Can I get the FBI to destroy my file?


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PeteRR
April 9, 2007, 02:57 AM
Because I lived in NJ and wanted to own a firearm, I've been fingerprinted 3 separate times in my life and each time they were submitted to the Feds to do a full background check on me. Now that I've moved out of Jersey, and I've never been charged or arrested for any crime, what are the chances I can get Melvin Purvis' finest to destroy my file?

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Car Knocker
April 9, 2007, 03:12 AM
The proverbial snowball in Hell.

nemoaz
April 9, 2007, 03:21 AM
ASFAIK, your prints aren't "on file" with the FBI. Numerous print cards are submitted to the FBI, latent prints, alien application or administrative detentions, employment matters, background checks etc, but only "arrest" or "conviction" cards are catalogued and assigned an FBI#.

Sleep tight and don't worry about. You aren't committing crimes anyway, are you?

NJ is more of a concern than the feds IMO. If anyone has retained the prints, it's them.

PeteRR
April 9, 2007, 04:21 AM
But in order to run a background check wouldn't they had to have digitized them? And doesn't that mean they are in the system with my name attached?

As for committing crimes, I'm still young enough to change careers. :p

General Geoff
April 9, 2007, 04:31 AM
It'd be easier to change your prints. Heat up a skillet on your stovetop by setting the burner to High. Place both hands on the skillet, taking care to make sure your fingertips and thumbtips press firmly against the metal where the prints are. Hold for 20 seconds. Voila, you have now permanently changed your fingerprints.


Keep in mind, though, this process is exceedingly painful.



edit; take this advice with a grain of salt too, because I haven't personally tried it. I'm doing a bit of research right now to see if it actually works. :D



edit again; it looks like it's a bit harder to do than I thought, but not impossible. Here's a step-by-step how-to:
http://www.totse.com/en/bad_ideas/scams_and_rip_offs/prints.html

Rustynuts
April 9, 2007, 08:01 AM
When you get a record expunged, does the FBI have to delete it's copy too, or just the State & Locals?

Lone_Gunman
April 9, 2007, 08:19 AM
I don't believe the government ever destroys information intentionally. If you submitted your fingerprints, I would assume you are now part of the system.

MEH
April 9, 2007, 08:48 AM
edit again; it looks like it's a bit harder to do than I thought, but not impossible. Here's a step-by-step how-to:
http://www.totse.com/en/bad_ideas/sc...fs/prints.html

:scrutiny: :what: :eek: Ouch, that would hurt!

MilsurpShooter
April 9, 2007, 10:28 AM
Ever see the movie Seven? Think he cut the pads of his fingers off every year or so no?

LAR-15
April 9, 2007, 11:16 AM
Why does the FBI need your fingerprints?

PeteRR
April 9, 2007, 11:23 AM
Why does the FBI need your fingerprints?
NJ fingerprints you as part of their process to issue a NJ Firearms I.D. card. Without one you can't buy a new firearm.

DDrake
April 9, 2007, 11:36 AM
I don't believe the government ever destroys information intentionally. If you submitted your fingerprints, I would assume you are now part of the system.


They do if the information can be seen as harmful to you, and false. For example, if you been wrongly accused of something horrible (like rape) and there is an arrest warrent on file, you can get it destoryed. The reason is because a 3rd party could find it, and it could threaten your ability to get a job.





As we all know, the more "secret" and "secure" information is in the USA, the more people know about it.

EricTheBarbarian
April 9, 2007, 12:12 PM
they might tell you they dont keep them but im sure they do, just like they dont register guns but still magically trace them to people. no chance of getting them destroyed whether they tell you they did or not. the only time they dont keep paperwork is when you need them to have something. theyll loose it everytime then.

Sergeant Bob
April 9, 2007, 12:29 PM
Can I get the FBI to destroy my file?
Doubtful but, I'll bet it would be easy to get them to destroy your house and life.

Tokugawa
April 9, 2007, 12:57 PM
I will tell you this- I have broken my leg and seen the bones sticking out. I have had concussions, broken pelvis, crushed vertebra , and third degree burns on my face. etc etc- the above is to show I have a standard of comparison
YOU DO NOT want to cut off your finger pads- trust me, it REALLY hurts! And no, it was not on purpose! :)

Trebor
April 9, 2007, 01:39 PM
You can file a FOIA request to get a copy of your FBI file, if any, to see if they actually have a "file" on you. Don't be surprised if the search comes back negative. It's likely they just ran your prints through comparision, reported the results, and then deleted the info.

Run the FOIA request and see what comes back. If they did retain any info or create a file, you'd have to show that it was illegal for them to do so in order to get them to destroy it. Not likely to happen.

ChestyP
April 9, 2007, 01:41 PM
It was my understanding when working as a state patrol dispatcher that the FBI maintains three separate fingerprint indices (indexes): criminal, military and civil. Criminal and military are pretty obvious. Civil includes everything from resident aliens to civilian security clearance holders to soccer coaches to school bus drivers to all law enforcement officers... and everyone in between. To include CCW applicants.

