Stop me before I buy a Taurus... Must resist...


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mrcpu
April 8, 2007, 03:58 AM
I have a couple 1911's, really like 'em. I have been eyeballing an XD in 9, or an M&P in 9. The M&P was out of the running until I found out how to change the backstrap, and now, it fits really, really, really good.

I was standing out the counter, XD and M&P out, playing away, when I look down and there's a stack of black taurus boxes sitting there, like 20 or 30 of them, and the dealer was busy entering them in "the book". (Whatever that means).

He didn't have time to run-down what was in the pile, so I left.

Went back today, and there was this 24/7 pro in 9 sitting there, and so I asked to look at it. And I have to say, it felt Good. That rubber grippy stuff on the front, ooh la la...

And so I am in a quandary. Rational thought says get the XD, proven. If not the XD, then the M&P, fits great, reputable company, will probably be proven. But the grip on that taurus... pushes all rational thought from my brain.

SO I have decided aversion therapy is needed. I need horror storiese of Taurus 24/7 Pro's blowing up, jamming, and basically being the worst POS's, and I will print them and read them out looud at the store while holding it, and hopefully my fingers will stop getting all tingly...

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Texfire
April 8, 2007, 06:52 AM
Life is too short, get what makes your fingers itch. :)

Worst case you can be the one to tell us that it's a piece of junk and you'll return it for a refund, best case you can be the new acolyte of the church of 24/7. ;)

Tex

ps- Sorry, you wanted me to talk you out of it? Don't. Stop. Resist.

LoadedDrum
April 8, 2007, 07:18 AM
I have a 24/7 pro long slide 9mm and I really like it. That said you can't go wrong with the XD and mag availability is better and they are cheaper too.

ARTiger
April 8, 2007, 07:51 AM
1. M&P
2. XD
3. Long list of other guns
4. 24/7

axeman_g
April 8, 2007, 09:22 AM
different gun.

I have an original series PT92, SA cocked and locked safety, no decock. I bought the gun in 89, and it is still great. Needs new nights though. Anyway, I was out shopping the other day and picked up the new Taurus PT1911. I am far from a 1911 expert, but it stacked up very nice for the $500 asking price. Nice build quality, not perfect but good and comparable. GREAT features for the price and the trigger was good, not great but good+. About like a Springer's trigger.

I am now trying to resist.

4fingermick
April 8, 2007, 09:44 AM
You wanna be talked out of buying a gun:confused: ? Boy! You are talking to the wrong people :D We will not only NOT talk you out of it, but will probably try and get ou into a more expensive better quality piece:evil: .

varoadking
April 8, 2007, 09:53 AM
We...will probably try and get you into a more expensive better quality piece.

We can try...

Sigdude
April 8, 2007, 10:10 AM
save your lunch,beer,and entertainment money and by an overpriced,[ BUT WORTH IT ! ], Sig.
You won't regret buying the highest quility gun.Remember,this is something that you may be defending your life with.And isn't your life worth it !;)

Walkalong
April 8, 2007, 10:19 AM
Well, mrcpu, I am not going to try to talk you out of it. Get it. If you have any trouble with the lockable hammer swap it out with a good trigger group. I don't care for the feel of the 9 and .40 24/7's, but I love the way the 24/7 .45 feels.:)

EGW (http://egw-guns.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=34_41&products_id=159) - Theres is nice
Cylinder & Slide (https://shop.cylinder-slide.com/ccp51/cgi-bin/cp-app.pl?usr=51F5567932&rnd=9492492&rrc=N&affl=&cip=&act=&aff=&pg=prod&ref=411&cat=43&catstr=HOME:6:43) - Check them all out.

wally
April 8, 2007, 10:24 AM
I've both the XD9 and the 24/7-PRO. I'd say overall I like the XD9 a bit better but XDs now are costing $100+ more than the 24/7, I don't think they are that much better.

At CDNN Taurus 24/7 mags will cost you $29.99, XD mags run $19.99-29.99 depending on the model.

The M&P models seem to be splitting the difference is price around here. CDNN lists M&P mags for $34.99.

I suggest trying to shoot a sample of each if possible before buying as what feels best in the store in not necessarily what shoots the best for you. Beretta/Taurus 92 is my poster child for this, they feel awkward in my hand but are probably the non-1911 I shoot the best (single action).

