Webley find


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jlundy46
April 5, 2007, 09:39 PM
I have been looking for a Webley for some time and haven't found anything on the web for under about $400. Today on a whim I stopped by a local shop that I hadn't been in for some time. I asked if they ever got Webleys in and the chap says, "Yes, and we have one". Sure enough, a nice MK IV in .38 S&W and they wanted $225 for it. I bought it on the spot. Here are a couple of pics. I have wanted a Webley since I first saw ZULU! I have some ammo on order and can't wait to see how it shoots:D

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n264/jlundy46/Dsc06741small.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n264/jlundy46/Dsc06742small.jpg

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Will5A1
April 5, 2007, 09:54 PM
Nice - let us know how it shoots.

MikeJackmin
April 5, 2007, 10:58 PM
Looks very nice. Vintage holsters are still pretty affordable on the web.

Here's one: http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=7945311

Does it say 'war finish' on it? Any import marks?

jlundy46
April 5, 2007, 11:18 PM
Yes, it does have "War Finish" on it, but no import marks on the bottom of the barrel. Is there anyplace you can find out what year a Webley was made by its serial or patent number?

Thanks,
John

Lone Star
April 6, 2007, 01:21 AM
Ask in the British Gun Pub section at www.gunbroker.com

A Canadian guy there answers questions like this better than anyone I know.

Lone Star

4v50 Gary
April 6, 2007, 01:31 AM
Good find. I've a couple of .455 Webleys (MK IV and a MK II) and even a production made .22, but not a .38 cal Webley. Have to think about it.

jlundy46
April 6, 2007, 10:46 AM
Thanks Lone Star. Just registered on British Gun Pub.

John

BigG
April 6, 2007, 10:52 AM
I love Zulu, and of course the Webley. Now you need a Webley-Fosbery automatic revolver like they had in The Maltese Falcon.

Cosmoline
April 6, 2007, 03:02 PM
Is that one OK to shoot .38-200's out of? I've always wondered how those perform.

EddieCoyle
April 6, 2007, 03:08 PM
Is that one OK to shoot .38-200's out of? I've always wondered how those perform.

In the right light, you can actually watch them go downrange.

Dionysusigma
April 6, 2007, 03:49 PM
You do realize, of course, the legal hassle you're getting into. :uhoh:

According to Federal law, upon acquisition of a Webley, Webley-Fosbury, or Enfield revolver, you're required to posess two or more of the following:

A handlebar mustache of no less than 3"
A convincing Yorkshire accent
Monocle or pince-nez (may be darkened)
Gourd/meerschaum calabash pipe
The ability to quote Moby Dick at will
A preference for martinis (drink and/or rifle)




:D

Vern Humphrey
April 6, 2007, 03:56 PM
In the right light, you can actually watch them go downrange
If you're light on your feet, you can run along beside them, and tap them over a bit to get a tighter group.:p

Lone Star
April 6, 2007, 06:27 PM
It is probably true that one can see the bullets in flight. The famous gun writer Elmer Keith mentioned that about .455 bullets.

I know that .38/200 bullets won't pierce a greatcoat of British issue. A Rhodesian cop I knew tried it! No full penetration. That was with the jacketed bullets, I believe. The faster lead .38 S&W American load might get through.

I read an account of the battle at El Alamein. A British officer shot an Italian in the back with a .38 and the poor man lingered for hours, begging for a doctor. Before one came, he had bled to death.

By contrast, a man I know has shot nine men with 9mm pistols, and they all went down and died promptly. One lasted maybe a minute. This was in Iraq, and it looks as if he may have to go back. I hope not.

That said, I'm sure that men have been killed promptly with the .38/200. The original lead load had less friction in the barrel, and probably worked better than the jacketed bullets. The bottom line is, the .38 was adopted because draftees had too much fear of recoil, and there was little time to train them. The .455 did work better, but it took experience to use it well.

When he was deposed as head of the Admiralty following the disaster at Gallipoli in WW I, Churchill went to France as an Army officer. He chose a Colt M-1911 .45 acp! He had already had experience of pistols in battle, so that tells me something.

