CZ82 why a C&R now?


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Flyboy73
April 6, 2007, 05:05 PM
I see that the CZ82 is a C&R gun now. Why the change? I don't think the gun is over 50 years old. More like 20 some odd years i believe. My order from AIM was placed yesterday. Had been looking at them for a while. Just curious as why it made the list.


Brion

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tinygnat219
April 6, 2007, 05:08 PM
I called them to ask about it and got a wierd answer, that it was the importer who receives the "ok" from the BATF and the importer will pass the "news" on. When I asked SOG about it, they still have it listed as Non-C&R, they stated that they hadn't heard anything about it. Nevertheless, I placed my order with AIM too. If they have something that says it's ok, it's good enough for me.

LiquidTension
April 6, 2007, 07:40 PM
I'm thinking about ordering one from AIM as well. They already have my C&R on file, I like CZs. Thing is, I just spent a TON of money on other gun related stuff and I have absolutely NO use for the thing. Sucks to have an addiction.

DMK
April 6, 2007, 07:44 PM
The gun doesn't have to be 50 years old. That's only one of the possible qualifications. Yugo SKS aren't 50 years old, neither are EG Makarovs.

It just has to be unique and collectible in the opinion of the BATF.

Flyboy73
April 6, 2007, 08:10 PM
I wouldn't think they would C&R a high cap pistol. Maybe because of the not so common 9mm Mak round?


Brion

GVMan
April 6, 2007, 09:11 PM
Sound like all of you know what your talking about but I haven't a clue. Please enlighten me, what is a C&R gun and what is AIM?

Thanks

Flyboy73
April 6, 2007, 10:48 PM
C&R is a Curio and relic firearm. We are taking about a Curio and relic federal firearms licience. BAsicely if you have a C&R FFL you can get guns classfied as C&R by the ATF shipped to your door. Also you can get discounts at places like midway USA, gun parts, etc.

AIM is AIM surplus www.aimsurplus.com a company that sells surplus firearms.

a C&R FFL is one of the best kept secerts around and is a great deal IMHO.

Brion

mrmeval
April 7, 2007, 01:00 AM
Relic determination is already spelled out as 50+ years old though getting particulars documented might be a good idea if there is any question of the guns history.

A Curio can be any firearm. The .44 Automag is now a Curio. If a gun maker goes completely out of business, has their factory bombed to non-existence, or the gun has not been made for some time you can get a ruling. You can get a ruling for _one specific gun_. If you had a modern gun owned by a President or a Rawk star you should be able to get it listed as a Curio with the submission of paperwork and waiting.

This list the ATF publishes is for Curios and Relics that this determination has been made otherwise a relic does not have to be specially listed if they are 50+ years old.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01apr20051500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2005/aprqtr/27cfr478.26.htm

Code of Federal Regulations]
[Title 27, Volume 2]
[Revised as of April 1, 2005]
From the U.S. Government Printing Office via GPO Access
[CITE: 27CFR478.26]

[Page 31]

TITLE 27--ALCOHOL, TOBACCO PRODUCTS, AND FIREARMS

CHAPTER II--BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO, FIREARMS, AND EXPLOSIVES,
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE

PART 478_COMMERCE IN FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION--Table of Contents

Subpart C_Administrative and Miscellaneous Provisions

Sec. 478.26 Curio and relic determination.

Any person who desires to obtain a determination whether a
particular firearm is a curio or relic shall submit a written request,
in duplicate, for a ruling thereon to the Director. Each such request
shall be executed under the penalties of perjury and shall contain a
complete and accurate description of the firearm, and such photographs,
diagrams, or drawings as may be necessary to enable the Director to make
a determination. The Director may require the submission of the firearm
for examination and evaluation. If the submission of the firearm is
impractical, the person requesting the determination shall so advise the
Director and designate the place where the firearm will be available for
examination and evaluation.

[T.D. ATF-270, 53 FR 10493, Mar. 31, 1988]

cbsbyte
April 18, 2007, 02:09 AM
Sounds odd that some places are selling them as C&R and others are not. Is there any offical ruling from the BATFE? Since, I would hate to order one under my C&R license, then have some ATF agents at my door asking questions or even having to return it because someone jumped the gun.

Firehand
April 25, 2007, 06:22 AM
Classic Arms says "WE HAVE A LETTER FROM BATF TECH BRANCH CONFIRMING THEIR C & R STATUS".

cbsbyte
April 25, 2007, 04:13 PM
Classic Arms says "WE HAVE A LETTER FROM BATF TECH BRANCH CONFIRMING THEIR C & R STATUS".

Is Classic arms a reputable dealer? I never heard of them before.

kentucky_smith
April 25, 2007, 04:16 PM
Yep, classic is great. Good guy to deal with. www.classicarms.us

cbsbyte
April 25, 2007, 04:18 PM
In that case I will have to give them some business.

Nomad, 2nd
April 25, 2007, 04:36 PM
Ordered a Excellent condition, Walnut K31 from Classic arms.
It is HORRIBLE, stock is banged up, finish is worn off, mag is rusty.:(
-My 'Shooter' from AIM is MUCH better.

They do not have any to replace it with, but I will get my money back.

Now I just need to find another..

elric
April 25, 2007, 05:23 PM
According to post #72 on this thread at the Falfiles, the curator of the West Point museum sent in a request to the ATF to consider it a C&R, and they approved it. There is a link to a PDF of the letter from the ATF in that post.

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=198481&pagenumber=2

NC-Mike
April 26, 2007, 01:01 AM
Never had nothing but good luck with Classic Arms myself. They are a reputable and reliable dealer in the C&R world.

MartinBrody
April 26, 2007, 01:13 AM
I don't know why they now consider it as a C&R, I am not registered with FAL Files so I can't view the PDF, but I don't see this gun listed on the BATFE C&R list or any of the updates. I know it is common knowledge that it is, but why wouldn't the BATFE list it anywhere, or am I not looking in the right place?

elric
April 26, 2007, 04:10 PM
Try this link for the PDF.

http://www.jmlivingston.com/CalGunsPics/CZ82.pdf

The list on the ATF site doesn't get updated very often. I'm sure once they put out their next update it will be on it.

tinygnat219
April 26, 2007, 10:05 PM
Many thanks for that link! I am printing out a copy for my records.

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