--wally.

PX15
April 8, 2007, 11:01 AM
If you wish a reason to NOT buy a Taurus check out the various firearm forums and see how many complaints you find about Tauri's crappy customer service...

From what I read the "lifetime warranty" means you can send your firearm back for free repair forever, but they might keep it for the rest of YOUR life.. Or, send it back in the same condition you sent it IN to be fixed.

In my personal experience the worst firearms customer service I've ever had a problem with was Beretta... Yikes they were bad. Consequently I pass on Beretta's now and forevermore.

Just reading the nightmares of folks who tried to get the "lifetime warranty" work done from Taurus reminds me of Beretta, and that "ain't" good..

But.

Your Taurus firearm might never need repair. Every firearms manufacturer has a small percentage of lemons, just cross your fingers you don't get one of them.. :D

I was interested in the new 1911 released recently, but I just don't want to deal with another crappy customer service company so I passed.

But, it's your money and time, buy what you want, and I wish you well..


J. Pomeroy

GRIZ22
April 8, 2007, 04:42 PM
I have 5 guns made by Taurus bought new between 1988 and 2007. The only problems I had were:

1. 669- after about 10 years I had the rear sight come off because the screw (similar to SW sights) holding it to the topstrap came loose while blowing off magnums. Sent to Taurus, turnaround time 10 days.

2. 9mm with adjustable sights-rar sight leaf broke after about 12 years (I carried this on duty for about 6 years until policy changed). Sent to Taurus and back in 2 weeks.

I've seen problems with new Glocks, Sigs, H&Ks, S&W, Colts, Springfields, etc. Never saw a bad Ruger and only know of one that had to be sent for service. Mag release spring broke and I finished qualifying by holding the mag in with my weak hand. Turnaround was sent Monday Fedx o'nite back Wednesday AM! That's hard to beat! Along with Taurus they are all good. Contrary to what some say Taurus hasn't built up business as they have by selling junk. Buy what you like.

mrcpu
April 8, 2007, 04:42 PM
Can't do sig. I know they're great guns, but they just look stupid to me. I think all the guns that taper down to the barrel look dumb. CZ, beretta M9, it's like they started out with a real gun, then by the time the bullet exits the barrel, it's been wussified...

I think that's why I like the 1911's. Even a 1911 in 22 looks manly from the backstrap to the end of the barrel... :)

The 24/7 Pro's got that rail up front. Keeps it looking manly.

My local dealer is fairly particular about what he stocks, he tries to stay away from troublesome brands, and he says he doesnt' get much griping at all about the taurus. So it could just be the good ones are all out shooting, and the broken ones bitching. Hard to say. I must ponder.

KINGMAX
April 8, 2007, 04:49 PM
I have owned 3 Tarus pistols and one rifle.

a). Tarus PT92 in 9mm (cannot remember the first jam)
b). Tarus 85
c). Tarus 5-shot 38 spl. hammerless type (my Dad took it for his CCW)
d). Tarus Lighting Rifle - 14 shot pump in .45 Long Colt (use for SASS)

Have had no problem w/ any of them.

Shipwreck
April 8, 2007, 07:07 PM
I think it was Glocktalk that someone posted this...

Might wanna read this:

http://members.aol.com/Namerakis/Taurus_Repair.htm

Also, I have read many, many similar comments on other forums as well. I will never buy another Taurus firearm...

Sigdude
April 8, 2007, 09:03 PM
and read the Taurus postings from actual owners.
They either love them,[ 5 stars ],or they loath them ,[ 1 star ].
Just about all of them do say that their Customer Service Department should be exiled to a deep,deep,and very,very,cold Gulag cocentration camp somewhere in Siberia.:barf:

Get a Ruger P345 in Stainless with no safety but with the decocker only.
$440.:cool:

RH822
April 8, 2007, 09:09 PM
Sorry, can't talk you out of it. I own 5 Taurus handguns and have never had a single problem with any of them, including my 24/7 .40 cal that I carry quite often. Very accurate and reliable.