AFAIK, the FBI does not conduct "background investigations" for state-issued CCWs. The purpose of the fingerprints is for identity confirmation, to make sure you're not some wanted serial killer or somesuch. The issuing agency, or a state-level agency, does the BI based on the confirmed identity. Criminal records are filed by name and place/date of birth, not by fingerprints.

Soybomb
April 9, 2007, 07:14 PM
You aren't committing crimes anyway, are you?Some words are always chilling.:D

jnojr
April 9, 2007, 07:21 PM
Can I get the FBI to destroy my file?

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ArfinGreebly
April 9, 2007, 07:31 PM
You aren't committing crimes anyway, are you?

You only THINK you're not committing crimes.

Once we figure out what new rules will make you into a criminal, we'll fix that for you.

Kimber1911_06238
April 9, 2007, 07:43 PM
don't count on it

xd45gaper
April 9, 2007, 09:20 PM
after reading all these posts, and from what i have always thought, from being fingerprinted threw out the years (not criminally) but i always thought they put them on file and you are part of a HUGE national data base with every one else including criminals. (maybe i watch to much NCIS and crime shows with my wife lol)

PirateJoe
April 9, 2007, 09:27 PM
edit again; it looks like it's a bit harder to do than I thought, but not impossible. Here's a step-by-step how-to:
http://www.totse.com/en/bad_ideas/sc...fs/prints.html

be careful what information you use from that site. None of it is fact or error checked. Burning off your fingerprints is a bad idea anyway (har de har har).

Frog48
April 10, 2007, 02:03 AM
Good luck with that. Once you're in the system, you're never getting out. Heck, in TX you gotta scan your fingerprints to get a drivers license.

Glockfan.45
April 10, 2007, 02:20 AM
TOTSE = Temple Of The Screaming Electron (I dont trust people who capitalize the words of and the BTW). If you think books like the "Anarchist Cook Book" and others are bunk then this site will provide you with hours of laughter. Having worked in EOD I can tell you that 98.9% of the "explosives mixtures" on this site are bunk and are likely to get you killed. The rest of is non-sense cooked up by 14 year olds with a future in car washing, and burger flipping such as "how to get revenge on your teacher", or "fun pranks to pull in public restrooms". Do not take to heart anything you read there. You cannot burn off your fingerprints, they will grow back. If you feel inclined to try burning or cutting them off please do the same to your testicles as well so that your seed will not infect future generations. We already have all the idiots the world needs.

:rant off:

The F.B.I will not destroy your prints upon request. Once you are in their searchable database you are there forever.

Liberal Gun Nut
April 10, 2007, 02:53 AM
There's only one way you can get them to do that. Contact your representatives in Congress and tell them to cut the FBI's funding in the next budget. Ideally cut it to zero. Get all of your friends (and their friends) to do the same, and only vote for representatives who are clear in their opposition to the FBI's existence. If enough poeple do that, and vote out of office any politiican who continues to fund them, then all of our FBI files will either be deleted or will crumble to dust.

In other words, no there is no way to get them to delete anything. We lost the cold war at home and it's too late to win the war now.

kb2iaw
April 10, 2007, 10:00 AM
If you are 45 years old ..or younger they have your footprints too ,they were taken at the hospital when you were born, it was supposed to be to prevent a mix up at the hospital maternity ward, However your birth cirtifacite (sp) says where you were born and the hosp. has records of that too , Dont worry about it if you are not planning a crime .

Dr. Dickie
April 10, 2007, 10:15 AM
Dont worry about it if you are not planning a crime .

Well, if you do, wear shoes! :neener:

dustind
April 11, 2007, 11:23 PM
www.roguesci.org is WAY better than Totse. It is basically a huge encyclopedia of information. Be careful though, they take the rules and code of conduct very seriously over there.

EricTheBarbarian
April 11, 2007, 11:31 PM
you cant tell me no one who works for the fbi is a member here. I find it even harder to believe someone from the fbi doesnt read these posts. why arent they typing an awnser?

Glockfan.45
April 12, 2007, 02:48 AM
www.roguesci.org is WAY better than Totse. It is basically a huge encyclopedia of information. Be careful though, they take the rules and code of conduct very seriously over there.


You ain't kidding about that. People think the moderation here is tough. I have seen people get banned for not capitalizing "I" as in "how do i make x amount of (insert substance here)". However grammar is everything when typing out a formula.

nemoaz
April 12, 2007, 03:08 AM
you cant tell me no one who works for the fbi is a member here. I find it even harder to believe someone from the fbi doesnt read these posts. why arent they typing an awnser?

I think I can answer this. Because if someone who did know the intricacies of the system posted here, you would ignore him and instead listen to paranoid BS about the FBI having every set of employment fingerprints and even footprints on file.

EricTheBarbarian
April 12, 2007, 04:27 AM
I think I can answer this. Because if someone who did know the intricacies of the system posted here, you would ignore him and instead listen to paranoid BS about the FBI having every set of employment fingerprints and even footprints on file.

well explain the black helicopters that keep flying past my apartment:neener:

pcosmar
April 12, 2007, 09:54 AM
Dont worry about it if you are not planning a crime .

