30, 2007, 02:10 AM
Don't know if it's still going on but Tanner's was unloading slower selling dealer packs that came with the PS90's and FiveseveNs on gun broker and part of that were some black FNP's, both in 9 and 40. I picked up a 40 for $330 bucks total including the FFL transfer a couple years ago. It was an absolute steal. Compared to my first gun, the FN FiveseveN, it was crude in detail and looked alot cheaper. This makes sense though, considering I paid around $900 total for my FiveseveN. I took the gun apart and cleaned it and actually had never fired a SA/DA up to that point.

With the new mags it was hard getting the last round into the mag well with the tight springs. It got better with time but I was impressed with the over all function of the gun. I've had 2 stovepipes the entire time I've had the gun, and it has had well over 1000 rounds through it since I got it. It feeds anything you put through it. Recoil is punchy, typical of the 40 S&W caliber. It's not a pretty gun but functions great and is pretty accurate. I admit though it is very hard to shoot accurately from double action, and the trigger has to almost completely touch the back of the trigger guard before it will fire that way. Single action is great, and with the SA/DA functionality, I feel comfortable and ready to fire at any time without fear of shooting myself in a quick draw.

The gun tends to stay pretty clean and I've fired of 500 rounds in a day without it being too much of a pain to clean. I love that you need no take down tools or anything to field strip the gun. I've never noticed this wear you guys speak of but perhaps I'm not really paying attention. The gun to me has just gotten better with time. I couldn't be happier with the weapon for only costing $330 dollars. Great value!

Shipwreck
July 30, 2007, 08:57 AM
The FNPs are great guns. $330! Wow, what a price!

HeXeD775
July 31, 2007, 08:26 AM
I LOVE MY P.40. I was comparing it to the SW Sigma before I maded my purchase. the FN was just comfortable, the true selling point was the price 7 the sights are dovetailed onto the slide...not pressed in like on the sigma. My brother's Glock 19 has a pressed front sight that keeps flying out when he fires a few rounds...dovetailed is waaay more secure IMHO. I dont need that happening to me when it counts.

dumbgunner
February 28, 2012, 03:53 PM
I bought one a few months ago. Finally took it to the range. They say that the person has to like the gun that they buy. Well I liked it alot. It was love what can I say. Perhaps Im lost by this. But folks also say that the gun you buy has to shoot. If it doesnt its not worth anything to anyone.

SO I liked it alot. Bought it. Took it to the range. Shot a couple of boxes of ammo. It worked.

I loaded the mags. Put the mags in the gun. Pointed at target. Squeezed, pulled, and sometimes jerked the trigger. Hands shook. Anticipated rounds going off. The whole nine yards of freshman shooting 101.

Holes appeared on the piece of paper about 20-30 ft away. Gun never stopped working. Bullets went boom. Holes appeared on paper. Always.

Im just saying that It worked. Never failed.

I failed many times by not following good shooting techniques(Always safe though) but the gun worked.

I did notice that little nic on the thing called the slide. Thought might have been catching on the slide thing release/catch thing.

It shoots a big bullet. It goes bang everytime. I can hit something 7 out of 10 times with it.

$400 bucks! Just saying.

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