Lone Star

Lone Star
April 6, 2007, 06:58 PM
While I'm thinking of it...two good Webley movies other than, "Zulu" are "Drums" and "Flame Over India". Amazon.com may have them, or check movie rental houses where they have a classic films section.

The first actually shows Enfield .38's and the Pattern 1937 web gear, although it was made about 1937 or 1938. The gear must have been in use soon after adoption! However, the officer who was kidnapped by the Muslim leader escaped and killed his foe with a four-inch barrelled .455 Webley. His wife had a Colt .32 auto in that film.

In the other movie, star Kenneth More (Lauren Bacall was the female lead) had two Webleys, I think. One had a four-inch bbl. and one a six-inch. They changed with the scenes where he had one out of the holster. Prop house probably sent two guns, and he alternated.

Finally, if you watched the discontinued TV show, "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World", in later seasons, Lord John Roxton, played by Will Snow, had a pair of white-handled MK. VI Webley .455's in a shoulder rig. They were nickled. I'll try to attach a fan video showing the guns toward the end of the video. Look for the scene where his love, Marguerite, is rising from her knees and gives his guns a seductive look. If I can, I'll note the count number in the video where that scene occurs. But the whole video is sensual, and well worth watching. This show has some die-hard fans, who operate at least three boards devoted to the show, like "Star Trek" fans have been so zealous about THEIR show. Roxton also carried a Colt M-1911 at times, and varied his pistols. Even in the Third Season, he sometimes used the .45 auto that he had in Season One.

Will Snow is now the voiceover for Outback Steakhouse commercials. He is Australian, like almost all the actors in that series.

Oh: That show also showed Webley Mk. IV .38's! And in one episide, where the Druid priests seized Marguerite, she had a Mk. III .38 instead of her usual hammerless revolver. It took a good eye to spot it, but it stood out to me!

Alas, the show isn't playing any longer in North America, but DVD's are available for all three seasons. For more info, try the Official New Line Cinema board for the show, which is still active: www.lostworldtv.net and click on Message Board when the main display comes up. I think amazon .com, among others, has the DVD's. That was a great show, and I wish they had been able to continue with a Fourth Season. It not only showcased Webleys well, it was just plain a good show, with enormous chemistry among the main actors. If I can post that video link, look at how Marguerite and John interact...and watch for that scene where she gives his Webleys the erotic eye! :)

Video link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krlQKJyLkbA The scene where she rises and looks at his guns is 04:09 on the counter. You can see his double shoulder holster rig at point 02:07. The music is Madonna's, "Justify My Love", which certainly fits the pace! The video is the work of a very talented Dutch girl using the board name of Angelic Annika.

Lone Star

Cosmoline
April 6, 2007, 07:04 PM
The bottom line is, the .38 was adopted because draftees had too much fear of recoil, and there was little time to train them. The .455 did work better, but it took experience to use it well.

I also wonder how much material shortages and expense played a role in that. All the lead in the big .455's had to cost money, and if you could tell some accountant at the ministry of defense that going to .38's would cut the amount in half they'd likely listen.

BigG
April 6, 2007, 08:32 PM
Lone Star: I can't guarantee, because it's quite a few years since I've seen them, but there is a good chance that Gunga Din (http://www.epinions.com/mvie-review-5C51-1459172C-39CE2556-prod3) and Lives of a Bengal Lancer (http://www.epinions.com/content_19784961668) contain Webley footage. Those are two great old B/W Hollywood movies about Injah.

Lone Star
April 6, 2007, 09:41 PM
BigG-

It's been awhile since I saw, "Gunga Din", but I think I recall Colt New Service revolvers in lieu of Webleys? Good movie, though!

Oh: my first handgun, at age 13, was a Webley MK. VI. My mother had to sign the paperwork, of course.

