1911 - Kimber, Para, or Springer


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BBsteel
April 6, 2007, 09:50 AM
Can't decide between the 3. I believe the colts are a little more than I would like to spend. Currently, I'm leading towards the Kimber Stainless Custom. Any thoughts on that gun??

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doubleg
April 6, 2007, 09:59 AM
The Stainless Custom is a great pistol. I have the Custom II and love it.

surjimmy
April 6, 2007, 12:56 PM
I know i'm going to get yelled at for this. I'm not a Kimber fan, I would go with a Springfield TRP. With that said my buddy just bought a Kimber Raptor and can drive tacks with it. He said he's never shoot so good, and thats right out of the box.

glockman19
April 6, 2007, 01:37 PM
You can't go wrong with a Kimber I have a Raptor II and will DROS tomorrow a Custom II. I can't wait to get another It'll probably be a custom carry II w/ night sights. I think for the money and performance Kimber is the best thing out there. I also like Colt's & Springfields. In order of in 1911's I'd go with

Kimber
Colt
Springfield
Ed Brown
Les Baer

I only put the Ed Brown and Les Baer below the others because on a cost to performance ratio they are realy expensive. I'd almost rather have 2-3 Kimbers Colt's or Springfields than one of the others.

orionengnr
April 6, 2007, 01:47 PM
Well, I just sold a Colt Defender.
Sold the Para C6 about 6 months ago.

Nothing wrong with either one, but I like my Kimber Stainless Ultra Carry II.

So you know how I voted. :)

kentucky_smith
April 6, 2007, 02:16 PM
Kimber, Para then Springfield in that order.

Zoomer
April 6, 2007, 02:27 PM
Kimber Stainless Gold Match II w/1800 rounds downrange. Get the Kimber you wont regret it.

Ala Dan
April 6, 2007, 02:59 PM
I sell a lot of the Kimber Custom II's, but most of the ones I sell are the
regular matte finished guns. Stainless Custom II's generally run about
$100 higher in our shop; so the blued weapons are probably a little
more attractive to bargin hunters~! :scrutiny: :) ;)

Black Majik
April 6, 2007, 03:21 PM
As many reports of horror stories that were reported with Kimber EE SII pistols, I still think they're one of the best production 1911 makers on the market. Since they went back to internal extractor 1911s, I'm sure those guns run well now.

For myself, I'd rate them Kimber > Springfield Armory > Para Ordnance.

schmeky
April 6, 2007, 04:19 PM
Kimber

Richard
April 6, 2007, 05:04 PM
I have a Kimber Custom Compact, Springfield Loaded and Mil-Spec, Para 12 LDA and P14. All of these have worked well for me but the Kimber amazes me as it will shoot with tuned Government Models. That is what made me vote Kimber. Regards, Richard:D

Blackadder
April 6, 2007, 06:03 PM
The only 1911 I have now is a Dan Wesson Bobtail Commander in 10mm. I had a Kimber Eclipse, and it was a pretty nice gun, but for the money I really have enjoyed my DW. I almost exclusively shoot HOT Double Tap 165gr., and have never had a problem.

They ALL make lemons, though. I've seen a fellow so frustrated with a Wilson Combat that he was ready to throw in the river, and (although suspect) heard rave reviews of the Taurus PT1911.

I like the Dan Wesson, but of those listed, I'd vote for Kimber.

Spartacus451
April 6, 2007, 06:06 PM
Springfield springfield springfield. Why bother with other guns that aren't 1911s? I have dealt with enough out of time firing pin safeties to last a lifetime.

Richard
April 6, 2007, 06:58 PM
Edmund, Lord Blackadder, I have a 10mm Commader and I agree it is the nicest 1911A1 I have ever owned. Like you I also voted Kimber. Regards, Richard:D

My 10mm Dan Wesson Patriot:
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid220/p90f92172c4f0b3c1725d61c953c42e1a/ebccd3eb.jpg

DomMega
April 6, 2007, 07:14 PM
Kimber's are great weapons (although my cousin's jams constantly, but I think it might be his aftermarket mags), but they're overpriced. They just appear to be super fancy to me which isn't what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a great, solid pistol that is going to work and fire accurately everytime I pull the trigger. I know 3 Kimber owners who have had problems firing their weapons at the range, especially at IDPA events we partake in. My cousin and another friend are constantly having problems with their Kimbers. I've shot the Kimber and I love the way it feels, and the bottomline is that I just shoot better with a 1911 than just about any other handgun out there, but I've had their guns jam up in my hands on more than one occasion, both being Kimber. I guess seeing two Kimbers belonging to two different people jam up in your hand on more than one occasion just kind of steers you in another direction when it comes time to purchase that 1911 you've always wanted. The friend in question uses only factory mags and keeps it meticulously clean, however it still jams on him. He could've got a lemon, but I'll take my chances elsewhere.

I got a great deal on my Para P14 and I love it (around $740 or so). It's a very heavy, solid, durable weapon that shoots great everytime with no hiccups or misfeeds, jams, etc. Para's also have a large power extractor that will rip pieces out of a casing being ejected before the gun will allow it to jam. Needless to say I haven't had one jam up yet. And the accuracy! The accuracy on that weapon is fantastic, I hit absolutely everything I aim for at the steel target range and IDPA. I love my Para and I'll always hold onto it. I took a long time researching 1911's when I purchased it and it has done everything it said it was going to do. I finally cleaned it for the first time after putting 500+ rounds through it and it'll be ready for another IDPA match next weekend. You can't go wrong with a Para, you'll know what I mean when you pick one up and feel how solid they are. You can have a round explode in the chamber and because of how solid they are, I'd be surprised if you sustained any injury. Lastly, they also have their Light Double Action 1911's that are chambered for 9mm as well as the .45ACP round which many swat teams are starting to adopt. The 9mm LDA holds about 19 rounds or so if I remember correctly, it all comes down to what you're looking for. I've shot Kimbers, I've shot Springfield's and I OWN a Para but could afford any of the three at the time of purchase. Just my opinion.

