[CMichael]

What caliber guns did the agents have?

[themic]

i recall seeing desert eagles on them at one point, but i can't be sure it was the same gun in different scenes. if it IS desert eagle, I'm sure it was .50AE

[Andrew Wyatt]

they're desert eagles in .50 AE


there's a close up of the action stripping a round in the first one that clearly shows a rebated rimless round being stripped from the magazine.


they're quite obviously desert eagles.

[Kharn]

They are Desert Eagle .50s in the close-ups, and .357 where used with more distant shots for greater ammo capacity during firefights.

Kharn

[CMichael]

Thank you for the responses.

[Schuey2002]

There's a close up of the action stripping a round in the first one that clearly shows a rebated rimless round being stripped from the magazine.
http://www.tribute.addr.com/anime/gun.gif
:evil:

[TheMariner]

nice pic....

[Psssniper]

those agents mags hold what??

150 rounds?

must be pre-ban

[Zundfolge]

I have always enjoyed pointing out the flaws in Hollyweird movies regarding guns.

However, any and all complaints about firearms errors (especially about ammo capacity, ie the 150 rd. mags in the DEs) are pointless in the Matrix.

The agents in the Matrix are programs that are running along side the Matrix program and are not restrained by the "laws of physics" or "magazine capacity" subroutines.

:neener:

[Feanaro]

If they weren't subject to the rules of the Matrix then it would be much harder to fight them. I've never seen one fly, float or stop himself as he's flying away from a super-hero-punch(physics). Indeed if they were not bound by the rules then they should be able to make a dozen fists, move faster than the speed of light in a fight(I realize they do at times but I mean through the whole thing) and be anywhere they wanted to at once. If there were no rules for them to play by even Neo couldn't beat them.

They do jump all over the place and such but it is possible, though not for mere humans.

[c_yeager]

I almost posted a long rambling reply to this concerning my theories on the intricicies of the matrix. But, then i thought about it for a second and realized that we are discussing the inner workings and "rules" of a fictional universe represented in fictional medium (a MOVIE). And it just seems a little silly.

[cool45auto]

"there is no spoon"

:neener:

[Jack T.]

Judging by the recoil, I just assumend they were .22s

[Beav]

Apparently theres a rule that makes them lousy shots as well.

Regardless Revolution has some explaining to do.

[Pocket Pistol]

If they are in the Matrix and things are not what they seem then they can seem not to run out of ammo :)

It is a great movie but if you think about any of them to much you can blow them full of holes.

[gunsmith]

Residents of zion are more interested in raves
& orgies then learning to shoot.
They leave the defense of the world
to a few elites,no wonder they are losing the war!:rolleyes:

[PaladinX13]

Errr... well, if you were born in Zion (as the vast majority are), you've not nothing to do but eat, mate, and run around in a hot-n-sweaty cave all day... you can't plug into the Construct or the Matrix for lack of a plug. Those WITH plugs become fully proficient with a mere skill download, so "learning" would be a waste of time better spent on the little R&R those "elites" are allowed.

[gryphon]

Also, don't forget that a lot of the people in Zion were actually born the old fashion way, and not "created" by the machines for use as a Duracell.

They can't "hook up" to the machine and learn to do anything, even that is done the old fashion way.

[Beav]

Ok I need some answers on the whole duracell thing. All of this advanced technology and they choose humans for an energy source? And if all they need is energy from the humans why even have a Matrix? Does the Matrix somehow cause the humans to generate more energy?

[Flashpoint]

Beav,

Supposedly the matrix keeps their mind and will in subjection to their authority.

Did anyone notice that the plugs in Neo's arms and back that were removed in the Matrix has somehow found their way back in Reload, or did I miss something? I hope I missed something, I would hate to think the director would not over look something like that.

[Beav]

I understand what the Matrix does but how are humans a viable source of energy? And furthermore why not just put the humans in a coma if all they need is energy, no need for a Matrix no need to worry about mind and will.

[Flashpoint]

Beav,

What does the mind do in a coma? If it is dream what would they have to dream about since they would be in a coma since birth? If a mind is actively participating in activities then maybe the body will respond in creating more heat and power. Also if the Matrix were not created then there would be no movie to cause us to discuss how the matrix works.

[Beav]

But would it be enough power? Once again, how are humans viable energy sources? Also, the human body needs energy to create energy.

The people in Zion seem to be able to find alternate energy sources for their massive machines.

[PaladinX13]

To bring this back to shooting... is shooting skill intellectual knowledge, reflex, muscle memory, or talent? I mean, what exactly are you downloading when you gain shooting proficiency?

Apologetics for The Matrix (power plant issues and all- the 1st and 3rd essays):

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/memelist.html?m=6

Also (theories section and the FAQ):

http://theredpillproject.tripod.com/

[CMichael]

Actually what I don't understand is that once in the Matrix they can arm themseles what they want. So why handguns for agents?

Why not RPGs, helicopter gunships, missiles?

[Justin]

Ok I need some answers on the whole duracell thing. All of this advanced technology and they choose humans for an energy source? In the first movie, when Morpheus is explaining the whole thing to Neo, he points out that humans generate a certain amount of energy through body heat. That is then combined with a form of fusion to give the machines all the energy they need.

Did anyone notice that the plugs in Neo's arms and back that were removed in the Matrix has somehow found their way back in Reload, or did I miss something? I hope I missed something, I would hate to think the director would not over look something like that.The plugs are visible in the real world (that'd be the world of Zion and the Sentinels). They are not visible when you are jacked into the matrix because of residual self-image. It also explains why everyone has a rockin' hairdo inside the matrix, but something much simpler in the real world. So, real world: plugs, ratty clothes, and bad haircuts. Jacked into the matrix: no plugs, black leather dusters, shades, and cool haircuts.

Most good sci-fi is based on the idea of one 'gimme.' In other words, the writers get one far-out concept on which to build an entire fictional world. That gimme for The Matrix is that humanity has been enslaved to be used as a source of energy.

[AnchorYanker23]

I distincly remember the plugs being removed in the real world in the first movie, Justin. I remember the scene, because Neo was lying on his stomach as Trinity was cutting them out of him. I guess it was just a goof.

[TheMariner]

Ok, number one... just about every scene of shooting, the agents reload their weapons...

Numebr two, a handgun is more practical and easier to explain away to the plugged in masses than gunships and what not. besides, up until now, what would have been the point? No human could get away...

[Kharn]

I think one explanation for the plugs was that they were just closing the holes up, and not removing them, so he didnt leak like a sieve. I doubt the machines would invest in slide-checks/one-way-valves when they didnt have to, and why would the humans remove the plugs, that would be a complicated procedure depending on what they're linked to.

[Simpsons Comic Book Store Guy voice]Scene 11 on the Matrix DVD, at 36:30 in, a wrench/tool and a hemostat (is that the right name?) are showed adjusting one of the plugs on Neo's back (with bloody gauze covering other ports further up his spine), a few seconds later, his arms are shown with the plugs present and then again when Neo wakes up in his room and he removes the IV from his left arm. [/Simpsons Comic Book Store Guy voice]

Kharn