RH

Sigdude
April 8, 2007, 09:10 PM
My Sig P220 st does NOT taper down toward the end of the barrel.
I.M.H.O.,the P220 is sheer perfection.
[ and the price reflects this too ! ] ;)

10-Ring
April 8, 2007, 09:16 PM
I'm not a Taurus fan. I've owned one of their wheelguns for years & I've shot 10000's of rounds through it but, it has the grittiest, heaviest, down right nastiest tirgger in my collection! Plus, the sights are tiny & leave ALOT to be desired :rolleyes:
If it were me, I'd get a G19 & start getting dirty -- of your choices, I guess I'd get the M&P ;)

glove
April 9, 2007, 02:44 AM
Buy it you will like it.:)
I have the 24/7 .40 cal. and the PT-140 Mil. Pro. and like them both.:)
Dave Z

Ala Dan
April 9, 2007, 04:33 AM
Don't step over an XD too buy a 24/7~! ;)

Use your own judgement but I say rent the XD, M&P, and the 24/7
and see what works best for you; as looks can be deceiving. :D

fattsgalore
April 9, 2007, 06:09 AM
Don't fear the Taurus.

If your eyeing the 24/7 most people say go with the 40. The 45 has had issues and the 9mm isn't bad but have read a few post but nothing about the 40.
Now when it comes to Taurus look into the PT92 literally the best Taurus, not opinion, ask anyone who's owned one or two. That thing would shoot rocks if you could chamber them.(exaggeration, but heck I believe it)

I really like Taurus, but I'm not in love with there poly guns they need a bit more refinement.

jeepmor
April 9, 2007, 06:27 AM
I dig the two milpros I have. They have both outperformed many higher dollar more coveted guns like Kimber and a Sig without any issues when shooting factory ammo. I've had some weak action cycles on some target handloads, but they were so soft recoiling the brass landed on your feet. Not the guns fault.

But Taurus does have a lousy reputation for customer service. I just don't think I'll ever need it for these two pistols, the PT145 and PT111.

Regardless, I bought these first thinking they be a good way to get my feet wet into the handgun hobby and I've seen them outperform the other brands so well that I'm becoming loyal to them and considering their 1911 simply because of price point and my experience with these two milpros.

If you are that bent against Taurus simply for price point, then you are just being a snob about it. No biggie, the gunshop wants you to buy a more expensive gun anyway.:rolleyes:

galatins220
April 9, 2007, 06:07 PM
I am also looking for an excuse to NOT buy a taurus... The reviews are good. All I hear are complaints about customer service. Its either This or a Ruger... Who knows!:banghead:

It looks nice, definatly affordable and it just has the word good deal written all over it.

possum
April 9, 2007, 07:29 PM
the videos on taurus usa by Dick metcalf has a lot of great things to say about them, i would go xd but i think the taurus andguns are nice and are a great value overall.

KINGMAX
April 9, 2007, 07:32 PM
I understand that TARUS has a Liftime Warrenty. What does that mean?

dairycreek
April 9, 2007, 07:59 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I understand that TARUS has a Liftime Warrenty. What does that mean?

Over the years I have bought 6 Taurus revos NIB and had to return three of them to the factory to get the things made "right"! In each case it literally took me months to get Taurus to do what it promised to do. The Lifetime Warranty? It means that it takes a lifetime to get Taurus to follow through. Simply the worst customer service I have ever encountered. No more Taurus products for me. Life (my life) is just too doggone short.:cuss:

DomMega
April 9, 2007, 08:04 PM
I don't own a Taurus but if I were going to own one I can pretty much say it would be a 24/7. I like the fact that if the gun misfires the firing pin will attempt to fire the same cartridge, giving the shooter a second chance of hitting the primer, or something to that extent. I also like how you can lock the slide and such. From what I read about it last year its suppose to be a pretty fail safe piece and I haven't heard any negatives about it. Taurus isn't a high end brand, its just a gun company in Brazil, but I've had my eyes on that 24/7 for a while. Too bad its illegal to own in California. God I hate this state.

MudCamper
April 9, 2007, 11:36 PM
I've owned a PT92 for years. Put thousands of rounds though it. Some people have horror stories. Others have success. Same as any manufacturer. But you can't go wrong with Taurus IMO. I'll quote their marketing: "Affordable Quality."