Springfield's a great gun, but again, I think it's overpriced for what you get. In the grand scheme of things, Springfield is really trying to make its mark with sub compact and microcompact 1911's but I have a little philosophy about that. The 1911 was designed as a weapon with a 5" barrel, I don't think that design is going to function flawlessly when we start messing with the lengths of the guns and having to engineer 11 different parts within the gun to get it to the size we want. Springfield is the oldest name in American firearms, but that name has been repurchased just a few years back as the original Springfield-Armory went out of business and closed its doors back in the 1960's. It's great to have it back but its a new company. That being said, I love their weapons, I own an XD 40, but I just can't see spending that much money on some of their 1911's when Para does the exact same thing, often for less money. Their guns are extremely shootable and if you bought one I doubt you'd regret your purchase, however you might regret the amount you paid.

Wilson combat also makes a great 1911 and I've read countless articles praising them, however I know that isn't one of the retailers you're deciding between.

Ultimately, it comes down to what you want one for. Are you just purchasing a 1911 to purchase a 1911? Is it for match shooting? Is it for home defense?

BBsteel
April 6, 2007, 09:29 PM
WOW, thanks for the responses. I'm very new here and you guys have been great so far.

I'm basically purchasing the 1911 "just to purchase". I love the looks and feel of them all. I came close to a Springfield Loaded 1911 A1 today for $749 new. However, I opted for the H&K I was set to buy in the first place.


Next is something shiney, sleek looking, and willing tear up the red on the target range. What else than a 1911 to dress up the gun safe!

10-Ring
April 6, 2007, 09:32 PM
Of the 3, I prefer the Springfields -- personcally, I would buy a Colt ;)

BBsteel
April 6, 2007, 09:47 PM
I wish I would have include Colt in my poll. Sounds like a hell of gun.....must be the name!

sig228
April 6, 2007, 11:49 PM
Kimber. The 3" Ultra Carry is one of my favorite weapons. Period.

Still 2 Many Choices!?
April 6, 2007, 11:59 PM
Get the Colt...Oh wait that wasn't an option:scrutiny: :o !!
Get the Kimber and don't look back:) ...

PS-Did I mention Colt?

Still 2 Many Choices!?

possum
April 7, 2007, 12:15 AM
i voted kimber i haven't decided which kimber i am gonna get yet, either the tle ll, or the pro carry tle ll lg, or the covert, they are all sweet and i have nothing but great results with all the kimbers i pick up and shoot.

rollback88
April 7, 2007, 12:28 AM
Kimber Stainless Gold Match II - in the permanent collection. So perfect, it was hard for me to even change the grips :)

Springer GI Micro on the way - we'll see.

--jcd

Taurus 617 CCW
April 7, 2007, 12:46 AM
You are going to spend just as much on a Kimber as you would a Colt. They are both great guns but I don't consider them a "working man's gun." I started with a mil-spec springfield and have added to it what I wanted, saving quite a bit of money. I have about $550 in the gun total. No doubt the Kimber is a tighter gun, which contributes to better inherent accuracy, but I feel that the mil-spec tolerences lend to less parts fitting and better functioning under extreme conditions.

1911 guy
April 7, 2007, 08:26 AM
If you plan to leave the pistol "as-is" for ever, buy whichever floats your boat or you get enough of a deal on to make you happy. There are owners of all three brands here who swear that their brand is the best.

If, however, you think you might want to tinker with it later or send it to a 'smith for professional level tinkering, buy the Springfield. Kimber uses the Schwartz safety system, linked to the grip safety, and Para Ordnance uses the Series 80 system, linked to the trigger. Springfield uses a mainspring lock which is easy to remove and replace so it's basically a Pre-Series-80 (also called Series 70), parts are easier to come by (series 80 is easier than Schwartz) and several gunsmiths told me they'd rather work on a springer for upgrades due to the consistent quality of the frames and slides.

XavierBreath
April 7, 2007, 09:54 AM
Of the choices you presented, I would pick a Springfield.

Don't forget about Colt and S&W though. They make pretty good guns too.

Top_Notch
April 7, 2007, 10:32 AM
My suggestion would be to get the one closest to the original design or can be made as close to the original as easy as possible. No series 80, external extractors, firing pin safeties, etc...

Smoke
April 7, 2007, 10:48 AM
I own all three, like them all. The new Colts are nice and depending on the model may be less money than the others.

Smoke

MikeFF
April 7, 2007, 10:53 AM
Colt 70s series reproduction.

bigmedicine
April 8, 2007, 11:07 AM
Of any of the guns mentioned, go with any before going with a Kimber.

For the 3 specific manufacturers you listed, I think that Springfield makes a great gun. I am very familiar with Para and my only concern all along has been availability of parts specific to high capacity models when you are out in the boonies. You know that anybody will have standard 1911 parts, but not always para-specific parts. They are great guns, though - maybe nothing will ever break.

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