Lone Star

cane
April 7, 2007, 11:27 AM
Here are 3 of mine.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y218/90north/3Webleys.jpg

Checkman
March 24, 2008, 11:02 PM
Another excellent mini-series that features the Webley is Reilly. Ace of Spies starring Sam Neill. It's an old BBC series from 1983. Based loosely on the actual British agent's exploits. The Webley Mk VI is used in many of the 12 episodes. I imagine because the story covers approximately 20+ years (1901-1923?) and it was easy to get hold of Mk VI's rather then other period correct marks.

finally it appears that in this summer's new Indiana Jones movie there is frequent use of a Webley revolver with the 6" barrel and the Bird head grip. Unknown if it's a Webley-Green 'WG', or the Mk IV or Mk V. Both of those earlier marks could be purchased with 6" barrels. Anyway the Webley is definitelya nifty revolver.

I don't intend to let mine go. It's one of the Mk Vi's that has been converted to 45acp. It might not be a 455, but it will do for me.

Gator
March 24, 2008, 11:08 PM
A handlebar mustache of no less than 3"
A convincing Yorkshire accent
Monocle or pince-nez (may be darkened)
Gourd/meerschaum calabash pipe
The ability to quote Moby Dick at will
A preference for martinis (drink and/or rifle)


Hmmm.....I have a Webley and meet 3 1/2 (a bit weak on Melville) of your criteria. :rolleyes:

Checkman
March 24, 2008, 11:41 PM
Dionysusigma You do realize, of course, the legal hassle you're getting into.

According to Federal law, upon acquisition of a Webley, Webley-Fosbury, or Enfield revolver, you're required to posess two or more of the following:

A handlebar mustache of no less than 3"
A convincing Yorkshire accent
Monocle or pince-nez (may be darkened)
Gourd/meerschaum calabash pipe
The ability to quote Moby Dick at will
A preference for martinis (drink and/or rifle)

How about if one affects a very proper upper crust Oxford accent, smokes Dunhill cigarettes and drinks B&S (brandy and soda - watch Khartoum with Chuck Heston)?

That's great by the way. Very funny.

unspellable
March 25, 2008, 09:24 AM
I'd always heard that the switch to the 38 was simply to reduce the bulk when carrying in the holster. As one who has done a lot of shooting with the 455 cartridge in both Webleys and a S&W, I never thought recoil was any problem. I would rate my own sensitivity to recoil as about average.

Dionysusigma
March 25, 2008, 09:41 AM
How about if one affects a very proper upper crust Oxford accent, smokes Dunhill cigarettes and drinks B&S (brandy and soda - watch Khartoum with Chuck Heston)?

Rule 2,134 Exception B comes into play if, and only if, the individual in question has actually seen with their own eyes a Holland and Holland double rifle; or, eaten a dinner consisting of naught more than steak and kidney pie, Marmite sandwiches, and tea with milk and lemon.

And liked it.

:evil:

Robert Hairless
March 25, 2008, 10:11 AM
If you're light on your feet, you can run along beside them, and tap them over a bit to get a tighter group.

I have a good friend who is light on his feet. I'll ask him if that works.

Trebor
March 25, 2008, 12:43 PM
finally it appears that in this summer's new Indiana Jones movie there is frequent use of a Webley revolver with the 6" barrel and the Bird head grip. Unknown if it's a Webley-Green 'WG', or the Mk IV or Mk V.

It's a WG and it's the same gun he used in Last Crusade.

Go to www.indygear.com for all the info you ever wanted on Indy's guns, gear, hat and jacket.

Checkman
March 25, 2008, 01:04 PM
I want a WG and a Webley-Fosbery. For that matter I would also like a Holland & Holland double rifle in either .375 H&H or 470 NE. Actually can I just wish for thirty million dollars? :rolleyes:

I really do want a WG though.

Jeff F
March 25, 2008, 11:33 PM
I've been wanting to get a Webley to go along with my Enfields for a time now. The Big Reno Show is this weekend, I think I will go and try and find one. What were they using in WWI and WWII.

Checkman
March 30, 2008, 11:04 PM
Well here is my Mk VI. I like it.

Eightball
March 30, 2008, 11:11 PM
I thought this thread looked familiar--I saw it last year about this time. :rolleyes:

eh, well, Weblys are still spiffy.

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