I saw the 24/7s in my local shop just the other day. Man was it comfortable in my hand. Nice. But I've got my eyes set on it's little cousin, the PT145.

Ifishsum
April 9, 2007, 11:55 PM
I've had a PT140 mil-pro for almost a year and it hasn't failed yet, though I only have about 1000 rounds through it. It's my everyday carry gun and my 4th Taurus handgun. I did have a problem with a revolver and had to send it back - their customer service over the phone was not helpful but I sent it in and got it back in 22 days door to door, fixed right. I don't think you'd be disappointed, either.

FWIW...

MPanova
April 10, 2007, 02:18 AM
Click on these links it should help you out some :D

http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-247tv.cfm

http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-corporate-video.cfm


I own 2 of the 45's and love them! I carry one everyday.

Heres a little eye candy from the range. 12 shots at 14 yards

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/gallery/122_15_01_07_5_34_12.jpg

spyderdude
April 10, 2007, 03:51 AM
Resistance is futile!:D

jlh26oo
April 10, 2007, 04:34 AM
So Mike- is that outshooting your pt1911? One contiguous hole at 14 yards is pretty good!


(video was creepy- like what you watch in an employment orientation or something)

MPanova
April 10, 2007, 04:59 AM
I would say they are pretty close to the same. I shoot the 24/7 better because it fits my hand like a glove.

jlh26oo
April 10, 2007, 05:34 AM
Nice.

So let me know if you ever want to hit PSC with me one morning- because now you have me really interested.

BoneDigger
April 10, 2007, 09:43 AM
Sorry, but I can't talk you out of a 24/7, as I think they are good guns. I would not let the customer service issue bother me. I have a Mil Pro PT145 and I love it. Never a problem. I also used to have a M605 .357 and never had a problem with it. So, my two Taurii have been good. I've never really had to deal with CS.

Here's how I see it... The warranty is for the lifetime of the gun (except the finish, which is one year), so if it ever malfunctions I can send it back to Taurus. MY Taurus firearms are not my only carry guns, and so, if Taurus keeps it for a month or two, so what? I'll eventually get it back and it'll work fine.

But, Taurus sells a LOT of pistols and so it doesn't surprise me that there is some negative feedback on the brand. In fact, I read negative comments about just about every manufacturer, with the possible exception of Ruger. Yes, even Glocks and XDs have their issues. And, Lord forbid you do a search on Kimber and Springfield 1911s! You'll be reading for a while about all of the issues.

But, you have to weed through the "I hear that..." or "My friend had..." or the "My fifteenth cousing on my mom's side had a..." problems that you read. Take the word of people who either have, or have had, Taurus guns.

Also, consider visiting the www.Taurusarmed.net forum and read some information there. Either way, I think the 24/7 is a good gun, and I highly recommend it. If it fits your hands, and your budget, buy it.

Todd

Leedavisone
April 11, 2007, 11:24 PM
Handguns are just like pickup trucks and pocket knives... everybody has a strong opinion. If you ask, "what is wrong with Chevy's", you will get a firestorm of complaints from Ford owners... many who have never even sat in a Chevy. Taurus handguns are very fine. The price is right. I have a PT 145 Mil-Pro with 22,000 rounds through it, without a single problem. I have a Glock that jammed on the second mag. I shall not talk about my bla*x#ap Kimber. A Colt that never even made it through a magazine, and another Colt that My father has had for 55 years without a problem (and many thousands of rounds). It is all a crap-shoot... so don't be swayed by the doom-sayers. If it feels good, get it! (I am currently thinking of a CZ 75B 9mm). After all... it will at least make you better informed. My latest buy is a 1911 WW1 Repro Colt. I have heard all kinds of negative things about it from people on THR, but I tend to ignore the mean comments. I will shoot it this weekend, even though I wanted to save it as unfired... I just cannot resist shooting such a beauty. I currently have 3 trucks... a Ford Ranger, a GMC dually, and a Dodge dually. Don't get me started on which is better... this could get nasty.

"Fortunately, I always keep my feathers numbered" -Foghorn Leghorn

hershey
April 12, 2007, 10:39 AM
i carry a 24/7 in 45, my wife a pt140 pro. my 5 gallon bucket of brass is 4" deep from them two guns. still no failures of any type.

kellyj00
April 12, 2007, 01:12 PM
I've got the 9mm XD in 4". It's a good gun, but I mostly bought it because it's a Springfield.