A crime?
Like speaking out against the government?
Like having the wrong kind of friends?
Like owning a gun?
Going to the wrong church?

ProficientRifleman
April 12, 2007, 10:23 AM
Sleep tight and don't worry about. You aren't committing crimes anyway, are you?

Spoken like a true bureaucratic control freak.

This is the old "turn it around on 'em" technique. When you just don't want to address a person's concern, turn it around on them and make it seem like their concern is ridiculous (worthy of ridicule). When they say, in response..."Why no, I'm not doing anything wrong..."

The control freak the says, as a final word..."OK then!" End of discussion.

This, many times, leaves the person who asked the question bewildered and confused, not to mention frustrated. His question was NOT answered. But now he knows that if he asks it again, in honesty, only trying to get an answer, he will be ridiculed and called names until he shuts up. Or he will get dismissive laughter and labeled as "one of those..."

Congratulations NEMOAZ, you are polished in your technique, you should go far.

ProficientRifleman
April 12, 2007, 10:25 AM
We lost the cold war at home and it's too late to win the war now.

Liberal Gun Nut...You are correct, sir!

jeep-2
April 12, 2007, 10:35 AM
Would you really believe them if they told you they had distroyed you file-prints?? lol
If any Gov. employees told me it was dark out, I would look out a window anyway. not that i don't believe them.

.41Dave
April 12, 2007, 11:24 AM
I will tell you this- I have broken my leg and seen the bones sticking out. I have had concussions, broken pelvis, crushed vertebra , and third degree burns on my face. etc etc- the above is to show I have a standard of comparison
YOU DO NOT want to cut off your finger pads- trust me, it REALLY hurts! And no, it was not on purpose! :eek:

Tokugawa my friend, I am curious... Do you have like the most dangerous job on the planet or are you just really, really clumsy and/or unlucky?:)

Hanzerik
April 12, 2007, 11:53 AM
I wondered the same thing when I finally got an assignment out of NJ. But when I really thought about it, it wouldn't have mattered anyway. The Military finger-printed me, and also has my DNA on file, so it wouldn't matter if I had the prints that NJ took when I got my FID.

EDIT: And the whole removing of the finger pads...you don't want to do that. I had mine removed for about a month or so until the blisters went away and the skin grew back. (Motor Cycle accident while not wearing gloves) Slid across the pavement in the classic SuperMan position for about 20 feet. Removed skin on both hands, calf’s, and a hole in my hip down to the bone also. Not fun having a Military Doctor tell you to stop cussing at him while he is scrubbing your raw wounds with a stiff brush to get gravel out.

BAD_BOY_LG
April 18, 2007, 06:56 AM
The Goverment has 2 systems...Public & Intern... intern its all the info the gov has on you but only lawenforcement agencies can acces it, and yet some must have permissions...and public system is the system that anyone whos doing a background check on you cand see ur info. So anythink you send to the goverment it remains there...they collect everything even if ur not a criminal. As with the fingertips yes it works u cand destroy them some burn them with low acids,some burn them on the stove,others are cutting theyr fingertips etc. But its extremly painfull and it depends why ur doing it..if u have a criminal record and u think u can get rid of it by destroying ur fingertips...well it dosen't work that way...it will get u in more truble...why ? well the police allways has a backup plan to get u...if u destroy ur finger tips or change ur name...they have ur picture...Once u have a record...well it will remain there for the rest of ur life... so stay clean. I have a record too when i was a minor...i did some vadalism with my friends, i was young and stupid...i payd for it. at 18 they sayd my file was deleted...and it was true...the public couldn't see it...but at 19 i decided to apply for a private investigator permit...So i went at a police department and they sayd that i have a record in theyr database...but they gaved me a permit anyway because i didn't represent a menace and because i was a minor when i did the crime. Now im working for the gov. and still if i type my name in the database i can see my record...quite funny im a cop and im on the bad list too :) God is allways here...and he sure knows how to forget...Theyrs allways a 2nd chance in life...u might not know it or see it but its out there... Don't complicate ur life by doing stupid things...God allways forgets so don't give up. GOOD LUCK !

nemoaz
April 18, 2007, 10:30 AM
The Goverment has 2 systems...Public & Intern... intern its all the info the gov has on you but only lawenforcement agencies can acces it, and yet some must have permissions...and public system is the system that anyone whos doing a background check on you cand see ur info.

Ahhh. The SECRET OTHER system. So, how is it catalogued since the SECRET OTHER system does use FBI numbers? Just some really smart guy who memorizes the whirls?

Next time I submit prints, I'll remember to ask for a check of the SECRET OTHER system that contains everyone. Or maybe I should just be quiet about it. So they don't know I know. Something like 90% of fingerprints taken from crime scenes come back not on file, so they must be trying to hide the SECRET OTHER system from me or are just trying to hide the existence of a great conspiracy of CIA agents and UN commandos that are causing all the crime in this country.

Now I'm really afraid of the black helicopters. Luckily the Militia Intelligence network informed me of the truth.

Sharps-shooter
April 18, 2007, 02:44 PM
You could cut off both hands. that would solve the fingerprint thing. Then fake your death and take on a new identity.

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