I didn't even consider the 24/7, mainly because I always seem to buy guns on impulse.

bluedsteel
April 12, 2007, 10:38 PM
If you buy the Taurus, any Taurus, you will spend the rest of your life apologizing, explaining, and justifying it.

When you own a Smith, Colt, SIG, or like weapon, nothing further needs to be said. These guns speak for themselves.



bluedsteel

ecureed
April 13, 2007, 10:49 PM
If you buy the Taurus, any Taurus, you will spend the rest of your life apologizing, explaining, and justifying it.

I will never apologize, or try to explain away, or feel the need to justify having purchased my Taurus PT111 Pro. I love this little pistol, it is accurate, reliable, wonderfully ergonomic and well built. So, what further needs to be said about my choice to own a Taurus?

kansas45
April 14, 2007, 09:09 AM
I own a Taurus PT1911 & a Tracker Revolver in 45 ACP. They are both very fine firearms. I'm not afraid to buy another Taurus & will get S/S PT when I can find one.

.357 magnum
April 14, 2007, 10:00 AM
Ok I am here to defend the Taurus 24/7. I own two .40 cal and have never had a failure of any type. I have thousands of rounds through both of them. I have two Springfield XD .45acp, same story-never a failure of any kind. If the Taurus fits your hand, buy it, you will never regret it! They are very well made handguns with features you usually find in more expensive guns. There is none of this break in period crap that other guns even advertise. They are totally reliable and functional right out of the box. You will really enjoy the Taurus 24/7. Take Care, have a good weekend!

The best to you and Yours!

Frank

http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-247tv.cfm

http://www.taurususa.com/video/taurus-corporate-video.cfm

PS-MPanova-Really like your 24/7 .45acp-Excellent shooting!!

melikesguns
April 14, 2007, 08:38 PM
I have two Taurus guns, and have owned a PT140, I had to send the 85 back right out of the box. The cylinder would not turn when the hammer was pulled back. It took them 5 weeks, and 4 calls from me to get it back. The sheet said the cylinder was replaced, but I do not think they did. There Customer Service is horrible, It is like the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing, and the left is jerking off instead of fixing guns!!

Anyhow, I love my PT145, it was between it and the new XD45 compact, but the $200 price difference made that decision easier!!

Keeterbird
April 14, 2007, 10:23 PM
I have heard many of the horror stories. I have a 24/7 pro 40sw. Have put some thousand rounds, 500 wolf rounds through it. Never missed once. I have not had any trouble with the customer service, simply because I haven't had to use it at all. Go for it!!! I especially like the grip, one of the best I have had.

Archer1945
April 15, 2007, 01:51 AM
Go with what feels best in your hand. I happen to have an XD45 Compact which I really like, however I shot a SIG P220 which I liked just as well, it just happened there is a couple hundred dollars difference in price and the XD is a double stack just barely wider than the SIG.

While I don't have a Taurus semi-auto I have handled many of them and like the feel of all of them, just don't like the way some of them look but looks have nothing to do with shootability. I do have a Taurus revolver, a model 441, 44SP with a 6" barrel which I REALLY like. Just wish I'd gotten it with the 4" barrel instead of the 6" because a 4" would make a nice CCW.

Don't pay much attention to the complaints you read on most forums. I learned long ago it is the person with problems who makes the most noise, and you very seldom hear from those with no problems. Even when there is a thread on a forum where the pros far outway the cons for some reason people pay more attention to the complainers. If Sigs, Glocks, Colts, Springers, XDs, Kimbers, etc. were as bad as some people make them out to be none of these companies would still be in business. As for customer service most companies seem to go in cycles. It wasn't too many years ago when Taurus CR was some of the best in the business but 'heaven help you' if you had to deal with S&W.

What it all boils down to is you have to listen to what people say weigh the pros/cons, decide if a complaint is really due to the customer or the factory, then make up your own mind. If the gun feels good in your hand and is within your budget buy it. If it turns out you don't like it you can always trade it on something else or sell it. If you have problems and like the gun then you find out for yourself what the mfg's CR is like.

JMHO

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